Liverpool banter 2

01 May 2024 15:07:23
Ed1 and fellow reds here, one month left for Klopp as our manager. I want to ask you Ed1, if you could pick one signing as the best signing under Klopp reign, who could it be?

For me its between Alisson, Van Dijk and Salah. But I'm going to go with Alisson. Because of how hard it is to find a world class goalkeeper compared to a winger or a CB. Also because of how he can single handedly saves us many times and just how good he actually is.

{Ed001's Note - I think I would have to go with the same choice. Also because it was the moment when he showed that he can be ruthless when needed. Klopp had been intending to give Karius the chance to redeem himself, but Karius arsed about with his LK1 'brand' rather than working to improve. So Klopp immediately went out and bought Alisson, just before everyone else jumped into the market for a keeper. It ended up causing a ripple effect which led to a panic buy of Kepa for a record fee for a keeper by Chelsea as they had missed out on Ali. So it also helped weaken a rival as Kepa was terrible.}

01 May 2024 17:31:44
Favourite Liverpool player of all time is Alisson. I don't think many people, including some of our own supporters, realise how good he is. Best goalie I've seen in my lifetime.

{Ed025's Note - hes a great keeper AW but for me Clemence was probably better if only for his longevity mate, im afraid he would struggle to get in the top 20 of all time great overall Liverpool players though, maybe you are quite young and dont remember the likes of Kenny, Souness, Rush, Keegan, Fowler, Hansen, Neale, Hunt, StJohn, Kennedy, Case, McDermott....and many many more i could mention....i tell you what make that top 50.. :)

01 May 2024 18:06:39
For me the best signing was 4th choice Mo Salah. Take away his agent trying to get him to Madrid since the day and hour he arrived and his odd little hissy fit but what an incredible player, that can’t be denied. So consistent over his time at Liverpool, even this season when he has shown signs of slowing down, still pops up with 20 odd goals. Sure there are right wingers but like Salah? Pure gold.

01 May 2024 18:25:46
You are not Live supporter Ed25. In your neutral view, who do you think is Klopp best signing?

{Ed025's Note - its between VVD, Alisson and Salah mfahmee, the thing is that i dont know how much input Klopp actually had mate..

01 May 2024 18:32:03
The hardest thing is football is scoring goals so it has to be one season wonder 4th choice Salah.

01 May 2024 18:56:19
Ed025 you left out your favourite there. Firmino.

{Ed025's Note - hes not in my top 20 Walkon, nice fella though but underwhelming as a footballer for me mate.. :)

01 May 2024 18:59:53
I d go Allison also but I think mane is also in the conversation. We immediately jumped in standards when he joined too.

01 May 2024 19:07:22
Matip has to be up there considering he was a free.

{Ed025's Note - if he was free...you were robbed Amorin.. :)

01 May 2024 19:22:47
Allison, Salah, VVD and Fabinho for me. All 4 of those equally. Ali, VVD and Fabinho gave us that solid platform for the rest to thrive. Great defences win titles. If you’re not solid at the back then you’re very very unlikely to win titles.

01 May 2024 20:08:53
Klopp had some input into VVD signing for Liverpool, they had a cosy up on the big dipper. VVD for me because he is the one we will miss the most. With Allison out and Mo not playing well we still ended up 3 points clear with 7 games to go.

01 May 2024 20:16:18
Alisson easy for me.
VVD and Salah not a million miles behind though.

01 May 2024 19:59:13
Im more the same age group as ED025, some amazing players over my lifetime. Sometimes forget just how good we have been. So hard to say best plater overall, but best keeper has to be Clemence. A keeper ahead of his time, Ali runs him a close second. Best Manager, PAISLEY always.

01 May 2024 20:36:26
Best keepers? Surely smeichal or van Der sar have to be up there also, bad spelling sorry.

01 May 2024 19:54:44
Ed025 you listed a load of great players there mate but no Barnes. Was that an oversight or do you not rate him?

{Ed025's Note - a bit of a brain fart im afraid Baz, right near the top of that list for me mate and one of the most skillful players i have ever seen mate..

01 May 2024 21:03:16
Alisson for me not only fantastic keeper but a humble lead by example kind of character in the dressing room and that for me is part of why Liverpool has had an amazing run since he arrived
The assist against United and the top corner finish in the dying minutes are bonuses but his ability with his hands make him one of my favourites.

01 May 2024 21:11:35
Mohammed Salah for me. Year in and year out, consistently was available to play, scored that minimum 20 goals a year, broke LFC records regularly and is just a serious professional always at work. Recent touchline hissy fit aside. Alisson and VVD are very serious contenders but just half a step behind Salah, for me.

01 May 2024 21:38:14
Vvd for me. the 1 player when he is out or not at his best we cannot make any attempt to replace.
Weve lost ali+ salah at different times threw the years but we got bye OK. When vvd out or plays below his best we allover the place defensively.

01 May 2024 22:45:35
Rodgers signed Firminho.
Any of the four of Alisson, VVD, Mane or Salah, for me.
Robertson has been outstanding value for what he cost, too.

01 May 2024 23:43:19
I’m with Digger - Virgil Van Dijk.

He’s what you call “a multiplier”. His presence improves all the players around him.
He gives more confidence to the fullbacks to roam forward. He allows the team to go full tilt on the high press. He gives confidence to all the other defenders and the goal keeper and is a calming influence.

We went from ”good team” to genuine challengers when we bought Virgil.

Salah is a brilliant player but Virgil made the difference to the team.

01 May 2024 23:53:03
Great shout about Robbo @Rigsby.

I’d go for Ali as the best ‘signing’ and Robbo as the ‘best value for money’ signing.

If you talk about the previous manger his best signing was Bobby and his best value for money signing (quite possibly in the club’s history) was Millie. Despite the fact Brendan was / is a self promoting tool he did have his moments.

02 May 2024 01:28:45
I mean does Salah even count as a Klopp signing? Yeah he signed off on it but he wanted Brandt and 2 others instead.

02 May 2024 07:56:42
Yes, Salah counts as a Klopp signing, fuser.

02 May 2024 08:00:58
This Salah is not Klopp signing is not much of a discussion is it? There is no way to know that if Brandt who Klopp want did come, he will not turn Brandt into a world class player. Plus Klopp have the final say on who we sign right, it mean that Salah will not happen if Klopp doesn't approve it.

02 May 2024 08:48:55
Another vote for Virgil.

02 May 2024 21:13:04
VVD and Alisson were demonstrable game changers.
We won the lot when we signed them.

01 May 2024 11:53:13


Nevada has written an article entitled, A quick fix to solve Liverpool's long-term problem?

01 May 2024 15:20:26
Really interesting read that, Nevada. Psychologically, football is such a hard sport. Because you don’t just let yourself down, or even your team mates, but millions of fans globally. It’s so well followed that it makes international headlines if you miss a sitter in a close game in the Premier League.

01 May 2024 18:33:20
Totally agree, the amount of times teams turn up and “expect” to win against either out of form teams or teams lower in the league or go ahead by 2 or three goals and “switch off” has always intrigued me.

01 May 2024 19:36:47
I've been doing this professionally for a few years now since switching from being a radiographer, I'm lucky enough that I've worked in bubdesliga, serie a and b, NHL and with a few track and field athletes.

Sport is littered with highly talented athletes who end up wasting that talent because psychologically they just weren't at the right level

I did get hired by an NFL team for a few months but that was an utter waste of time and I left very quickly. People viewed me like a witch doctor in that sport which is a shame because that is the sport with the worst mental health problems in my opinion. That and tennis.

02 May 2024 05:11:52
I think if you we’re putting a label on the attribute lacking it would be “composure” for both Nunez and Diaz, who seem to really struggle with the key chances they should score, and “awareness/ vision” for Salah, who though gets into good positions often fails to pick out a team mate on an even better one in favor of a shot. Attributes I would argue Mane was better in than all those mentioned. I know he’d lost his spark a little in the last season with us, but Mane’s skill set just hasn’t been replaced yet. The psychological aspect is fascinating though, I do wonder why it’s still not given the level of brevity it so clearly deserves in professional sport.

02 May 2024 15:30:14
"The psychologist in me says that the data suggests our strikers struggle with high pressure chances as they score more goals with low quality chances where they are not expected to score. This coincides with the fact that chances in the box are cramped chances that need to be snatched quickly and our strikers just can't do that at the moment. "

Nevada, this is so critical. Nunez esp., struggles with this and that partly is due to him lacking composure and calmness in front of goal and another one, is due to the type of abuse he gets from people who want him to fail at all costs esp. those in the media who give him NO grace at all when things don't come off for him. Then he, just lashes at things in 1 v 1 situations with so much panic in his approach play and touch cos he thinks if he misses, the sky will fall on him. It's tough.

Now can you coach composure? I don' know if you can cos either you got it or you don't. Look at Divock. IMO, the guy has ice in his veins in high pressure moments. Doesn't panic. Just takes the chance with the coolness of a polar bear's toe nails. Why? Cos his his laid back nature. As for Darwin, we may not be able to coach composure like Divock has. However, we can coach him up on how to take chances by recreating phases of play in training for him to recognise in games and then, finish the chances that way. Just a suggestion.

03 May 2024 00:24:08
If only we had a player that could regularly score 20 goals a season.
We could try to sell him to try and raise some money.
I hope that it wouldn't be another Divock Origi though. When was he ever a good finisher?

01 May 2024 06:54:50
If Klopp turns out to be a modern era shanks in terms of the way he turned the club around then we can only hope that Arne is the next Bob.

But how likely is that?

Well let's look at where we are. If we win our last three games that will leave us on 84 points (and I get that looks unlikely right now but go with me) . Unbelievably despite how dire this season appears to be ending that would be Klopp's fourth highest points total in his 9 year tenure.

Statistically 84 points would also be a very good performance historically. In the last 28 seasons (38 game seasons) 84 points would have won the league in 7 seasons. It would have seen you finish second in 21 of those years.

It would leave us 17 points better off than last year. City would only be 2 points better off and Arsenal 5 points better off.

Now I am as gutted as everybody else about how the season has panned out but I do believe when you look at it objectively Arne is picking the team up in quite a good place. Yes there are issues but compare it to the state of the club when Klopp took over. In Rodger's last full season we were 25 points behind the winner. In Klopps season we were 21 points behind. If we finish on 84 we would at most be 7 behind.

And we can all think of a list as long as our arm about things that could have gone better this year.

So given where we are, how close we are and how much room for improvement there is (both defensively and offensively) I think we have reason to be cautiously optimistic that Arne could take us to the next step.

01 May 2024 08:56:37
The club was in a far better position when Klopp took over than when Shankly did. Shankly rebuilt the club, really.

Ever the pessimist, I think Slot has a huge job to maintain where we are never mind take us to the next step.
We are where we are because of Klopp, really. And because we are a fairly well run club but we don't talk about finances so I won't go any further about that 😂.
If Slot is another Klopp, that's brilliant but it's highly unlikely.

Looking for positives, we have been third best this season and City will have their abdication to deal with before not too long, hopefully and Arsenal are a couple of seasons of development in front of us. If we continue to grow then would could narrow the gap but we need a spine like the one Arsenal is starting to finally grow again. If we could get a quality centre half, midfielder and another forward we could make the next step.

01 May 2024 09:49:35
Unfortunately there will never be another Paisley. The greatest manager of all time in my opinion
Up the pool.

01 May 2024 10:03:49
Completely different eras. You simply can’t compare football in the 60s to football today.

Back then any team could win the league, they didn’t need to be the richest club because clubs were much closer together in terms of finances.

In that sense it was easier for Shanks as the gap he needed to bridge wasn’t so big.

In another sense, because clubs were so close in terms of finance it was tougher because the league was so competitive with even the league winners losing regularly.

Today, all you need to do is beat City. End of story. They have by far the best squad because they have had by far the most money for 15 years and have been allowed to spend it as they wish.

That makes it harder because the gap from 8th place to City is huge. You simply can’t lose more than 3 or 4 games a season if you want to finish above them.

In another sense it’s easier because you only have to beat one team.

Either way, football has changed so much it’s futile to try to compare the era of Shanks and Paisley to Klopp and Slot. What will be will be.

01 May 2024 10:30:46
I look at things from a different angle. For personal reasons I dislike the American sports style of management structure. Edwards the boss, then a sports director and a football coach equivalent to a school P. E. Teacher. Not to forget managers for the dinner ladies and the tea swindle. Perhaps this structure will be very successful?
I prefer the old school style of a Klopp, Dalglish, Benitez, Paisley and finally the man who built the bedrock. Bill Shankly.
My way of looking at things. I have dealt with American style management that wants yes men and not strong minded independent types. They like their system.
I like Xabi Alonso and Ruebin Amorim because of my Sporting CP connections.
Good luck anyway. The world of football is changing.

01 May 2024 10:56:34
‘Yes men’ is such a silly and emotionally charged word, Yuri, at least in my opinion.

Everything that is good about humanity, all of its successes, have come from cooperation and teamwork. It is the key to everything.

Klopp understood that, at least initially, and was happy to delegate responsibility to all kinds of experts. Sports scientists, coaches, data analysts, even throw in coaches.

This attention to detail delivered our success, but has been gradually eroded over the last four seasons. Returning to this approach, as far as i am concerned, is crucial.

Furthermore, I think you’re fetishising the myth of the big strong man, the inspirational leader, a god like figure. Such myths are just that, myths. It subscribes to ‘The Great Man’ theory of history, which is critiqued and understood to be bogus by most modern day scholars.

Within the old Liverpool set up, there was a reliance on cooperation and delegation. The Boot Room wasn’t famous for no reason. It was never just Shanks or Paisley, but Fagan, Moran and senior players like Dalglish. Geoff Twentyman was one of the greatest scouts to ever do it and was vital to our success. Further afield, much has been written about Ferguson and his cooperation with David Gill, as well as his consistent rotation of coaches to bring in fresh ideas.

It’s not that the days of The Manager are gone, it’s that they never really existed. It’s the kind of mythologising that paints certain world leaders as totemic, god like figures, completely untouched by external influence, when the reality was very different. I think it is naive and slightly dangerous to boot.

Structures built on cooperation are not full of Yes Men, they are the opposite by definition. Discussion, scrutiny and more democratic decision making are a positive thing. The true Yes Men are working under leaders that don’t share any of the power, and don’t want their decisions challenged. That is the opposite of what this so called ‘American Style Management’ is trying to achieve.

01 May 2024 11:00:09
I should point out that I know you can’t compare like for like and nor was I trying. The comparison was simply that a period of great success followed a period of growth and change in attitudes.

01 May 2024 11:24:14
The original boot room were a collective - they all had a voice. They were generally very knowledgeable but also had specialist areas. They were different characters - Shanks was messianic, Sir Bob was ruthless, Uncle Joe was self effacing and so on. I witter on about the sum of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts and that was never more true than the original boot room and that is acknowledging that each of them was brilliant in their own way.

01 May 2024 11:12:38
Bob was a trophy machine. There’s no chance.

01 May 2024 11:13:42
I thought it was a good post Wassa. Agreed fully. Can’t deny that the last 4 seasons have flattered to receive at times, and at others just been simply woeful compared to the bar this group set themselves. However the first 5 seasons the job Klopp did was a remarkable turnaround. In fact pre-Klopp, our last 4 seasons would’ve been looked on as successful. He’s raised the bar so high that 4th, 2nd, 5th and 3rd place finishes with an FA Cup and two League Cups is now seen as under achievement. That would’ve been lauded as excellent in the first 10-15 years of this century. Klopp’s leaving us in a great position. The side he took over had won 1 League Cup under King Kenny in 9 years! Hats off to Klopp, regardless of whether he peaked in 2020. The drop off since hasn’t been so severe that it’s not recoverable. Slot is coming in to a very strong foundation.

01 May 2024 11:16:39
Not sure there can ever be another Paisley in this current era at LFC. As far as winning is concerened, he was an absolute one-off esp. at the time, IMO. Fergie couldn't hold a candle to him and a lot of the Utd fans know it.

Also remember, we were on top when Paisley took over and he took us up another couple of levels within his tenure that we were effectively the best team on the planet with the league and CL titles to back that up and then some.

If Slot even comes close to what Klopp has achived which is massive, he would have already sealed his own legacy as a legendary LFC manager. Here's to hoping he can do that.

01 May 2024 11:25:55
Anonymous Woolback
I don't live in your perfect world but you are definitely entitled to your opinion. When that is denied we are all in trouble. Unfortunately the world appears to be heading that way?
I have dealt with plenty of 'Yes-Men'. Cooperation should be mutual and not imposed. Take the Independent free thinkers from history and not much is less. You speak a bit like management-man yourself or an academic liberal.
Different views are important. Whomever takes over from Juergen Klopp will have an extremely difficult task. Things should continue for a bit because of his legacy. Then who knows?
Would Citeh be as good without Guardiola?

01 May 2024 11:48:20
Excellent post wassa.

01 May 2024 16:00:18
Slot is not having to do a rebuild job. It’s started. It’s sorting out the defence and looking at the attack, with a defensive midfielder also crucial. MacAllister has been a great signing. Hopefully he will get the best out of Szobo.

01 May 2024 16:53:18
Well some are saying no chance, but as fans we can at least hope so! Why not?
Good post Wassa.

02 May 2024 05:13:30
I think if we want Slot to do we’ll we need to give him time, patience, and a clean slate. Drawing comparisons with Paisley isn’t going to help.

{Ed025's Note - how there is even a comparison to Bob amazes me Seano, Slot has not even managed a Lverpool side yet mate ffs..

02 May 2024 09:26:29
Walkon, without googling it to be certain I’m pretty sure firmino was a Brendan Rodgers signing.

02 May 2024 09:28:39
I’d go with mane or Fabinho as being right up there, we’ve looked absolutely toothless in both midfield and attacki since they departed, for maybe 2 seasons Fabinho was undoubtedly the best defensive midfielder on the planet.

30 Apr 2024 23:23:14
Repp, who played in the 1974 and 1978 World Cup finals for Holland (it was a great team, by the way), is quoted on Talk Sport website as saying that Slot can win the Premiership in his first season. I am not saying we will, but what a great endorsement of Slot by a very-good former player.

01 May 2024 08:51:43
That would be absolutely marvellous if Mr Slot could do this. A few managers if I recall correctly won the league at the 1st attempt.
If he does win the league how many people will put the praise on klopp though?

01 May 2024 09:54:40
Managing at Feyernoord is nothing like Liverpool. He had much less competitive teams, virtually no pressure and no egos to deal with.

I wish him the best, but it's a huge gamble. Although, to be fair, every option was.

01 May 2024 09:59:13
If we win the League next season people can praise whoever they want!
If we don't, I won't blame Johnny Rep.
He was ok in Pirates of the Caribbean and Donnie Brasco but I don't know what his football knowledge is like.

01 May 2024 11:20:16
Come on, GHIATI9. Never heard the guy speak for years if not decades and now, he's talking? He could have given a full endorsement of Slot (like many have done) without speaking such nonsense. Not arsed about such statements cos even Repp himself knows that ain't going to happen.

01 May 2024 15:02:04
Stop all the negativity! We like it or not, a new era is on the way, and we should embrace it with all trepidation but not doom and gloom.

I'm just going to enjoy it, and I advise you do the same! Either way, the team needs a refresh; we've been playing really badly the last couple of games, so let's sow up this season and this era and move to the next.
Say whatever you like but there were very few options available anyway for a manager to replace Klopp, so l3ts stop longing for what's not practical. Ed002 made a good call on Slot and that's good enough for me. For now. Support your team!

01 May 2024 16:01:02
Let’s get behind Slot and give him all the support he deserves.

01 May 2024 18:41:17
This season hasn't finished yet 😏⚽️✌.

{Ed025's Note - you may be in the minority there i think Laddie mate.. :)

01 May 2024 23:56:56
It might start again at the weekend if we win and Arsenal and City were to lose. We’d need a good supply of tablets for next week if that were the case 😀.

30 Apr 2024 20:54:22
Hi Ed 01
Can I have your opinion mate, I like what you think for next year with Trent, szobo, beck, . If we sell Diaz and mo and bring in top quality centre back and forward, do you think we need a commanding centre mid like rice or rodri to compete with arsenal and city?
Personally I think we do but would appreciate your view.
Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - it would help, but there are other ways to play that would mean it wouldn't necessarily be needed. It is the easy solution though to improve midfield. But who is there out there?}

30 Apr 2024 23:28:48
Surely koopmeiners would be top of the list considering his past with slot?

As another poster said he's not the best defensively nor is Trent macca or szob so do we need a specialist 6 or not?

Twitter seems to think the young Dutch 6 at feyenoord is the next best thing but that would be a massive risk.

01 May 2024 06:46:49
Ed1, we all can see how Rice has transform Arsenal into legit title contender or how the likes of Alisson, Van Dijk or Salah has transform us into contender since they coming to our club. Do you see any player out there that can do that for us for next season? It doesn't have to be any positions, just player that can elevate our squad to the next level.

{Ed001's Note - not that we could get, no. I am sure there are some out there, but I can't think of any.}

01 May 2024 07:11:35
Perhaps Romeo lavia, see if he wants to play for a decent team😄 . Thanks for your reply.

01 May 2024 07:34:26
I always felt that we should've went all out for rice 2-3 years ago, he was the transformative signing we needed in that area of pitch.
Would've added physical strength+size, leadership, availability virtually always, a v v good footballer and could cover if need me all 3 positions in midfield and also cb. used to premier league so no problem adapting either.
U should be going for a player like that when your on top of the tree, like utd done buying keane after they won there 1st league in years
Unfortunately as ed1 says I can't think of anybody able to.

01 May 2024 08:34:34
Ed1, I guess getting the right tactics is the way to go. Tactics that will suits our first eleven as a whole and not just something to suit one player. So I say scrap the inverted full back tactic is one. My only concern is, I've seen report that Slot also play with inverted RB with Gertruida. I'm worried it will be the same as we have now.

{Ed001's Note - from what I have been told, Slot is very much a proponent of the inverted full-back.}

01 May 2024 08:55:25
With rice in our team I feel we would be sitting top of the league and heading to the eufa cup final.
Was gutted he went to Arsenal.
For me he's made a big difference to that Arsenal team.

01 May 2024 10:06:58
If Rice joined us Negative you’d just slate him the same way you slate all of our players and you’d be saying we should’ve signed Guimaraes instead.

01 May 2024 10:33:05
The inverted full back could work if your defenders can defend and get back into position, surely?
Our problems are VVD and TAA are both quite languid -for want of a better word- and Robertson still likes to get forward a lot.
We just need to be more defensively focussed and keep the ball further up the field when the fullback inverts.

01 May 2024 11:21:21
Yes, he is Ed01. Also, Slot loves wingers like kids love candy.

{Ed001's Note - ugh. The inverted full-back, a solution to a problem that never existed and which creates a brand new set of problems.}

01 May 2024 13:30:15
Would he have been the one putting the ball in the back of the net, because let's not forget, that has been the problem with Liverpool these last few games.

01 May 2024 14:37:47
I hate the inverted full back. We are so lopsided no width whatsoever on the right so we can't stretch teams. It seems wo easy to defend and your relying on trent playing a 1 in 100 pass to make it worth it. If we want trent in the middle so badly play him there and get a fullback who doesn't mind getting chalk on his boots because salah and elliot should be closer to the goal imo.

30 Apr 2024 21:12:54
Why o why do they allow Howard Webb on tv with that other clown Michael Owen (the nodding dog) . It’s actually embarrassing hearing Webb defend incompetence, I’m not surprised that clubs and managers are now speaking out because Webb needs to go! Why can’t he just come out and say that it was a mistake because we already know it was a mistake so now instead of simply making a mistake they are also liars or delusional…personally I can accept errors but the blatant denial and whitewashing over errors is infuriating.

30 Apr 2024 22:10:01
The game is officiated by humans?

So goal line technology? The only decisions we can rely on - artificial intelligence.

30 Apr 2024 22:23:58
its
a joke and noddy Owen plays the perfect role , yes it's a joke but not funny.

30 Apr 2024 22:27:24
Michael Owen, a nodding dog? Good job Bobby Madley wasn’t there given his interest in the canine species.

30 Apr 2024 23:30:14
Im surprised Owen never had the courage to argue back considering the risks he took to throw his apple in the bin in front of his mother.

01 May 2024 00:25:27
Webbs explanation had more holes in it than a hookers tights! The onfield ref repeated in the audio at least 5 times ‘ played the ball’, VAR can clearly see that the defender didn’t play the ball and so the ref has made a clear and obvious error. Webbs response was basically, we don’t just rely on what the refs say they saw Var also review the footage to see if an error was made? Emmm hello the ref has literally stated he made an error and VAR looked at the incident and could clearly see the defender didn’t play the ball I mean could there be a more clear cut case of ‘clear and obvious error’? And STILL Webb uses wishy washy relies like we would have liked to see an intervention and maybe the outcome would have been different…I mean honestly incompetence aside does the PGMOL not have a PR team or at least one idiot that might point out the glaringly obvious.

01 May 2024 02:57:16
we all know the clear and obvious error thing is just stupid. they need to change that. as long as that is the standard then we will always have this issue.

and agreed, these TV spots for Webb hosted by Owen are a waste of time. If they want proper scrutiny, it should be him on Soccer Saturday or whatever that review show with stephen warnock is. The ex-refs they ahve there get the tough questions, but they really need to be aimed at Webb.

01 May 2024 07:42:26
The only problem with having VAR run by AI is that eventually Howard Webb will be replaced by a T-2000 and I think we all know what happens after that.

01 May 2024 10:19:57
I get the premise behind the clear and obvious rule. They want the ref on the pitch to ref the game and for VAR to intervene as little as possible and only when the ref has made a glaring error.

In theory that’s a good idea but it doesn’t take into account the psychology of the on field ref.

Because VAR is there the refs don’t make big decisions because they think VAR will help them out if they’re wrong. Then VAR tie themselves in knots trying not to go against the on field ref’s non decision which he only gave because he thought they’d get involved.

So you end up with an absolute sh@tshow where nobody wants to give decisions as they are both passing the buck to each other.

It won’t happen anytime soon but we need independent, specialist VAR operatives who are nothing to do with the PGMOL and are not afraid to tell a referee he cocked up. They should basically audit the ref’s decisions in real time and pull them up if they call something wrong. The ref should have no relationship with the VAR so there’s no bias in someone bailing out their mate. Until then we will keep getting what we are getting.

01 May 2024 11:22:35
Seriously, who pays attention to this fraudster and his wretched accomplice at this point?

30 Apr 2024 11:34:58
It's on some sites that a lip reader has stated that Mo said to Klopp, i will get red carded I've been here 7 years. Wow, if that is true that is bang out of order by Mo.

30 Apr 2024 12:33:49
that's a hilarious accusation I highly doubt it, think everyone is taking this to seriously people argue and have disagreements move on I bet if you look at training photos everyone will be smiling and forgotten about it.

30 Apr 2024 12:34:48
I think Klopp just wanted him to stand together with Nunez and Gomez as subs were made instead of sulking on his own. He has disrespected his manager his fellow team mates and the fans who supported him to get to this level. Get gone you fowl little man remember Liverpool fc will always be bigger and better than any single player. We put you on the map Mo and you act like this I hope to not see him play again.

30 Apr 2024 12:46:20
I wonder if it’s the same lip readers that tried to get Suarez off the hook 🤔.

30 Apr 2024 12:52:57
I agree nicol.

30 Apr 2024 12:56:55
Kloppers, indeed. I do agree that Salah should not have shown up his manager (who he owes his career to, btw) in public. No player should do that to his manager. Apart from that and from desperate media hacks looking for a controversy to nibble on, there's nothing to see here, personally. a.

30 Apr 2024 14:31:55
What do you reckon Oli, salah nets against spurs, runs over to the touch line high fives Klopp and jumps into his arms? All forgotten in best way possible.

30 Apr 2024 14:51:13
Salah doesn't owe his career to Klopp and the club didn't put Salah on the map.
Liverpool and Salah have been great for each other and there's no reason that can't continue for another season at least.
As for Klopp, he's very much a hands on manager. One of the lads with his hugs, handshakes, fist bumps, celebrations and general demeanour.
I can imagine him having the crack and bantering with the players. I can imagine him using some colourful language and letting players know when he is not happy and I can also imagine him taking some back if one of his players did it.
Klopp says it's "done" and I'll take his word for it.

30 Apr 2024 14:57:03
How does he owe his career to Klopp?

30 Apr 2024 17:01:42
Totally agree Rigsby. Salah has been a consummate professional and deserves all the plaudits for his time at Liverpool - Klopp has got the best out of him during his time. Neither made the other.

30 Apr 2024 17:20:32
Think we just need to move on rather than over-analyse.

30 Apr 2024 18:17:32
Ah c'mon nicol and Salah, one spat in 7 years undo's all the good? this man has maybe along with De Bruyne been the most consistent and brilliant player in the league these past 7 years. Yis live by high standards lads.

30 Apr 2024 19:34:18
If I did a great job for 7 years and then behaved like that towards my boss you best believe I’m getting fired, Jude. Maybe some people are simply sick of footballers and managers getting away with pathetic behaviour because of their asset value?

In the grand scheme of things, Klopp and Salah’s spat is minor compared to what goes on with some players at other clubs. Wouldn’t even break into the top 10 for embarrassing moments at Man United under EtH. But it wasn’t a comfortable watch seeing two absolute Liverpool legends behaving that way on camera. Nothing will happen because it is football and this is part of why we’re raising a generation of entitled brats right now. Modern celebrities don’t suffer consequences and they are sadly the role models for our children.

30 Apr 2024 19:45:48
MKS, nah you ain't getting fired if you flew off the handle for the first time in 7 years, bro esp. if you did GREAT work for all those years.

In fact, your manager would be very shocked to see you get really p. ed off and will think that there must have been something that really got you to crack like that as it's the first time you're doing it. Just my take.

{Ed025's Note - Oli, but dont you think that Mo should go on the record and apologize?, after all you cant talk and gesture to the head honcho like that in public mate, it would solve everything imo...or does Salah think he is too big to make an act of contrition?, if he does he will really go down in my estimation..

30 Apr 2024 19:47:51
Yes, Salah owes Klopp his career cos it was Klopp who literally built the attacking side of our scheme around him by having him play much closer to goal than he was doing at Roma. Salah said so himself during his first season when he was asked how it was possible for him to be scoring all those goals, something he never did previously.

30 Apr 2024 20:49:02
Agree with rigsby. Klopp and Salah won those trophies together and neither would have any without the other. That's just simple truth.

I don't think Salah should have publicly argued with klopp like that (or any manager) but klopp has been throwing Salah and Nunez under the bus lately by insinuating the losses were because of them not finishing chances. Diaz, Jones are just as guilty but no shade for them and everyone bar Mac has been awful for weeks.

It doesn't entitle Salah to fall out in public like that but it does explain his feelings.

30 Apr 2024 20:57:05
Somethings been wrong for a few weeks now, players seem to of downed tools. Maybe it's down to klopps personality at the moment, we don't know what's happening behind the scenes. But it doesn't seem a nice place anymore, perhaps the players feel let down by klopp leaving them whilst in a title race. Not blaming just mo here, never been in his nature before so would love to know what klopp said also.

{Ed025's Note - i hope he said "hey you! you are one of the highest paid players in the world so get on the bloody pitch and perform instead of sulking you prick"..

30 Apr 2024 20:58:19
I thought Salah and mane owed their careers to Bobby.

They wouldn’t have scored without him.

{Ed025's Note - im afraid you all looked at bobby through red tinted glasses JK, he was ok but nothing more mate, flitted in and out of games for me and was a luxury that you could afford at the time with 2 excellent players either side of him..

30 Apr 2024 20:58:49
Also let's not forget mo was a very very good player at roma too, and klopp didn't even want him as his first choice.

30 Apr 2024 21:11:19
My wife is brilliant at lip reading and that's why we have the best spare bed on the market, she thinks it was bought for the in-laws but oh no it was not
1 nil me.

30 Apr 2024 21:45:50
My friend is also a lip reader and was at the game. From his angle he had the benefit of also seeing Klopp. That is what the papers are missing. This is the full conversation.

As Salah's getting ready. Klopp says " I think you need a haircut Mo"

Salah did not take kindly to this as he got a haircut last week. "I'll go red"

Klopp losing it " that would be a ridiculous haircut for you. It wouldn't suit you one bit"

Salah " I'm a grown man. I'll get any haircut I want. "

It was at this point that Nunez interjected and said

" I go ball kick now"

30 Apr 2024 22:17:41
If your manager annoys you just before you go on the pitch, you go and silence him on the pitch.

That’s the deal.

You don’t act the “big I am” on the touchline.

Do your job, perform on the pitch then no-one criticises you.

Arguing with the boss? That’s an argument you’re never going to win.

30 Apr 2024 23:14:15
ED025 has called it . Spot on.

01 May 2024 01:02:48
Exactly Ron.

Jude Nkunku, nobody is saying otherwise. We all know how good he's been and he will always be remembered for it, a Liverpool legend for sure but at the same time this with Klopp what happened the other day won't be soon forgotten either. None of us know what was said but he should never of acted the way he did, it's unprofessional.

Love it, Davey.

01 May 2024 05:02:46
I don't think it is such a big deal Ed25. De Bruyne and Pep bickered more than once on the touchline in the past, but everyone doesn't make a big deal out of it. Plus we don't even know what is being said between Klopp and Salah. Everyone is making a guess.

Maybe because its Salah, and he is never known to be a big egomaniac or having any kind of attitude problems in the past. This is the first time this happen with Salah. And everyone is making a big deal out of it. I can understand the problem if its coming from someone who has attitude problems.

{Ed025's Note - i just think we have to move on now mfahmee, its really dragging on now mate, in my day the 2 of them would sort it out in the car park and have done with it..

01 May 2024 07:14:36
That is all good Ed25. Its just that there are things that is being said about him that is unfair to be honest. Some is even borderline racist. From Liv supporters nonetheless. Its really is shameful.

01 May 2024 08:05:57
Re ed025 - good job money eliminates mental health issues. To be honest I dunno why we don't just pay people more when they seem to be having a hard time.
Dad's died? Come one mate we pay you a lot of money get over it.

I'm being a tad hyperbolic but you can see my point, just because someone is paid well doesn't mean mental health issues, major or minor, don't affect them. It's a silly thing to say. It would be like telling someone to get over cancer because they're getting paid well.

{Ed025's Note - why do you presume that Mo has mental health issues Nevada?, or are you his shrink?

01 May 2024 08:42:29
Can’t say I’ve read anything regarding Klopp or indeed Salah’s race until mfahmee’s post.

I’m sure the Eds would deal with racism quickly and decisively.

Mfahmee, if you suspect someone is being racist you should report it to the Eds directly instead of accusing people (the whole Liverpool supporter fanbase) in a post.

01 May 2024 09:15:27
Klopp said it's "done".
What else needs to be done? Do the fans that had to see it need an apology? 😂 Do they want an apology because Salah was allegedly sarcastic to his boss and they might not get away with it in their job?
Klopp might be unhappy with Salah, his form and his attitude but that incident is "done" and we should move on.

Over to you, Harry and Jude 😂.

01 May 2024 11:24:55
Ed25, not sure Klopp cares about any of that especially if it has already been handled behind closed doors.

{Ed025's Note - i just want it all to end now Oli thats all, i say address the elephant in the room and repair this festering wound mate, its doing the club no favours at all imo..

01 May 2024 11:44:56
It’s like listening to / watching a Les Dawson sketch. It was two grown men having a disagreement and then moving on. The amount of rubbish it has generated in the press and social media is indicative of people having way too much time on their hands a first world problem par excellence.

01 May 2024 15:42:41
just need a celebrity death match between them, using Mo's haircut and Klopps teeth . let's get it on.