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02 Jul 2019 03:13:05
Hi all,

Much talk about buying players only if players leave. One thing that Man U and Fergie did extremely well was buying when they needed and keeping them on top. Of course there were times when it didn't work out (Veron) and times when it did (Van Persie) .

Last season what we needed was more obvious and we did it extremely well (Allison) .

So what's missing from the squad? As we all know, the answer to that is not a lot but I believe if you say we can't improve then that's when we stop moving forward.

We scored a whole bunch of goals and i'm not complaining, but if there's one area where we could improve, it's goals from midfield. In all comps, Milner 7, Shaqiri 6, Wijnaldum 5, Keita 3, Fabinho and Henderson 1. In total that's a decent amount from midfield but imagine a player who could burst through from midfield and score with relative consistency. A player that we all have confidence in to do that. Like we have confidence in the front three or the defense. Confidence in players can change a team from slightly nervy to at ease.

Small improvements can take us from 2nd to 1st. For Man city both Silvas scored double figures and de Bruyne surely would have without the injuries.

Perhaps Ox can prove to be that player for us. Not complaining but just looking to see where that extra couple of percent can come from.

Potclay

1.) 02 Jul 2019 07:02:35
I think the extra percent of two comes from midfield goals as you mention, and by having someone to allow us to rotate/ rest our front three without a significant drop in qualify. The huge question is whether the return of Ox / Keita improving can help with point 1, and whether Origi or Shaqiri are good enough for point 2.

I think the fact that the answer is debateable on both counts means we should be looking at Fekir who can help out in both these positions and is a step up in quality from Origi and a step up in effort from Shaqiri. Lallana moving on to make space would be the answer IMO.

The other possible area is cover for the fullbacks, however I feel with Milner hopefully staying on, thats less of an issue now.


2.) 02 Jul 2019 08:30:56
You don't need goals from midfield as much when two of your forwards share the golden boot.


3.) 02 Jul 2019 10:12:56
I think a season with ox and Keita will provide more goals from midfield they will push each other to perform better as they will essentially be competing for the same spot.

I imagine Henderson will probably score as well if he's given license to roam like he was towards the end of the season.

While it's true that you don't need goals from midfield when your rewards are sharing the golden boot it's actually better to get an even share of goals from most of your team than from one or two players. Much harder to stop a team who are a threat from everywhere than one where it's just up top.


4.) 02 Jul 2019 10:25:07
My own humble opinion Potclay with Utd and Fergie was they went and sorted the area that was weakest the previous season (seems the obvious thing to do but not all clubs do it) . A very simple transfer strategy but was very effective. For example, in Fergies second last season they lost the title on goal difference to City. Van Persie was top scorer that season so Utd went out and bought him. The rest is history as they say.
Again my own opinion but I felt that during Utds dominance if one of their closest rivals were interested in a good player Utd would always try and sabotage the deal by either buying the player themselves to make sure their rival didn't strengthen their squad or by making sure they made them pay more than they initially intended.


5.) 02 Jul 2019 10:32:01
I disagree Epic.

We lost the league due to too many draws, three of those were 0-0, where the front three were closed out.


6.) 02 Jul 2019 12:04:24
Epic is right though. And our brilliant forwards may not score as many without that robust and industrious midfield.

That said, i agree that we need more goals from midfield. But remember, fab didn't start for a long time. When he did, players like gini, hendo and milner had more licence to get forward. All three, including Aoc and lallana, are capable of scoring. In fact Aoc and Lallana have reached double figures many times.

{Ed001's Note - exactly mate, someone has finally pointed out the key that is Fabinho. In the first half of the season the midfield barely got into the box. Once Fabs was established in the holding role, there was regularly one of them bursting into the box. They will score more simply because of having that freedom to get forward.}


7.) 02 Jul 2019 14:01:35
Yeah fabhino was a brilliant signing. I remember seeing him in his tracksuit in the first half of the season, watching the games. He looked hungry. Genius from klopp. He played a couple of dodgy passes but more than made up for them with his gerrard-like tackling and ariel prowess. And the lad can pass.

I think his joining has made liverpool fans appreciate our captain all the more too. Henderson played that role for years and was pretty much excellent there (we did make the final last year as well! Milner Hendo Gini. ) But seeing him in a more attacking role has brought out the best of him imo.


8.) 02 Jul 2019 16:05:26
Drogie I think we lost the league because we lost points against City not because of the 0-0's. You have to take points against your biggest rival.


9.) 02 Jul 2019 16:47:47
Shents is right, if we would have got one more 0-0 result away to city, instead of the 2-1 defeat we would have won the premier league with 98 points City would have finished with 96.


10.) 02 Jul 2019 16:50:48
We came 2nd because we didn't get as many points as City. Its that simple.

Hindsight is a brilliant thing but also pretty useless.

It's football. You could say that had kompany not scored that screamer (fair play to him btw, been a brilliant CB in this league) we would have won it.

You could say that when city came to anfield for a draw, we nearly won it. Its a matter of inches.

That was the first time EVER under pep that i've seen city set up that way. We are one of the best teams in the world. We are one of the best teams that the premier league has ever seen (97 points)

Its coming, with fab fit and starting i think we're going to out score city. Having three of our best players going deep in the Afcom is a worry though.

Im going to predict that firmino gets the golden boot this term.


11.) 02 Jul 2019 19:58:31
Spot on, Robbie. Hindsight for me, is irrelevant. It's like you telling a manager what he should have done after having the luxury of watching the game after the fact, and thinking you are a genius.

I want the OP to know that our midfield CAN score goals and HAVE scored goals in the past. Also as Ed01 alluded to, Fab needed time to bed in and with Ox (who I said we m=needed moire that Fekir) out injured, we could not release the hounds that was Hendo and to some extent, Wiji. We all saw how awesome they were when Fab was in form and allowed them to get forward. Ask Barcelona if our midfield can't score goals.

I mean, we got almost 100 points in a season when we had to bed in Allison, Fab, Shaq and Keita while City only had to bed in Mahrez who in the end, was not really needed overall. That is just insane if you look at it from that perspective. Now, Imagine what we can do with near no one to bed into the first 11 this season? Our midfield is fine and with Ox and Keita pushing on, I expect more goals from them. Keep The Faith, lads!


12.) 03 Jul 2019 10:08:17
Well said Redwolf.

Anyone remember Oxlade Chamberlain bursting through and scoring screamers?
And Henderson started getting in the box and scored a big goal. Same with Milner and Wjinaldum, both scored big goals in the second half of the season.


 

 

12 Mar 2019 23:52:29
Told the wife, "Big game tonight, Liverpool are playing Bayern Munich. "

There was a gap of about 5 mins and then she said, "Is he good this Munich? "

"What are you talking about? " I said.

"You said Liverpool are buying Munich! Is he an attacker, defender or what? "

Gotta love being married!

Potclay

1.) 13 Mar 2019 06:57:18
My wife would have said "that's a bit unfair, the whole Liverpool team playing a bloke called Brian. "


2.) 13 Mar 2019 09:01:25
Mrs Keague would just tut at me and storm off 🙄.


3.) 13 Mar 2019 11:40:17
I’m also going with a tut. the ‘do you really need to stay up past midnight just to watch a football game’ stopped a while back.


4.) 13 Mar 2019 11:47:54
Reminded my missus about the game ( in other words hint hint, the kids need to be in bed early ) all she was interested in was doing a bet
3-2 to us she's gone. Let's hope she's right for once

Thank god she doesn't read this site.


5.) 13 Mar 2019 12:32:06
My Wife would say how could liverpool be playing the film Munich 😪.


6.) 13 Mar 2019 13:44:44
My wife doesn't talk to me.


7.) 13 Mar 2019 14:47:50
Rugby Parker you are one lucky man.


8.) 13 Mar 2019 14:56:07
My Mrs just says stop shouting at the TV they can’t hear you you know! 😂.


9.) 13 Mar 2019 16:43:12
My wife is the niece of one of my greatest enemies.


10.) 13 Mar 2019 18:02:24
Christ I have it better than I thought,
My wife normally says "I want to watch Eastenders, can you go out to watch the match? ". I kid you not lol.


 

 

29 May 2018 00:02:18
Hi all, just a bit of banter.

We live in Japan, so I woke up this morning to the news we had our first signing. Sat at the breakfast table with the wife and kid. Informed them that we had made our first signing, Fabinho. Quick as a flash my youngest comes back with, "Is he a keeper? "

I stand behind our players but couldn't help a giggle at that!

Potclay

1.) 29 May 2018 00:05:44
Got to love kids. Love thes post 👍.


2.) 29 May 2018 00:06:43
I don't think we will sign a keeper. Or if we do I believe Karius will keep his place. Controvesial view I know.


3.) 29 May 2018 00:09:41
We will sign a keeper and Karius won’t keep his place. Not controversial view, I know.


4.) 29 May 2018 00:55:59
Lol, I dunno, if he drops Karius for good then klopp has to say it was a mistake to sign him. I also think klopp might decide to stick with him after the rough time he's had. And I also think he is a good keeper. Those mistakes were psychological. And loris now has a type of experience that you can't buy. I think we may sign a keeper but if its butland I think Karius will get the no1, navas too. Loris never recovered from the first mistake. He won't do that again.


5.) 29 May 2018 02:19:01
Haha! Sounds like a nice family! Where are you at? Greetings from Fukuoka!


6.) 29 May 2018 08:33:08
Prince Hendo, I agree with your post except one point. If Klopp drops Karius, it does not mean it was a mistake to sign him. It does not work that way, IMO. Karius has improved since coming in and during that time, he must have been convinced that he was looking like the right man for the job. Then Sat happened. His errors does not remove from the fact that Karius has improved us since he came in so if Klopp sells him, it would only mean that he thinks he can't bounce back from this and to protect him, he has to go. That does not mean he made a mistake signing him. It only means circumstances have changed hence, other parameters have to be considered. It is not and either/ or situation, IMO.


 

 

12 Apr 2017 00:32:02
Hi all, been a while. Wanted to ask about Hendo.

A few years back, old red nose wrote about Hendo in his book - ". Henderson runs from his knees, with a straight back, while the modern footballer runs from the hips. We thought his gait might cause him problems later in his career. "

At the time I thought he was just stirring things up like he did with the comments on Gerrard. For the past couple of seasons JH is beginning to have a serious amount of time away from the pitch. As much as I would hate it, was Fergie right or are these things totally unrelated?

A player like Sturridge is likely to be shown the door because of injury. Is Hendo moving into that territory?

Potclay

1.) 12 Apr 2017 05:37:41
From what I understand the injury he has now is not related to his gait.


2.) 12 Apr 2017 09:43:48
He has plantar (can't spell second word! ) facieitis which is a foot injury that actually can turn into a condition to be managed (as it has with Hendo) rather than ever he cured. In hendo its affected his heel. My dad got this and it affect the ball of his foot (allegedly from stepping awkwardly on an acorn! ) and it took over a year to settle down. And my dad is no athlete!

It has as much to do with Hendo's gait as Shrek has to do with beauty.

🥃 👃 was just stirring.


3.) 12 Apr 2017 14:41:56
Hey reds first time poster but have read this sight multiple times a day since the babelcopter and ken aguero days. Love the sight and appreciate everything the eds do (esp ed2 dealing with the retromingent glifnards.

What hendo suffers from is plantar fasciitis. Believe me it is no joke. I suffered for two years with it. Literally there were times I collapsed to my feet in pain upon getting out of my car. I spent well over $10k seeking treatment to no avail over the two years. Then one day I went to a running store thinking a top notch pair of running shoes would help. The lady in fact said no you need to get this product. The company is called triggerpoint but I forget the exact item. Anyways she had me do an exercise that took about a minute. Immediate relief. I performed this exercise twice daily (and still do to this day) and have zero problems. I guess the point is I know some of tou (ed1 squaretomato) have contacts at the club if there is anyway to get this info to them. It costs a mere $100 usd and I would swear by it. It's a long shot but this thing performed a miracle for me and maybe it could help our beloved captain.


4.) 12 Apr 2017 20:16:05
Red nosed whiskey face was just peeved that he got roundly rejected by Hendo cos he picked LFC over his mob. That's all. Hendo's foot condition has nothing to do with whatever the bitter old man had to say.

{Ed025's Note - thats not a very nice thing to say about the most successful british manager of all time N red..


5.) 13 Apr 2017 12:34:21
Agree with you, Ed025, its not a nice thing to say!

True though.

{Ed025's Note - he got on my tits at times zeddicus but he was one hell of a manager mate..


 

 

10 Jul 2015 01:33:01
Hi all,

Just seen the first training session pics and that buzz of a new season and that anything is possible is upon me : )

I am 100% behind Liverpool, players and management. We win together - we lose together.

I believe that we can have a good season and that Brendan Rodgers and team can deliver a successful season.

We are Liverpool !!! So let's start showing it.

C'MON you red men !!!

Pot

Potclay

1.) 10 Jul 2015 06:58:08
Wish Rodgers had the same mindset. If we win, it will be all him. If we lose, it will be someone else's fault.


2.) 10 Jul 2015 07:57:57
Sorry potclay- as much as I want br to be a success at lfc for the clubs sake, I no longer think it will happen.
At this point in his career he just has too many flaws to be a CL level manager.
We won't get higher than 5th or 6th while he is manager.
I believe he has to go before we have any chance of making CL again.
We will make the usual slow start, get battered away from home a few times, and he'll be gone by xmas anyway.
You always have hope we can do well, as I hoped last January that we could get back into the top four. But looking at it more logically, for me next season is already a write off if br starts it as manager.


3.) 10 Jul 2015 08:30:00
With the squad we have and another two coming in, we are right up there to challenge the title.
We have some individual brilliance in our squad. they going to bail out BR.


4.) 10 Jul 2015 09:10:29
Liverpres you like many others are a hypocrit.
Your mentality is : if we win and finish 2nd it's Suarez or Bielsas success, if we finish 7th its Brendan's fault.


5.) 10 Jul 2015 11:12:44
Mate Rodgers was praised when we finished 2nd and he showed humility to learn things and implement it in 2013-14.In 2014-15 when we were struggling initially not many criticised him infact many of them felt the reason being loss of suarez.But once he started playing players out of position, was being arrogant to change his tactics,then people started losing faith in him.
Other thing is we had players with winning mentality on pitch in 2013-14 season.But when we loss such players it is the role of manager to instill such mentality in players examples being Sevilla,Atletico Madrid.


6.) 10 Jul 2015 12:08:57
The fact is FSG have decided Rodgers will get another season, and we'll do nothing but exacerbate the issue by writing him and the team off before they've kicked a ball.


 

 

 

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21 Mar 2019 12:19:30
Ed 1, Did start with a caveat, stating i had no idea! lol

We did sign 2 midfielders in an area we had cover for. If Shaq is not working out its not beyond belief that he may look for something better.

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21 Mar 2019 02:23:08
I have no idea what's true or not but I was watching an interview with Souness the other day. He said that last season Klopp signed 2 midfielders (Shaqiri, Fabinho) and tried to sign another (Fekir) . All of which suggests he identifies the midfield as an area that needed/ needs strengthening. It is also true that many people are suggesting that the midfield will have a clearout (Lallana, Milner) I also remember before last season Gini being touted as surplus.

All of the above doesn't guarantee anything, but it does suggest that Klopp looking at another midfielder isn't as far fetched as some would believe.

Potclay

{Ed001's Note - how many times will I have to say this before people listen? Klopp signed Shaqiri instead of Fekir. When he couldn't get Fekir, he went and got Shaqiri instead. He wanted 2 midfielders. He signed 2 midfielders. Last summer suggests he got exactly what he wanted.}


 

 

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29 Oct 2015 23:21:37
Heh heh - great debate!

The one thing we should all agree on is that the best person to make this decision is Mr. Klopp. The manager is the one person who really knows about these players because he is with them on a daily basis. Who should play Tex or Lallana - I have no opinion other than whoever starts they will get my full support. I find that we tend to second guess the mangers (past and present) too much, we are not experts, we are fans and anyone who says otherwise is deluded. Of course everyones entitled to an opinion, but that's all it is and try and do it with a touch of humility.

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12 Jul 2015 01:47:48
I remember reading an article about why he chose Liverpool in the first place - We offered more money than anyone else. He showed his true colours then and is now. We were happy to take him then, I guess we shouldn't be surprised, he hasn't changed, it's just we are on the wrong end of his greed this time.

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19 May 2015 01:04:01
"Nothing you have said makes any sense" - Ed

Hate to argue with you Ed but - "losing the best player in the league and losing sturridge" - John0123

That makes perfect sense. Every pundit and observer has said our biggest problem this season has been goals. More than the manager, defense, contracts, etc.

Some have even gone as far as defending Sterling for his poor play as he is being asked to be a striker rather than provider. Gerrard is our top scorer with more goals than our 4 strikers put together. Same problem when Torres was out and we had N'gog as backup.

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{Ed001's Note - but that was used as an excuse for Rodgers, when it was Rodgers that chose the replacements, so the lack of goals is down to him.}


 

 

 

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26 Jun 2019 01:53:56
One thing that hasn't been mentioned here is that the players that have been at Chelsea have been able to adapt to different coaches. There are players out there who fit a specific way of playing and others who can play a number of ways without reducing the quality of their product. Ed. 002 is right, Chelsea have been incredibly successful with a variety of coaches. How much of that is down to the players in the squad and the coaches themselves is up for debate but there is no doubt the incoming coaches have all been able to work with what's in the pantry and turn out good results almost instantly without having to make whole sale changes. Good coaching or good squad? A bit of both in my mind.

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13 Jun 2019 03:43:05
Hi all thanks for the replies.

The original post said crying out to be filled and I agreed that no position was. I wasn't bashing our midfield but was simply trying to point out that top teams would be queing up for any of our front 3 or back five. With the exception of Fabinho I'm not convinced the same would be said of the midfield. Love Hendo, Wini came on a storm this season, Milner is now a legend, I hope Ox will be back to pre Roma form of last season, Shaq and Keita do need to improve but there is positivity there and Lallana.

My point was there is a small room for an improvement to come in, if he was available. If not then so be it, we are not crying out for it.

we are talking about small margins. I am fully aware that we did great but its those small margins we might need to overhaul city and win the league for the first time in 30 years.

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12 Jun 2019 02:15:09
I agree with the OP, there's no position that is crying out to be filled. I remember every man and his dog calling for the Viera position to be filled at Arsenal and they never did. GKs and defence has been our achilles for many seasons but our first choice 4 is pretty great atm.

The one area I would look at is the midfield. We have worldies at the top and the back but name me one Liverpool midfielder who would push for team of the season. You could make an argument for all of our front 3 (I know Firmino wasn't as great as the previous season but he's so important for us) . The back 4 - definately (if Gomez had stayed fit he could have been in the team of the season) . That leaves the midfield. In their own way I like all of them and they are all good players, but are any of them truly great players? Maybe Fabinho for what he provides but imagine a Silva, a de Bruyne or a motivated Pogba in our midfield. Not so much of a complaint but a response to the idea that we don't have areas to improve.

Oh before anyone says anything the GK spot is nailed down ; )

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03 Jun 2019 13:10:38
Klopp has spoken in interviews after the game saying that the 3 week break was a factor. He said it's not something that you can talk about during the build up.

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18 Mar 2019 00:51:12
Langland and anyone else down on a Liverpool win.

It wasn't so long ago that statistics were being paraded around about results after midweek European games. It used to be common place for teams to drop points after playing in Europe. It says so much about the standard to even get close to winning the league that noone is talking about that anymore.

3 games in 7 days, 2 away, 1 in Germany against Bayern Munich and we won all 3. That's a mighty return in my eyes.

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