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05 Jun 2017 20:30:05
I can see us lining up somewhat similar to chelsea next year with a back 3 of vvd, lovren and matip. Does anybody else see a future for moreno as a wingback? No? Thought not.


1.) 05 Jun 2017 20:41:53
Assuming Lovren stays. He seemed pretty miffed when a reporter tried to ask him what he thought about VVD.

2.) 05 Jun 2017 20:42:52
Final delivery isn't good enough.

3.) 05 Jun 2017 20:42:56
Nor Milner or Clyne if I'm honest.

4.) 05 Jun 2017 20:44:18
Klopp will probably trial using a back three in pre season but keep Milner and Clyne for now in case it doesn't work. If it works well then we won't need to sign any new full back in Klopp's view. Wing backs of Wini and Milner maybe? Hendo in midfield with Couts then a front three of Firmino, Salah and Mane. The wing backs one I'm struggling on though.

5.) 05 Jun 2017 21:45:41
TAA for rwb and Mendy lwb would be pretty good.

In fact any line up with Mendy at LB is a win.

6.) 06 Jun 2017 08:02:47
As an attacking player Moreno is decent. The problems are he isn't defensively aware and although he has bags of pace he insists on making the kind of rash diving in challenges that a slow player would make. We've been lucky so far that he hasn't picked up a few red cards but honestly I think that is luck not because he hasn't deserved them.




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28 Jun 2017 23:14:46
For my money every successful Premier league team has had an old school English centre half barking out orders from the back Adams, pallister, Campbell, Ferdinand, terry, carragher and arguably even Morgan (I know) to this point . Why is it we are completely overlooking michael keane? He might not have the flash play of a vvd, but he is available at half the price and probably twice the consistency. It seems painfully obvious that this is a winning formula, and was likely the reason for city signing stones an Gary chill still having a career.


1.) 29 Jun 2017 06:50:14
Disagree on Stones
Keane is poor. He is consistent alright, consistently poor.
Nationality is not the issue. We have never replaced Hyypia. In my opinion he was a bigger loss than Carragher.
You need leaders in defence, that's what we're missing, leaders. Leaders require self-confidence, something which our defenders don't have. VVD has it in spades.

2.) 29 Jun 2017 07:53:40
Chelsea won the league in spite of Gary Gahill, not because of him. I can't think of one English central defender that I would want week in week out in our starting 11. This is possibly the worst generation of English defenders for a very very long time, for all the money in the game that's a shocking stat, I agree with Ron, Hyppia was a player we didn't adequately replace. And there are very legitimate reasons not to consider Keane, like all of the English centre backs at the moment, he's not very good and further to that, he is a die hard United fan (and we're talking very die hard by all accounts), so for him and us, a move to Anfield was never going to happen.

3.) 29 Jun 2017 08:03:02
These are professional footballers we're talking about. Each and every one of our centre backs arrived with self confidence. Lovren had plenty of it. In my opinion (think skrtel) its communication that is their downfall. By having the English center back I think it really aids this communication right from the back.

4.) 29 Jun 2017 08:05:09
Rollan, if Michael Keane (who is not good enough and is not a leader) is the one you want us to sign then I'm happy not to have any English CB in our team cos I can't see any that are good enough and any one of them we try to sign will cost an arm and a leg. Do you think a defender who plays in an ultra defensive formation at Burnley, can hack it in a system where he is exposed and required to defend 1v1 situations? And for 28m? I don't. English players are overrated and so is Keane and Stones tho Stones is the better CB, I wouldn't want any English CB here.

5.) 29 Jun 2017 18:34:24
Looks like im in the minority then, but whenever I think of successful English teams they've always had English center backs. Michael Keane is wanted by utd and Chelsea? Can't be THAT bad.

{Ed025's Note - it looks like he will end up at everton mate..

6.) 29 Jun 2017 18:59:06
Yeah I did see that. But there seemed to be interest from the big clubs. I actually didn't see much of him last season, the point I was making was a bit more general than that. Obviously complete rubbish too haha.

{Ed001's Note - Keane was not of interest to United or Chelsea.}

7.) 30 Jun 2017 14:05:17
Pretty certain Keane is not particularly good at barking out orders.

8.) 30 Jun 2017 14:10:04
I don't even remember the Last English CB that made to the elite! Cahil was schooled the other day by Mbappe and Dembele. He is the weakest in that Chelsea defense!
I agree with Ron on Sami and VVD. And let's not fool ourself most of the best CB's are priced beyond our nominal range anyways!



28 Dec 2016 21:00:24
Just read a comment with regards to Coutinho not been match fit for the city game.
Footballers should be supremely fit guys, but for some reason (in my mind anyway) they seem to be given an easy time when it comes to fitness. I would expect Coutinho to return to training with barely a dip in his v02 max, so long as he's been keeping reasonably active. I realise they need to regain a little bit of sharpness but they've been playing footballnsince babies, so surely this shouldn't be hard to pick up? Or am i missing the point? Is it more to do with the muscle or ligament itself not been fully repaired?


1.) 28 Dec 2016 21:32:07
It's probably more to do with ankle strangth. It was a nasty injury. You very rarely throw a player straight into a 90 minute game, after doing a joint. You need to give it time to recover its strength. the V02 max will ofcourse dip, I'm not sure by how much, but he clearly won't be match sharp in terms of fitness having missed 5 games.

2.) 28 Dec 2016 21:32:51
Agree with other players in less demanding situtations but were not talking match fit here were talking klopp fit. can't have any passengers.

He will be back soon enough. can't say where haven't been alright without him, few blips but back to ourbbest now :)

3.) 28 Dec 2016 21:44:52
Actually, your VO2 max drops a reasonable amount after only a couple of weeks of no training. Of course he would still be very fit compared to the average joe, but his "fitness" of course will have dipped, especially from the levels Klopp seems to demand.

4.) 28 Dec 2016 21:56:55
I imagine you have to get over it mentally as well, I wouldn't want to face 90 mins of my foot being stomped on knowing it's only just healed, I wouldn't want to do any 50:50s or anything like that either, scared it's going to go again.

5.) 28 Dec 2016 22:07:48
Your VO2 max starts to drop after just 2 days in most people.

6.) 28 Dec 2016 22:37:55
All good points, but would definitely expect him to have trained (swimming, arm cycle. something haha) I guess its probably more a case of the injury having healed correctly and game sharpness. Hard to remember the fine margins in the game these days. I can not play for 6 months and still return to the same poor standard as previous. obviously very different at the top.

7.) 28 Dec 2016 22:58:45
Just had a look at the top 30 vo2 max scores of all time. and sneaking in there amongst the cyclists and cross country skiers was one of our old boys. But definitely not one i would have expected to see (looking at you Dirk kuyt) Oyvind Leonhardsen of all people. Who'd have thought it?

8.) 28 Dec 2016 23:46:19
He can keep fit, but it's different muscle groups you're using and different fibres, fast and slow twitch. You then have to rebuild the muscle memory.
There are lots of things you can do to improve VO2max, ranging from altitude training to eating bluberries. I;m sure the LFC physios are well versed in what's best for pipco.

9.) 28 Dec 2016 23:54:42
Why so much focus on vo2 max? Its not the be all and end all of performance. He may be able to run in a straight line at high speed 1000 times, or run for hours but not have the match sharpness to react, change angles, make quick decisions under pressure etc etc.

10.) 29 Dec 2016 01:04:00
There is a huge difference between being physically fit and being match fit. You can be in good physical shape yet lack match fitness because the demands of in-game action are much higher (running, physical contact, endurance levels are higher. muscles are used more and more, etc. than one might believe.

11.) 29 Dec 2016 02:34:11
He'll be targeted as well.
Don't forget that.



05 Oct 2016 19:16:08
Just read the news about Rafa and his Wife sending 40 kids (who have lost loved ones due to acts of violence) from the Liverpool area on a trip to Disneyland. He clearly still lives the area, and i sincerely hope we can find a place for him at the club in his latter years.


1.) 05 Oct 2016 19:40:57
I semi agreed with the decision to let Rafa go, but still have a real soft spot for the man, just as he does for our club and city.

2.) 05 Oct 2016 19:48:56
Great man and a great LFC manager.
He did leave at the right time though. I'm sure Rafa would only want a job on merit but the club does need to show its appreciation for legends like Rafa.
YNWA Rafa 🏆.

3.) 05 Oct 2016 20:08:37
Great man with a great heart.

4.) 05 Oct 2016 20:46:13
Massive respect to Rafa.

5.) 05 Oct 2016 20:58:31
How can you not admire and respect Rafa after where he got us to in europe, despite being hampered by the clubs financial problems?
But that said, he was apparently a quite divisive character in senior club management, and rumour has it there were frequent power struggles within the club.
He knew how to build a highly effective team, in fact his 08-09 team were feared throughout europe and could give the current squad a bloody tough game, but then he also gave expensive contracts to quite a few poor quality fringe players, and caused a major financial hangover for FSG to clear up at great cost.
I do sometimes wonder how things would have gone if he had kept his job, gotten a grip of his passion for control, and if he had been given the player budget that kenny and brendan got.
You have to imagine that with that big a transfer kitty, he would have brought in some top talent and kept us in the CL at least a couple of times.
You hear about how the club had deals almost in place for players like david silva and david villa but the plug was pulled on him before we signed them, and you wonder if rafa might not acrually have won us a league if he stayed around and been given the financial backing that kenny and brendan got?
Certainly downing or adam or carroll would never havebeen signed for a rafa side, among many others.

6.) 05 Oct 2016 21:04:22
Rafa is a legend.

He will always be a red

Hope he wins the Championship for Newcastle this season.


7.) 05 Oct 2016 22:20:12
Didn't he do this last year too, def a legend but to be honest I was glad when he left.

8.) 05 Oct 2016 22:18:43
Fantastic man and great manager in his time. Liverpool legend, would love to see him in the future some part of the club.

9.) 05 Oct 2016 22:44:34
I am not the biggest fan of rafa as a manager but his commitment and passion for the club and area has never been in doubt, the biggest legends for our club are men like him and kenny.

10.) 05 Oct 2016 23:03:17
The only reason I don't want Rafa back is because we have Klopp.

11.) 06 Oct 2016 01:40:07
Big man. big heart true red!

12.) 06 Oct 2016 01:41:48
Will always admire and like rafa. Tbh he gave me one of the greatest nights to watch in football I have ever seen, and also lots of other great games. I don't think he was great with transfers though, don't get me wrong he got in some quality players. But also some very dubious ones on big money. Also never understand why he wanted rid of alonso for Gareth Barry, absolutely puzzled me that one.

13.) 06 Oct 2016 07:41:21
I know Rafa can divide opinion, but there is no doubting his love for the club or the city! this is another class act from a classy guy!



02 Jun 2015 07:36:18
Just after people's honest opinions on Henderson this year. Whilst I appreciate his improvement and work rate since joining us, I can't help but feel he was extremely poor this season. Lacked short burst pace, frequently overran in midfield and had little influence in any of the big games. Is the affection of supporters clouding their judgment? Personally I just think he's not that great (Cleverley kind of level)Happy for him to prove me wrong though.


1.) 02 Jun 2015 07:49:07
I'd like to see him in a cohesive team first, without being shackled to having to do defensive work. I'll judge him then/

2.) 02 Jun 2015 07:50:02
So you think Henderson is at the level of cleverly. Enough said 😬

3.) 02 Jun 2015 07:53:05
Look at the players this season and compare them to last season. Only Coutinho looks better, the rest have looked poor. My opionion; They have looked poor due to tactics that haven´t fit the players, or perhaps I should say that they never got comfortable with one of the many systems Rodgers have played with.

4.) 02 Jun 2015 08:15:06
or he was limited by the tactics and formation?

5.) 02 Jun 2015 08:25:10
Henderson has been played out of position by the manager, on too many occasions as have half the other players in the team, he's playing attacking midfielders as strikers, wingers as defenders, and DMS as Center backs, i think Henderson performances while not been stellar have been decent given the fact he's not playing his natural position, we could signal out most of the team about their "performances" this season but at the end of the day it all comes down to the manager and his poor tactics so why not moan about Rodgers performance and lay off the players who are only doing what they are asked to do by the manager?!

6.) 02 Jun 2015 08:27:48
Henderson finished the season poorly but he has been LFCs most consistent performer last season. From open play, in terms of goals and assists combined, he has a very good record too. I don't know if he is captain material though, captains play a much reduced role in modern day football.

7.) 02 Jun 2015 08:41:15
Thanks for the responses. I agree that judging him after he's played a sustained period in his natural position is a fair shout. It can be quite easy to feel negative about players performances when they are so consistently played out of position.

8.) 02 Jun 2015 08:53:14
i think herderson is a good player for us and should be in the first team currently but maybe with new signing, who knows

9.) 02 Jun 2015 09:31:33
Licky Lambert, In any team I ever coached I had 11 players on the field who attacked and 11 players on the field who defended. Why should Henderson get a pass from being shackled as you say from any defensive duties?

10.) 02 Jun 2015 10:06:23
Hendo look a bit fed up and confused as to what his job in the team is.
Not suprising really.
I'm hoping under a new manager and with the extra responsibility next season we will see the best of him.

11.) 02 Jun 2015 10:35:03
7 goals and 14 assists in all competitions?

Cant be that bad, surely.

12.) 02 Jun 2015 11:01:35
Henderson : 7 goals 15 assists
Coutinho: 8 goals 7 assists

One has played in his preffered attacking roles all season (Coutinho) and one has played at RM, RWB, DM, RB and very very rarley in his preffred role of Box to Box MF of 3.

Henderson is without a doubt one of the most underrated players in the league and a top top pro and player. Anyone whohas been to a game in the flesh will see what a monster Hendo is, covering for Gerrards gone legs all game long! Without that he can concentrate in his own game a lot more.

13.) 02 Jun 2015 14:50:05
Hendo is a very 13/14 season proved that. this season, we all know why our players underacheived so what is the point discussing this or that player`s level when we know who was putting square pegs in round holes and making them look worse than they actually are? can and hendo are great examples of this.



01 Sep 2014 05:01:13
With a lot of talk about Lucas leaving, just thought i'd post a link to this video.

If nothing else, just to remind everyone what he's done for our club and what he is still capable of. Personally I love the guy, i'd take players like Lucas (proud to play for the club) any day over his more talented counterparts who just see the club as a stepping stone. (Suarez, Moreno etc.)


1.) Moreno? Why mention him? He only just started playing for us?

2.) Love Lucas, but I really don't see him playing ahead of Gerrard, Can, Allen, Henderson, Coutinho and Lallana. a move to another club might be the best move for him right now, if he can get a club that he would prefer would be a nice touch as well.

its true, some people see us as a stepping stone. but we have the opportunity now, to make us a club that people want to be in, and are here to stay, by winning. see people want to play for Barcelona, Real Madrid, and Bayern Munich because these guys are winners in their leagues and in europe. right now, we have the opportunity to do that, and we need the Suarez the Morenos to be there (of course I know Suarez is no longer here, just trying to put across my point). who knows, in 2 years Moreno might reject Real Madrid in order to stay put, don't rule that out yet mate.

3.) Fyi.

Lucas is on pretty high wages couldn't match by any italian clubs.
I thought he is playing for free with Liverpool

4.) Personally I think some people are stuck in a time warp when it comes to players and their loyalty. don't get me wrong! It is nice that a player has respect for our club. It means they have enjoyed their time at the club and the fans have madethem feel wecome, something that Lfc does better than most clubs, but sentiment should never get in the way of progress. To think that you should hold onto a loyal player and give him game time over a better quality player is absurd. I heard a wise old man once say "players are only transient employees of the club". can't remember his name tho!

5.) I love how Lucas smacked down Indy K on twitter after he made up rumours of Leiva leaving Liverpool

6.) Lucas is the best defensive midfielder we have. Albeit, he's the only natural defensive midfielder we have!
Personally, I think Lucas's injuries have taken their toll and he isn't able to quite reach his previous levels. Which is a shame because we desperately need the qualities he brings in front of the back 4. Qualities that the alternatives don't excel in.
Would I keep him? That would depend on where or how BR intends to use Emre Can? If he intends using him in that role then I'd let him go, if not then I'd keep him and play him predominantly in the bigger games where we clearly need to tighten up.
Whilst I agree with Irish Rover about sentiment vs talent, I think that he still retains enough ability for this not to be an issue just yet!

7.) I think the problem is that our midfield looks sluggish when both Lucas and Gerrard play in the same team. Lucas is a class defensive midfielder but we need more dynamism if Gerrard is playing as well (which he definitely will irrespective of form) - as a result Lucas's role will be on the periphery this season (if he remains): I doubt he'd be happy with a bit-part role.

8.) 01 Sep 2014 11:47:09

The problem with Lucas is, he is static like Nigel Dejong. He breaks up the play. but doesn't add an inch after. similar to Mikel.

9.) 01 Sep 2014 12:22:24
hes not static he just positions himself well so doesn't need to sprint around. he's also a much better passer than mikel and de jong. having said that if gerrards going to be starting the majority of our games (barring injury he will) then its probably best for him and the club for him to move on.




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07 Jul 2017 06:42:34
At least MK is supporting our current players. Half of the people want "world class" Keita who is "streets ahead" of any of our players without ever seeing him play. Or only a handful of times at best. RBL must be every Liverpool fans second team.




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05 Jul 2017 18:43:35
Its mind-boggling you can't understand the question.




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25 Jun 2017 00:10:10
First Milner is a better full back than Alves. Now Stewart is better than the ox. Silly season.




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10 Jan 2017 21:03:24
Alli and kane are bad examples. they were given a shot and grabbed it with both hands. Making it nearly impossible for the manager to drop them. I agree they need time, just wish a few of them would force it a little more.




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24 Aug 2016 17:05:42
Sorry. I can't buy that Harts a terrible keeper. He's had more games notable for his excellent performances than nearly any keeper I can think of. Not seen enough of Karius to make a judgement on whether he's better than Hart, but I certainly hope he is, because that means we'll have a real keeper on our hands. Hart hasn't had it easy at city over the years and their defences have been ropey for large periods, if he was that much of a liability I'm sure they would have got rid. Being English didn't save the likes of Rodwell.





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09 Jul 2017 10:01:33
Best rumour in ages!


{Ed001's Note - he had a trial with us when a youngster.}



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04 Jul 2017 07:48:19
I'll make myself more clear. I do understand the uproar and that what we are doing is completely wrong within the context of football. I was just making a point that this kind of thing goes on every day in the real world. We need to stop it immediately though. Ed is right. Our reputation is taking a beating.




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04 Jul 2017 05:46:04
I understand that we shouldn't do it and that just because others probably do it too doesn't excuse us. However, I can't understand the moral uproar on this. Isn't it just another case of football operating in a different world to the rest of us? This kind of recruitment (albeit quite often from a third party) goes on all the time? Headhunting and such.


{Ed001's Note - it is because Liverpool have a reputation to maintain, a reputation which is being destroyed and making business more difficult for us to conduct in future.}



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03 Jul 2017 18:58:59
I agree. Would like to see him given another chance.




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29 Jun 2017 18:59:06
Yeah I did see that. But there seemed to be interest from the big clubs. I actually didn't see much of him last season, the point I was making was a bit more general than that. Obviously complete rubbish too haha.


{Ed001's Note - Keane was not of interest to United or Chelsea.}