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22 Oct 2024 22:05:40
Ed2 is the rumours of a new takeover bid, click bait.

Finglasred

{Ed002's Note - FSG are still looking to expand their presence in football from owning Liverpool to taking stakes in other sides. They have looked at Toulouse (which investors in FSG, RedBird Capital, own 85% of) but then settled on the far cheaper and in huge trouble, Bordeaux. and want to purchase a MLS side or to take a minorty share in one. The cost of adding Bordeaux means unpaid taxes, unpaid rent for the stadium and other debts would have to have been cleared by July 2024 and they weren't so they have been relegated to the third iter of French football - so that is now off the table. I suspect the reality of the state of Bordeaux resulted in FSG stepping away to concentrate on investing in an MLS side whilst they continue their chase for a new NBA franchise in Las Vegas. With one time potential Everton owners 777 Partners having a crumbling empire, clubs are looking at their assets. Vasco da Gama is part of that and has been for sale for a while with BlueCo having had exploratory talks after signing two players from them last summer. FSG could look to them also but there could be some legal hurdles to deal with as a Brazilian Court has removed the owners from being able to run the club. Standard Liege, Genoa, Hertha Berlin and Red Star Paris are also embroiled in this mess. Perhaps FSG's new friends at the Saudi PIF would be interested in some sort of further joint venture. There has certainly continued to be a thought that the PIF would like to move on from Newcastle and look to a higher profile side. In order to do so in England, or realistically in Europe, they would need to sell Newcastle or restructure the ownership somehow? Their primary target is Barcelona but it is owned by the supporters who nominally operate the club and there is no practical way taht the socios can sell. Already in bed with FSG, they could look to creating a partnership that takes Liverpool on board. This has the advantage that it will give FSG the funds to likely obtain the NBA Francise and MLS side they so desire - but I suspect there would be a huge backlash by supporters. Representatives of the Saudi PIF have also looked at Chelsea and Spurs.}


1.) 23 Oct 2024 10:14:27
I’d take Saudi owners with no complaints. Keep us competing at highest level and give us the best chance of trophies. They been great at Newcastle imo.


2.) 23 Oct 2024 10:36:03
Not for me Brummy.


3.) 23 Oct 2024 12:16:46
Might need to throw the rainbow laces away.


4.) 23 Oct 2024 13:48:05
As always thanks in advanced and if not right place sorry! As an LFC and Tranmere fan, is the reported Rihanna and her partners take over bid actually legitimate? Assume as news died out so no, but is that random thought would query!

Seems strange as with two top English clubs nearby assumed growth would be limited - but on other hand if not aiming for BPL offers a good friendly place for fans both blue and red to regularly take family to a friendly football match with reasonable prices!

{Ed002's Note - I answered this on the Everton page yesterday: {Ed002's Note - I don't know what a "Rocky and Rihanna" is but there is a group of American investors looking to buy into lower-tier football clubs with a number for sale including Tranmere, Treviso, Pro Vercelli etc.. Moneyball is a baseball term. I don't know what the eventual investors will look to do but it will be purchased with a view to bringing a return on the investment.}


5.) 23 Oct 2024 14:20:49
Ah didn’t see that - cheers for info.


6.) 23 Oct 2024 21:11:36
Does us potentially doing something wrong to follow suit with other clubs doing wrong make us right? Seems it’s apparently ok from a business perspective but perhaps not from a more global humanitarian perspective, which, in my opinion, supersedes sport.


7.) 23 Oct 2024 17:58:31
Are Everton classed as below them then Ed?

{Ed002's Note - Everton should have new owners by the end of the year.}


8.) 23 Oct 2024 18:37:43
Thank you for the reply ed2.


9.) 24 Oct 2024 06:50:27
@Brummy. These owners brought in Klopp, bought (I'm not suggesting they were involved directly ya) the superstars that we have now, won PL, CL etc. So, I don't really get what you are trying to say.


10.) 24 Oct 2024 09:27:04
Ed002 what are the pro's and cons of buying or being a partner in multi clubs, for both the owners and fans . there seems to be only a few who seem to run it well. ie city group, red bull.

{Ed002's Note - It allows the owners to have players come through the other clubs via loans, or in the case of the City Football Group, through buying and selling. Sometimes, when it doesn't work out a player can be given a loan to a partner side to see if there is a chance of improvement (e.g. Darío Sarmiento). Sometines a club may send a player on loan for game time (e.g. Andrey Santos). So for the playing staff there are benefits. For owners, the most significant benefit is in the potential profit (e.g. Red Bull Salzburg who largely came from nowhere 20 years ago). On the downside, the success of Red Bull Salzburg has resulted in them having to drop the "Red Bull" when playing in international competitions. There is also scrutiny of all transfers between related clubs.}


11.) 25 Oct 2024 00:16:28
Haizen, yes they got Klopp which was by far and away the best thing they have done for the club. I would argue they didn’t buy any superstars, Klopp made them. As you have seen for the last few years we did not push on from the super team that Klopp built - additions of ‘superstars’ to that team would have arguably had us win a lot more. As Klopp realised you can’t perform miracles on a budget year after year - PIG owners would relieve that pressure and let us challenge year after year without having to get every signing right. That is what I’m trying to say. Thanks.


12.) 25 Oct 2024 05:07:14
Brummy - lol cos Newcastle are competing at the highest level then lol do you read what you write before you write it?

it's a pretty useless argument you're making. because the only teams you can compare our spending too haven't achieved anywhere near what we have.


13.) 25 Oct 2024 10:37:44
Ed002, thanks for the info.


14.) 25 Oct 2024 13:13:41
Faith - Newcastle have been limited by FFP and were starting off in a far worse position than ours fighting relegation. Think for yourself mate.


15.) 26 Oct 2024 09:58:42
I don’t think Klopp made Van Dijk and Alisson.

They were top class players from day 1.

The profile of the club certainly helped their careers.


16.) 26 Oct 2024 16:29:30
Both Virgil and Alisson became three or four times the player they were before at Liverpool, not sure why you think they were already at that level before coming here. Before coming here they had all the tools to possibly be the best in their position, at Liverpool they made a claim to be the best and then laid rest to any argument that they were the best, Virgil went up another level again when he was given the captain’s armband and proved that he can lead by example and be an organiser taking responsibility instead of shirking it when things start going awry.


17.) 26 Oct 2024 23:00:16
Both players were world class from Day 1 at Anfield.

They just “became better” by walking through the gates?

They were already great players, hence the fees.


 

 

06 Nov 2017 13:40:09
ED1 do you see coutinho playiplaying for us again this season, or has he burned his last bridge if he starts for Brazil.

Finglasred

{Ed001's Note - it really depends, right now we are playing better without him so he is out. I expect him to leave in January, so I don't expect him to appear for us again. However a lot can change quickly.}


1.) 06 Nov 2017 14:52:53
we should put him on the subs bench for a couple of games, let him see that we can and will play great football without him .


2.) 06 Nov 2017 15:24:02
We have Boby with twinkle toes.


3.) 06 Nov 2017 15:55:32
We have to forget coutinho and can they are both already mentally elsewhere and coutinho is only player for himself and shop window purposes.

This does not help the LFC team as we need people who want to be here and play here, we can live without Coutinho as we have shown already, we need to invest the money well and 1 or 2 defenders will for sure be needed. I don't see a long term future for Migs or Lovren at the club.

Sturridge for all his quality is simply not worth the wage we pay him for the game time we get out of him, wasted talent due to injury.

Firmino is a good player but not an out and out goalscorer.

I would personally look at De Vrij in Jan as a solid option and then if we can resurrect the VVD deal as a pair I'm sure that would be up there with the best partnership in the league and De Vrij would not cost a lot.

This would relegate Matip to the bench and Gomez can continue to cover RB and CB personally ahead of Matip in the rankings.

We all know Ward should be the number 1 and I think the whole support group would love to see him given the remainder of the season to play in goal and sell Migs to whoever is crazy enough to buy him.

I'm sure we can con Newcastle into a deal they normally buy our offloads.

Better performances of late but still not fixed the balance at the back.


4.) 06 Nov 2017 17:16:02
In hindsight it seems like letting Coutinho go was the better option but during the summer window we had no idea that Salah would be such a roaring success. I think fans would have gone mental had Coutinho left without a "marquee" signing coming in.


5.) 06 Nov 2017 18:23:08
Can is rurning up each game and looks engaged to me.


6.) 06 Nov 2017 20:34:40
Coutinho should have been sold as he made very clear his intention to go and was not interested in the friendlies.

We were going to get good return and this was an easy decision to make but not sure who vetoed his move. Klopp or owners. No foresight/ hindsight needed as this was well written.


Can is showing to be a good professio al till now but unfortuately does not have the quality to take us to next level. His going will only help other potential players and we should wish him luck.

Cheers.


7.) 06 Nov 2017 22:48:38
I said this other week didn't seem too go down that we'll if a players long-term thinking isn't Liverpool an beyond I would rather get rid how can we be a team when other players minds are with another team.


8.) 07 Nov 2017 05:49:34
Will Lemaar or Lazini be replacement? Or will Woodburn or Ox step up?


9.) 07 Nov 2017 08:08:04
I would rather integrate woodburn, ox or grujic than give the other 2 can an coutihno our huge platform that is Liverpool we made them 2 players look how they repaid us.


 

 

 

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13 Aug 2024 16:22:11
Anyway looking forward to the first week of September, when we beat the comedy club from Manchester, and get 9 points from 3 games, then this window will feel like a silly little dream.

Finglasred

1.) 13 Aug 2024 18:15:30
And if we finish way off top like last season are we just supposed to be happy if we beat utd? Our record being horrendous there anyway so no guarantees. There's long way to go so hopefully we get some players in but with cl football aswell making no signings would be disastrous.


2.) 13 Aug 2024 18:29:26
We'll see! It's january when we have injuries that it'll be more telling.


3.) 13 Aug 2024 18:35:49
Did we finish way of the top?


4.) 13 Aug 2024 18:44:44
You don’t win the league by making the most signings, ask Chelsea.


5.) 13 Aug 2024 19:40:02
No but you have more of a chance buying better quality players for positions you are in desperate need of.


6.) 13 Aug 2024 20:17:41
No Magico it’s quite the opposite. If you just sign someone because they are available you’ll end up with a player who’s not as good as what you already have. We’ve been down that road before.

We need to pick our targets carefully and if they are not available now then wait. It’s the only way to build a squad capable of challenging for major trophies.

It takes patience which is something a lot of fans don’t have these days.


7.) 13 Aug 2024 20:40:04
Hence why I said buy better quality players.


8.) 13 Aug 2024 20:52:51
We're in desperate need of better quality players in some positions because we finished third last season?


9.) 13 Aug 2024 21:33:23
Port red, let’s not be over dramatic here. If finishing 9 points off the top (I think) is now deemed “way off” then we are all in trouble. Disastrous? Again, relax.

We need players to come in and the contracts sorted for the big 3 in Trent, Mo and VVD and I’m with you on that so let's see what happens.

And I’d rather by nobody than buy a player for the sake if it. Not going through all that crap again.


10.) 14 Aug 2024 00:55:17
Thing is some are just addicted to signings because even if we win the league this year (proving the players are good enough) those same people will still want signings, they'll just give a different reason for wanting them.


11.) 14 Aug 2024 06:48:04
City have won the league numerous times lately. Do they still make signings.


12.) 14 Aug 2024 07:46:37
Yes rigsby? Every year you should be improving, same way city do by spending 150mill a season. Same way arsenal have spent more. Players get older, we'll currently be losing 2 starters next year, I would personally feel better having a top replacement bed in now, especially with our bench. Surely that's good planning no?

We have a new manager, we hardly know much about, I think we could.


13.) 14 Aug 2024 08:22:07
Dean, so that's Arsenal and City, the only two sides to finish above us. Does finishing third mean that we are in desperate need to add better quality players?
Who are these better quality players, btw?


14.) 14 Aug 2024 09:08:56
Yes it does? it means over the season arsenal and city had better squads/ performed better. I don't think unless slot pulls a blinder and somehow regenerates our players, that we have the best squad in the league. We definitely aren't favourites.

You want me to name every player in the world who's better quality then what we have, alright mate. or do you think every liverpool player is best in the world at their position?

we need a LCB (potential vD replacement) as no way can we be happy with just quansah/ gomez/ konate/ VD and i guess Sep if he doesn't get the transfer he wants. potential cover for someone to replace Diaz as he clearly doesn't want to be here, salah probably needs a young potential player as cover if he's to leave. I would also look at LB unless we see the youth as cover for that, robbo can't play 65 games, and tsimikas really isn't good enough.


15.) 14 Aug 2024 09:26:27
Dean, Arsenal and City are better than us. They have the funds to spend big and at times they have spent bigger than us. You need to accept that.
Of course we can improve and signing players can massively help that but we are not in a desperate state.
It's easy to say what we need but I asked who we need. And needing a certain player doesn't mean that we can just go out and sign them.
You need to accept that, too.


16.) 14 Aug 2024 11:10:53
I've just told you the positions, what you're saying is the scouting department can't pick anyone in world football who's decent? or do you think every better player is impossible to get, you're not making a point at all. how have we ever signed any players? You scout, you talk to clubs, you sign or don't sign.


 

 

11 Mar 2024 13:41:16
ED1 after klopps interview yesterday and some of his wording to questions. do you think he will use the last game of the season to vent his frustrations on the standard of officiating in the Premier league over the last four, five years, knowing there will be no repercussions for his words. I think he will use the opportunity myself.

Finglasred

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea but I really would love to see that!}


1.) 11 Mar 2024 14:51:18
I was only thinking last night that if we were to win the league it would be fitting for him to pen an open letter calling out pgmol on their poor performances, not just for us but on a whole.

Would seem like sour grapes if we fail to win it though.


2.) 11 Mar 2024 15:39:58
I’d be worried there’s a chance the club may end up in trouble if he did that while still under contract However I’ve got no doubt he’ll be on Monday night football or something similar next season and he’ll really be able to say what he thinks about them.


3.) 11 Mar 2024 15:54:44
Imagine them wanting to fine him but he's not going to pay! That would be even more funny!


4.) 11 Mar 2024 16:15:09
I’ve always thought that what happened at Spurs had a big impact on him and is part of the reason why he chose to quit.

I was an absolute shambles and when he called it out he got ridiculed. He was asked a question of what he thought should happen and he said ‘as a football man I think the game should be replayed’ and that was then reported as ‘Klopp demands a replay’ and he was again ridiculed and told to be quiet.

I just think that may have been the final straw and he just thought do you know what, I don’t need this.

I loved his little jibe at Mike Dean, that guy is a fool. He was an awful ref and he makes an even worse pundit. The way he defended Hooper and England was an absolute disgrace and for once I agreed with Merson. Just stop the game!

The fact that they would rather follow some made up protocol (which didn’t even apply in that situation) rather than just get the decision right says it all for me.


5.) 11 Mar 2024 16:25:03
Finglarsred. It’s funny you thought that. I was literally thinking the same thing after watching his post match interview. Klopp is emotional and if we win the quadruple, best believe he is saying something, and I don’t blame him. I mean, what can they do to him? He won’t be coming back to the league. What I loved about the post match interview was how happy he was. He literally ran through the team and spoke on each player with so much passion and pride. We are going to miss him that’s for sure.


6.) 11 Mar 2024 16:48:01
What can they do. have you not been following this season at all?

VAR will review his comments, retract his own resignation, fine him and the club, dock points from the club and have us relegated.

????.


7.) 11 Mar 2024 18:17:04
Did anyone see ref watch ???
Dermot saying the var backed up the ref with his decision . I genuinely believe things like this are half the reason he’s had enough and who can blame him . It’s a new rule or a new interpretation of an age old simple rule to either absolve the ref of any blame or find an explanation of a poor decision. It’s tiresome now and ruining the game . Not just from a Liverpool view point but a football view point all you ask for is consistency and I must say this season has to be the most inconsistent ever .


8.) 11 Mar 2024 18:33:50
VAR needs to be taken away from referees. They should have strict processes and controls that they follow every time there are the following situations a) contentious challenges in the box b) a handball in the box c) offside d) lunge tackles e) raised arms/ headbutts and f) simulation.

The VAR then has the power to halt the game and bring it back if the checks of the above result in something the referee has missed. As in rugby, with the use of specialist VAR operatives and NOT a referee these checks would be over in seconds.

It really isn’t rocket science, I cannot believe how we are being dumbed down and fobbed off with this “clear and obvious”, subjective/ objective BS so that referees can get another bumper payday while failing to follow the laws of the game.


9.) 11 Mar 2024 18:52:47
It’s a penalty against every team in world football apart from Manchester City.
I don’t even believe it’s an anti-Liverpool decision, it’s just because it’s Man City. Reminds me of the Rodri handball vs Everton which won them the title also.


10.) 11 Mar 2024 18:59:57
"I cannot believe how we are being dumbed down and fobbed off with this “clear and obvious”, subjective/ objective BS so that referees can get another bumper payday while failing to follow the laws of the game. "


We're being gas-lit, bro. Straight up. Clear and obvious? Absolute pixie dust. You have Dermott Gallagher doing his usual cleanup duty after the fact and he keeps saying Doku got the ball first. Here, Dermott is lying thru his teeth and spreading disinformation and propaganda.

Why? There is literally a rule governing the specific scenario on the PL books which says that getting the ball does NOT matter. Yet Gallagher (who knows this), keeps lying and saying as long as Doku got the ball (which he didn't), it wasn't a pen. The pundits at Sky, BT and MOTD are on the take as well with Carra the chief spreader of this type of gas-lighting cos well, he is an LFC fan so he can't be biased against his own team, right?

{Ed025's Note - you have to let it go now Oli, i know you think you were wronged mate but its not going to get changed anytime soon, dont let it eat at you because these things happen and always will..


11.) 11 Mar 2024 19:13:55
Liverpool have had one penalty given against them this season in the PL while gaining eight penalties.

Man City have had three penalties given against them this season in the PL while gaining five penalties.

How’s that for the conspiracy theorists?

{Ed025's Note - you do know that that is ruining the narrative Irish, how are people supposed to think you dont get picked on coming out with information like this mate.. :)


12.) 11 Mar 2024 19:32:51
I swear I watched hermit Gallagher say the better or easier decision is to give a penalty there. He’s explaining the process and also how it played out. I not just to stand there and bash every referee decision he believes is wrong. The insight he provides is valuable because, if fans are listening, it points to the flaw in the process.

I heard Derm say that Michael Oliver said he is sure Doku got the ball first then VAR reviews and sees Doku get the ball first. The flaw there seems to be similar to when they totally missed Pickford assasinating VVD because they were focused on the offside they didn’t look at the whole picture.

Oli - I get the passion mate but I don’t see a conspiracy here or anywhere in general. I think the system is flawed and it’s run by idiots. Recipe for disaster

I also think we Liverpool fans need to check ourselves a bit. We’re sounding awfully mighty and righteous right now given how we’ve responded to other teams griefs with VAR.

{Ed025's Note - your last two sentences are very true Faith and very magnanimous of you i must say, no need to drag the past up with the Pickford assassination though mate, hes not Pol Pot, Idi Amin or prince Andrew, just a keeper who made a poor challenge a long time ago, sit yourself down with a bottle of Cruzcampo and a chocolate eclair and repeat after me..."Jordan is not the devil, he is just a keeper who made a challenge on a Dutch guy with very weak legs"...better?..


13.) 11 Mar 2024 19:54:15
Irish that is a ridiculous stat mate I’m sorry.

It doesn’t matter how many penalties you’ve had for or against you it’s how many were the right decision!

Just throwing numbers about without any kind of a back story is just lazy and misleading.


14.) 11 Mar 2024 19:18:00
Watched the blues v man u the second pen they looked at off side with var no off side but did not put the lines up on screen i have noticed several times when man u played this happened?

Onana was tackled on his ankle he grabed his head ref stopped the game so it was a mistake so why did var not tell the ref he is being conned which happens in most games every week.


15.) 11 Mar 2024 20:32:29
25 - haha that's fair mate. but that was the easiest example I could think of where the PGMOL also acknowledged that they were so focused on one aspect of the decision that they didn't see the whole picture. That's the analogy I was making.

{Ed025's Note - i know that faith but sometimes i have to lighten the mood a bit mate, it gets too serious on here at times..


16.) 11 Mar 2024 21:42:04
Call it what you want BP but Liverpool are top of the penalties given and bottom of the penalties conceded. To the man on the street it certainly looks like there is no conspiracy against Liverpool whatsoever but what ever gets you off is fine by me ?.


17.) 11 Mar 2024 21:43:45
@Ed25 No, You let it go. Im sick of being gas-lit.

@Faith, again I did not mention conspiracy. And please, try to read my posts carefully cos all Im doing is describing people's acts and and their deed using their own words and the actual laws that the precisous PL and PGMOL created. That's all Im doing and nothing else.

Was Mike Dean who said Oliver would go to the monitor in real time and then, back-tracked when Oliver stuck to his decision a conspiracy or did that really happen? Also, I do not need Gallagher to gas light me about anything. I know what football rules are and per this situation, the rule is clear (getting the ball does NOT matter) so what do I need him for if he is going to lie to me saying getting the ball is the reason the pen was not given? If you can't recognise blatant lies being told to you in the name of "valuable insight" then, that's on you.

{Ed025's Note - calm down Oli mate, you think you have been wronged mate and i get that, but in the end its just a decision in a game of football that you dont agree with, it happens most weeks and to lots of teams so i wouldn,t let it get you upset..


18.) 12 Mar 2024 04:09:16
It is tiresome though ED to see City continually get these decisions in their favor, decisions which alter were the points go at end of the match. I can understand genuinely tough decisions going either one way or the other, but a studs up, chest high tackle is not rocket science to call correctly. They have either bottled it, or something foul is afoot, but you cannot deny that City seem to get a lot of this game-changing decisions when they need them. This season has been farcical but bad decisions and pitiful excuses from officials as to their justifications. It’s not just bad for Liverpool, it is bad for football, and if we don’t kick up a fuss about it then it will continue.

{Ed025's Note - i am a firm believer that there is corruption in football Seano but i dont think this incident is part of that, it was a contentious incident that Liverpool supporters think was wrong but a lot of others think was right, personally i would have liked Macca to come out and show the scars where he was almost cut in half by Doku but thats not happening any time soon, i dont think he touched him myself and it was a bit of gamesmanship on his behalf but maybe its the intent thats the issue here?, i think that with it being so late in the game which is the biggest in football that the referee hesitated a bit but it was not the worst incident this weekend i would say, the refereeing and VAR,s part in that has been terrible for years and every team gets bad decisions against them (see Wolves), yes we should all complain about the standard but i dont think this one is the catalyst that they should be judged on, but i suppose its all about opinions mate..


19.) 12 Mar 2024 16:33:21
Very true Ed25.

There is corruption in football, there’s just too much money in the ‘game’ these days.

But, every decision that goes against us these days is often over ‘thought’ (for want of a better word) and generally ends up as being part of the great conspiracy when the decisions made on the pitch just range from ineptitude or genuine mistakes to, God forbid, actually being correct.

Odd that the contentious ones we are given, generally speaking, don’t get put under anywhere near the same scrutiny.

{Ed025's Note - its the same with every team i think WDW, ones that go for you are stonewall certs, those against are incompetence or blatant cheating mate, i think overall they even themselves out in a season but im sure not many think thats the case..


 

 

17 Mar 2023 09:16:40
Tsimikas had more fight in his five minute cameo, then the starting eleven put together. TAA if he has another season like this, is in danger of turning into dele alli mk2. Every ball was over passed, from open play and corners. Every player except ali, konate, and carvalho who klopp has forgotten can actually bring the ball forward. Should worry about their starting places for next season.

Finglasred

1.) 17 Mar 2023 12:48:54
We don’t have money to replace them. They know they’re all ok.


2.) 17 Mar 2023 13:46:17
Let the recriminations begin.


 

 

07 Dec 2022 21:38:29
In response to earlier posts, let's just become a bit part Premier league team, and be a one club crusade for amnesty International. while the rest of the top clubs around the world sell their souls and except the devils doller. Sky excepts sponsorships deals from qatar for it's weather. The national channels like RTE here in Ireland sold ads space promoting travel to qatar, UAE and Saudi Arabia. The same destinations that their news reports demonise about the rights of foreign workers, LGBTQ, and woman.

Sky sports presenters and pundits brown nose and fall over themselves about the success of city and guardiola. Without stating the obvious, that without UAE regime sports washing funds. city would most likely be a yo yo championship side, that gardiola wouldn't have given a second glance at after his sabbatical. Will fifa cancel the agreement with qatar airways, Will arsenal cancel their agreement with Emirates Airlines, i don't think so. I'm a liverpool fan, and crave success for my team. And if that means a middle Eastern ownership, then so be it.

Finglasred

1.) 07 Dec 2022 23:36:18
Amnesty International? Bad example bud lol.


2.) 07 Dec 2022 23:48:11
If it’s just about money, what’s the point?

Did you play footy as a little kid? If you did, did you pretend to be your favourite player or did you pretend to be the world’s most highly paid player? Just asking.


3.) 08 Dec 2022 07:29:06
WDW mate LFC is a global brand and fans globally only crave for success they hardly care where money comes from. That's the harsh truth of football fans.

Having said that City owners have done much more for community infrastructure in Manchester then combined owner's of EPL.


4.) 08 Dec 2022 07:36:26
Most people probably wouldn't have a long term issue with middle eastern ownership. Unless that ownership made it clear that they were anti gay and human rights meant nothing to them. In which case it's doubtful that FSG would sell to them anyway.
But it still isn't clear whether it will be a full sale or an investment based joint ownership so there's nothing to get our panties in bunch about.
Yet.

{Ed025's Note - FSG will sell to the highest bidder flash. To presume anything else would be very naive mate..


5.) 08 Dec 2022 09:51:18
I am just curious how many people have flown using Emirates? Or gone to Dubai for a shopping holiday? Or taken the Emirates gondolier in London? Isn’t this endorsing the petrol states?

We are all one step away from this but to take the moral high ground we have to be unimpeachable and sadly, I know I am not.

I have taken the Emirates gondolier with my children and it is bloody amazing, especially when the planes take off from City.


6.) 08 Dec 2022 12:10:44
As if FSG would take a smaller bid ahah, you not seen how they've been operating the last few years LOL.


 

 

07 Nov 2022 19:27:32
We tried the moral high ground before and it held us back 30 years. I can remember utd becoming a PLC, scouring the world for sponsorships, we as owner's and fans took the moral high ground, proper community clubs don't do that. We stood loyal to our two or three sponsors. While utd brought out a shirt every season, had car companies sponsor their subs bench.

We as a proper community club stuck to plastic subs benches and a new shirt every two seasons. And while utd followed the dollar into the far east, we held our preseason friendlies v Stockholm and dundalk. Utd became a world force, a global brand. we became the rust belt of English football, a proud and successful history.

But bypassed by believing you just need community in a global market. We should be forever grateful to FSG for putting us on the global stage with sponsorships, upgrading our precious Anfield. We can't stand still again.

If competing financially with regime owned clubs, is to become one then so be it. If governments and football ruling bodies don't find them immortal and law breaking. Then how can i, a mere fan who drives for a living. And hope for the best for my team.

Finglasred

1.) 07 Nov 2022 19:49:43
I agree Fing.


2.) 07 Nov 2022 19:58:19
Hello Finglasred, Great post submitted take a Bow Sir, am like thee if you can't beat them, then join them, even if it's immoral it certainly does not bother two teams just down the East Lancs, the days of being squeaky clean are long gone never to return?

What a draw for a certain team down the Lancs LFC, RM, PSG, and BM could disappear from the CL in the next round, which brings to mind "only cheats prosper"? i can remember when that used to be the other way round!


3.) 07 Nov 2022 20:01:56
From a Liverpool fan’s perspective I’d love us to be able to buy the best players in the world, the best squad, the best manager and play brilliant football that I’d love to watch.

For about 18 months recently we had the best team in the world and we have the best manager in the world too. We’ve won everything there is to win and do you know what we did it because we recognised the right players (not the most expensive players) to do the job and without the ‘oligarchs’ (don’t you just love a buzz word) . I’m proud of the club, what it stands for, and what it fights for (JFT97). How can you struggle for justice for some and not others?

Sure you can buy success - what’s the point? It’s about the journey not the destination.

Come on you Redmen.

{Ed025's Note - great post WDW. You could be an evertonian with that train of thought mate..


4.) 07 Nov 2022 20:33:02
Very good thread lads.

Both sides well thought out and very well delivered.

As for the fans. I honestly doubt we'll have a say either way.


5.) 07 Nov 2022 20:29:32
Ed 25,if the toffees were to be bought out by a middle Eastern ruler, you would make a very lonely figure outside of goodison with your owners out plaque, WDW you can only be lucky with purchases for a certain while, klopp will need more then three windows to replace an aging midfield, and with no coutiho like sale to fund it. It will be with mid range players to do it.


6.) 07 Nov 2022 20:47:27
From everyone who isn’t a Liverpool fan though they seem happy enough for City to win the league as long as it’s not Liverpool.


7.) 07 Nov 2022 20:48:07
Great post. Bring on the Billions.


8.) 07 Nov 2022 21:04:53
You have the ultimate say MLG, you can either partake or not.
On a purely practical level, looking at the Newcastle and Man City takeovers, these are part of a much larger investment vehicle.
Large swathes of once public-owned Manchester are now in the ownership of Abu Dhabi, on 1000 years leases.
Residential blocks with no affordable housing, many of which lie vacant and do nothing to meet the nation’s housing crisis.
FSG worked with Liverpool City Council and social housing providers when upgrading Anfield.
Not sure if this would be the case otherwise.


9.) 07 Nov 2022 21:15:54
Yep great post WDW says the Ed who has to accept season after season of failure. The bitterness would be out of this world if we could afford top players each year.

{Ed025's Note - it has nothing to do with bitterness WM. It’s to do with being mercenaries. Anything for a bit of success hey mate?.. how shallow..


10.) 07 Nov 2022 22:26:26
To me there is football the sport which I started watching as a kid at the start of the 1960’s and football the business which is lead by a bunch of conniving thieves (sorry FIFA) aided and abetted by the likes of UEFA and the FA who sell the soul of the GAME for money - money to line their own pockets - who only act when their cash cow comes under threat.

I’m not stupid enough to think that the game takes precedence over the business and economics will always win out whilst there is a profit to be had.

Maybe it’s a generational thing but I can remember times when teams won because they brought through players at club level rather than buying the next ready made thing from the Maldives or some other remote part of the world (who would guarantee and advertising bonanza in their country of birth.

Tottenham at the start of the. 60’s, West Ham in the mid-60’s, United with Busby and the Belfast Boy, Arsenal doing the double, the hated Leeds team under Revie, us under Shanks, Uncle Joe, Sir Bob. Even the Evertonians with the great midfield of Kendall, Harvey and Ball. Great football teams who played the game not the business.

Of course FSG’s primary goal is to make money And whilst I do think they have an eye for keeping the fans on side I’m sure that the allure of a number with lots of numbers in it would be enough to see them take the money. Equally, if they decided to sell I’m sure that there are any number of obscenely wealthy people who would be interested if they saw a decent profit to be made. As a realist I know it’ll happen but as a little kid who thought Ron Yeats was a real giant I really wish it didn’t have to.

I’m not having a go at anybody here by the way - we are all fans of the club and the game and can completely see the argument - if the corrupt sods running the game are happy to let things happen then there’s nothing we as fans can do about it, other than walk away. All I’m saying is from my perspective it’s just another sad step in Liverpool the football club becoming Liverpool the business.


11.) 07 Nov 2022 22:40:50
Great post finglas ? me das family all hail from wellmount, I grew up not far away, in corduff. Used to play for rivermount.


12.) 07 Nov 2022 22:41:29
This whole situation has made a mountain out of a mole hill. Everyone is rambling about middle Eastern investors but they might not even get a look in.

There will be people from all over the world who want liverpool.

We know the humanitarian issues from some middle Eastern backers and I can see both sides of the argument.

Yes it would be lovely to have all that extra cash, finding rough gems can't last forever and let's be honest any player that improves our side now is costing mega money.

But then obviously we have the moral implications brought on by it all, but ask yourself this question. How many people stop going to the games or buying merch because of questions regarding our owners wealth? I'd say not many and that goes for any club.

Yes it may leave a bitter taste in the mouth at first but people will get over it.

The only ethical way to level the playing fields in my opinion is to crack down on financial fair play, introduce salary caps and transfer fee caps too. Is this going to happen? 100% no.

As it stands there aren't many people in the world that can match fsgs valuation.

The ethical option is always the best, but not necessarily for business and that's how FSG will look at it.

Lots of posts from people playing holier than thou, posted via their iPhone made in a Chinese sweat shop.


13.) 07 Nov 2022 22:22:43
Agree totally ed25.


14.) 07 Nov 2022 23:09:27
How do most fans here feel about selling the naming rights for Anfield like Barcelona have done with the Spotify Camp Nou? I for one don't care although I feel there would be uproar if we did with the usual "selling our soul" stuff. I think there's worse things we could do and some fans don't like to accept that if you want big investment in a club to remain competitive, whoever it is investing is going to want something back in return.


15.) 07 Nov 2022 23:20:40
@Bmena-red, Me too, but don’t tell him.


16.) 07 Nov 2022 23:26:58
@Ashy, people who want to go the the match will rationalise It and then not think about it - that’s just human nature. It’s probably not a view that would be shared by the poor sods who are the subject of oppression meted out by the chaps buying up football clubs. Just saying.

Anyway, FSG have said for a while that they are happy for suitable potential stakeholders to be brought on board, so nothing has really changed I suspect. It’s fair to say that incorporating additional stakeholders is not quite the same as selling the club off to the dark lord Beelzebub.


17.) 08 Nov 2022 00:06:52
Also was it us taking the moral high ground or was it David Moore's complete lack of competence and foresight? I'd say the latter.

{Ed001's Note - 100% the latter.}


18.) 08 Nov 2022 02:22:14
Moral High ground? it was just dumb business.
Money doesn't have to be fraught with immorality much in the same way that doing things the "right way" doesn't have to mean spending pennies.


19.) 08 Nov 2022 02:49:30
Its fine. with little bit of changes in decisions we wouldn't have waited 30 years mate. more high ground above people who are scums of the world anyday mate (regime of east) but to each their own i guess.


20.) 08 Nov 2022 04:45:08
The right answer for me is that we get taken over by a free-spending, multi-billionaire conglomerate who adhere to financial fair play and avoid associating themselves with those responsible for human rights injustices. Seeing as how this is incredibly unlikely, it all depends on how low we are happy for the morality bar to sink. I reckon if we can find new owners who are ok with passing brown envelope to a few VAR officials and add laxatives to Utds match day breakfasts, we could very soon see the PL trophy held aloft for Liverpool in the McHappy Meal stadium. It might not be ethical but who cares as long as we’re rich and successful, right?


21.) 08 Nov 2022 08:12:47
We've done enough moaning about City and then Newcastle over the years and now when it suits we are prepared to do the same! I don't want that for my club, i'd rather lose than win that way.


22.) 08 Nov 2022 09:26:00
Sorry ed025, how much again have you lot spent in the last 5 years?

{Ed025's Note - shed loads John. Too much in fact. I’m not a fan of buying big money players for the sake of it mate. We have made massive mistakes and are now paying for it..


23.) 08 Nov 2022 10:04:32
Spot on, WDW, Nkunku and Ed25. Me personally, keep these dirty, filthy oil state rags well a way from my club. Under FSG, we competed for everything and won EVERYTHING, end of. Sure, we could have won more and signed more boss players BUT we could have won less and on another day, the players that we brought in and got us success, could have gone elsewhere.

Oh and btw had JWH not allowed himself to be convinced by the data analytics team, Klopp would NOT be here cos he didn't want to hire him at the start due to his last season at Dortmund. Also, we have shown we can compete with the Oil State clubs and have the medals to prove it so the idea that being owned by an oil state is the ONLY way to compete is NOT even true. IMO, all we need is a bit more cash flow and upgrade on the current model and we will be sound. Newcastle, PSG and City are clubs I do NOT care for and never will BUT that's just me.

If people want such owners, they will give excuses for why we should get them and give all types of reasons to convince themselves of doing that one thing they most probably loathed and mocked when City and Newcastle did it. That's on them and their cross to bear. For me, I am in charge of my actions and thoughts and NO, I do not want that ownership model for my club and NEVER will. I love my team and love the players who came here under Klopp when we were nothing and pushed us to the pinnacle of football along with Klopp and FSG. WE did it OUR way. Mercenaries can do one, like ED25 said. Oil states are NOT welcome at my club, end of. That's my opinion and Im sticking with it. YNWA!


 

 

 

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