Liverpool banter 2

30 Apr 2024 23:23:14
Repp, who played in the 1974 and 1978 World Cup finals for Holland (it was a great team, by the way), is quoted on Talk Sport website as saying that Slot can win the Premiership in his first season. I am not saying we will, but what a great endorsement of Slot by a very-good former player.

01 May 2024 08:51:43
That would be absolutely marvellous if Mr Slot could do this. A few managers if I recall correctly won the league at the 1st attempt.
If he does win the league how many people will put the praise on klopp though?

01 May 2024 09:54:40
Managing at Feyernoord is nothing like Liverpool. He had much less competitive teams, virtually no pressure and no egos to deal with.

I wish him the best, but it's a huge gamble. Although, to be fair, every option was.

01 May 2024 09:59:13
If we win the League next season people can praise whoever they want!
If we don't, I won't blame Johnny Rep.
He was ok in Pirates of the Caribbean and Donnie Brasco but I don't know what his football knowledge is like.

01 May 2024 11:20:16
Come on, GHIATI9. Never heard the guy speak for years if not decades and now, he's talking? He could have given a full endorsement of Slot (like many have done) without speaking such nonsense. Not arsed about such statements cos even Repp himself knows that ain't going to happen.

01 May 2024 15:02:04
Stop all the negativity! We like it or not, a new era is on the way, and we should embrace it with all trepidation but not doom and gloom.

I'm just going to enjoy it, and I advise you do the same! Either way, the team needs a refresh; we've been playing really badly the last couple of games, so let's sow up this season and this era and move to the next.
Say whatever you like but there were very few options available anyway for a manager to replace Klopp, so l3ts stop longing for what's not practical. Ed002 made a good call on Slot and that's good enough for me. For now. Support your team!

01 May 2024 16:01:02
Let’s get behind Slot and give him all the support he deserves.

01 May 2024 18:41:17
This season hasn't finished yet 😏⚽️✌.

{Ed025's Note - you may be in the minority there i think Laddie mate.. :)

01 May 2024 23:56:56
It might start again at the weekend if we win and Arsenal and City were to lose. We’d need a good supply of tablets for next week if that were the case 😀.

30 Apr 2024 20:54:22
Hi Ed 01
Can I have your opinion mate, I like what you think for next year with Trent, szobo, beck, . If we sell Diaz and mo and bring in top quality centre back and forward, do you think we need a commanding centre mid like rice or rodri to compete with arsenal and city?
Personally I think we do but would appreciate your view.
Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - it would help, but there are other ways to play that would mean it wouldn't necessarily be needed. It is the easy solution though to improve midfield. But who is there out there?}

30 Apr 2024 23:28:48
Surely koopmeiners would be top of the list considering his past with slot?

As another poster said he's not the best defensively nor is Trent macca or szob so do we need a specialist 6 or not?

Twitter seems to think the young Dutch 6 at feyenoord is the next best thing but that would be a massive risk.

01 May 2024 06:46:49
Ed1, we all can see how Rice has transform Arsenal into legit title contender or how the likes of Alisson, Van Dijk or Salah has transform us into contender since they coming to our club. Do you see any player out there that can do that for us for next season? It doesn't have to be any positions, just player that can elevate our squad to the next level.

{Ed001's Note - not that we could get, no. I am sure there are some out there, but I can't think of any.}

01 May 2024 07:11:35
Perhaps Romeo lavia, see if he wants to play for a decent team😄 . Thanks for your reply.

01 May 2024 07:34:26
I always felt that we should've went all out for rice 2-3 years ago, he was the transformative signing we needed in that area of pitch.
Would've added physical strength+size, leadership, availability virtually always, a v v good footballer and could cover if need me all 3 positions in midfield and also cb. used to premier league so no problem adapting either.
U should be going for a player like that when your on top of the tree, like utd done buying keane after they won there 1st league in years
Unfortunately as ed1 says I can't think of anybody able to.

01 May 2024 08:34:34
Ed1, I guess getting the right tactics is the way to go. Tactics that will suits our first eleven as a whole and not just something to suit one player. So I say scrap the inverted full back tactic is one. My only concern is, I've seen report that Slot also play with inverted RB with Gertruida. I'm worried it will be the same as we have now.

{Ed001's Note - from what I have been told, Slot is very much a proponent of the inverted full-back.}

01 May 2024 08:55:25
With rice in our team I feel we would be sitting top of the league and heading to the eufa cup final.
Was gutted he went to Arsenal.
For me he's made a big difference to that Arsenal team.

01 May 2024 10:06:58
If Rice joined us Negative you’d just slate him the same way you slate all of our players and you’d be saying we should’ve signed Guimaraes instead.

01 May 2024 10:33:05
The inverted full back could work if your defenders can defend and get back into position, surely?
Our problems are VVD and TAA are both quite languid -for want of a better word- and Robertson still likes to get forward a lot.
We just need to be more defensively focussed and keep the ball further up the field when the fullback inverts.

01 May 2024 11:21:21
Yes, he is Ed01. Also, Slot loves wingers like kids love candy.

{Ed001's Note - ugh. The inverted full-back, a solution to a problem that never existed and which creates a brand new set of problems.}

01 May 2024 13:30:15
Would he have been the one putting the ball in the back of the net, because let's not forget, that has been the problem with Liverpool these last few games.

01 May 2024 14:37:47
I hate the inverted full back. We are so lopsided no width whatsoever on the right so we can't stretch teams. It seems wo easy to defend and your relying on trent playing a 1 in 100 pass to make it worth it. If we want trent in the middle so badly play him there and get a fullback who doesn't mind getting chalk on his boots because salah and elliot should be closer to the goal imo.

30 Apr 2024 21:12:54
Why o why do they allow Howard Webb on tv with that other clown Michael Owen (the nodding dog) . It’s actually embarrassing hearing Webb defend incompetence, I’m not surprised that clubs and managers are now speaking out because Webb needs to go! Why can’t he just come out and say that it was a mistake because we already know it was a mistake so now instead of simply making a mistake they are also liars or delusional…personally I can accept errors but the blatant denial and whitewashing over errors is infuriating.

30 Apr 2024 22:10:01
The game is officiated by humans?

So goal line technology? The only decisions we can rely on - artificial intelligence.

30 Apr 2024 22:23:58
its
a joke and noddy Owen plays the perfect role , yes it's a joke but not funny.

30 Apr 2024 22:27:24
Michael Owen, a nodding dog? Good job Bobby Madley wasn’t there given his interest in the canine species.

30 Apr 2024 23:30:14
Im surprised Owen never had the courage to argue back considering the risks he took to throw his apple in the bin in front of his mother.

01 May 2024 00:25:27
Webbs explanation had more holes in it than a hookers tights! The onfield ref repeated in the audio at least 5 times ‘ played the ball’, VAR can clearly see that the defender didn’t play the ball and so the ref has made a clear and obvious error. Webbs response was basically, we don’t just rely on what the refs say they saw Var also review the footage to see if an error was made? Emmm hello the ref has literally stated he made an error and VAR looked at the incident and could clearly see the defender didn’t play the ball I mean could there be a more clear cut case of ‘clear and obvious error’? And STILL Webb uses wishy washy relies like we would have liked to see an intervention and maybe the outcome would have been different…I mean honestly incompetence aside does the PGMOL not have a PR team or at least one idiot that might point out the glaringly obvious.

01 May 2024 02:57:16
we all know the clear and obvious error thing is just stupid. they need to change that. as long as that is the standard then we will always have this issue.

and agreed, these TV spots for Webb hosted by Owen are a waste of time. If they want proper scrutiny, it should be him on Soccer Saturday or whatever that review show with stephen warnock is. The ex-refs they ahve there get the tough questions, but they really need to be aimed at Webb.

01 May 2024 07:42:26
The only problem with having VAR run by AI is that eventually Howard Webb will be replaced by a T-2000 and I think we all know what happens after that.

01 May 2024 10:19:57
I get the premise behind the clear and obvious rule. They want the ref on the pitch to ref the game and for VAR to intervene as little as possible and only when the ref has made a glaring error.

In theory that’s a good idea but it doesn’t take into account the psychology of the on field ref.

Because VAR is there the refs don’t make big decisions because they think VAR will help them out if they’re wrong. Then VAR tie themselves in knots trying not to go against the on field ref’s non decision which he only gave because he thought they’d get involved.

So you end up with an absolute sh@tshow where nobody wants to give decisions as they are both passing the buck to each other.

It won’t happen anytime soon but we need independent, specialist VAR operatives who are nothing to do with the PGMOL and are not afraid to tell a referee he cocked up. They should basically audit the ref’s decisions in real time and pull them up if they call something wrong. The ref should have no relationship with the VAR so there’s no bias in someone bailing out their mate. Until then we will keep getting what we are getting.

01 May 2024 11:22:35
Seriously, who pays attention to this fraudster and his wretched accomplice at this point?

30 Apr 2024 11:34:58
It's on some sites that a lip reader has stated that Mo said to Klopp, i will get red carded I've been here 7 years. Wow, if that is true that is bang out of order by Mo.

30 Apr 2024 12:33:49
that's a hilarious accusation I highly doubt it, think everyone is taking this to seriously people argue and have disagreements move on I bet if you look at training photos everyone will be smiling and forgotten about it.

30 Apr 2024 12:34:48
I think Klopp just wanted him to stand together with Nunez and Gomez as subs were made instead of sulking on his own. He has disrespected his manager his fellow team mates and the fans who supported him to get to this level. Get gone you fowl little man remember Liverpool fc will always be bigger and better than any single player. We put you on the map Mo and you act like this I hope to not see him play again.

30 Apr 2024 12:46:20
I wonder if it’s the same lip readers that tried to get Suarez off the hook 🤔.

30 Apr 2024 12:52:57
I agree nicol.

30 Apr 2024 12:56:55
Kloppers, indeed. I do agree that Salah should not have shown up his manager (who he owes his career to, btw) in public. No player should do that to his manager. Apart from that and from desperate media hacks looking for a controversy to nibble on, there's nothing to see here, personally. a.

30 Apr 2024 14:31:55
What do you reckon Oli, salah nets against spurs, runs over to the touch line high fives Klopp and jumps into his arms? All forgotten in best way possible.

30 Apr 2024 14:51:13
Salah doesn't owe his career to Klopp and the club didn't put Salah on the map.
Liverpool and Salah have been great for each other and there's no reason that can't continue for another season at least.
As for Klopp, he's very much a hands on manager. One of the lads with his hugs, handshakes, fist bumps, celebrations and general demeanour.
I can imagine him having the crack and bantering with the players. I can imagine him using some colourful language and letting players know when he is not happy and I can also imagine him taking some back if one of his players did it.
Klopp says it's "done" and I'll take his word for it.

30 Apr 2024 14:57:03
How does he owe his career to Klopp?

30 Apr 2024 17:01:42
Totally agree Rigsby. Salah has been a consummate professional and deserves all the plaudits for his time at Liverpool - Klopp has got the best out of him during his time. Neither made the other.

30 Apr 2024 17:20:32
Think we just need to move on rather than over-analyse.

30 Apr 2024 18:17:32
Ah c'mon nicol and Salah, one spat in 7 years undo's all the good? this man has maybe along with De Bruyne been the most consistent and brilliant player in the league these past 7 years. Yis live by high standards lads.

30 Apr 2024 19:34:18
If I did a great job for 7 years and then behaved like that towards my boss you best believe I’m getting fired, Jude. Maybe some people are simply sick of footballers and managers getting away with pathetic behaviour because of their asset value?

In the grand scheme of things, Klopp and Salah’s spat is minor compared to what goes on with some players at other clubs. Wouldn’t even break into the top 10 for embarrassing moments at Man United under EtH. But it wasn’t a comfortable watch seeing two absolute Liverpool legends behaving that way on camera. Nothing will happen because it is football and this is part of why we’re raising a generation of entitled brats right now. Modern celebrities don’t suffer consequences and they are sadly the role models for our children.

30 Apr 2024 19:45:48
MKS, nah you ain't getting fired if you flew off the handle for the first time in 7 years, bro esp. if you did GREAT work for all those years.

In fact, your manager would be very shocked to see you get really p. ed off and will think that there must have been something that really got you to crack like that as it's the first time you're doing it. Just my take.

{Ed025's Note - Oli, but dont you think that Mo should go on the record and apologize?, after all you cant talk and gesture to the head honcho like that in public mate, it would solve everything imo...or does Salah think he is too big to make an act of contrition?, if he does he will really go down in my estimation..

30 Apr 2024 19:47:51
Yes, Salah owes Klopp his career cos it was Klopp who literally built the attacking side of our scheme around him by having him play much closer to goal than he was doing at Roma. Salah said so himself during his first season when he was asked how it was possible for him to be scoring all those goals, something he never did previously.

30 Apr 2024 20:49:02
Agree with rigsby. Klopp and Salah won those trophies together and neither would have any without the other. That's just simple truth.

I don't think Salah should have publicly argued with klopp like that (or any manager) but klopp has been throwing Salah and Nunez under the bus lately by insinuating the losses were because of them not finishing chances. Diaz, Jones are just as guilty but no shade for them and everyone bar Mac has been awful for weeks.

It doesn't entitle Salah to fall out in public like that but it does explain his feelings.

30 Apr 2024 20:57:05
Somethings been wrong for a few weeks now, players seem to of downed tools. Maybe it's down to klopps personality at the moment, we don't know what's happening behind the scenes. But it doesn't seem a nice place anymore, perhaps the players feel let down by klopp leaving them whilst in a title race. Not blaming just mo here, never been in his nature before so would love to know what klopp said also.

{Ed025's Note - i hope he said "hey you! you are one of the highest paid players in the world so get on the bloody pitch and perform instead of sulking you prick"..

30 Apr 2024 20:58:19
I thought Salah and mane owed their careers to Bobby.

They wouldn’t have scored without him.

{Ed025's Note - im afraid you all looked at bobby through red tinted glasses JK, he was ok but nothing more mate, flitted in and out of games for me and was a luxury that you could afford at the time with 2 excellent players either side of him..

30 Apr 2024 20:58:49
Also let's not forget mo was a very very good player at roma too, and klopp didn't even want him as his first choice.

30 Apr 2024 21:11:19
My wife is brilliant at lip reading and that's why we have the best spare bed on the market, she thinks it was bought for the in-laws but oh no it was not
1 nil me.

30 Apr 2024 21:45:50
My friend is also a lip reader and was at the game. From his angle he had the benefit of also seeing Klopp. That is what the papers are missing. This is the full conversation.

As Salah's getting ready. Klopp says " I think you need a haircut Mo"

Salah did not take kindly to this as he got a haircut last week. "I'll go red"

Klopp losing it " that would be a ridiculous haircut for you. It wouldn't suit you one bit"

Salah " I'm a grown man. I'll get any haircut I want. "

It was at this point that Nunez interjected and said

" I go ball kick now"

30 Apr 2024 22:17:41
If your manager annoys you just before you go on the pitch, you go and silence him on the pitch.

That’s the deal.

You don’t act the “big I am” on the touchline.

Do your job, perform on the pitch then no-one criticises you.

Arguing with the boss? That’s an argument you’re never going to win.

30 Apr 2024 23:14:15
ED025 has called it . Spot on.

01 May 2024 01:02:48
Exactly Ron.

Jude Nkunku, nobody is saying otherwise. We all know how good he's been and he will always be remembered for it, a Liverpool legend for sure but at the same time this with Klopp what happened the other day won't be soon forgotten either. None of us know what was said but he should never of acted the way he did, it's unprofessional.

Love it, Davey.

01 May 2024 05:02:46
I don't think it is such a big deal Ed25. De Bruyne and Pep bickered more than once on the touchline in the past, but everyone doesn't make a big deal out of it. Plus we don't even know what is being said between Klopp and Salah. Everyone is making a guess.

Maybe because its Salah, and he is never known to be a big egomaniac or having any kind of attitude problems in the past. This is the first time this happen with Salah. And everyone is making a big deal out of it. I can understand the problem if its coming from someone who has attitude problems.

{Ed025's Note - i just think we have to move on now mfahmee, its really dragging on now mate, in my day the 2 of them would sort it out in the car park and have done with it..

01 May 2024 07:14:36
That is all good Ed25. Its just that there are things that is being said about him that is unfair to be honest. Some is even borderline racist. From Liv supporters nonetheless. Its really is shameful.

01 May 2024 08:05:57
Re ed025 - good job money eliminates mental health issues. To be honest I dunno why we don't just pay people more when they seem to be having a hard time.
Dad's died? Come one mate we pay you a lot of money get over it.

I'm being a tad hyperbolic but you can see my point, just because someone is paid well doesn't mean mental health issues, major or minor, don't affect them. It's a silly thing to say. It would be like telling someone to get over cancer because they're getting paid well.

{Ed025's Note - why do you presume that Mo has mental health issues Nevada?, or are you his shrink?

01 May 2024 08:42:29
Can’t say I’ve read anything regarding Klopp or indeed Salah’s race until mfahmee’s post.

I’m sure the Eds would deal with racism quickly and decisively.

Mfahmee, if you suspect someone is being racist you should report it to the Eds directly instead of accusing people (the whole Liverpool supporter fanbase) in a post.

01 May 2024 09:15:27
Klopp said it's "done".
What else needs to be done? Do the fans that had to see it need an apology? 😂 Do they want an apology because Salah was allegedly sarcastic to his boss and they might not get away with it in their job?
Klopp might be unhappy with Salah, his form and his attitude but that incident is "done" and we should move on.

Over to you, Harry and Jude 😂.

01 May 2024 11:24:55
Ed25, not sure Klopp cares about any of that especially if it has already been handled behind closed doors.

{Ed025's Note - i just want it all to end now Oli thats all, i say address the elephant in the room and repair this festering wound mate, its doing the club no favours at all imo..

01 May 2024 11:44:56
It’s like listening to / watching a Les Dawson sketch. It was two grown men having a disagreement and then moving on. The amount of rubbish it has generated in the press and social media is indicative of people having way too much time on their hands a first world problem par excellence.

01 May 2024 15:42:41
just need a celebrity death match between them, using Mo's haircut and Klopps teeth . let's get it on.

30 Apr 2024 11:29:56
Klopp is the best thing to happen to our club since a certain William Shankly joined Liverpool football club. I've been lucky as i've been a red since the sixties, so i've seen us win all the trophies and how it was under Shanks and Bob.

Klopp brought that back to the club and he won the trophies, so be careful what you wish for. Klopp is a special manager that may never be bettered at LFC.

30 Apr 2024 12:50:50
Insofar as Klopp reviving the club and completely turning it around from the perennial sinking ship it was, yes, you could say Klopp is akin to Shanks - not as good but similar. But Paisley? No. Just no. Paisley is greatest of them all. Klopp is nowhere near, and neither is anyone else.

30 Apr 2024 12:58:05
The Ed's should put an option on this site that allows us to vote multiple times for a post cos I would vote for that post 10 times.

30 Apr 2024 18:39:02
I read the OP's first line very quickly and though "Captain Kirk? "

01 May 2024 11:49:40
To be fair I think you could make a case that FSG are the greatest thing to happen since Shanks.

For a start they hired Jurgen, they have done a great job with the new training facility and with the stadium upgrades. They set up the canvas for Jurgen to paint the picture, so to speak. Hopefully they can carry on doing what they have been doing to ensure Slot succeeds too.

01 May 2024 13:05:52
We all seem to forget king Kenny’s first management stint before the tragedy affected him massively but for me bob paisley was the best manager I’ve seen being born mid 70’s. Even loved Roy Evan’s, but he just couldn’t sort the defence out properly.

30 Apr 2024 08:52:16
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, West Ham United v Liverpool - A Quick Liverpool Perspective

30 Apr 2024 09:46:34
Good read as usual Ed1. I wonder how can you watches these last few Liv matches more than once. It must be hard watching the replay without cursing on everyone on Liv side. Every time I saw we passing the ball sideway and then all the way back to the keeper, or when Trent just casually walk into the middle, it make me infuriated.

{Ed001's Note - it is hard work watching us once, let alone twice, at the moment.}

30 Apr 2024 10:57:43
Ugh, no idea how you do it Ed. It's difficult to watch these flat performances. A slow death.

Agree on the curious recruitment vs the way we try to play.

But then again, the coaching team has remained pretty static for 5 years and Klopp, whether intended or not, has effectively played the role of sporting director over the last 2 years. This is how echo chambers are formed.

{Ed001's Note - very good point. We have needed to refresh things. That was how Fergie stayed at the top so long, he constantly changed his coaching team. He was more of a sporting director/director of football than a coach, he rarely appeared on the training pitches. But the rotation of new coaches underneath allowed him to stay up to date and brought in fresh new ideas.}

30 Apr 2024 12:07:57
This is the point I was trying to make previously. I am as sad as anyone to see Klopp go, however, I am glad that Pep Linders is going and I am looking forward to a new COACH coming in - which is what I believe Arne Slot's "job title" to actually be. As much as I love Klopp it seems like we play "Linders-ball" which is this slow monotonous play which doesn't suit us or the majority of our players. Klopp deserves all the love and thanks for what he has done over the last 8 years but I am excited to see what AS will bring to our playing style next year.

30 Apr 2024 11:26:27
Great read, as always Ed01. IMO, the reason not much is being said about Taylor's reprehensible display of incompetence laced in infinite arrogance, is cos LFC are out of the title race. As I said before, had this incident happened vs Palace (and had Gakpo scored, for ex. ) when we had a real shot at the title or vs Fulham last week and we didn't win, can you imagine the type of firestorm that would have ensued? Webbo and the PG-LOL (saw that on line, lol) would have been scampering for cover cos after all the wretched decisions we've had go against us, it would have been very interesting to see what Webbo and Owen would have come up with.

As for the game, it was a real snooze fest esp. in that first half. WH are terrible, mate. Absolutely dire but we couldn't do much cos we ain't that far away from their level right now.

As for the bust-up, I think Klopp kept Elliott (who was having a wretched time of it, IMO) on for that long to send a message to Salah and others that there are no favorites here. Salah got upset (he prolly was already for being benched) and with him ignoring Klopp's hug/ handshake), tempers flared up. Storm in a tea cup, IMO.

{Ed001's Note - I doubt it has anything to do with Elliott. Not a chance.}

30 Apr 2024 11:50:50
Ed001, whatever you're paying yourself, it's not enough to watch these games twice. Maybe call it a day until next season pal! For your own sanity.

{Ed001's Note - it is not enough to watch them once, so I defo agree on it not being enough to sit through a repeat!}

30 Apr 2024 12:27:01
Tactics have been poor but the manager not being ruthless with poor performances from Mo Szob Konate and Nunez has not helped. These 4 players have been truly abysmal and would not get in a League one team based on performance. I would not sweat it if any of these 4 left the club.

30 Apr 2024 12:45:15
After your review of Everton game, first time it gave a feeling that the reivew came out of full frustration.

(esp around Klopp should have gone 2 years before and all)

But you hit the nail on the head here when you said that if we need to play possession style, we don't have the right/ intelligent players to play that sort of game.

Honestly the evolution from heavy metal to the current style was required and the right apporach. Unfortunately we did not have players to execute and hence we have looked so dull in most of these games. (the results were covering us up untill the last few games) .

Every team we have played this season looked like the have come to challenge us and were looking better most of the time whereas we were able to grind out results.

Hence we had so many fans say x, y, z team would roll over against M City, Arsenal but a team at 20 or 19th spot would give us a run for money everytime we played them. (that feeling)

Wished Mo Salah could have handled it better when he was asked while he was leaving. We can fogive whatever happened on the field as there might have been too much tension brewing but he could have kept quiet and put this to rest by just keeping calm instead of fire comments.

30 Apr 2024 13:00:02
Ed01, I can see that. Just thought Salah could have been pee'd off at the fact that he's on the bench (and rightfully so) yet those playing ahead of him (maybe not Elliott specifically) aren't doing the business either and in fact, are fluffing their lines the way he has been.

30 Apr 2024 13:11:15
Ed1, I don't know if you agree or not but it seems to me that we have no pattern or any idea of what to do in our build up phase. All we do seems to be passing the ball sideways and backwards between the midfielders and the defenders. And when Trent goes to midfield, we give him the ball and hoping he can produce pass of the season or we pass the ball to our wingers, mainly Diaz and hoping he can dribble pass all 10 oppositions players. Its hard to believe that we actually work on our build up phase in training sessions.

{Ed001's Note - to a degree I can see what you mean yes, but I am sure they do work on it, but it is just that it conflicts with the keeping possession work, most likely. It leaves the players trying to play it safe too often, as the emphasis is on keep ball.}

30 Apr 2024 14:08:16
Watched the game in a bar on holiday with a Chelsea fan. funny hearing other people's thoughts who don't support us . but we were winning 2-1 n I was sayin don't sit back, go for the 3rd n he says no Liverpool are managing the game now . I laughed n said you abv don't know us well.5 mins later its 2-2.he was shaking his head on how easy it was for them to score.

30 Apr 2024 15:00:06
The words he used in his departure announcement says it all. "Running out of energy". Not "content with what I've done", or "ready in a new chapter". I think the obvious inflection point is C.V.. The collective and personal trauma of the C.V., winning the title with no fans, and the unexpected collapse in the following season are huge stress inducers. We use the word burnout colloquially but sometimes it's important to actually clarify what it is. WHO consider burnout to be an entirely occupational phenomenon, and it genuinely affects how the brain functions.

"Burnout is a syndrome conceptualized as resulting from chronic workplace stress that has not been successfully managed. It is categorised by three dimensions:

- Feelings of energy depletion or exhaustion,
- Increased mental distance from one's job, or feeling of negativism or cynicism related to one's job,
- Reduced professional efficiency

I'm not here to diagnose Klopp. However, the decision he made 2 years ago to take a step back, while still in the job (this distinction is important) is a telltale characteristic of someone managing burnout, and it also speaks to his nature of not wanting to quit or let the club down. Unfortunately, that's a temporary fix at best. The only real cure is to stop completely. But taking extended leave isn't an option in management. You're either in or you're out.

One more quote.

"Initially, signs and symptoms of burnout are subtle, with gradual progression. Although aware of negative changes in their mental (emotional, cognitive) and physical functioning, at first, many affected individuals neither recognize nor understand the connection between these changes and the depletion of their resources of mental and physical energy and well-being".

Cheers.

{Ed025's Note - interesting read that mate..

30 Apr 2024 15:04:11
It's even worse when you actually pay to watch the turgid ****.

30 Apr 2024 15:08:07
A Chelsea fan shaking his head at Liverpool?!
I wonder what he makes of things at his club. That penalty the other week was unbelievable.
Credit to Palmer though. He let them argue before scoring it and leaving them to carry on arguing about who should have taken it 😂.

30 Apr 2024 19:00:30
Rigsby. he was praising us until I pointed out, we wouldn't be able to stop them scoring. that's why i wanted a 3rd. he thought I was joking. Oh don't worry I gave him what I thought of his team. he agreed ha.

30 Apr 2024 21:09:52
Agree with you there ed. In the first three years klopps 'safety' in games was to just keep scoring until the other team couldn't catch up. Last three years he's been far more negative and tried to protect one goal leads more commonly. The players don't have the organisation and mentality to protect leads and also best defence is offence.

You've got that dead right.

01 May 2024 03:09:03
A great read at the end of my day Ed1, many thanks mate.

{Ed001's Note - thanks mate, glad you enjoyed.}

29 Apr 2024 23:49:41
Maybe I am playing devil's advocate, but I honestly think the incident between Salah and Klopp, is more down to Klopp then Salah.

Now, don't get it twisted I think Klopp benching Salah was the right decision, as his form has not warranted a start. Whether down to rotation, medical advice or sending a message, Klopp was well in the right, in my opinion.

However, if you watch the full replay of the incident, it does tell a story of its own.

At the beginning, Salah is getting ready to come on, he is focused on nothing more than the match. Then, Klopp walks over to him, leans in and says something to Salah. That is trigger for the arguement to take place. If not for Klopp approaching him, and having a quiet word, nothing would have happened.

Now, I don't know what he said, I have heard rumours that Klopp told Salah that if he isn't ready, or willing, then get back on the bench, but can't verify that. The incident was also apparently born from Salah not accepting Klopp's hug and only shaking his hand, begrudgingly.

The Anfield Wrap and other sources have suggested this is what happened, but we will never know until Klopp or Salah reveal it. If Klopp did say that, though, then I have to question what he was thinking.

I know Salah, through his agent, etc, has tried to explore a means of getting a move to a Madrid, Barcelona, etc. However, when it comes to the pitch, Salah has never feigned injury or refused to attend training or matches for Liverpool. He has always wanted to play.

So for people to call him unprofessional, and discredit his entire tenure at Liverpool, I completely disagree with. Admittedly it is a very small percentage, and most have rightly questioned Salah in the situation without labelling him as such. But, those that do, give your head a wobble.

I do, however, agree with the belief that Salah needs to be sold at the end of the season. He has been incredible for us, and I appreciate everything he has done, but his value will depreciate the older he gets or he may feel being out of contract might make him an even more lucrative prospect to a PSG or Saudi club.

Plus, 350k a week, for a player with this level of doubts is a concern. Every poor match he has, that wage will be directed at him in response. That he is not fulfilling his end of the bargain, etc.

As a result, I believe we need to attempt another Coutinho. I. e. Sell our most lucrative asset and use the money to buy 2 first team ready players. Not rotational, not prospects, but genuine starters that can come in and immediately improve the first 11. For me, those positions are right wing and centre back.

30 Apr 2024 03:30:43
unless Klopp insulted him personally, his family or his dog, there is no reason for that kind of response from Mo.

30 Apr 2024 08:02:24
Maybe Klopp said "Mo, go and win us the game. Get your finger out of your arse, start playing like you know you can and earn your wages (and there is plenty of it) .

30 Apr 2024 07:30:01
It looked to me like Klopp went to give Salah a handshake all he does to all the players before going on the pitch and Salah blanked Klopp then eventually Salah just give Klopp the weakest high-five you’ve ever seen and at this point Klopp says something to Salah and it all kicks off. There are other videos out there from behind the dugout that show other footage.

30 Apr 2024 07:42:31
Whilst I agree that now is probably the right time to move Salah on, diminishing returns and high earner. I don’t understand how anyone, or on what basis people can claim he has attitude issues…. in 6 years the weekend was his first public incident. He struck me as a frustrated figure which you would expect given his and the teams lack of form.
I also think it is a little early to say he is washed, before AFCON he was still our best attacker creating lots for others and scoring himself too.

I think if a decent offer comes in we should accept it but likewise if he sees out his contract, I will enjoy seeing him in a red a shirt for another season and I wouldn’t be surprised if he was our top scorer next year too

It would be interesting to know what the Ed’s would do with our frontline?

30 Apr 2024 08:44:55
If an offer comes in we could accept it and then put it to Salah.
Or are we into people trafficking now? 😂
If he wants to go, let him go and that applies to any player.
He's been out of form for a couple of months but he's still top scorer this season and you don't let a minor disagreement like the one Saturday be the catalyst for him going.
He seems to be a model professional, has been top scorer every year since he joined us and the type of player you want to keep.

30 Apr 2024 09:06:41
Maybe Klopp said " did you regret turning down the Saudi offer to follow "my project"

30 Apr 2024 09:10:22
The entire thing is probably a storm in a teacup.

30 Apr 2024 09:33:17
Knowing how salah gets in a strop every time he is subbed out of a game, i think Mo was probably in a strop from the time the team sheet was handed out. Klopp probably went over to him say something along the lines of "take that anger out onto the pitch" and it riled him. Either way, didn't look good and has only compounded problems from outside looking in.

30 Apr 2024 10:15:51
He really isn't the type of player you want to keep. Not if clubs are offering nearly 80 million for a player who is on the decline.

We have been way too slow over the years at moving players on when they're passed their peak, and it's cost us. Take the money and reinvest it.

30 Apr 2024 10:19:24
Just as for Jurgen Klopp, Mohammed Salah's legacy at Liverpool Club is already sealed. He (like Klopp) will always be thought of very fondly (to put it mildly) and certainly as part of the club's greats. Both of them are part of the "combination of factors" that pulled the club out from the relative darkness of the previous two decades. So that's that.

But I didn't like his behaviour during that incident (and I posted earlier about it) . I don't care if you are Pele reborn or Diego Freaking Maradona, you don't reach for your Manager and have to be pushed back and be restrained by your team mate. If you want to leave, that's fine. Do it with class and elegance. And it doesn't matter what the Boss says to you, you listen and swallow it because he's the Boss and he's the reason you are standing there.

30 Apr 2024 10:55:29
Well if it was over the lack of a hug it certainly is a storm in a teacup.

30 Apr 2024 11:08:12
Did Salah reach for Klopp and have to be pushed back? No.
His initial gestures were arms open and hands up. To me it showed Salah was confused by Klopp. Klopp carries on and then there is a bit of finger pointing from Salah.
Unless we find out what was said and it turns out to be unacceptable there is nothing in the incident to worry about.

{Ed001's Note - I am with you on this Rigsby.}

30 Apr 2024 11:31:18
LFC MANGO personally, I think Klopp benched Salah to send a message to the players not pulling their weight of late who also got benched. Also, I think this is another reason regarding Salah specifically that he kept Elliott on for that long. Seriously, the kid was having a pretty terrible time of it and should have been hooked WAY before the 77th minute.

And when Salah (already upset for being benched) ignored Klopp's hug/ handshake, then tempers flared. Granted, Salah should not show up his manager in public that way BUT again, emotions are high right now and so is the level of frustration so in the end, both guys blew their tops. We had this with Mane several times as well where one time, he ignored Klopp's handshake after we battered Utd 4-2 at OT in 20/ 21. Nothing but handbags, me thinks.

01 May 2024 08:49:11
First offense from Salah in my opinion.

Definitely unprofessional.
Regarding his attitude, he’s less committed on the field in the last few months but could be form related or could be ANYTHING in his life. So that’s not a big deal.

But whatever your manager says to you, do your talking on the pitch or behind closed doors - that’s professional.