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14 Mar 2019 07:20:09
Not going to lie ed, the comments made about Karius by Besiktas in yesterday's review take on a whole new light when you find out he's suing them for 4 months unpaid wages.


{Ed001's Note - he could have terminated his loan.}

1.) 14 Mar 2019 07:55:19
What do you think the outcome will be Ed? I thought he was supposed to be doing alright there, apart from the occasional lapse of a young keeper.

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea. He has been very inconsistent there, so I doubt, even if they had the money and he wanted the move, that they would buy him and I doubt he has impressed anyone else out there. I think he will end up moving back to Germany.}



13 Sep 2018 09:17:12
Hi eds and reds,

Curious as to what opinions are on the rules the premier league has been rumoured to be discussing around agents as detailed in the times?


{Ed002's Note - I don't know what The Times has said but the proposals are rather naive and they are getting above themselves if they are to continue to expect other FAs to follow suit and fit in with handling of agent fees and a couple of the other matters that are on the table. In terms of the issue with agents, they have become obsessed with the extreme examples and have lost sight of the norm. They should be making representation to FIFA via the FA and talking with UEFA.}

1.) 13 Sep 2018 10:56:33
That's very fair. I don't understand enough about the operations of agents to have a proper opinion, but the proposals:-

. Agents should only be played by players, not clubs

. Implementation of exams for agents

. Requirement of an English bank account, which transactions with English based clubs should be processed through

. Annual financial statements to be prepared and sent to the FA

. Agents fees to be paid by the player over the course of the contract as opposed to a lump sum at the beginning

Were reported to have been passed to the FA by the Premier League.
No idea how true this is but it piqued my curiosity.

{Ed002's Note - I'll give it a quick shot:
(1) It is not quite as simple as this statement and does not reflect the work that agents do on behalf of clubs as well as players - it can only happen in part for non transfer related business. Some players rely very heavily on their agents on a day-by-day basis - others rarely have involvement with them - and others don't have agents at all. Many clubs use agents in many different ways - some clubs pay agents for advice of such things as managerial appointments.
(2) This means rejigging the registration process and is nothing to do with the Premier League but the subject is something that FIFA are looking at with significant involvement from UEFA.
(3) Noise and not of any consequence unless the Premier League know of specific issues - which I don't think they do.
(4) Annual statements in terms of transfers are recorded elsewhere already - and the FA has access to those. If the FA are looking for details of what clubs pay agents for other services or what players pay agents for other services it is a different matter - but I cannot see of what particular use it would be to them - and clubs are likely to take objection.
(5) See (1) but it is a business matter that should be the responsibility of the club and agents to work out the timing of payments between themselves - it is not a matter for the PL.

The FA cannot deal with issues such as this and much of it arises from an independent report that was produced. The issue with that report was it obsessed over one particular transfer and did not consider the "norm" as much as it should. They also failed to discuss good progress that has been made in terms of ending agents having part ownership of players, open accounting etc.. If they want to do something useful they could outlaw any business being done with the gutter end of the business where we have the likes of certain "parties" using Deportivo Maldonado to abuse the rules at the expense of the careers of players (Jonathan Calleri is still out on loan, now at Alavés). Or why not work with others to completely clear the game of the exploitation of youngsters so we never need to hear the al Bangura tale again?

Whilst they no doubt feel that they have the right motive, they are way off target in doing anything that would maje a real change.}

2.) 13 Sep 2018 12:33:10
Thank you Ed, that was very informative.

3.) 13 Sep 2018 13:15:07
Can’t add anything to what the expert Ed002 says but fro my own uninformed point of view this is the FA or the premier league trying to shut the stable door long after the pit pony has bolted 🤝.

4.) 13 Sep 2018 13:16:23
Thank you Ed002, always nice to hear about things from people with relevant knowledge.

5.) 13 Sep 2018 15:49:10
Quality information as per usual Ed2, I hope the travelling recently has been treating you well mate.

{Ed002's Note - Thanks - back now.}

6.) 13 Sep 2018 16:16:46
If a player is his own agent how do clubs go about a transfer for that player? or is this the only exception allowed for a club to contact the player directly since he is his own agent?

Hope that makes sense lol?

{Ed002's Note - (a) During negotiations they would be representated by a member of their family or a legal advisor working on a day rate - or very rarely take it all on themselves. (b) No, the club cannot directly approach the player, they would need to go via the club he is registered to.}

7.) 13 Sep 2018 16:28:52
Brilliant thanks ed!

{Ed002's Note - In some countries there is a rule that lawyers must be involved.}



11 Jul 2018 10:08:22
Some of you people make me absolutely sick.

One bad game, a training mishap, andr a mistake in a preseason friendly. That's literally all that it's taken for Loris Karius to become public enemy number 1.

"But it was the Champions League final. " Yeah it was, and you know who actually has every right to get on his back about that? The people who's blood sweat and tears got us there. INCLUDING HIM.

Christ, Jerzy Dudek got more respect than Loris does and he dropped a clanger every single week. As opposed to 1 bad game in 6 months

As for preseason friendlies against Tranmere, have you ever been on one of those work things where you sit in a room and listen to some old guy talk boring at you for 2 and half hours (No offense ed002)? The ones where you start drifting off after the first 20 minutes and never really recover? Welcome to the footballing equivalent.

When did You'll Never Walk Alone become "Mess up and you're on your own buddy? "

If he was dropping clangers every week like Djimi Traore or Jerzy Dudek, then that's maybe in the relms of understandability. But he isn't. He had some great games last season but 1 bad performance has been enough for some of the posters on here to decide that they have nothing better to do than force him out of the club, and out of football.

Bitter persons.



1.) 11 Jul 2018 10:35:42
If you drop two clangers like that in the one game that in your whole career it really does matter, it suggests a mental weakness. No one is questioning him as a person, that would make a mockery of YNWA, it is his ability to help Liverpool become champions of anything going forward. It is not difficult nor cold, callous or personal. Managers drop and replace players all the time, to them it is their job. Having an opinion about which ones get dropped or replaced is our prerogative as fans and followers of the club of our choosing. I didn't hear much sympathy from folks when Traore was shown the door, or Coates, or Aquilani etc etc etc.

This Karius thing really has become a moral debate over a football one and it is ridiculous. It really is ok for people to say whether they think he is good enough or not. It's not bitter, just an opinion.

{Ed001's Note - it suggests nothing of the sort. It suggests he made two errors in a game. Brucie was about as far from mentally weak as it comes, yet he made major clangers in big games at times. Stop trying to further your agenda by making up nonsense you have no idea about.}

2.) 11 Jul 2018 10:55:35
Sorry Ed, have to disagree on this one as you have no idea what I have an idea about and what I don't. I have no agenda anyway. I have previously said I have no particular strong feelings in one direction or the other about him other than he doesn't seem to be anything other than an average keeper for this level. To me you're trying to further an agenda by focusing on one point and not what the post was saying overall. My agenda is to try to make people realise that Karius shouldn't be immune to criticism any more than any other player and that the criticism of him is not hatred or personal for most people who are offering it. Yet, people want to jump on it as abuse regardless of the fact.

{Ed001's Note - because you rendered your whole post as pointless with the nonsense at the beginning. You clearly do not know and could not possibly know Karius's mental strength, so please do not try and pretend to be capable of knowing so. Perhaps if you stuck to valid points instead of made up nonsense it would help. My agenda is to stop crap like you just posted about his mental strength, nothing else. If you want to criticise fine, that's your choice, but you should stop making up nonsense to try and push your opinion down everyone's else throats like it is somehow more valid than anyone else's. Which it clearly isn't.}

3.) 11 Jul 2018 10:56:50
I have tried to stay out of this but this witch hunt is getting ridiculous. It showed mental strenght coming back for pre season despite the death threats. But to say he showed mental weakness in the finak while knowing he was suffering from concussion is just. well there are no words.

So what's next, another plane flying a banner? Wow.

4.) 11 Jul 2018 11:28:47
Whatever Ed, my opinion is no more valid, but then nor is anyone else's and yet people post on here with strong insinuations one way or the other, including a lot of the forum's favourites, so are they trying shove it down other people's throats? I guess not. If you had read previous posts of mine, which I don't expect you could have had time, inclination, or ability to have done, you would see that my opinion is not based on any one thing, but if you're telling me that concentration is nothing to do with mentality, then fine. I just don't believe that people should be able to tell others about who they can criticise or if they can criticise at all and use the clubs motto as justification. It's as weak an argument as anything I have ever said. If I believed Karius was the answer to all of our prayers, I would still hold that view.

{Ed001's Note - did I say any of that crap? No you are again making stuff up to suit your own agenda. I said making a mistake is not indicative of mental strength. Concentration is irrelevant here, the guy had concussion which could have caused the lack of concentration quite easily. He could have a weak mentality too, I have no idea, but a mistake in any game is not indicative of that at all. In fact this is pointless, I am done with you and your twisting of everything into some kind of ridiculous reason to dig out Karius over his mentality, while pretending you are not.}

5.) 11 Jul 2018 11:31:57
Also, kindly take me off your witch hunt list, It's a coming. I have no overly strong position on whether he stays or goes either way, which I have said repeatedly.

6.) 11 Jul 2018 11:37:15
It's interesting that there has actually been a valid medical reason for the mistakes (though I think it's probably a combination of the medical and just having an off game) yet the above poster is completely ignoring the actual medically diagnosed reason in favour of a non diagnosed psychological reason for which he is not qualified to give.

As a person working in the field of sports psychology I can tell you that not every clanger in a game is because of mental weakness. People make mistakes, everyone does. The attitude of mistake =weakness is exactly the reason I am employed by various sports to eradicate that type of thinking.

7.) 11 Jul 2018 11:45:06
But ed name 1 single game were we can say if it wasn't for karius we would of lose.

Every keeper makes mistakes, we all bladdy understand that but for every mistake de gea makes he redeems it the following week with 4 or 5 top saves

Karius just does not do that

And at what point do we go ok this kid is a nice lad, a red but unfortunately he isn't good enough.

At what point do we put our success first and foremost.

And another thing if he had over single handily won us the champions league and Madrid came knocking, would he show us the same respect and that were meant to show him.

You can't ask people to just give blind faith. There has to be something we can cling onto. For example Salah has earned a few seasons of utter crap after last year because we all know how good he is so it might just be a confidence thing. Same as Danny. People still think he can find himself again.

Karius has just not earned that right, to make mistake after mistake m, release corny videos, act like de gea whilst performing like a league 2 gk

He does not deserve death threats or anything so people need to curb that but the pressure and exodctation he does.

It took 4 years to finally admit mignolet was dross. Let's not that time again.

There's a reason klopp wanted butland. Let's not forget that!

{Ed001's Note - sorry what? What on earth are you gibbering on about? This is nothing to do with anything I have said. If you could actually stop repeatedly slamming your one-eyed opinions down everyone's throats for long enough to read what other people said, it would do us all a favour because I am bored of reading your repetitive crap. Just stop banging the damn drum and try understanding what other people have said, then you might realise that you are just wasting my time with that crap. In fact, take this as a warning that your repetitive attacks on Karius are boring and I will give you a break from the site if you don't stop. There is little point you being on here when you never read anything anyone else says anyway.}

8.) 11 Jul 2018 11:54:52
I just wish people would be consistent. If it’s not ok to comment on Karius’s mistakes or bad games then why is it ok to criticise Mignolet’s or Bogdan’s mistakes or bad games, Clyne’s poor defending/ crossing/ games, Lallana’s use of the ball, Matip’s poor concentration, Lovren’s brain freezes?

Before anyone starts I’m not talking about threatening him or his family but no-one has done that on these pages to my knowledge.

{Ed001's Note - but no one is saying that, why are you even going there? More nonsense. The problem isn't about commenting on his mistakes or criticising his ability, the problem is that people push nonsense psychological bull down people's throats to attack him. If they would stick to talking about his ability and criticising that, then there would not be this big issue. Or making ridiculous overblown claims without adding any balance.}

9.) 11 Jul 2018 11:57:59
I will just say flat out we need a new keeper thought it before the champs league final and think it after he is not the standard required too win us a league or cup finals .

{Ed001's Note - and I have said a similar thing too. I think we need an upgrade, but it has to be an upgrade, not just buying a replacement to appease the boo boys. If there is not a truly top class keeper available, then the money is better spent in other areas of weakness until one becomes available.}

10.) 11 Jul 2018 12:21:16
Ok ed, I’m not referring to this particular thread, just the general feeling on the posts today. I’ve been asked to stop criticising him, which I will reluctantly now down to, but I don’t understand why people want him to get special treatment. It’s unfair on the others.

Overblown claims I would class some as “banter” but it’s hard to define especially with pure text.

Regarding the medical diagnosis, I don’t think it’s a factor last night. He struggles with shots fired STRAIGHT at him, it happened at Bournemouth, CL Final and Last night. It’s a huge technical flaw which any half decent opposition manager will exploit with ease.

{Ed001's Note - I have no problem with your assessment at all, but people, and no I don't mean you, are just being dicks about it. Banter would be lighthearted, but none of it is lighthearted or funny.}

11.) 11 Jul 2018 12:37:56
Sorry ed. I Just want us to do so well and it's frustrating seing a fix and nothing getting done about it

Then the thought of having something similar as the champions league happen again.

I'll leave it now. I won't justattack the kid. I'm more annoyed at the club and klopp not finding something.

I wouldn't mind at all someone like fahrmann, older and could mentor karius, would give him someone with he sane language.

{Ed001's Note - I understand but we need a change of record. This subject is just getting boring.}

12.) 11 Jul 2018 12:58:47
Alvy, you're making mistake that you think it's down to one game, in two years there have been a number of examples where he has struggled. The final was the culmination of people's opinion of him, not the start.

13.) 11 Jul 2018 12:59:52
Stoke drew 1-1 with Leicester last season when a driven cross straight at Butland hit him in the chest and went straight in. De Gea and Muslera both spilled shots straight at them into the net in the last fortnight too. It's a tough position because if you make a mistake there is rarely anyone to bail you out.

14.) 11 Jul 2018 13:15:39
Slightly different as Vardy was running across the path of the ball to try and get a touch and clearly distracted Butland - there’s no doubt it was a mistake, but it’s not a recurring one.

15.) 11 Jul 2018 13:16:56
But de saves them at least 12 points a season and muslera didn't concede a single goal all tournament up until thag point.

They all redeem themselves. Karius has to do thag before we can give him a free pass for any mistakes.

That is it now from me on this subject.

16.) 11 Jul 2018 14:48:04
MK, stop it. You are speaking too much sense. I saw those Butland and Muslera mistakes as well BUT clearly, me and you were the only ones who saw those, LOL.

I agree with you, Ed. People instead of criticizing Karius' weak points on the pitch, they starting pulling out crap like "he is mentally weak" or "lacks the bottle" or "he is a bottler" or anything psychological to butress their point W/ O actually being medically qualified to give such analysis and use it as a stick to beat him with. That is nonsense and many are guilty of that.

They have NEVER met nor spoken to Karius in person to guage his mental makeup yet they sit on their arses, giving psychological diagnosis on a subject they know nothing about. As for making a mistake being a sign of mental weakness, DDG was the worst GK at this WC. Does that suddenly make him mentally weak? Again, abject nonsense. What makes you mentally weak or strong is not that you make the mistake. It is how you can come back from it that matters and you don't need a degree in sports psy. to know that.

And to those saying Karius is getting special treatment, they must be leaving in dream/ cloud coo-coo land. He is getting death threats as we speak after having what I call a set-back vs Tramere in a FRIENDLY for that matter BUT hey to them, that is special treatment. YIKES!

17.) 11 Jul 2018 16:45:19
it’s not just the mistakes though, although everybody only moans about them. He also gets beat on the inside post far too often. Nobody seems to mention this and they just focus on his worst/ recent mistakes but covering the near post is something every keeper should be able to do. Yes sometimes every keeper can get beat at the near post but 9 times out of 10 they should be covering it enough to force the attacker to try for far post.

Tranmeres 2nd goal confused me as at first I thought it deflected off the inside of Karius's left leg and megged him, but then the replay showed it didn’t. He was beat on the inside again.

18.) 11 Jul 2018 16:34:50
The thing I don't get is that this 'mistake' against Tranmere is not really a bad or uncommon mistake.

A shot was rifled at him from 20 yards and he got everything behind the shot to stop it. How the hell is he reasonably expected to catch it? The mistake is that he pushed it back into the danger zone. It's definitely a mistake, but it's a mistake I see every game from every keeper in world football.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did Gordon Pickford (real name Jordan, before the media Christened him the second coming of Banks) not push a shot back out into the same area against Sweden? Yes he did. The difference is, Henderson reacted and bailed him out, and Pickford was named man of the match.

Amazing how the media can influence opinion so much. In my opinion, Karius has made a slight error, but the biggest error is that none of the defenders reacted to clear or block the rebound. Karius should've pushed it wider than he did, but it's easier said than done when it's blasted at your chest like that.

Someone blasted it at Butland last season and it hit his chest and went straight into the net. The same Butland who is supposedly the saviour according to some people also slaughtering Karius. Go figure.

Seems like a massive over reaction to me because people love to kick a man whilst he's down. Cowards love easy targets.



26 Aug 2017 10:49:15
Quite disappointed, an entire transfer window has gone by and not once has someone on this site linked us to Aguero. Feels almost like the end of an era.


1.) 26 Aug 2017 11:32:44
Same with Christian Tello : (.

2.) 26 Aug 2017 11:33:22
Actually I think somebody did at some point. 😁.

3.) 26 Aug 2017 11:34:38
'Tis not true . I have read the proof.

4.) 26 Aug 2017 15:19:27
Kun or Ken?

5.) 26 Aug 2017 16:08:02
Ken or Ron?

6.) 26 Aug 2017 16:08:02
Ken or Ron?

7.) 26 Aug 2017 19:03:04
Aguero signing next week. £2.50, three freddos, and a cherry coke. He'll wear the number 69 shirt. By the way I'm ITK. I have multiple sauces. My nan's cousin's daughter is shagging Jurgen Klopp.



22 Apr 2014 16:16:25
Hi guys, been a while

Around this time last year, I offered around the suggestion of replacing Suarez with some sort of rifle. I argued that it would shoot more accurately, and have better potential for creating open net opportunities whilst attracting less media attention.

I'm glad to witness I've been proven wrong, but there still seems to be rumours of other clubs sniffing around the Uruguayan.

My proposal, looking at the amount of money that would likely have to be bid would be that, from a good deal, we could probably look at picking up a euro fighter typhoon in replacement. This would allow us to reliably cut opposition teams to shreds in relatively short time, and we could get away with not having to deal with the mess that is agents.

Hope I managed to lighten the mood a bit, cause everyone seems a little too tense.






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28 May 2019 22:11:30
Then you haven't been to enough cabaret Ed.




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15 May 2019 13:46:26
With no Griezmann, and no Mbappe, how are we supposed to compete with all these clubs we're already competing with?

Wait. Is it finally time, after all these years, for Aguero?




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15 May 2019 13:46:26
With no Griezmann, and no Mbappe, how are we supposed to compete with all these clubs we're already competing with?

Wait. Is it finally time, after all these years, for Aguero?




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09 May 2019 19:08:38
Would highly recommend people save this breakdown, it's helped me keep my feet on the ground for the last couple years at this point.




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17 Nov 2018 12:49:19
Feel like it's a bit harsh to talk about Ings as a flop when in reality we have no idea how it'd have worked out if he hadn't spent a millennia on treatment tables.


{Ed025's Note - that was one of the reasons why he was a flop alvy...that and not being able to hit a bulls arse with a banjo of course mate.. :)




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14 Jun 2019 16:48:28
Why would Salah want to leave? There's a million possible reasons. Players are people too. They can have motivations other than just winning things. Maybe he wants better weather? Maybe he doesn't like his neighbourhood. Maybe he wants to raise his kids outside of the UK. Maybe he just wants to move.




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02 Jun 2019 13:18:23
The question that spings to my mind every time something like this comes up is this.
Who would actually choose to live in England? Especially considering having options like Spain or Italy, and that wherever you go it's going to be in the nicer areas.




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01 May 2019 18:57:03
Wasn't there stories of our fans throwing old Asian tourists into fountains back in 2007 or something? It's a weird and disturbing thing to repeat if I'm remembering this right. Might even have been Istanbul come to think of it.




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11 Feb 2019 11:13:05
I was at the Middlesbrough/ Leeds game cause my Girlfriend's mum is a massive boro fan and all we could see was stretchers and paramedics going to the bench. Good to hear the lads doing okay.




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10 Feb 2019 11:06:46
Mixed race isn't one that'll offend people like myself ed, it's half-cast that we tend to frown upon.


{Ed0333's Note - cheers mate. When I was growing up in 70’s and 80’s half caste wasn’t offensive and then did become offensive and replaced by mixed race. I left England years ago so wasn’t too sure. I appreciate feedback Thankyou. Out of interest what is the courteous way to describe someone of dual heritage?