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26 Aug 2016 10:28:37
Ed001 I don't expect everyone to agree about Hart, he does polarise debate. I also don't have an issue with your comments about peers, I know exactly where you are coming from about not saying bad things. I was quoting Buffon because I haven't seen him play up truly crap keepers and he has to my knowledge no cross over gains from praising Hart.

Positioning is an interesting one and I know what you mean about the quality of save being influenced. I've seen a lot of it all levels where the keeper makes what looks a spectacular (for the fans) save that would have been straight forward if their positioning was better. I've also seen at age levels people raving about the wrong keeper because they can't see that the better keeper was the one who didn't keep getting himself into a mess, that he had to do something spectacular to bail himself out of.

But then positioning also isn't about where they are for that one isolated second so it can be a lot harder to blame a keeper for being in a poor position for one shot if that is because of where he has had to be before that. Just my opinion but Hart gets his positioning decent more often than not - Mignolet for me is maybe break even (trying not to be unfair here) . Hence I don't agree with the view Hart is worse than him. Not least because he is still making those bail out saves when he is in the wrong place. My main point though was that what slack people cut a forward (he has to be there to miss and you only worry when he isn't there at all) they don't cut a goalkeeper - e. g. he may not get his positioning right but he is still making the saves, when you worry is when the positioning isn't great and the bail out saves aren't happening either. And I have no expectation other than people will now say that is totally different.

I don't expect to agree with people here about Hart, I'm not an England supporter so have no vested interest in him, I just don't rate him as low as the rest of you. It is opinion. I've said before he's on the lower fringes of the top group n the EPL and that is my opinion. In terms of what is available in the EPL Liverpool would struggle to find someone better available to buy. Personally I'm coming round more to the view that if you're buying below the top level of player experience in the EPL counts a lot considering how many players fail to settle. I also said I wouldn't suggest Liverpool should buy him unless Karius is totally crocked. I'd rather see Karius given the time to develop from what is a pretty good standing for a 21 year old. The key thing being people don't jump on his back over every mistake. I don't rate De Gea as highly as others but I do recognise he is in that top group and one reason he is there is because at the same age as Karius he had a manager who said he was going to persevere with him even though at times he was woeful.

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{Ed001's Note - I think you are missing the point, Hart concedes too many because his positioning is poor and he very rarely makes simple saves. When he does, then the media is full on about him being some kind of superstar for parrying a bunch of shots hit at him. He is average, yes better than Migs, but he is utter dross. Hart is not good enough for the Prem and has been very lucky to have the career he has, purely because he had great potential at one stage and is English.}


 

 

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26 Aug 2016 09:28:32
Was interesting to see about Teixeira that in spite of being on loan, in spite of not playing a full season with them the Brighton fans loved the guy. Considering most fans look at a player loaned in from EPL club and think he'd better be seriously special or else he must have been doing something right.

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26 Aug 2016 09:24:58
It does make me laugh hearing some of this.

He only looks good because the City defence is great. Yet when the City defence is shredded it is Hart's fault even though the evidence is right in front of people's eyes that he has stopped them from shipping double figures in those games.

He's over-rated because he is English. Yet every other thing people are slagging him off with involves the words English or England - he wouldn't get half the crap he gets if he wasn't English. By the way if you want to see over-rated look at the hype that surrounded Courtois and then look at his performances. Oddly he isn't English.

Ed001 this one is for you I'm afraid (normally I agree with what you say), the comment wasn't that his peers don't slag him off, it was that his peers rate him. I've referenced before that Buffon who has been one of the best keepers in the world rates him and says it.

Hart was rubbish at the Euros so he's rubbish generally. OK so who here is prepared to make themselves look foolish by pointing out that Neuer was rubbish at the Euros so he must be rubbish all his career as well.

Take a look at the games v Liverpool and Barcelona, that isn't someone who isn't even a good shot stopper. (Also look up what at one time was called the golden glove ratings for EPL keepers each year - oh sorry I forgot that is because City's defence is amazing) .

I have a vested interest in keepers that I will declare, my son is a keeper and has been since the age of 7 and over the last few years it has been an eye opener just what goes on. He has been exposed to some poor coaching and some top level coaching - which is pretty much the same for most keepers. The development of keepers in this country is rubbish not because of ability or of numbers or of the quality of the dedicated GK coaches but because the way the game is structured at under age level is biased massively in favour of outfield players, every time the keeper gets into a stage where he can dominate you'll see the goals get bigger, the pitch gets bigger etc. Do people on here know just how few coaches at the grass roots under12 levels actually let their keepers take goal kicks? How many of them do any work on the keeper coming for the ball? Great deal of FA. It isn't helped by the simple fact that the top levels in English football have no interest whatsoever in English keepers. The likes of Hart and Butland are absolute rarities and if you want to talk about achievements being an English goalkeeper and getting into the top 2 divisions of English football as a starter is a massive achievement since most clubs/ managers only want to sign foreign keepers. And the scouting process is hit and miss as well, I heard a top flight club academy GK coach say that they have kids sent into them, by their own people, who can't do the basic drills that are a keepers day job and were sent through because the club's scout saw them play once and make one good save. The development of keepers in this country, in spite of some very good coaches trying to sort it out, is woeful. For those two to make it to premiership level in that situation is way more achievement than most seem to realise.

If you want to criticise keepers for being poor on crosses do some research first. One, take a look at the bucket loads of footage that is out there of the top keepers in training - see how much you can find of dealing with crosses that involves more than just the spare keeper standing in their way and not interfering. All the time and effort that coaches put into having the defence man mark, zonal mark, mark this type of player, stand here etc see how much you can find where they do that, with all the buffeting and illegal stuff and have the keeper coming to claim it. By the way next time you're at a match and hear the keeper call for the ball, take a look at how many defenders actually respond by clearing the way for him - great deal of none because they're too busy thinking about the shirt pulling contest and the coach ripping them a new one for their man getting to the ball first etc. Watch what is done with keepers as a pre match warm up on crosses and that is pretty much what gets done generally. If you have a keeper who is averaging 70-30 or 80-20 on effectively dealing with crosses you have a really good keeper. To put that into context if your midfielder has a pass completion rate of 70% or 80% that is seen as a decent performance. If your keeper does anything less than 100% it is seen as him being crap. Think about what you accept in other players and then whether you accept the same standards from the keeper.

On which subject just going consistently onto the pitch in the most exposed position takes bigger cajones than most keyboard critics will ever have to find out whether or not they have. It takes more guts just to be on the pitch than most outfield players have to realise. Then add in the fans, don't forget your keeper spends half of every game in front of the away fans. And you would not believe the number of keepers I've heard saying they're glad of that to get away from the rubbish thrown at them by their own fans.

If you want to criticise Hart for something then be realistic, he isn't a good footballer, he is a goalkeeper. Liverpool were lucky to have 2 naturally great keepers in the past in Clemence and Grobelaar who were more interested in trying out being outfield players and were allowed by their coaches to do it. But if your day job is to underwrite insurance and you happen to use a computer as a small part of that, should you be expected to be a secretarial level typist? If your day job is to train to do the many things a keeper already has to focus on are you going to become a good sweeper? Then add some context that most centre backs are poor distributers. Seriously watch how many will only pass when there is a clear run to the man and the recipient is in masses of space. There is a reason why genuine top level keepers who can play as a true sweeper (i. e. be a passer not a hoofer) are rare. Hart is a poor distributer and as Jamie Carragher recently said he should have been working on that in the time since they knew who was coming in. But most of the flack being thrown at him here is poor. He is noticeably better than Mignolet and a lot of others around in the EPL. He also uses his size in a way that Mignolet, who is slightly taller, simply doesn't.

Now for the record, I don't think Liverpool should sign him.

Karius has been signed, he is an investment who is actually in the same position Hart was in, a guy who has developed to a good standard very early (check out his and Hart's age/ playing profiles) and the last thing we should be doing is not playing him because the club has signed a 29 year old highly experienced, highly successful international keeper. I also think if Liverpool do what other teams have done and invest in a young keeper and accept he will make mistakes, it could lead to a decade of having a top keeper. Don't stunt that.

I also believe that had Butland not got injured he would have 1. pushed Hart harder in the summer and 2. almost certainly have been brought in after the Wales game. Which would not have hurt either of them. But Hart would be a big step up from Mignolet.

One last comment because I made a comment about De Gea using his feet too much that was completely misunderstood. All keepers should be able to save with their feet when the occasion demands, that isn't what I'm referring to. What I'm talk about is a good keeper isn't still just sticking his foot out at pretty much anything close to his sides rather than looking to use his hands whenever possible. I've watched a lot of keepers over the past 4 years with my son, United have been lucky not to concede far more goals where he goes with his feet and misses (because it wasn't the right choice) or because you can't generate power by sticking your leg out just deflects the ball into the surrounding area opening up a rebound chance. Hence the reason I've heard full time GK coaches shouting at kids "oi De Gea use your hands".

Anyway sorry for the long rant but having had an insight into goalkeeping over the last few years (and more aspects/ levels of it than I've mentioned here) it really annoys me that people apply such double standards to how they rate players and are always quick to kick the keeper in spite of evidence in front of them of what is in front of the keeper.

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{Ed001's Note - sorry but if you are going to go with that nonsense about his peers, then you are wasting everyone's time with crap. I couldn't be arsed to read this, because anyone who thinks a guy with poor positioning, who constantly flaps at shots he should save easily, is any good, has not got a clue. Hart is an average goalie. Buffon has said nice things in the past about a lot of crap keepers, in fact I seen a quote recently, shown to me by a Belgian guy, about Migs which was talking up his quality. It is pointless to mention what their peers say about them, they are not in a position to make honest comments as they are very likely to work with them in the future and it can be awkward. Just ask Andy Townsend about how awkward things can be if you make non-complimentary remarks about a fellow pro you then have to deal with, either on your side or the opposing side, later. His ugly XI caused him a lot of issues during matches when he had to face his choices.}


 

 

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23 Aug 2016 18:12:24
All those disagreeing with the post by jkh1983 is that because you think Liverpool will or you hope the club will. The failure to sign one when there was less rush, more time and options should be a clue that there simply isn't an interest in solving the problem when there are more midfielders out there to be signed.

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21 Aug 2016 21:37:19
Interesting, so Palace sell a winger who is good to buy an unproven one - sounds like they're doing as well as us.

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26 Aug 2016 10:06:10
I'd find it interesting to know how many managers ever succeed when they come in with that "I play football this way, my teams play this way" mentality and how many more or less succeed who look at what they have available to them first and build their team around playing that way. For me (as an impartial obvserver on both counts) it was interesting to watch that Leicester knew exactly how to use a man with pace and finishing ability and England, with the same man, couldn't get anything even decent out of him and looking at the opposition I don't buy that it was the level of opposition that changed. Just my opinion but the must find space for big name player caused England to fail whereas must gel as a team is why Leicester worked.

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26 Aug 2016 09:58:41
The bit I don't get is how many people want to play wing backs as part of a back 4, using wing backs who can't really defend; when that only really seems to work when you have 3 at the back and the wing backs playing slightly further forward with defensive responsibilities higher up the pitch. Surely the part of scoring more than the opposition is an equation with 2 sides, you score more, they score less, rather than the simplistic Keegan ball view of just slugging it out and trying to have 1 more goal at the end.

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26 Aug 2016 09:51:24
Klopp has already pointed out that to score the goals he did he couldn't have been out on the wing.

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26 Aug 2016 09:48:26
His lack of footballing skills puts him down according to the manager and he clearly is getting the final say. Latest reports say Hart would take a pay cut to go to Liverpool - suspect that could well be his agent fishing. Realistically he is local enough, knows a fair number of the players quite well, seem to remember a comment one time he used to travel with Stevie G to England meets (if that is right would be funny to know who was trying to convince who to move on those drives), it would make sense for him. Makes no sense for us unless Karius is crocked for major time and even then only as a short term until Karius back up and running. Don't buy someone aged 21 who is already playing at the higher levels and then block him with someone aged 29 because they're very experienced and available. (And I'm one of the few who rates Hart as a decent top level keeper) . He will struggle to find a club either top of EPL (all have good keepers currently) or relatively local in EPL that would buy him. The price tag, considering what City have just paid for someone they rate as being better, is laughable as well. Based on their own treatment of him City shouldn't seriously expect more than about £12-15m for Hart.

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26 Aug 2016 09:41:00
I understand the opening post and does have its merits but my personal opinion is that even when coming back Sturridge comes on the pitch as a sub and always looks like he could score. He is a natural goal scorer, his goals to games ratio is good, if you look at goals to minutes played it is better. Unless the prognosis is that he will never play a full season again then I'd keep him but maybe he is going to become more of an issue if this season doesn't work.

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