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16 Jul 2015 17:12:10
Hi Eds, I know this may be a complicated issue, but with regards to the genteel situation, what does his release clause entail? I've always thought that a release clause only meant that the club had to tell the player that an offer was made for them, and a buy out clause meant that the player would be sold if they agreed to the move. However, Sherwood said that if a 32 mil offer came for Benteke, he would be powerless. I didn't realise a release clause could be that powerful.

Cheers and sorry for the long answer.

The Shrewsbury Red

{Ed002's Note - An apt time for the question and perhaps I can explain it in easy to understand terms. I should say that this is a horribly complex area not least because they are written under individual national laws.

The "buy out" clause is legally binding between a club and a player. The "buy out" is effectively what it says - a means for the player to buy himself out of the contract. As an example, if a player wishes to buy himself out of a contract, he pays the applicable FA the amount of the "buy out" clause effectively becoming a free agent. The problem is that in most cases a player would need to obtain that money from the buying club - and this is fraught with issues regarding "tapping up" and, of course, taxation as it can be seen as income for the player and would therefore be subject to income tax. There was a test case about the taxation issue in Spain about three years ago. So "bouy out" clauses are very rare.

A "release clause" is far more common in that it gives a figure that the club would accept for the sale of a player to another club - but it is not legally binding except where both parties are in the same country (for the sake of argument I should say that Spain and Portugal count as the same country as do England and Wales). These are normally unreasonably high figures (Messi at Barcelona for example) introduced to act as a deterrent for hostile bids - and even then the club could easily block a move. However, if a club does agree to match a release clause then the selling club would be obliged to ask the player if he is interested - there is no obligation on the player to make a move. Examples are Goetze who decide he wanted to move and Cavani who, regardless of two offers that were made in 2012 that matched or equated to his then "release clause" recognised Napoli did not want to sell and could block a move abroad and he accepted a new package. Since then Napoli said they will listen to offers of €60M or so and indeed accepted a bid the following summer - which is of course different.

There is then the becoming popular "termination clause" which is binding between the player and the club and if met would see an offer from anywhere accepted and the player given the opportunity to make a call on a move. This overcomes the issues associated with "buy out" clauses as the money would be paid by one club to another.}


1.) 16 Jul 2015 17:33:05
Really informative! Thanks for the ed02

{Ed002's Note - Thank you.}


2.) 16 Jul 2015 18:29:34
Top class Ed02, thank you.


3.) 16 Jul 2015 19:12:37
Can players used to meet the buyout clause ed

{Ed002's Note - If the selling club is interested, sure.}


4.) 16 Jul 2015 19:17:15
Is they're anything Ed02 doesn't know?
I'll answer this for you.
No
Thanks for all the great info ed maybe you should write a book bout the real facts of football

{Ed002's Note - I really don't know.}


5.) 16 Jul 2015 19:55:03
Agree - thanks Ed - always a pleasure to learn something new - very well explained as well - thanks!


6.) 16 Jul 2015 22:45:35
Absolutely brilliant reply ed, such informative reply as always, magnificent job you eds do, thank you for your time it is much appreciated by most if not all.


7.) 17 Jul 2015 00:40:46
Ed002 books a great idea corruption in fifa ueffa then some tasty titbits about underhand transfers backhanders agent corruption clubs shenanigans last chapter could be a tell all about pep reina and jonjonjo and sakhos personal grooming skills i would defo buy a copy of that find out what goes on in the euro break away and teams involved and sakhos grooming services and fees and does he do extras lol


8.) 17 Jul 2015 02:28:48
Just to confirm, Benteke has a release clause, not a buy-out or termination clause, right?

Thanks for the info ed002


 

 

 

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14 May 2017 19:50:04
Apologies if soemone's already asked, but is there a match review on the way Ed 001?

The Shrewsbury Red

{Ed001's Note - I will have to do it tomorrow as I am still doing the match preview for tomorrow night's match.}


1.) 14 May 2017 20:38:26
No problem Ed, looking forward to it.


2.) 14 May 2017 20:49:01
I have to be honest Shrewsbury, now we have won I would prefer to move on to the Eds review of those Jaw dropping Cheerleading Moments he has kindly advertised on the site. Less interested in Susan Boyle however.


 

 

15 Jan 2017 22:10:51
A question for the eds.

Herrera' s cynical foul on Firmino today was only given a yellow, and I'm not saying it should have been a red, but haven't new rules been brought in regarding fouls with no intent to play the ball?
I remember Xhaka being sent off (Straight red), for tripping someone who ran past him on the halfway line earlier in the season.

Apologies if I am mistaken, or it has been covered before,

Cheers

The Shrewsbury Red

{Ed002's Note - It is at the discretion of the referee.}


1.) 16 Jan 2017 02:01:59
I'd be more concerned about rooneys cowards challenge on Milner


2.) 16 Jan 2017 10:02:01
I hate to see that much cynicism on the pitch, we were clearly on a dangerous break and when it's as obvious an illegal attempt to stop an Attack like that I think it should be punished far more than a yellow which often gets given for just a mistimed or desperate tackle.

What really should have been a red though was Pogba on Henderson. that was outrageous.


3.) 16 Jan 2017 11:05:09
Pogba so blatantly grabbing and throwing Hendo to the ground in the box really annoyed me. And instead they get a free-kick in a dangerous position!? >: (

Any chance of retrospective punishment for sth like that eds? Since the ref obviously didn't see it. Totally not ok imo.
Thanks

{Ed002's Note - Of course not.}


4.) 16 Jan 2017 12:43:12
So Pogba, Herrera and Rooney should have been sent off 😂😂. Why don't we make it a zero contact game then? Rooney was mistimed not intentional and you see them week in week out. Herrera took one for the team on the half way line, not when your through on goal with just thenkeeper to beat. You see that week in week out. Are you telling me that's now a red card offence? Jesus Christ


5.) 16 Jan 2017 13:05:41
My gripe with Herrera is that he made that many niggly fouls before that incident he should have already been on a yellow by then.

As for Rooney his tackle was infinitely worse than Lovrens and yet there wasn't even a booking awarded. On the subject of Lovren I don't like the way United players reacted (again) . It's a Jose trait in his teams that i don't like one bit.

To balance the above out, I personally think firminio could have maybe should have gone for the push back. It was entirely brainless.


6.) 16 Jan 2017 13:47:42
Can Pogba be done retrospectively for his rugby tackle on Hendersons.
I thought referees were meant to clamp down on that once the ball was in play


7.) 16 Jan 2017 14:04:51
It was poor refereeing but it's not red for Pogba on Hendo. there were plenty of united players back fr Firmino's break, so not a red, but Herrera as usual embarrassed himself with the play acting grabbing his face. (the FA need to look at incidents like that) Rivaldo was given retrospective action in the world cup years ago for the same silly stunt. I hate the play acting grabbing faces, it's pathetic.
Rooneys was a late challenge, yellow at best.


8.) 16 Jan 2017 14:10:28
Stand united. take your united tinted glasses off. You were lucky to escape with a point at home. First good team you have played in your unbeaten run. and you came up short. We will have to give u a cup for going unbeaten and moving from 6th to 6th! Great going!


9.) 16 Jan 2017 14:30:07
Rodney's and millers was 50 50 imo they both went in missed the ball Rodney's foot was higher. Progba was just stupid and a red. Herriara was just embarrassing and should not be allowed in the game and the play acting was bad but on rules frimino should have walked


10.) 16 Jan 2017 20:34:48
Spot on, lfcdiamond. Don`t care for the fouls on either side as the ref dealt with those correctly on the pitch. Stand, Utd have scored 5 offside goals int he last 4-6 games and only an (you guessed it) offside goal got you back in the game so stop mouthing off cos we fielded an under strength team (including an 18 yr old RB who held his own vs Martial), took your best shot (playing stoneage football with Sam Allerdyce tactics) and still couldn`t make a dent in our 5 point lead on you.

Your team is the most expensive team in PL history but all you could muster was an offside goal? Klopp still owns Mou in head to head as well and is undefeated at OT. Must be frustrating to know that prior to your run, you were 6th and even till now, you are still 6th.


11.) 16 Jan 2017 21:37:24
Firstly, my post was regarding the so called red card incidents. If any of you think they were reds your embarrassing yourself. Secondly, and Hamilton, especially for you, you constantly talk crap, we beat Spurs, are they not a good team now? We beat Sunderland, did you manage that? And we play stone age football do we? You haven't watched the last two months worth of games then no? If changing tactic mid game to get a result is a bad thing then more fool you. You think football canning be played one way and one way only? Well had br had the initiative to change his style once you would have a title now. Instead 23 years and counting. As for awarding cups, your the only big English club without it. Must be had to take. Klopps lost his last 5 cup finals. Hardly the messiah is he. Can't wait to see it all come crumbling down


12.) 16 Jan 2017 22:28:42
Stand - the rules are quite clear, if you go into a tackle with studs raised - as Rooney did on Milner - that is dangerous play and a straight red card. 50-50 doesn't come into it, it was dangerous play, there is no argument. A handball in the box denying a goalscoring opportunity is also a red card - Suarez at World Cup- but Pogba didn't even get booked.


13.) 17 Jan 2017 14:09:12
Ron, but no mention of your defender denying Southampton with his arm on the goal line when redmond hit the bar the other nightV its double standards at its very best


14.) 17 Jan 2017 18:34:44
Again. imaginary hand balls viewed via united coloured glasses. Obsessed with Liverpool. u sure u really support united stand? On the liverpool page an awful lot! Lol something u want to tell us? Come on. it's ok.


 

 

01 Nov 2016 19:53:47
Hi eds and reds
As you know, we talk about transfers and how successful we think they were a lot on this page. So I was wondering, who do you all regard as the most successful transfer, from the 14/ 15 season onwards? (So the Lovren/ Lallana window onwards) .

Also, who do you think we'll look back on in a few years as being a great signing, who we may not appreciate now? Sorry if that's a bit vague.

Personally I think Firmino was a great signing, and I'm tipping Emre Can to be a big player in a season or two.

The Shrewsbury Red

1.) 01 Nov 2016 20:12:34
Firmino for now. Though we did overpay for him.
3 years down the line Divock Origi. We have a 20 goal a season striker if he fulfils even half his potential.


2.) 01 Nov 2016 21:44:22
Firmino for me . Could be mane at the end of the season with Matip .


3.) 01 Nov 2016 21:54:13
Firmino, Can, Matip

I agree I think Can will really mark his place this season, I also believe given the change Ings will prove to be vital for us should he get his chance and of course Origi.

Some may give me a dig for it but Karius, I think he will prove to be exactly what we needed, give the lad time and he's going to shine.

Out of recent new signings my favourites must be Matip and Mane -Matip is quality and it hasn't taken him much time to get settled, we have a strong young lad there we've needed somebody like this for along time.

Mane is up there with Coutinho and Firmino, top class talent and under Klopp he will only improve which is exciting.


4.) 01 Nov 2016 22:02:16
Firmino. He is a level above everyone and in his own league. He is on par with KDB and Hazard in the league.


5.) 01 Nov 2016 22:45:34
Spot on, LFC16. I am ready to give our boys time to prove themselves, Karius include because had we all yielded to knee jerk reactions, would we have the Hendo, Can, Lallana, Lovren and so on, tearing it up right now? Migs had ample time to take the spot of GK as his own and after three years, he has failed. That is not Karius' fault. Migs own awful play is the reason Karius is here and he should be supported as he adapts to the team and the PL. All this knitpicking of his play is just disingenuous, IMO. Let's support him and give him confidence and if after three years like Migs, he fails then he too would will bite the dust.


6.) 02 Nov 2016 00:35:59
Pound for pound it has to be Matip.
But Origi looks great business as well.


7.) 02 Nov 2016 10:10:49
Matip because he was free and looks very assured at the back.

Firmino as, despite the huge transfer fee, is just getting better and better - easily one of the best players in the league right now.


 

 

31 Oct 2016 22:43:58
Ed 001, if you've got the time. I know you get these questions a lot, but what was Smicer like as a player?
I'm too young to have seen him play, but have heard good things from my older brother/ dad. Haven't see his name mentioned a lot, so was curious. Thanks in advance, and apologies if it's been asked Bedfordshire.

The Shrewsbury Red

{Ed001's Note - Smicer was one of those players I liked before he arrived but could never really take to as a Liverpool player because of his injury problems. It was only when I got to talk to some of the staff at the club that I began to have a different appreciation of his issues and how so much was more the fault of the lack of professionalism of the club than anything else. For instance, Liverpool never did dental checks or looked after the player's teeth back then (I will have to ask if they do now as it is something I am not sure if we do thinking about it) and a lot of his injuries turned out to be related to dental problems. Bad teeth or gum problems can cause a lot of injury problems, which is something a physio would only exacerbate, rather than fix.

He was one of those players that was highly skilled but lightweight, so he could often be knocked off the ball by a stronger opponent in English football. However he did have an excellent workrate and a genuine affection for the club, which made him work that little bit harder. One of the things that did endear me to him was that, in the instances I saw of him, he was always happy to talk to fans and sign autographs. He also popped up and scored vital goals, 2005 Champions League final for instance!

It is just a shame that he was never really able to show what he could do with a run of games to settle into the side in the long term.

Oh, you will be glad to know, it has never been asked Bedfordshire before! ;-)


1.) 01 Nov 2016 08:27:31
Hahaha thanks Ed, just checking, you never know!

{Ed001's Note - you are very welcome.}


2.) 01 Nov 2016 08:37:11
That's a joke isn't it. You really think th club are at fault for not arranging dental checks for multimillionaire footballers? Is that a joke. What other work place does that, apart from. provide insurance.

Surely he would of felt something was up with his mouth, even a little but of a sensitivity causes enough pain, let alone problems that are going to affect your entire body.

Not having a go at you ed, just think its ridiculous myself.

Players are paid highly to protect themselves as well as for there skills, its not just a take market. Your provided with everything at the top end of the game to make sure you are 150% each and every day. You can afford the best food, equipment, specialists, professionals, chefs etc etc, you don't have any stress about money problems, certain aswel the club provide people to look after your bills, mortgages etc.

So you literally just have to eat well, train hard and game hard. That's your life.

{Ed001's Note - I am talking about finding hidden problems, which the club should do to protect their highly paid, incredibly expensive assets. If you are paying millions for something, you should check every single aspect to make sure there are no underlying issues. If you think it is ridiculous, let's just drop all medicals then, as they are obviously a waste of time, these footballers are rich so they should sort it all themselves. The ridiculous thing was your comment, which was clearly ill-thought out and just came from bitterness at the riches on offer to players.}


3.) 01 Nov 2016 09:05:28
I understand what your saying supermane players should no and want to take the responsibility on themselves. But what ed is saying is even if the players are doing it all, surely the club should be doing it also even as a double checking. If karius for example said don't worry lfc I've been fully checked no need to check again, are you going to take his word for it or say that's fine we'll just double check to make sure? your spending millions i'd be checking everyday twice a day for that much lol.


4.) 01 Nov 2016 09:13:39
supermane, i would think the thorough medical checkups is to protect the club, its not for the player.

when you buy something, do you make sure it works there and then or bring it back home and see if it works?

a complete medical checkup is crucial to making sure u mitigate as much risks as possible.


5.) 01 Nov 2016 09:47:30
The military provide dental checks, and if you work in counties with no NHS you would be looking at their medical and dental plans. To be honest our well played players taking up the time of NHS dentists is just bad publicity waiting to happen, a young lad moves here and has to settle in to the culture, new club and struggles with the language the club should be taking care of everything. We need to be ultra profesional, the amature way we have run the club in the past has been highlighted by the way UTD have been run in the prem era, and their success because of it.


6.) 01 Nov 2016 09:54:46
This is why firmino keeps so injury free! Great teeth!


7.) 01 Nov 2016 09:58:49
Your all talking about inital medicals, like buying a really expensive millionaire and not checking if he has a acl injury. Yes needed.

Ed critism was Liverpool didn't provide dental. check ups throughout smicers career, after the ibutal medical. My point is that if smicer is getting these injuries, or gor gum problems its his job to make sure he is doing everything he can to be fit.

You can't then say he suffered with injuries and it was liverpoola fault. He was paid highly enough to look after himself.

{Ed001's Note - sorry but that is simply not true. He is an expensive asset that the club should have looked after. French clubs do it, in fact most clubs do, just that English footie is still in the medieval era.}


8.) 01 Nov 2016 10:35:15
This explains why Darren Anderton was such a sick note! And he looked like a horse, so teeth should have been top of the priority list!


9.) 01 Nov 2016 10:59:46
My personal feeling is people act better with responsibility's and having none just makes you irresponsible. Its getting that daft now that if a players house was on fire they would call the clubs liaison officer instead of the fire service.

A player can take himself the dentist, the doctors. If he is struggling with injuries over and over and he has ruled our everything he possibly can then surely you. take yourself to a specialist to see if there's anything you couldn't check.


Noone can no your own body aswel as you, so only you can properly maintain it 150%.

Anyway ed where going to get away from things and your a very busy guy si ill leave that there.

{Ed001's Note - yes he can and does take himself, but dentists are not looking at what will cause injuries. They are looking at leaving things to get worse so they can charge for more work. Whereas someone contracted to the club would be looking at it from a sports injury prevention point of view. It is simple protection of assets. You have a £30m player, in some instances, you have to look after them.}


10.) 01 Nov 2016 11:55:29
Yeah of course you do but they are paid highly enough to look after themselves aswel. All for the club doing there part but no way can I accept a player paid to literally stay fit, blame the club for not preventing injuries with things like not providing a dentist etc.

And not every single dentist was willing to leave it if they saw something to just charge more later, maybe some dicked but not all. There is so much a player who gets paid x amount has access to, some of the best specialist in the world. Not some back street dentist looking to make some extra cash. Lol

Get your point ed more having a go at players here nir you!

{Ed001's Note - I wouldn't know where a good dentist was anywhere I have lived, who does? People just go to the dentist they know, it is very rare people change. So why would you expect a footballer, when they are usually not the most intelligent of people, to know which dentist is good? I am sorry but the clubs should do more, not leave it to chance.}


11.) 01 Nov 2016 13:03:29
I remember Aly Cissokho (the, of FC Porto) not getting signed by AC Milan because he failed a dental test during his medical so Ed is right that English footie is still in the stoneage when it comes to running comprehensive medicals for signings.

{Ed007's Note - Wasn't it discovered that RVP's injury problems at Arsenal stemmed from trouble with his wisdom teeth?}


12.) 01 Nov 2016 14:29:58
I`m not sure about that, Ed. You may be right.

{Ed001's Note - yes, to a large degree it was, luckily Wenger had his teeth checked.}


13.) 01 Nov 2016 16:46:08
I think supermane is missing the point slightly, its not merely about pain prevention i. e. no footballer with an abcess is going to not go and get it treated is he. The issue is finding underlying causes to persistent injury issues which could be linked to dental problems. Your average dentist would not have a scooby about how an underlying dental problem is affecting another part of a persons anatomy from a sports perspective. So of course it is reasonable for a club to invest in specialists in that field to look after their assets. The logic is not rocket science and nothing to do with a players earnings.


14.) 01 Nov 2016 16:54:39
lol i'm glad klopp got sturidge to the dentist in tym. hehe

ed's your football knowledge is someting extrodinary!

{Ed001's Note - thank you.}


15.) 01 Nov 2016 20:01:43
Nothing wrong with Suarez's teeth at Liverpool! 😁🤐.


16.) 02 Nov 2016 02:07:44
Ed01 didn't Gerrard visit a German when he had bad injury spells early in his career and they discovered his wisdom teeth were affecting his posture or something and it cleared everything up? I am sure I read that somewhere at the time I hope I didn't dream it as it would be a freaky dream haha.

{Ed001's Note - there were dental issues and a few other things that he struggled with, but yes, wisdom teeth were a problem. I know one manager was known for always getting his players to have their wisdom teeth taken out, according to popular legend amongst players.}


 

 

22 Oct 2016 17:16:03
For anyone who still thinks that Henderson only passes sideways/ backwards (Mentioned a lot after the UTD game) have a look at this stat. Henderson has passed into the opposition half the 2nd most in the whole league. Stats can be deceiving, but I personally think is difficult to argue with this one.

The Shrewsbury Red

1.) 22 Oct 2016 20:08:40
It's his detractors that make such unfounded and deluded comments. Those of us who actually watch games don't really need stats to make that point. We have our eyes.


 

 

 

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12 Aug 2017 14:20:49
Solanke will get his chance, Firmino didn't play nearly as badly as the chat was making out.

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22 Jul 2017 21:17:19
Harry, it was Origi at fault for the Leicester goal, he didn't track Fuchs, watch it again and you'll see what I mean. As for Wij, I actually thought he played well, but he was very isolated with Lallana and Coûts always diving in and getting beaten by Mahrez. Agree I prefer him further forward though. 2nd half was just seeing it out, also with the amount of changes made, its very difficult to keep good attacking rhythm. Milner had no chance for the goal, and defended well, had a niggling injury but still got forward. I do enjoy your insight but you judge some players very unfairly.

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21 Jul 2017 21:37:40
Disagree there, Isco is a quality player, on the same level as Coutinho, and around the same age I believe. He would suit out system, playing as one of the three in midfield, and he can deliver a good set piece, which we need. Having said that, I would probably prefer to keep Coutinho.

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21 Jul 2017 19:18:44
But the Eds have told us he's very keen on a move to Liverpool, and has pushed away other clubs as a result, I still see us signing him this window. As Bobby said though, there's plenty of time left, so I wouldn't worry if it doesn't happen all at once.

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14 May 2017 20:38:26
No problem Ed, looking forward to it.

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