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29 Oct 2020 15:44:40
Bearing in mind our current defensive issues, would you tweak the system to put 5 at the back e.g. phillips or hendo, rhys williams and gomez as centre backs? I say this because I do not think either partner to Gomez is good enough to play week in week out in the prem, perhaps an extra body will help out.

Also robertson and TAA spend most their time in the opposition third so moving them to wing backs we won't be losing anything. The only issue is what to do with midfielders/ attackers?

I realise I am not Klopp but just a thought which could make us more solid.


1.) 29 Oct 2020 16:41:51
Against Man City i would personally switch to a back 3 of Trent, R. Williams, Gomez.

I think Trent has the passing range to play centre back and hit those diagonal passes Virgil normally does to break City's press. He also has the pace to cover the wing back or in behind Williams in the centreof the 3. He's deceptively good in the air and at defending crosses too.

Milner in at right wing back with Robbo on the left. Hendo and Thiago in midfield. Mane, Salah and Jota up top to play on the break.

If the midfield 2 got over run you could then tuck Milner back inside and revert to a normal 4. Klopp will have his own plan though for sure, just my two pence.

2.) 29 Oct 2020 16:49:00
You'd play jota over Bobby mk?

3.) 29 Oct 2020 16:54:04
Trent is the worst defender we have no chance great going Forward And crossing but can’t defend at all.

4.) 29 Oct 2020 16:55:45
Not very often I disagree with you, MK, but that suggestion is going too far to fix a problem. Just don't see Trent playing in a back 3. The thought of him, Rhys Williams and Gomez puts the fear of dread in me to be honest. Stick to tried and trusted 4 at the back and not stick square pegs in round holes.

5.) 29 Oct 2020 16:30:10
I have also thought this and its an odd one because we almost already do play 3 at the back as whoever plays our DM normally fills in at the back for our full backs. There is a great video on BT sport of Ferdinand interviewing both Robbo and TAA on this and you can see Hendo fills in any gaps at the back often.

It would help Rhys/ Nat settle down, plus giving us someone with the ability to spray balls 50 yards to Mo and Mane at ease and taking away the press from other teams. This is something VVD did often. What do you think ED001?

I am sure Klopp will have lots of ideas regardless.

{Ed001's Note - I don't like 3 at the back.}

6.) 29 Oct 2020 18:28:48
The trick I believe will be to protect the defence from midfield more effectively than we have so far this season whilst a youngster is playing there. Hopefully Matip will be back soon.

7.) 29 Oct 2020 18:37:33
I disagree entirely on Trent being bad defensively. It's a myth in my opinion. He is a good 1 on 1 defender, and he makes a lot of clearances and back post headers. He's good in the offside trap too. I think he lacks concentration (in terms of people running past him off the ball) but i'm more looking at how they can hurt us and how we can nullify that.

City press very hard. Normally Virgil can just bypass that press with a long diagonal. Gomez tries his best but most go out for a throw in. If we want to get a foothold in the game against City i think we need a player in at centre back who can pass it out. If Matip or Fabinho is fit then sure, it's just the normal back 4 system with either of them and Gomez.

Our ability to play out of the press will be more important than Trent's one defensive weakness; which is tracking runners. If we keep kicking the ball back to them they will just keep coming until they score. The hardest part about playing City is they make you give them the ball and then you don't get it back for 5 minutes.

As i say, it's just an opinion but i worry about a centre back pairing of Gomez and Williams playing through City's press, that's all. I do fully understand that it is a controversial opinion to suggest playing a right back who rightly or wrongly is considered weak defensively.

On Jota over Firmino, Jota is more clinical and he thrives on counter attacking situations. I can't see us dominating City without Virgil or Fabinho. So we need players to take their chances, and with the legs to stretch City.

I'm not fussed about West Ham or Atalanta. We should just play the standard 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 with Williams alongside Gomez. They're not one of the top 5 teams in Europe unlike City. Normally we are good enough to just play our own game against anyone but for that one game i think Klopp needs a unique game plan.

8.) 29 Oct 2020 19:11:56
Interesting points them MK. I agree that the City game will be tough but I’m also not looking past West Ham or Atalanta with our defensive injury issues. Trent could work in a back 3 or it might not. We wouldn’t know unless it was tried. One thing I do know though is moving Trent from rb would take away one of our biggest attacking threats by moving what could easily be argued that Trent is one of or if not the best right back in world football. I think if Thiago and Hendo play against any opposition including City then we will be in a good place to dominate possession. Again another interesting point on Jota starting as well as the lad is definitely knocking on the door.

9.) 29 Oct 2020 19:38:01
Matip will be saved for City.

10.) 30 Oct 2020 01:41:46
I think Bobby has to play vs City. I really like jota, he's been brilliant. But Bobby creates nearly everything for our forwards.

11.) 30 Oct 2020 05:04:42
Why are we so fixated about City and talking extensively about the game against them when we haven't even played the Hammers and Atalanta? A lot could happen before the City game; let's go one game at a time!

12.) 30 Oct 2020 07:43:46
Creates nearly everything for the forwards 🤦🏻‍♂️.

{Ed025's Note - the bogey man, the grim reaper, bobby the creator..all urban myths..

13.) 30 Oct 2020 08:41:01
Bobby has 2 goals and 6 assists in his last 23 games. Don't be afraid to say it as it is. He's not been playing well since pre-lockdown at least. Possibly since the Club World Cup to be honest.

{Ed025's Note - i agree MK, some think its taboo to say if someone is not performing to their best mate..

14.) 30 Oct 2020 11:06:51
Thing is Ed025, people quite rightly defend his goal record with the argument that he brings a lot of other things to the team. That is fine if he is scoring 10-15 goals a season (roughly 1 in 4). It doesn't wash with me when he's on target to score 4-5 goals a season (roughly 1 in 10).

If he is going to get into goalscoring positions (which he does) he can't keep skying his shots or dragging them wide. It has cost us games. Jota has 3 goals in less than a month and he works just as hard if not harder. Bobby needs a kick up the back side. I love him, but he needs to spend less time inventing celebrations and more time actually working on putting it in the net.

{Ed025's Note - yeah MK i think a spell on the bench would do him no harm at all, he needs to focus on what he actually brings to the table for me and i know he works hard but is that enough?..not for a team like liverpool mate..

15.) 01 Nov 2020 07:07:14
Completely agree on Bobby and have been saying so for a while. At his best he’s the best in the world at what he does I. e. a couple years ago when he worked hard, brought others into play and scored 27 goals in a season. Right now he needs to be benched and re-set.



27 Jan 2020 22:10:49
Question to one of the eds. not liverpool related but a general football query. I do some part time scouting and over the weekend I saw a very good under 9 player. I was later informed that a premier league club are paying his dad £2,500 a month to keep the player on their books. Obviously this can't be legal. My question is, is this common? If a team get caught doing this would they be fined or receive a transfer ban?


{Ed002's Note - No it is not common and you are correct it is not legal. Under such circumstances the family would be acting as an agent and whilst schooling costs can be covered you cannot pay the "agent". This has got Manchester City in unresolved trouble over Jadon Sancho and a letter written to the FFF about another English club and French player this summer.}

1.) 28 Jan 2020 07:28:26
Not to be a picky so and so, but is that not just against the rules as opposed to being illegal? Quite a large distinction there. Either way, get your whistle out. Too much pressure too young.

2.) 28 Jan 2020 16:38:31
Stuff like this has been going on a life time and will continue to go on.
No matter how many rules are brought in it will continue. All the clubs want is too hit the jackpot once every few years.



28 Dec 2018 17:19:25
Its funny seeing ed002 acting as pantomime villain regarding the salah 'diving' incident. I do think ed002 has a point though. I remember last season when we played everton, lovren touched calvert lewin on the back and we conceded a penalty. At the time the majority of us on this site called calvert lewin a cheat and i think it is very similar to the salah incident. He could have stayed on his feet just like calvert lewin could have.


{Ed0333's Note - I actually thought the Calvert Lewis incident was a penalty mate.

1.) 28 Dec 2018 18:13:54
Neither were penaltys. Foolish defenders.

2.) 28 Dec 2018 18:38:51
Neither were penalties, Ed IMO. However, what gets my goat is the continued shifting of the goalposts when pundits and the like start saying what is a penalty or not. For example, the Calvert-Lewin pen according to many, was a penalty cos Lovren "touched him hence, he "has" to go down. That is patently false cos there is no rule in the books that say you cannot touch or body-up on a player in the box. Big Scam and Shearer said a the time, that Lovs should not have touched him (Shearer) or that a "soft pen" does not exist (Big Scam) cos it was convenient for them. Same with Kane at Anfield. They said cos Karius grazed him (minimal contact again), he had "a right" to go down, right?

Now the very same people are now saying that Salah dived (with clear and similar minimal contact on him) . So according to these "experts", Calvert-Lewin and Kane had a "right" to go down with minimal contact YET Salah doesn't? Salah gets to be investigated for diving yet Calvert-Lewin and Kane don't? This is my issue here. They need to stick to a story, be consistent and stop making it up as they go on.

{Ed0333's Note - we’re gonna win the league mate.

3.) 28 Dec 2018 18:42:03
Does it matter? That games gone, scored 3 other goals. Bring on the Arsenal tomorrow. In my opinion we played very poorly at the Emirates and I think we'll put in a top performance at Anfield.

4.) 28 Dec 2018 18:43:13
I'm actually ok with either beong penalties. It becomes very subjective amd we will never get a rule that makes it black and white. Defenders just need to be smarter and not give the refs a decision to make. Both incidents are ones where the defender cpuld easily have not touched the player at all and that wpuld have been that.

Also to those who know the fine print - does it mention anywhere in the rulebook about a threahold for a foul to be called a penalty or something like that?

5.) 28 Dec 2018 20:55:25
My opinion is that it wasn’t a penalty, Salah was touched but it wasn’t enough to pull him down and he made the most of it. But I don’t blame him for doing that as pointed out so many players for other teams do it. Kane Dele and Son all do that very well and often get rewarded with penalties. But it’s about consistency from the referees. I felt the Burnley players was pushed against arsenal and should’ve been awarded a penalty, but not given. Then the Everton disallowed goal for a push? Was certainly less contact than the Burnley one not given.

6.) 28 Dec 2018 22:51:23
I didn't, I said it was a penalty at the time, feel free to check the dates on archive posts. Lovrens mistake and dummets mistake the other day, both dived yet there was contact so both penalties.



28 Oct 2018 10:37:42
Morning fellow reds

Out of all of the players that we have out on loan, who do you think can push on and challenge for a first team spot for us next season?

For me its out of Kent and Wilson. I think Wilson slightly edges it though as the championship is a more difficult league and he's done really well.


1.) 28 Oct 2018 10:40:22
has to be Wilson for me! If he isn't scoring in the town for us it will be another top team. the kid has bags of potential.

2.) 28 Oct 2018 11:25:41
Has to be Wilson, really disappointed for Woodburn tho. Thought he could have been the one to make a name for himself.

3.) 28 Oct 2018 12:10:09
Unfortunately I think they are way off pushing for a first team place. But could push for a place in the Match day squad.

4.) 28 Oct 2018 12:34:27
Woodburn will get there, no doubt. Wilson will make it also. I can see Kent going north on a permanent deal.

5.) 28 Oct 2018 12:37:44
Too soon to write off Woodburn. Any manager will tell you that footaballer growth and development is always in spurts, never in a steady clear progression. He has time, so let's give it to him.



19 Dec 2017 15:19:23
Hi fellow reds,

one for banter.

I was just wondering which striker you guys would like to see leave in January either permanently or on loan.

My shout would be Sturridge on a permanent move as when he plays he just jogs around at 75% now and he has definitely lost a yard of pace which was his main strength.

I think Solanke is getting good experience with us even though it is not often enough. Ings could do with some game time out on loan but I would rather keep him for cover.


1.) 19 Dec 2017 15:41:34
out of the strikers Lfc has on books which includes Struddige, solanke, ings, firminio, origi and brewster, only 3 can stay in the first team. Firminio is a starter and then i want to keep Solanke and Brewster as a back up. i agree with u about sturridge and i think Ings will take a year or so to get back to complete fitnes and sharpness. And as per the rumours that we are about to loose brewster as he wants game time i would like to keep him in the team by giving him decent game time.

2.) 19 Dec 2017 16:28:30
Sturridge and Ings will both leave for first team football unless they get it over the next 6 months. Maybe even in January. Origi will likely stay at Wolfsburg. Brewster will probably sign for BVB or Juventus. I'm not convinced we need any more strikers even if those 4 leave. How many first team appearances have they made combined this season? About 8?

That leaves Firmino, Salah, Mane, Solanke and Woodburn; all capable of playing as a striker.

Next summer I'd focus on signing a creative attacker to replace Coutinho, adding another centre back if that isn't done in January, a right back to replace Clyne, an experienced keeper to replace Mignolet/ Ward/ Bogdan (with Karius No.1 and Grabara No.3) and a midfielder to replace Can. Other than that, just replacing any other first team regulars who leaves unexpectedly.

3.) 19 Dec 2017 16:50:54
One comment I would make is that none of our strikers are what you could call top class twenty a season types, for various reasons, so when you compare us to City, United, Chelsea and Spurs we are possibly lacking. But equally I’d expect Salah to get to twenty and he’ll be ably backed up with Firmino, Mane and Coutinho all getting double figures so it’s swings and roundabouts and for me, Centre defence, centre midfield and goalkeeper positions are the bigger concerns.

4.) 19 Dec 2017 17:42:34
Keep up with the scoring stats Mr Dennis.

5.) 19 Dec 2017 18:47:35
Firmino has thirteen before christmas.

6.) 19 Dec 2017 18:52:07
Our forward line is a natural goalscorer by "commitee" as in, all front players can score double digit goals and if they are all chipping in with double digit goals, who care about having some natural CF who if he has a bad game, the team is screwed. Ask Spurs and Harry Kane.

7.) 19 Dec 2017 19:17:50
Ings and sturridge should both leave for their own sake, when they were brought in they were good players and what we need, but the shape of the squad has changed and it is best for them to leave. Both good players when fit and firing and i wish nothing but the best for them.

I would keep one of origi or brewster but it is up to klopp to decide which one.

8.) 19 Dec 2017 19:41:30
Mr Dennis are spurs above us in the table? And apart from city we battling with the others for second place so for us lagging behind them as you say we aren't doing to bad are we? Another one of your posts that is just total nonsense.

9.) 19 Dec 2017 20:39:57
Spurs battered us though didn’t they? We still don’t have a top class striker and that is a fact, dress it up any way you like, we dropped 4 points against West Brom and Everton because we lacked a focal point for our attack when they sat back.

10.) 19 Dec 2017 21:33:13
Salah or Firmino not top class? You're having laugh?

11.) 19 Dec 2017 21:56:45
Lol exactly MK. I think he is having a laugh mate, surely?

12.) 19 Dec 2017 22:52:58
Spurs didn't batter us we literally handed them the game.

13.) 19 Dec 2017 23:24:20
Studge is done I’m afraid, and injuries have robbed ings of a potential fruitful stint with us following a good start. Bobby first choice, Solanke challenging him and Brewster to come through behind them when needed. Whilst I would like to see Ings make something with us I just can’t see it happening. Let’s hope he proves me wrong. Basically I’m a believer in having a definitive first 11 with another 11 players capable of filling in/ challenging and doing similar jobs to those first 11, supported by youth players coming through.

14.) 20 Dec 2017 08:42:38
We might as well sell Sturridge and Ings in January to be honest. That leaves us with Firmino, Solanke and Brewster as well as Salah and Mane to fill in if needed. We have 2 great young stikers in Solanke and Brewster, we can't let them rot in the reserves.

{Ed025's Note - both a bit raw yet for me Cyklopps, they may develop into great players but they are not there yet, especially with brewster it should be slowly slowly catchee monkey mate..

15.) 20 Dec 2017 10:24:43
Good Point Ed25 I think I can agree with you on Brewster as he is very young but I just hate to see our young talent get wasted like it has the last few years (Suso, Texiera, Smith, Coady, Rossiter) .
I really like what Everton have done with their youngsters. Having their first team players and then instead of buying in players for Squad rotation they give them places to their youngsters and I think in a few years it will all be worth it for the likes of Davies, Kenny, Calvert Lewin and Holgate.
And As for us Why not just move Salah to Striker then if Firmino get injured? I think it would work better to have someone like Solanke on the bench who need minutes then if needed instead of having someone like Sturridge who unfortunately look like he's passed it.

{Ed025's Note - as stevie wonder wrote " the children are our future" Cyklopps, i love how everton have used ours but maybe that was out of necessity rather than planning, its nice to see youngsters progress though and liverpool have some good youngsters of their own, but they need to give them a little run out now and then in a league cup game or coming off the bench when a game is won mate..




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10 Jan 2021 02:07:51
I would take socrates from arsenal. Bags of experience and going on the cheap. Good short term option.




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17 Jan 2018 12:10:18
you can't expect players to come from different leagues and replicate their goal tally. this is the most competitve league in the world and Hazard has proved he is one of the best players in the world. If he scores 100 goals a season in China, comes to England and only gets 20, does that mean he's underwhelmed?





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20 Jan 2021 15:58:59
I'd take a looks at socrates. 32 years old is not too old and he's got bags of experience. We don't play a high line any more so would fit in and free fabinho or hendo from CB.




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08 Jan 2021 22:44:22
You have to be joking about Naby right? What has Hendo got to do to be appreciated?




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09 Dec 2020 15:10:13
how? the person identified someone by saying 'the black person. ' I cannot see how that's wrong unless you want the word black removed from the dictionary. This is an incredibly slippery slope.


{Ed001's Note - again another who doesn't understand. The reason why there are N words that should not be used is because they are used in a derogatory fashion. They have been used that way for hundreds of years now and a match official appointed by UEFA is instructed in these things. There is no excuse. None of this nonsense about it is a Romanian word is acceptable because the officials are expressly instructed to ONLY use English while officiating in European football. This kind of instance is exactly why they are to only use English.}



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11 Sep 2020 13:57:40
Harry. Tyrion Lannister is actually one of my favourite characters from game of thrones but I am starting to hate him now because of your association with him. You are either a troll or completely delusional. I read your comments on this site and want to gorge my eyes out. The things you say are ridiculous, one example being your comments on Origi above. You think that brewster is currently better than him. Whilst brewster has more potential he has only played half a season in the championship compared to origis 4 or 5 seasons in the prem where he has scored goals and also done well in Europe. You compare him to N'gog which is mental. Honestly give it a rest.




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24 Aug 2020 00:54:03
Two things I've learnt this week:

1. Diego carlos is rash and reckless
2. Thiago is a touch of class.