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26 Dec 2016 10:56:35
Papers are crazy, apparently PSG are going to offer 40 mill for Couthino in January yet the same people report Van Dijk might go for 40 mill.
In todays prices he's worth a fortune surely, and I can't see as we'd seriously want him to go, heard anything eds? I don't see how we'd be letting him go mid season, plus isn't he obsessed with a Barcelona move?

{Ed002's Note - I would forget the amounts involved and ceratyinly Southampton have priced van Dijk well beyond that. PSG and Barcelona are both interested in him - PSG may well make a January offer - I have explained this over and over during the past months.}

1.) 26 Dec 2016 11:10:23
It will be 80 and everyone is happy .

2.) 26 Dec 2016 11:20:19
I imagine £40 million falls short of what we would look to sell for. PSG won't get him on the cheap and especially not in Jan.

3.) 26 Dec 2016 12:52:53
We shouldn't sell our best players at all if we want to challenge, pip has the potential to be world class.


4.) 26 Dec 2016 14:04:36
He has a better chance of UCL title with Liverpool than PSG. psg st most semifinalist. He may leave if Barcelona come calling.

5.) 26 Dec 2016 14:45:25
40 mill for counts Shirley it's Dec not April 1st!

6.) 26 Dec 2016 14:46:39

7.) 26 Dec 2016 16:10:22
FSG will not sell. I am convinced that FSG will not sell Coutinho. They are genuinely looking to win trophies. No matter how much money PSG or Barcelona wants to pay it will not come close to the increase in valuation of the club from winning trophies.

8.) 26 Dec 2016 16:10:23
Always said that if a player wants to leave then there is no point keeping him but a) I'd want a lot more than £40m for Coutinho and b) does he really want to go to a league where there isn't that much of a challenge? May as well follow Oscar to China if France is his only option.

Let's charge them £60m and move on if we have to.

9.) 26 Dec 2016 17:53:25
I don't know how has money ever replaced world class players in the past? Keep him and resist any sort of offer. FSG have learned a good lesson with Suarez safe and the money.

10.) 26 Dec 2016 23:56:58
I would be astonished if FSG agreed to sell him in Jan, whatever the offer.
A sale in the summer is a real possibility, but Klopp has already shown that his view is that no player should be sold for less than market value- and Phils value could be in the same league as Pogba.
If he goes, I believe we will get a major, major fee for him.

11.) 28 Dec 2016 10:45:30
Why would coutihno go to barca, he will never oust the likes of Suarez, neymar or messi. so its likely most of his time will be on the bench.




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05 Feb 2017 18:52:14
Right now we are poor, very poor, in fact it would be hard to recognise the same players from early season form, just briefly on that score I can't help but think had we stuck to Wiji in midfield like before Can was fit and just played someone from the youth in Manes position until he came back we would have at least kept our shape and style better, we've had far too many changes for a side that already shoehorns players into positions and its caught up on us.
Aside from that all this complaining about Klopps 6 year deal on the back of Hamman moaning is daft, nobody complained about Klopp and his deal when he got it and we were top of the league and everyone was also worried due to us looking awesome that he might run off to Bayern at the drop of a hat.
He still has in large part Rodgers squad, he clearly at the beginning had to work with what he had but dip in form or not he is quite clearly capable of doing the job and sorting this mess out.
Hes made mistakes and he's blind to certain players but the system does work if everyone is onboard/ good enough to play it.
Cut the man some slack, he was the second coming in November, he isn't the second coming of Hodgson in one month.
Reality check fellas.

1.) 05 Feb 2017 19:04:10
totally agree mate the one thing the last few games have shown is the players are feeling the pressure no compsure when were in an around the box, just hitting in an hoping for the best the hull game was so frustrating for that esp the second half.

2.) 05 Feb 2017 22:28:31
Ritchie, I agree with you and coming from a huge Klopp fan, I will never bail on him. However, he has to change something to reignite that spark. Change of tactics, formation, benching out of form players, something needs to change cos right now, I don't know where our next goal will come from, not even our next win.



29 Jan 2017 21:35:48
Things got a bit silly on the live chat yesterday and for my part I apologise to the other fans that use this site, I was only giving my opinion to be fair but it gets a bit over dramatic on there when things are going wrong.
Right, where to start, these are only my own opinions so agree or not its all cool.
I for one would sort the nonsense out with Sakho and get him back in alongside Matip, everyone deserves a chance and I personally think he's a loss, many don't agree and that's fine but I think we are cutting our nose off to spite our very out of form face.
Lallana needs to be in central midfield with freedom, freedom for tracking and attacking, he can't be effective on the wing in the same way and that's that.
We need another winger and one with some guile so Couthino can play in the middle too, he too is wasted out wide.
The youngsters aside from Trent do not look ready, not in my book.
Firmino is a much bigger threat up front but boy does he disappear when the chips are down but Im sure its down to a lack of real service and I do rate the lad.
We need to stop playing crab football, its like watching the last few weeks of Rodgers just lately and for me Can and Henderson is a massive no no, we are having far too many touches and allowing teams to get back, at that we also missed Mane for his pace.
Im firmly in the camp of if we are not making any window signings then play Moreno on the wing and see if the boy can do a job, he's rapid at least and poor tackler or not has the pace to track back, I also think Ojo might need a better look in as at least he tries to beat a man, something we've forgotten how to do.
For the first time in ages im not worried about keeper troubles.
There that's where Im at with it all, I think Klopps the right man but he needs some changes and as much as I moan constantly that I want us challenging, Rome wasnt built in the proverbial day.
Bring on Chelsea and let's see what gives.

1.) 29 Jan 2017 23:21:15
Nice one RichieT 🙂.
Glad I missed the chat yesterday, sounds like it was a bit wild.
I don't agree about Sakho, I don't think Kloppo made the call lightly. He loved "Mama" last season, but the events from April to July must have built up. For the same reason, I wouldn't have Ballotelli back, he doesn't take his profession seriously enough to be a winner.
Mane coming back will help with Lallana and the crab football. He will also help Firmino.
Moreno should be sold for whatever we can get, the lad comes across as a saboteur. He tracked back yesterday for the second goal and then just went sliding on his back nowhere near the ball - complete liability. I would never pick him for LFC again.
Where am I with it all? I'm positive, 10 points is nothing with 16 games to go.
Where do we need to improve :
Defence - we need a composed leader to play centre back with Matip. We need to develop TAA and Juanma as fullbacks.
Midfield - still a big problem against bus-parkers. We need a midfielder who can take the ball forward and beat a man or two. Like a Gascoigne. We need to commit these buses, we need to disrupt them. The 3 ways to do it are pace on the wings, quick movement of the ball and dribbling at teams making them tackle you. I don't think Can has got the technical skill to do it and Wijnaldum hasn't shown enough in this respect.
Attack - I think Coutinho, Firmino and Mane are fine as first choice.
I'm saddened that Grujic is injured, I thought he could develop into the strong midfielder who can carry the ball forward and commit defenders.
As a crazy suggestion I'd like to see Ojo in there. I know he's played on the wing so far but I see him like Barnes when he played more centrally. Strong on the ball, moves like a panther, good dribbler and good vision and lethal shot.

There's much to play for, there's a lot more to come from Klopp and his squad and I'm very positive about it.

2.) 30 Jan 2017 06:28:58
It is a no brainer playing Lallana and Couthino through the middle, but even with Mane. back we still need a pacey attacker on the other wing, someone to stretch the opponents defense.
And i can't agree more about a composed dribbler (which i am sure Couthino and Lallana are once playing through the middle)

LB: Milner (for now) RB: Replace Clyne with someone who can cross and is not just a workhorse.
Defenders: Get a partnership that works and keep them fit
DM: We still need a DM, especially for the counter-attacks (where we are so exposed now.
Midfielders are okay with the lot we have (if Lallana and Couthino)
Attack is still need a pacey Left winger (maybe Ojo) to complete Mane, Firmino
Depending on the team we are up against we can play either Sturridge or Origi instead of Firmino upfront or better still as a substitutes.

3.) 30 Jan 2017 10:35:33
I loved Sakho and really do think he'd be a great partner for Matip, but if Klopp gave in now it would just undermine him and send out the wrong message to the rest of the players or any future signings. I would say from the sounds of it Mama has been given a second chance maybe even a third or fourth as he said he's paid his fines, the only person to blame is Sakho himself for not taking his job seriously enough and not noticing that he was putting his career at jeopardy by his repeated failure to act professionally.

Mane will undoubtedly improve things by giving us some much needed pace up front but let's not pin all our hopes on him, there is a chance he is going to be coming back distraught and maybe lacking a bit of confidence after what happened on Saturday.

Losing Mane hasn't helped but I don't think he is the reason for this alarming drop in performance level, I do think the chopping and changing has disrupted the flow of the team but I think the defence is the main problem. I personally think the reason for the crab football is everyone is petrified of trying something different and giving the ball away so choose the easy sideways or backwards option because they so scared that if we give the opposition the ball they will score. Apart from the Utd game we have virtually conceded from every chance the opposition have had against us in the last few games.

4.) 30 Jan 2017 16:29:17
Spot on Ron. The OP is not being fair on the Sahko situation. He is the architect of his own downfall so what should Klopp sort out exactly? Klopp didn`t freeze him out cos of his football ability as we know he can play. He did this cos the guy is very, undisciplined, cares only about himself and is severely unprofessional. After being given several chances to redeem himself, he was still being a problem in the DR.

For someone who got himself into the drug testing scandal, a PR nightmare for the club, you would think that he would keep his head down, work on his game and try to win Klopp`s trust back, right? No. What does he do? He keeps screwing up and had the nerve to film Klopp giving a presser in preseason. What in the world do you want Klopp to do? Give up his Team first ethos or give up his values for the sake of an an unrepentant player just cos we need a CB?



16 Jan 2017 16:13:50
Hopefully an open minded post.
This year much like Leicester last year without Europe was a good chance to go pretty close in the league, we started really really well and whether its due to a dip in form or loss of players, or maybe even a stop in momentum at the international breaks we have dropped markedly in our position and advantage points wise and in our form.
Now I do know lots are trying to be positive and so they should BUT, when you watch Chelsea recently do they look like losing? I'm saying not so let's for a start forget any fantasy breakdown we think they might have, they have quality players everywhere and a very good manager too, Arsenal are doing what Arsenal do, flitting about the top four and not looking like winning it, but they do seem in general to be whooping the lower down sides, something that we seem to have forgotten how to do.
Man utd are hitting form at the right time and you wouldn't rule out top 4 now and City are the other team like us to have a dramatic dip at the wrong time.
Spurs I personally think now look very confident and are playing well enough to finish top 2.
So what gives? Whose been missed and whose gone missing?
I think Mignolet has stepped up 100% as in my eyes has Karius in the cup game, Milner I think had a lapse for a few games but is playing back into form a bit, Klavan will always be suited by some games more than others as will Lovren, I don't think with a few games Trent Alexander will prove at his tender years to be any less capable than Clyne and I personally think for leadership Matip has been a loss.
Couthino was a massive loss, a loss for the team and a loss personally for Firminho who looks blank without him, Henderson also no matter what anybodies opinion is always a big big loss now, Can I personally don't see ever being that great but that's my own personal view and Wiji I think has grown into the club and his role in the team and if he could score more would be worth a fortune,
Lucas is clearly off at some point, and for me none of the midfield kids look ready yet, not quite anyway.
Lallana is quality in my eyes and needs to be back in midfield and away from the wing where he is a massive waste.
Up front we clearly miss Mane, his pace and acceleration, Firminho is certainly no winger AND has gone off a touch, Sturridge the enigma just doesn't seem wanted by the gaffer and just isn't doing enough, Origi is marmite, I think there's a player in there but he's a young lad whose very hit and miss and the kids like the midfield don't seem quute ready and that includes Woodburn and Ojo.
Id personally like to see Wilson have a bash in the cups.
Its all personal opinion so im not stirring a shouting match here im just sharing opinions, For me we've gone off the boil, we've forgotten how to score and sometimes we seem to shoehorn players into positions instead of finding solutions to players needed.
I seriously think we need a real good striker or two and I really think we need a quality partner for Henderson, a winger would also not go amiss.
I firmly believe the back four with either Matip back in and/ or a top drawer centre half to partner him would see us ok at the back and the least of our worries in my book is a goalkeeper at this moment in time at least until the season is over anyway.
We seriously need to hit top gear again as the other sides are not just going to go away, they are playing well with the exception of City and to make sure we keep on course we need some swagger back.
Hopefully Klopp has a plan whether it be transfers or not but let's not just wear the rose tinted and assume all is well as no win in 4 games says it isn't at all and we are now in a massive dog fight for top four and whoever scraps best will also end up champions in my book.
We can still do it but we need to do it now as any more ground lost will just put us under immense pressure and im not sure we're up to that pressure just yet.
Keep cheering folks, YNWA

{Ed025's Note - good read that richie mate..

1.) 16 Jan 2017 16:44:34
End of the day we can never blame anyone if we loose the title to Chelsea. Or we could credit ourself for finishing inside top 4. Whichever way you think is a success. Personally I believe we should be challenging quite easily with 3 of the top 4 sides changing managers and usual TRANSITION we should be right up there and theoretically we are third atm. But point wise we are 7 below Chelsea and 1 above City.
We need to start playing the way we started off the season and focus on each and every game from here on. We cannot drop anymore points.

Good one Richie.

2.) 16 Jan 2017 17:07:01
The cup games have distorted things a bit, we've taken 14 points from our last 6 league games scoring 12 goals and conceding 4. A point away to Utd can't really be considered a bad result which leaves Sunderland as the only bad day at the office. We're also getting key players back now.

Things aren't as bad as they seem.

3.) 16 Jan 2017 17:15:36
Everyone has had ups and downs, Chelsea's, MU's and cities the most dramatic, ourselves, spurs and arsenal have plodded along quite steadily.
Our u23 squad drew a cup game, we lost 1st leg in a cup game away, and drew 2 away league matches featuring 2 pens and a goal that shouldn't have stood to the form team in the Prem at the moment.
If this is a crisis god help us.
I'd have bitten your arm off to be ahead of MU, ARSE and MCFC tied for 2nd at this stage Of The season.

4.) 16 Jan 2017 17:55:49
That is a very good read Richie mate. We do need to step it up your right as I think the ones around us will. However Chelsea have Looked like loosing recently. ask Spurs. It just points out that they're not unbeatable. We haven't won in 4 (fair enough) yesterday was a good point in my eyes, Plymouth was our youngsters, Southampton is only half time. and yeah ok Sunderland was a bad day. so except go Southampton (which we can put right) we haven't lost either. let's be positive!

5.) 16 Jan 2017 18:02:00
Think it's down to our starting XI go missing we suffer which is more noticeable in our front 3 (coutinho, firmino, and mane) as don't really have a replacement. Mane is our wide pacey option that doesn't have an adequate replacement, nor do we have a replacement for firminos press and movement or coutinhos quality or creativity.

Added to that lallana is entirely different than any midfielder we have as with Henderson. Finally Matip seems to be the only one to organise and calm our defence.

May seem like I'm mentioning too many things but simply if we lose one of our 'best XI' we do struggle to find someone to replace them.

6.) 16 Jan 2017 18:03:39
" dramatic dip " in form i agree with everything you say Riche but that is an over exaggeration.

7.) 16 Jan 2017 17:50:48
Thanks ED025 and Harry, We all have differing opinions that's football but I sometimes think we need to be realistic too, Its easy to get blinded by your own team amongst supporters bias but we ARE in a good spot compared to last year and clearly Klopp has brought on some players and some have not got with the programme so to speak, He doesn't appear to be blind Mr Klopp so I figure he has a plan one way or another,
These home games coming up will give us a measure of where we stand for later in the season

{Ed025's Note - im a massive klopp fan richie and if anyone can bring back the glory days its him, how some can have a moan about him is beyond me mate..

8.) 16 Jan 2017 17:55:49
That is a very good read Richie mate. We do need to step it up your right as I think the ones around us will. However Chelsea have Looked like loosing recently. ask Spurs. It just points out that they're not unbeatable. We haven't won in 4 (fair enough) yesterday was a good point in my eyes, Plymouth was our youngsters, Southampton is only half time. and yeah ok Sunderland was a bad day. so except go Southampton (which we can put right) we haven't lost either. let's be positive!

9.) 16 Jan 2017 18:02:00
Think it's down to our starting XI go missing we suffer which is more noticeable in our front 3 (coutinho, firmino, and mane) as don't really have a replacement. Mane is our wide pacey option that doesn't have an adequate replacement, nor do we have a replacement for firminos press and movement or coutinhos quality or creativity.

Added to that lallana is entirely different than any midfielder we have as with Henderson. Finally Matip seems to be the only one to organise and calm our defence.

May seem like I'm mentioning too many things but simply if we lose one of our 'best XI' we do struggle to find someone to replace them.

10.) 16 Jan 2017 18:03:39
" dramatic dip " in form i agree with everything you say Riche but that is an over exaggeration.

11.) 16 Jan 2017 18:25:38
Great post richie. Agree with what you said. Be interested to know who youd like the boss to sign?

12.) 16 Jan 2017 18:20:46
I think you're panicking too much.
"we have dropped markedly in our position"
Last time I looked we were joint second behind Chelsea. Chelsea might not look like losing, but it only takes one game then a dip in confidence and they could drop 5 points in a few weeks.
We're just over half way through the season, if we're 7points behind with 4 games left then I'll be panicking. There's 51 points to play for and Chelsea have to come to Anfield where we are unbeaten for over a year.

Don't lose your nerve, keep believing 😎

13.) 16 Jan 2017 18:45:11
We've 17 games left and only seven of those are away - a tough game at City aside, we should keep applying the pressure to the top sides, turn Anfield into a fortress and see where we end up. keep the faith lads.

14.) 16 Jan 2017 18:20:46
I think you're panicking too much.
"we have dropped markedly in our position"
Last time I looked we were joint second behind Chelsea. Chelsea might not look like losing, but it only takes one game then a dip in confidence and they could drop 5 points in a few weeks.
We're just over half way through the season, if we're 7points behind with 4 games left then I'll be panicking. There's 51 points to play for and Chelsea have to come to Anfield where we are unbeaten for over a year.

Don't lose your nerve, keep believing 😎

15.) 16 Jan 2017 19:37:29
Great posts on this thread. I agree with you as a whole, Ritchie BUT the 4 games we haven`t won must each be put into context. Vs Utd, we gave a solid away performance and Klopp out-coached Mou for the upteenth time with his tactics and our overall team performance. Utd only equalized with an offside goal so that`s hard to take. The Plymouth game shouldn`t even count as we played mostly the U23 team. The Saints defeat was a poor one and even Klopp admitted to. The Sunderland game was unfortunate but it was a negative result.

We have been in a sticky patch yet with all that and the missing players we have, we are still joint 2nd and three points ahead of City with the easier run in as well as 10 of the 17 games coming at Anfield. We are still in a good position in the PL, still in the Cups and most importantly, we play Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs at home, a chance to affect their points tally directly. We`ve taken their best shot on their patches and they still couldn`t beat us. We`ll see what happens then. All the teams will drop points BUT we have to make sure to drop less than everybody else, period.

We just need to stick together and fight like we did vs Utd where we were promised a hiding from all and sundry YET here we are, still alive and still standing. We`ll be fine and I have all confidence in Klopp.

16.) 16 Jan 2017 21:20:30
If this is our bad patch for the season i will take it. Get Matip back in, Hendo and Coutinho stay fit and we will be fine and dandy. Its all good😊

17.) 16 Jan 2017 21:45:35
Nice to see some rational posts on this thread and some genuine footy talk, someone asked who id like us to sign and that to be honest is the million dollar question.
In honesty I just don't know, I have this thing about Costa type serious goal scorers and i think we lack one, although to be fair id have loved Vardy in last years form up front for us, I think hed have been cracking with his pace.
Other than that just some real real quality on the ball for me in particular a proper midfield box to box man.
Thanks for the responses they're appreciated!

18.) 16 Jan 2017 21:49:37
If all of our sticky patches resulted in being joint second with 17 games to go (10 at home) we would've won the league a few times in the last few seasons.

Good review Richie 🙂

19.) 16 Jan 2017 22:09:33
You say we've had a dip? Before the dip we were 6 behind Chelsea and in 2nd spot. After the dip we are 7 behind Chelsea in joint 2nd.
We are 7 behind, we need to win our next 2-3 games and close the gap on Chelsea. then it's anyone's title for the taking.
Should we slip up in the next 3 games, then we will have to settle for top 4 which isn't bad at all.

20.) 17 Jan 2017 16:25:26
Spot on, Mag. And 2 of the next 3 are at home. Win your home games and you`ll be in great position for the title and if not, definitely top 4.



12 Jan 2017 10:24:47
I did wonder with how we play if we might feel the heat at some point, we looked tired to me last night,
I can't fathom also why we look great with Firmino as cf so why not stick to that and utilise what we have around him. Lallana is clearly no winger and we have young players who if they are good enough need time on the pitch, isn't that why we have a squad, I love Klopp he's the best thing to happen to this club for a long while but there are some strange decisions lately.
Im not getting the feeling we're looking much into the transfer market either so if these kids are not deemed trustworthy in the league cup then where is the depth coming from and why are they alwsys occupying the first team bench?
Other than that do any of the eds have any idea how young Allan is doing and if there is any chance yet of a work permit? Cheers folks onwards and hopefully upwards

{Ed002's Note - For now there is not the possibility for a WP for Allan and it is hard to see how he will ever be used. Liverpool will not be afforded any leeway at all in his Work Permit application. However, they will likely try again in the summer.}

1.) 12 Jan 2017 10:38:56
Is the lack of leeway down to our lies regarding Grujic?

{Ed002's Note - Yes.}

2.) 12 Jan 2017 10:42:06
As i understood it ed we've caused enough nonsense with the promise of Grujic game time for his work permit is that right? Im not sure we're really looked on favourably in some of the games leading bodies, Id like to think someone might sort out a better system for our youth at some point even the signings often seem a bit scattergun, how many have we had in recent times that either didn't really play or got sent straight out on loan? Has nobody looked into our scouting network at all? Just often seems a very strange set up

{Ed002's Note - The scouting system was significantly revamped a couple of years ago and the scouting network has been tinkered with more recently - I am not aware of any issues with it.}

3.) 12 Jan 2017 12:20:36
Thanks ed appreciate that.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

4.) 12 Jan 2017 16:32:27
Isn't Grujic injured.

5.) 12 Jan 2017 19:31:04
I think Allan has been included in the latest Brazilian U20 squad. I don't know if it will help significantly with his work permit though.

{Ed002's Note - Not significantly.}



04 Jan 2017 21:42:41
So the Sunderland game looks like it gained us a point then ;-) Just saying

1.) 04 Jan 2017 21:54:14
Really going to take that attitude? Absolute ridiculous. It was two points dropped, we SHOULD be sat 3 points behind Chelsea now. Tired of people making excuse after excuse for such a shocking performance.
On to the next game, stop worrying about others and just worry about our performances.

2.) 04 Jan 2017 22:03:34
Yeah because we have a god given right to win every game Benny and what the other team does on the pitch is irrelevant. No mate you're wrong. It was a point gained as we are now a point closer to the top than we were before this round of fixtures. I'll tell you what I'm sick of, people slagging the team off every time we don't produce champagne football and wipe the floor with the opposition. We are fortunate to support the club we support and they've given me more great days than I can remember. Let's just get behind the boys eh?

3.) 04 Jan 2017 22:08:16
There is no attitude benny, we drew away and we were dire, we didn't lose we drew, now for me that's not good enough for many reasons i won't go into again but the pure hard fact of the matter is we are now a point closer to them than we were, we can all sit with what ifs about how we should be 3 points behind but we're not we're 5, we were 6, so no not ideal on the whole but better and certainly better than 8 behind which it could have been quite easily had tonight not gone the way of Spurs.
Other teams will slip up against relegation battlers, they always do year in year out.
Onto the next game! YNWA.

4.) 04 Jan 2017 22:10:32
That being said Benny, once our result was done, today's result could have been worse. The simple fact is, we have reduced out points deficit. Could/ should it have been more? Maybe, but it wasn't and it could have stretched to 8. Probably a case of counting our blessing rather than celebrating our achievement but appreciate the reality.

5.) 04 Jan 2017 22:17:02
What world do you live in pip? you clearly didn't watch the game. Sunderland were awful, yet we were worse. We through away two leads. We were second to every ball, every third ball. Bottled many a challenge and our build with sturridge and can was as slow as chris biggins running in syrup. You want me to say "ah its okay because we beat city" "its okay because we are second"?
I support liverpool through thick and thin, tattoos all over my body dedicated to the club and the 96, don't tell me to get behind the boys.
I look at each game as they come and go, i praise, i criticise, but i live in the real world. We have a real shot at the title, because of the team and because of klopp, but if we are just going to keep making excuses i guess we can wait another 20+ years.
Seriously pip, do you think after that game klopp went into the changing rooms and "unlucky fellas, let's hope spurs win so we can be happy for todays point, not that we pised away 2"
of course he didnt, he tore them a new one.
Alas, this was monday, i now look forward to the next game in the hope sunderland performance was a blip.

6.) 04 Jan 2017 22:22:05
Fair response Richie and nail on the head there Andy, about counting the blessing rather than celebrating. I got a head full of steam as i think the OP is the latter.

7.) 04 Jan 2017 22:41:59
Agree with Andy, Ritchie and Pipps. 5 point gap, 18 games, GAME ON 🏆.

8.) 04 Jan 2017 23:11:41
Should be 3 point gap, opportunity lost.

9.) 04 Jan 2017 23:19:55
I don't think too many managers "tore them a new one" these days, not that many dinosaur managers about in the Premier League.

Reality is people had thrown away our chances after Monday, not sure if Benny was one but i do think he has a rather simple view of the Premier League teams, that the lower teams roll over a get their belly tickled. Sunderland got beat 4 by Bournemouth so we should be able to beat them 6. If only that was the case. There will be plenty of upsets before the end of the season, Arsenal nearly had one last night. Why? Because that's the league we watch, lower teams battle like hell to stay in the most competative league in the world.

Claiming Klopp got it wrong by playing certain players, especially after the match is over and not being in full view of the facts (in Milner's case) makes you come across as some sort of football expert, even better than Klopp and we all know that obviously isn't true. A bit more sense and reason is required instead of throwing the toys out of the pram and tearing the team a new one.

10.) 04 Jan 2017 23:49:49
Benny tattoos don't make you a good supporter. I'll give you an example of how support can take a team to a new level.

Wales in the Euros.

Clearly an inferior squad of players to most others in the competition with a few good players but the rest pretty average. They get beaten by England but their fans celebrate and thank them for their efforts.

England beat Wales but draw against Slovakia and get absolutely hammered by their fans. We all know which team went further in the competition.

We all need to come together as a club and support, good performance or bad and the team will do better I guarantee you. Saying how awful we were and picking out players for poor performances is not helping anyone other than the opposition.

For years we've been blaming players when a lot of time it's us as fans that have to take some responsibility for our lack of quality support. Yes we'll say we're red to the core and get tattoos all over the place but when it comes to it we jump on the first player that misplaces a pass! My point is if we all do this together although we still might not make it we will stand a much better chance.

And in answer to your question Benny I doubt very much that Klopp tore them a new one at all. I think Klopp knows enough about football to know that we could win the league by 1 point so all points are valuable. He will also know that there's no point dragging down team moral for one result when they've just played 2 games in less than 48 hours missing Christmas and new year with their families in the process.

11.) 05 Jan 2017 00:02:35
Could of, should of, would of zzzzzzz. Five points off the top, halfway through the season, still to play chelsea, some people are never happy. Some perspective wouldn't go a miss. For me personally i couldn't be happier with the way the season has gone so far.

12.) 05 Jan 2017 00:04:12
Your posts are pathetic, Chilean and Benny. If the PL was that easy, why did Arsenal not beat Bournmouth or Utd get trounced by Watford, or Saints draw at City or on and on? You think it's that easy to win games? We thumped Boro without breaking a sweat yet Arsenal should have lost to them at the Emirates. It's the EPL geniuses, not the Scottish league or La ligament. Every game is different and difficult and any team can win. We were not great BUT good enough to win that game but it didn't happen. You are no bigger fans of LFC than we are so stop bashing the rest of us cos we disagree with you. We are second, five points back and more than in the mix. Would you rather be Arsenal who are out of the top four? Utter nonsense! Get over the Sunderland game and get over yourselves or be left behind, the lot of you.

13.) 05 Jan 2017 01:22:47
Sure we could post all week about a draw away to a team battling relegation who, as Richie pointed out, habitually trip up title contenders nearly every season. How Klopp made an error on selection, which I do agree with, though it's clear to see why it was an option to start with nearly the same team.

Initially I was as frustrated as you Benny, looking at the bigger picture however, as mostly above, we're in a stronger position with regards to the title so it's not something worth pondering it. We didn't play well, but still created chances. Took the lead, sweet. Two lapses in concentration with a well worked goal and a harsh decision on Lucas in between and you've got yourself a turd sandwich, but we can't at this stage have caviar all the time. The performance certainly felt lethargic (Ed001 alluded to the sub conscious effect of the fixtures), but I didn't at any point think they were taking Sunderland lightly and that's the point. The players have improved mentally since Klopp has arrived, and you can see the team starting to mature as we find our identity. Jordan Henderson is a Phoenix, the amount of times the fans have written him off and then he goes up yet another level, Moreno and Sturridge both out of the team and not sulking but resolving to work hard and wait for their chance, the effect the latter eventually had on the Everton game alone speaks for itself.

This season we've found wins in games in which we've played badly more frequently than draws, which is a good sign imo. If our goal scoring continues on the same trend then we've only lost 10 goals on the 13/ 14 season with Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling but we feel (in my opinion) and are proving to be more solid defensively than they were, and we've still got Coutinho and Matip to come back. I'm more than happy with our shape this year, and I saw nothing in the Sunderland game that warrants the reaction.

Sorry for the long reply guys.

14.) 05 Jan 2017 03:26:26
Spot on, Fornax. All the knee jerk reactions and scapegoating of players each time we have a negative results still does my head in. The Sunderland game was a banana skin based on the obvious circumstances and if you didn`t know that before hand then, you must be deluded.

Were we great? No. Did we play well enough and create enough chances to score? Yes. For some reason, it didn`t happen for diverse reasons and that happens in every sport. By the way, cos we didn`t win, doesn`t mean you didn`t play well as that happens all the time. We got a point and that`s that.

But to start scapegoating a team an manager that have given us some of the best football (even better than 13/ 14 season) for decades just cos we got a point at Sunderland is where the line should be drawn and someone needs to say: "Enough"!

15.) 05 Jan 2017 08:40:24
We gained a point on Chelsea. FACT!

16.) 05 Jan 2017 09:10:19
Not at all hamilton, we really should have beaten Sunderland and made the gap 3 points, nothing ''pathetic'' about that just because YOU disagree that a draw was a good result.

17.) 05 Jan 2017 09:23:52
we gained a point on chelsea tat is a fact, we culd have gained 3,that too is a ''FACT! ''

18.) 05 Jan 2017 09:38:41
If my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle - that too is a FACT.

19.) 05 Jan 2017 09:59:41
Excellent posts Hamilton.

20.) 05 Jan 2017 23:22:45
Keep hearing the we are second nonsense. I'm here talking about the Sunderland game, you're talking perspective. If you want to thread like that, let's all come here on the first of every month and talk instead. Seeing as no one can offer up any intelligent debate, nor counter on the topic of the Sunderland game, not the overall season, I'll leave it there.

21.) 06 Jan 2017 08:34:29
We could have 57 points right now. FACT but in fact that hasn't happened.




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21 Jul 2016 08:21:23
Windows loads of time yet ED mi old buddy, anything could happen yet with regards to leavers, just a note is Lucas definitely on the out list? And also what's this wee rumour of Flanno out on loan, can't believe that surely?

{Ed001's Note - pretty much everyone is potentially on the out list. As for Flanno, the only possibility would be a short term loan to get his fitness and form back by playing regularly. He does not want to leave, so he would have to be forced out.}



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11 Jul 2016 22:54:03
Post of the week TJ hahaha!



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15 Feb 2016 12:19:00
its in the Echo now too.




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17 Feb 2017 05:13:37
What fair crack do they need at a hundred grand a week? Have you heard yourselves? they're not here on training schemes they are here as fully fledged proven professionals, ones which if im honest neither of are good enough for a top four side, I've nothing against either im sure they are lovely lads but don't sympathise with them and say they need time, you wouldn't get time working for the council or dropping burgers on the floor at the takeaway, you'd be out the door forthwith, why does this enter the realms of alternate reality where things that go wrong get constant backing and time to grow into the role?
If Karius or Migs for that matter need more time to learn the job tell them they're on 80 quid a week till they've learned how to do it correctly, see how long they stay to 'get better' then, im not trashing either im being realistic, neither should be here considering the basic pre-requisite of goalkeeping is catching, something neither can do consistently well. If I employ a window cleaner I want clean windows not the lawn mowing. Good day all YNWA.

{Ed001's Note - actually you are completely and utterly wrong. You do get time in any job. You don't get the sack immediately for a couple of mistakes in almost any job you can mention.}



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13 Feb 2017 20:57:33
Hahaha you crack me up 25, good luck with that ;) hope your well fella.



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12 Feb 2017 18:33:54
Ive shared the info I got last year at the Cheltenham festival from some sporting agents in the Ladbrokes box, info that came via Sturridges family, from what i've seen this last year i've no reason at all to disbelieve it and the fellas I spoke to didn't strike me as the type to tell lies either.
He's going in the summer i've no doubt about that at all, shame as I always liked the lad but he's no good on the bench or the treatment table all the while.



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04 Feb 2017 02:50:34
Hes quality in my book, many experts can't be that wrong.

{Ed001's Note - experts? You mean those moron pundits who spout crap? Van Dijk is nothing special as would be shown if he was put under pressure at a big club in a competitive league.}



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29 Jan 2017 06:27:40
Crikey if I had a quid for every time I heard an LFC fan say give the manager time, Rome wasn't built in a day or we're in transition I'd be a millionaire.
It's been like this since the 90's, always looking for players just under the radar who will maybe work out or maybe wont, we've spent cash upon cash and had the money to compete but its been frittered away on players not up to the job of winning the league.
We've had everything from the comedic stint of the former owners to Roy Hodgson and it seems somewhere we just don't tick along correctly, like a classic car not running on all cylinders, now and then we rear our heads and show that we are still capable but ultimately when it comes to accelerating past everyone we just can't quite do it.
I know FSG have tried to right a few wrongs and get us back on track but they must be pulling their hair out sometimes, surely they didn't expect the premier league to be such a moneypit (EDS? )
My own personal expectation is that I want us to try and win the league every year, I think the reality is that we are not perceived by the top echelon of players to be one of the elite clubs anymore so therefore struggle to attract who we really need to win things and stay among the top clubs.
We'll be out of this bad run soon enough but we must try and kick on for that top four spot as it could make all the difference to our summer transfer targets, the worry is we just don't show any signs of getting back to early season form and the manager looks a bit lost with it all to me.