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27 Oct 2023 19:43:07
So a question to spark a bit of discussion: if you had a choice of peak Torres or peak Salah who would you go for?
I know Salah has been exceptionally good for a lot of seasons whereas Torres really only had 3 when he was exceptional but God Almighty peak Torres was something else!
1.) 27 Oct 2023 20:02:20
I loved when we got Torres. I hated how Torres forced his way out (even though I believe he was finished after his injuries!
) . What did we win with Torres? What have we won with Mo?
2.) 27 Oct 2023 20:05:27
Salah, Torres was great but salah tips it for me. I’d take Suarez over both of them.
3.) 27 Oct 2023 20:15:25
I mean to be fair Torres only had one exceptional season with Liverpool, his first. In his next two seasons he was good when he played but he only played 24 and then 22 league games. If Torres plays 35+ league games in the 08/ 09 season Liverpool win the league. Torres is one of my favourite Liverpool players this century but any comparison between him and Salah is no contest, Salah is miles clear.
4.) 27 Oct 2023 20:20:37
Salah all day long scores more and assists more and is still putting up crazy numbers.
5.) 27 Oct 2023 20:28:09
Torres the better finisher, more of a threat in the air. He was strong, had pace to burn and could dribble. His timing of runs was of the highest standard too.
Id still pick Salah. Better dribbler, offers more of a long range threat, offers goals in similar to better numbers compared to peak Torres as well as assists in steady and this season increasing rates.
For me you throw in the fitness levels Mo has shown since his arrival at the club and that makes my mind up for me.
6.) 27 Oct 2023 20:47:40
Salah. He's a better player than Torres was. Pegleg mentions Suarez, but Salah is at least on par with him and comes without the baggage. So still Salah.
The only players I'd think about taking ahead of Salah would be the guys of the calibre of Rush, Barnes, Dalglish and peak Fowler.
7.) 27 Oct 2023 20:49:48
I absolutely loved Torres. I've genuinely never been that excited about a new signing before or since, and he didn't disappoint.
That being said, I'd have Salah over Torres all day every day, different class.
8.) 27 Oct 2023 21:12:25
The numbers that salah has performed season after season is just incredible. once he's gone people will start to realise quite how special that man really is.
9.) 27 Oct 2023 21:36:15
Salah or Suarez would be more of an argument.
{Ed025's Note - that scum bag Suarez should not be spoken about in the same breath as Mo Flash, Mo is a great player and a beautiful person to boot, the other piece of crap is the lowest of the low mate..
10.) 27 Oct 2023 21:52:43
Torres was great and Suarez had his own qualities but nobody can replicate what Salah has done, his goals and consistency over a long period. Hands down for me.
11.) 27 Oct 2023 22:26:16
Salah.
It’s quite an easy one that.
And that’s not me being harsh on Torres, I thought he was an unbelievable player and really entertaining to watch as well, one of my favourites.
But yeah Salah, he hit a higher ceiling for me.
12.) 27 Oct 2023 23:08:13
To the point of being a beautiful person, if anyone needs to reflect an opinion on the current Israel/ Palestine conflict, Mo's IG post is probably the most heartfelt and honest viewpoint that tends to the humanity, rather than the politics. Not a single mention of who's right and who's wrong, just a simple message to draw attention to the human suffering and how we should want to work towards peace for all. You can sense the heartbreak in his voice, and it made me pause for a moment and reframe from the traditional orthodoxy to somewhere more hopeful of our future if we have individuals like him using their platform for the greater good.
13.) 27 Oct 2023 23:15:38
to expand who would be in your greatest ever lfcc from whenever you started supporting, i bet there would be some cracking teams there. for me would be Alisson, Neal, Hansen, VVD, Robbo, Souness, Gerrard, Alonso, Mo, Rush, Owen/ Mane.
14.) 28 Oct 2023 00:03:21
Mo Salah, hands down. No space for any debate, even.
15.) 28 Oct 2023 06:44:27
No debate needed, Salah hands down.
Salah has been one of the best in the world for several seasons now and it will be a sad day when he leaves the club.
16.) 28 Oct 2023 09:02:18
What about God or Mo?
17.) 28 Oct 2023 09:56:06
I will ruffle some feathers here, but it's still Salah for me, WDW3.
18.) 28 Oct 2023 12:31:03
Torres was here for 3 and a half seasons and only had one outstanding season which was his first and he went downhill after there even tho, I still love him to bits, departure methods notwithstanding.
Salah is in his 7th season and still doing bits and is arguably the best player playing in England right now. This is not even a debate at this point, IMO. Salah all day, everyday.
19.) 28 Oct 2023 15:28:37
Salah over God.
It quite surprising how little Rushie ever gets mentioned in these conversations.
Rush i believe will be Liverpools all time highest scorer for ever.
20.) 29 Oct 2023 01:20:05
JK, and so, deservedly, Rush will be the best Liverpool scorer, forever. ?.
03 Jun 2023 23:48:55
Somebody please tell Klopp to put TAA in midfield next season, spend money to get a quality RB and break the bank to get another starting CB. That plus McAllister should get us back competing.
1.) 04 Jun 2023 00:39:41
Ok, I’m on the Kop Phone now….
2.) 04 Jun 2023 01:02:35
Done, I as n Blackpool this afternoon and Klopp was sat outside his caravan under the south pier talking to some fella he was calling Manu, and I had a word about Trent playing in midfield and he said that he thought it was a great idea.
3.) 04 Jun 2023 08:06:02
We have Ramsey already.
4.) 04 Jun 2023 09:59:02
Why buy a new rb? Ramsey and Bradley deserve a chance not just go and buy a shiny new one.
5.) 04 Jun 2023 11:19:06
I read that there has been a retraining order put on Klopp's phone where he is not allowed to get anywhere near 50 feet of the phone itself. I hear the sanction is on appeal. I will keep you posted. Peace and Love.
6.) 04 Jun 2023 12:25:38
If we inverted Trent just a little more, he could occupy that left-sided centreback role we're recruiting for.
01 Mar 2023 15:31:53
I think we should keep Kelleher and sell Alison. There is too much value locked up in Alison and Kelleher would be a more than capable replacement. The money we'd get for him would buy another decent defender or midfielder.
1.) 01 Mar 2023 15:45:39
Ali is genuinely the best keeper in the world. And as good as kelleher has been, he is still unproven. I don't know how that makes even one iota of sense.
2.) 01 Mar 2023 15:53:14
Dont know what you're smoking up there in Galway.
3.) 01 Mar 2023 16:00:43
I think Kelleher has the potential to be a top class keeper (If he isn't already)
But why on earth would we sell Alisson. He has been our player of the season by a mile. He is, in my mind at least, the best keeper in the world.
Alisson is only 30 years old so could easily have another 4-5 years at the top of his game.
I would sell Kelleher ten times over before I sell Alisson. And I really like Kelleher.
4.) 01 Mar 2023 16:03:13
They must be putting something in the pints in eyre Square to lead to that idea.
5.) 01 Mar 2023 16:32:29
Alisson is the best there is and still has 5 years plus left in him.
6.) 01 Mar 2023 16:50:32
some Liverpool fans want the club to sell their best players and buy or keep average players. bs!
7.) 01 Mar 2023 17:25:00
Thank god you are not running our club. thanking all my lucky stars for that.
8.) 01 Mar 2023 17:28:27
We struggled since Clemence in the 70s to get a genuine top goalkeeper that can be relied upon. Now we have one some want to sell him!
Kelleher looks good but how many goalkeepers have we been through over the years that looked good initially only to ultimately disappoint?
James, Westeveld, Dudek, Kirkland, Ward, Mignolet, Reina (who was probably the best but nowhere near Ali’s level), Karius. There’s probably more but that’s all I can think of off the top of my head.
Point is, title winning teams usually have world class goalkeepers. We have one so he’d be the last player I’d be selling.
I think the OP is underestimating just how important the goalkeeper really is.
9.) 01 Mar 2023 17:39:45
I agree with Becker. We ain’t had a good goalkeeper in many many years. He’s probably the last player I’d sell in the squad.
10.) 01 Mar 2023 17:45:46
Top keepers are rarely available and even if they are will cost Kepa/ Alisson levels of fees.
11.) 01 Mar 2023 19:20:13
My god ??♂️.
12.) 01 Mar 2023 19:42:29
Ali would be in every football fan on the planet’s list of top three keepers.
The reason he has such value is because he wins us matches.
Why would the thought of selling one of the absolute best in the world who might not have even reached his peak yet, given the longevity of top class goalkeepers, ever cross anyone’s mind?
13.) 01 Mar 2023 21:43:23
Don't be knocking Jerzi lads. Legend!
14.) 01 Mar 2023 23:09:20
Kelleher is good enough that if Alisson tried to force a move, I wouldn't be massively stressed.
But I still wouldn't push Alisson out. He's the best in the world. Anything less than £100m and we'd have been robbed.
24 Feb 2023 19:50:02
Hello all, I rarely post but I read the rest of the posts nearly every other day. Can I ask two questions:
1) am I right when I say that when TAA came onto the scene first he was being touted as a right sided midfielder as opposed to full back? Would that not be an obvious move - buy a specialist RB and move TAA forward?
2) what are people's thoughts on selling Alison for big money and backing Kelliher as No. 1.
{Ed025's Note - TAA was expected to be a midfielder galway thats right, but he turned into an excellent right back then....his head swelled and he got too big for his boots mate and now he is joe average, alisson is probably the best keeper in the world..why would you want to sell him??..
1.) 24 Feb 2023 20:31:52
That’s coz Ed025, we are a sell to buy. Klopp has come out and said the exact below
Klopp on transfers:
"We have to make our own plans and we do but it's based on the way this club is led and that is different to other clubs. So we will see if it works out or if we have to adapt. Conversations with staff, owners and nothing else. " #lfc
We don’t have money!
{Ed002's Note - All clubs need to work within FFP.}
2.) 24 Feb 2023 21:01:27
With Trent, could he play Right mid in our team? We don’t currently play with a right midfielder to start with. I think Trent had reached his peak as a RB and by that I mean he adapted to the role when it was an exciting opportunity for him as a youngster and we could maximise his strengths. But he is now entering the time of his career where he needs to establish consistent 7-8/ 10 performances and I think he has passed the time of “ping a job” for us as a RB. Time to progres him to where he wants to play for the next 5-6 years of his peak which I can’t imagine is RB.
3.) 24 Feb 2023 22:11:33
Who did we sell to buy Gakpo?
4.) 24 Feb 2023 22:31:36
Solanke.
5.) 25 Feb 2023 02:09:51
It’s not a case of replacing one individual player with another one - it’s balancing finances with the games regulations and the club’s budget.
6.) 25 Feb 2023 03:09:54
For most of his youth career, Trent played as a No. 6. He was then shifted to RB because the first team had a gap there, and he was by far the best player in the academy.
He struggled with the defending even back then. They scheduled special sessions with Bobby Adekanye to get at Trent 1v1, and improve him.
Over the years, the team has more or less been built to maximise his strengths. But with midfield not capable of doing that anymore, he is being exposed as a sore thumb.
7.) 25 Feb 2023 02:00:08
I wouldn’t say Trent is Joe Average Ed25. I kind of see where you’re coming from it’s very easy to criticise Trent at the moment when the team isn’t defending well as a unit he gets very exposed.
I’d reserve judgement until we are back and firing and he actually gets some help from the players around him.
I do agree that he has believed his own hype a little bit though.
{Ed025's Note - i think hes a good lad but he has lost his way a bit BP, maybe he thinks he can do a better job in midfield?, and the way he is performing he would fit in there very nicely mate.. :)
8.) 25 Feb 2023 07:28:21
Nobody mentions the fact he’s piled on a lot of muscle compared to other seasons. It’s made him slower and robotic.
9.) 25 Feb 2023 07:40:26
Do u not think ed25 that trent has played better recently, since the world cup? Defensively he has been much better 1 on 1 I had thought only problem I had with him on defending was on back post getting caught in the air.
{Ed025's Note - to be honest digger no, he looks very lax to me and disinterested at times, the smile seems to have disappeared as well and to me he looks like hes not enjoying it as much as he used to mate, just my view of course..
10.) 25 Feb 2023 08:21:43
Trent's a curious case. A supremely talented footballer, but i think you have to basically allow him a free role. Which doesn't really work for a defender when the system is failing to protect him. He's cut from the same cloth as the likes of Gerrard and Pogba. Let him play and he's unbelievable but ask him to do anything disciplined and he's a liability. Now we don't have a midfield that can cover him it's just a disaster. So it would make more sense to just put him in midfield. The argument against doing it was always "Don't fix what isn't broken". Well, it's broken now so fix it.
11.) 25 Feb 2023 08:35:07
TAA is one of our quickest players, LFC8. I admit he is slow to react to or anticipate danger sometimes but that is more to do with the muscle between his ears.
TAA and Alisson are two from the current squad that I can still see having long term future with us.
{Ed025's Note - his ability is not in question rigsby, but unfortunately his attitude and application is mate..
12.) 25 Feb 2023 09:01:03
Out of curiosity I had a look online to see how quick Trent was as I’ve never thought of him being quick but more intelligent in reading the game when going forward at least.
Absolutely no ideas the credibility of the site but it has Trent at 13th in this squad for fastest recorded speed.
Nunez and Konate are 1st and 2nd. Surprisingly Trent was ahead of Jota and Ox but behind Fab. So if it it credible then those are absolute shocks to me.
13.) 25 Feb 2023 09:30:19
Gerrard and Pogba are from the same cloth? You’re taking the p. there right?
Jota and ox must have been running while injured for those, if you’re behind Fab you must be slow. He was towing a caravan chasing after Modric.
14.) 25 Feb 2023 10:11:59
@JK23, over what distance? Was Gakpo included in the list? Looking at our breakaway goal against Everton he looked just as fast as Nunez ove 50 or 60 metres.
15.) 25 Feb 2023 10:11:59
Lfcmitch that’s what I thought ?.
It’s their measured top speed so not over any sort of distance. Perhaps Fabs was recorded running down a cliff.
16.) 25 Feb 2023 10:25:59
I think the midfield experiment with Trent has been done before with Liverpool and England and he doesn’t get on the ball enough when player there so in nullifies his threat.
You are also asking a player that has issues tracking attackers when everything is in front of him and from one side to suddenly track attackers coming from all sides. The only way you could put him in midfield would be as a number 10 but he doesn’t have the skill on the ball under pressure.
He has been the best right back in the world in my opinion let’s just let him sort through his issues and get him back there. You forget he’s still a kid he was always going to go through bad spells at some point.
Look at Rashford at Utd. Started his career well but has looked like a championship player for years. Now the penny has dropped and all of a sudden it’s clicked.
Trent will do the same.
17.) 25 Feb 2023 10:39:24
WDW no idea what the distance was measured over but it’s the top speed they hit. Great shout on Gakpo and he’s not on the list so it’s obviously at least a month out of date.
On Nunez he is the fastest player in my opinion I’ve ever seen in the flesh. The ground he makes up is frightening.
List below in km/ h
1. Nunez 38
2. Konate 34
3. Salah 33.90
4. Tsimikas 33.50
5. Vvd 33.30
6. Diaz 33.10
7. Matip 32.90
7. Gomez 32.90
9. Robertson 32.10
10. Morton 31.90
11. Carvalho 31.70
12. Fab 31.50
13. Trent 31.30
14. Jota 31
15. Ox 30.80
16. Elliot
17. Phillips
18. Kieta
19. Jones
20. Milner
21. Hendo
22. Bobby
23. Thiago
24. Williams
25. Bajetic
26. Arthur
I got fed up of putting speeds on after Ox. But that’s the order. Bajetic won’t be over the last month either I’m guessing due to no Gakpo.
These aren’t my stats mind I’m just sharing.
18.) 25 Feb 2023 10:39:59
Pogba is incredible when he has free reign. His attitude is his is his biggest problem. You only have to watch him during his 1st Juventus spell and for France to see he's one of the best footballers on the planet. His application has let him down in the last 3 or 4 years though.
Back when he was on it, he was the closest thing to Gerrard I'd seen. Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my first comment, reading it back though. I didn't mean to compare them as people or in terms of their career path. Just stylistically on the pitch at their best. Some players are best when you take off all the shackles and just give them the freedom of the pitch. Gerrard, Pogba and Trent all fall under that umbrella for me. Could probably throw Ozil in there too, and others I'm sure.
Pogba has let himself down but let's not rewrite history and pretend he wasn't (at one stage) good enough to command a record transfer fee and absolutely dominate a whole World Cup. I wouldn't want him anywhere near Liverpool but I'm objective enough to recognise his talent before he fell off a cliff.
19.) 25 Feb 2023 11:13:22
That Nunez speed is incredible JK23. Was literally talking to my dad last night and said i think he's quicker than even Torres was. Cheers for taking the time to post that. Really interesting. Matip surprisingly high. Must have a big stride!
20.) 25 Feb 2023 11:19:57
It’s is saying something that fabs is out fasttest regular midfielder.
21.) 25 Feb 2023 11:21:39
@MK, the Aussies have a name for players who make themselves look good when the opposition is poor - show ponies. Pogba, imo, is a show pony.
I was once at a football event in Sydney about 2 or 3 years after the start of the A League and Aime Jacquet was one of the speakers. He fielded a question from the audience about the quality of the new A League. His answer was really insightful in that he said the pat there were a fair number of players who displayed good technique but then added that he wasn’t convinced that they had the capability to apply the technique - he referred to it as ‘speed of technique’ when they were put under pressure. I think they used to call it ‘getting in the opposition’s face’ back in the day and I think there is an element of that with Pogba.
22.) 25 Feb 2023 12:25:15
Mk I agree Pogba on his day is a brilliant player. But he just didn’t have enough of them days to be talked about in the same breath as Gerrard IMO. Gerrard was a lot more disciplined and can’t remember him being much of a liability.
JK that Nunez speed is frightening, wouldn’t fancy playing against him. Would never have thought Matip was as fast as Gomez. Must just take him a while to accelerate to top speed.
23.) 25 Feb 2023 12:27:51
@Beckers, TAA is turning 25 this year mate. He's hardly a kid. But I agree with your statement on TAA playing in midfield. If he doesn't have the awareness to track runners at RB, he will definitely struggle in midfield.
24.) 25 Feb 2023 12:42:11
I’ve looked at those before JK. The surprise was Matip being as fast as the “seedy” Gomez ?.
25.) 25 Feb 2023 12:44:03
WDW, Pogba's certainly turned into a show pony. He lost sight of what made him special, and that was his ruthless effectiveness. His vision and striking technique is insane but he became so focused on his brand that he lost his edge on the pitch i think. It's such a waste of talent but it was great for us watching him progressively become a problem for Manchester United.
26.) 25 Feb 2023 12:54:55
I think the figures show that Nunez has the best car.
27.) 25 Feb 2023 11:25:35
Ed025 you are spot on re TAA. Too much too young and has lost the hunger, a lot of the team has this season and too many excuses are being made for a bunch of very wealthy players that are allegedly tired.
{Ed025's Note - thats how i see it as well tom, it must be hard for young very wealthy individuals to get up for pulling their tripe out week in week out mate, my heart bleeds for them..
28.) 25 Feb 2023 13:11:39
If Nunez’s car can only do 38km/ h then 3 of the wheels must be clamped.
29.) 25 Feb 2023 13:19:12
Casino, Every club sells to buy cos you have to balance the books and manage the the squad, the latter being the BIG reason for our problems. Barcelona have the same prob times a hundred.
Even Real Madrid do it. This is nothing new. Saying that like it’s a bad thing ONLY when LFC dies it, shows you have no idea how football finances work.
As for Trent, people saying his head has swollen need to enlighten us a lot more about him cos levelling such an accusation requires proof that you and him have a relationship so please, tell us what his fav cereal is. If you don’t have any proof then, all you have is speculating hence, such comments need to be ignored, imo.
30.) 25 Feb 2023 13:24:49
That quote doesn't say what you say it does, Casino Royale.
08 Nov 2021 14:18:53
Guys, questions for the eds: I remember when TAA was breaking through he was always thought about as a midfielder that was eventually going to make the move forward on the pitch. Is that still the plan? He might have a great delivery of a ball but he is not a good defender.
1.) 08 Nov 2021 15:02:47
And what do you get from bringing TAA inside and Pushing Hendo out wide? I mean I haven't got a clue. If he isn't a good defender then coach him.
2.) 08 Nov 2021 15:11:55
This "Trent is not a good defender" narrative is getting boring now.
3.) 08 Nov 2021 15:42:34
Trent seems ineffective from the middle.
4.) 08 Nov 2021 15:47:44
He’s a perfectly good defender, what nonsense.
5.) 08 Nov 2021 16:02:31
Full back position is an extremely hard one to play and get recognition because at the end of the day you're up against a winger who in the premier league is either quick, skill full or both. That winger will attack a full back (depending on how much possession they have) say 5-20 times a game. But for argument sake let's say 10. Well no one ever remembers the 7-8 times the defender comes out on top but will always remember the 2 times the winger gets the better of the full back.
A prime example was a couple of seasons ago when Trent was lambasted for Zaha going past him about 3 times at Selhurst park but i remember watching the game back and realising that apart from those 3 moments Trent kept Zaha very quiet for the other 87 minutes of the game.
6.) 08 Nov 2021 16:31:33
The way Liverpool play, he’s a de facto midfielder almost anyway.
He creates so many chances that the FB position is his best.
We just need to find a lightning fast player to cover for him because that space he leaves is consistently being used against us on the counter attack.
Everyone’s at it now, lol.
7.) 08 Nov 2021 19:30:51
If Klopp thought he could play in midfield then, he would have already been playing there and if he hasn’t then it only means that is not on the table right now. This us is not hard to pinpoint.
And the whole “Trent is not a good defender†would make sense IF he was actually there primarily to defend which he isn’t. He is there to create from deep where he mostly drifts into midfield to orchestrate. Again, not hard to pinpoint.
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26 Jan 2024 10:56:29
No way do I want Gerrard as manager. No way!
14 Feb 2021 19:36:29
For me, if the Ox is fit I think our best midfield is Fabinho, Thiago and the Ox. I know Hendo's organisational skills are so vital but in a fully fit squad I don't think he brings as much to our midfield as the other in terms of play.