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15 Aug 2023 10:33:24
Trent as our number 6 Bajetic as back up money spent on a quality CB.
1.) 15 Aug 2023 10:37:10
But Trent isn’t a 6. So he’d have to learn that role which will take time.
I feel sorry for him because he’s being moved here there and everywhere whereas he just needs to be given a position/ tactical role and allowed time to master it.
2.) 15 Aug 2023 10:37:29
Trent can't even defend the right side of the pitch, never mind the middle.
3.) 15 Aug 2023 10:47:15
Actually I don’t think Trent is bad in the middle from a defensive point of view. He reads the game fairly well, the defensive struggles appear to me because the team is out of shape and he is so far up the pitch most of the time there is far too much ground to cover and the whole back line is spread about as thin as my hair.
4.) 15 Aug 2023 10:48:01
Jesus, Trent as a DM? he's a liability as a right back. If he's switched anywhere it should be to a proper player maker in midfield and get a proper right back. Steve Wonder knows how to play against Trent.
5.) 15 Aug 2023 10:55:38
I'd prefer Trent in a right sided 8, anywhere that's away from defensive duties, just let him play in through balls and crosses all day, and the odd wonder goal.
6.) 15 Aug 2023 10:58:47
For someone whose poistional sense is poor you would like him to play the holding role lol.
7.) 15 Aug 2023 11:15:18
Johnzandt, the whole "Trent is a liability" is just stale talking points, man. Was he a liability at the Shed on Sun? IMO, he wasn't he was there on the cover tracking runners and his game intelligence to read danger and snuff it out was solid, IMO. Coukd he have done better on the goal? Maybe but that is on the whole defence not pushing up as a block. Now can he play the DM role? We will have tp see.
8.) 15 Aug 2023 11:20:51
Who would play right back? Bradley?
9.) 15 Aug 2023 11:46:44
Rigsby I would at the moment play Gomez but Bradley is definitely the way to go. It’s only an opinion
Up the pool.
10.) 15 Aug 2023 12:07:02
Bradley, all day Rigsby. And play Trent in midfield.
11.) 15 Aug 2023 12:18:19
I agree Trent to midfield but alongside a more traditional midfielder like Jones, Thiago or Macca. If we get a proper experienced DM then play him at 8 IMO.
12.) 15 Aug 2023 15:02:47
It's a fair call, Reddany.
I haven't seen anything of Bradley but I'd like to see him given a chance.
13.) 15 Aug 2023 15:11:22
I get the arguments against but he gets exposed so much because he is playing 2 roles?
I mean, I think he would be better in midfield and then have Bradley and Gomez fight it out/ rotate for the rb slot - we look more organised in a 4-3-3 than this hybrid thing, though it did produce results at the end of last season in fairness
Holding midfield or Hendo's spot as rcm? Who honestly knows, but surely him playing as a cdm would be better than nobody playing there? I mean Mac and Dom are better as 8s. Mac played the double pivot with Caceido so can certainly drop back when needed but is not disciplined enough to start as cdm - he is better further forward
If we did this, our starting midfield would be Mac, Trent and Dom - backed up by Jones, Bacjetic, Elliott and Thiago - that's not bad is it? I mean we all want a quality cdm but it's tough going getting one it seems and would mean one of Mac, Trent or Dom being on the bench
Think a few of the posters were saying that if we did this then we could use the 111m we bid for Caceido to land an absolute quality cb - that is surely worth thinking about?
The return to 4-3-3 would also see us get the best out of Robertson. I mean come on, the guy is one of the best attacking lbs the Premiership has seen - is he still top with assists? - and this new system is killing him. Some fans are actually saying he needs replaced too?
Surely as a team we should play to our strengths?
Robertson is one of those strengths - love him attacking and supporting Diaz etc and his defending is pretty decent too. Another strength is the quality passing that Trent has - would playing him as a cdm not give him the opportunity to spray some of those long balls about?
Look we might do it and realise this season that his best position is rcm and not cdm but it is his first full season in midfield so these things will happen surely - I think he should play full time in midfield and can see the argument made for a cdm role as I have explained above
Would also get the best out of Robertson and give both Bradley and Gomez a chance. Bradley is young and needs the opportunities to see if he can make it - same thing happened to Trent, given the opportunity and took it. Gomez also needs minutes, I think he is a confidence player and his confidence is shattered after a few dodgy games in cb last season. He has performed better at rb in fairness so would regular games there, rotating with Bradley, help him improve his game and return to the form he showed a couple of seasons ago?
Just worth exploring lads in my opinion.
14.) 15 Aug 2023 18:05:09
Brilliant shout there, SGred. I can definitely agree with your recommendations.
15.) 15 Aug 2023 19:26:18
No Trent cannot be a 6. He will be best suited to Hendo’s old role on the right of the midfield 3 in the normal 433 formation. Unfortunately it seems we have ditched that formation which is madness in my opinion.
16.) 15 Aug 2023 19:27:05
Trent at no6, he’s that good at 6 he wears two of them? Or twice as good.
11 Aug 2023 14:33:21
I'm surprised that Klopp hasn't pulled out of buy MC if he only wants Chelsea. Shame but rather have players who want to play for us. What's your opinion ed001
Up the pool.
{Ed001's Note - I wouldn't have been bidding for him anyway. He has shown he is flighty and a mercenary who will throw his toys out of the pram at the slightest thing. Even if he was desperate to join us I would be wary of him.}
1.) 11 Aug 2023 14:46:20
Think this does show we had the money for Bellingham but wanted Real Madrid. If only.
2.) 11 Aug 2023 15:04:46
Anyone think klopps comment regarding not having endless resources etc and stating not expecting Henderson and fabinho to leave is actually to highlight they would have wanted to bid earlier, (reason Chelsea are favourite due to putting work in all pre season) rather than an excuse for bidding such a big fee?
3.) 11 Aug 2023 15:18:11
I agree with the Ed about throwing his toys out. But two questions to you all . 1. How does a young player get like that? Surely his first big role and opportunity was Brighton! so I don’t understand the speed of that type of attitude.
2. Where do lfc go from here? I think still time for the window but at the moment I have no idea who they would go after because if they don’t we could be in a bit of trouble again.
4.) 11 Aug 2023 15:51:57
use the money to buy lavia and a lcb.
5.) 11 Aug 2023 16:13:57
Well Ed25, you were right after all. This player attitude is questionable. His agent is a big red flag. Wont be suprised if he's going to twerk for Madrid or Barcelona in 2 years time.
{Ed025's Note - he has a bit of history I’m afraid mfahmee. I bit of a setback of course but you don’t want players who are not totally committed to the club mate..
6.) 11 Aug 2023 16:13:54
He may well be money hungry but try and look at it from a wider picture. He is from Ecuador and has openly said he has a large family that is very poor. So in his head he wants the best for them and unfortunately that leaves him open to outside influence that may not have his best footballing interest in mind. Not long ago he was playing in Ecuador. Actually it was literally only a few years ago. This is why having a good team around you is essential.
Now, removing my red tinted glasses off I am well aware we are not everyone’s first choice, I understand that. But this Chelsea love in as you were doesn’t wash with me. Especially when you consider it was Arsenal at one point, not to mention United and Madrid that were his one and only dream club. From simply a footballing perspective, if he had a good team around him that was advising him on what’s best for his career - NO WAY does he turn Liverpool down for Chelsea who were technically out of the running. Nevermind a Chelsea that finished 12th and are in a massive transitional period. And let’s be honest as bad as we were they were 100 times worse, which is impressive. If Caicedo is off to Chelsea we have to go and get Lavia and Florentino!
7.) 11 Aug 2023 16:23:36
Let Chelsea have him I say . Great player bad attitude go get someone else we are Liverpool fc .
8.) 11 Aug 2023 16:42:10
Sounds like Caceido is doing no worse than any player that’s moved to Saudi.
At least he probably grew up knowing Chelsea FC existed.
9.) 11 Aug 2023 16:49:13
Before everyone totally over reacts (like they did when they thought we had him) maybe we should all stop listening to the journos and youtube clickbaiters and wait and see what happens.
The Eds will let us know the truth.
10.) 11 Aug 2023 16:50:05
More player power at Chelsea poch will be gone by Xmas.
11.) 11 Aug 2023 17:53:05
Let’s go get lavia and gravenberch and inacio and brush this whole debacle under the carpet . A
Then put a boss run together and take the fight to city and Arsenal ????.
12.) 11 Aug 2023 18:15:13
I have no problem with Caicedo not wanting to join LFC and preferring another team (s) . We all have our preferences in life ; no need to get judgemental about it. But I do have a problem with the club making an offer which is in fact an EPL record, and yet did not check with the player if he would consider us as his club should his current club accept an offer? Even if they did, and you can dress it up in as many ways as you like, but at the end of the day, our club does not exactly look good in terms of strategy and recruitment procedures. Or did they think that Brighton would be able to shove any club of their choice down Caicedo's throat as long as they got the money they wanted? Doesn't work that way with players anymore.
In my work since 40 years, I buy and sell from morning to night. And every single transaction involves negotiation. I never mind when there is a failed sale, because there's always another opportunity. But I get royally p*ssed with being unable (or fail) to purchase something that i really wanted. Probably because I know you never know if something similar will come to you again for purchase or not.
13.) 11 Aug 2023 21:30:15
ArAy, apparently Caicedo was ready to come to us but his agent got in his ear and convinced him to hold off his Chelsea would come back for him, per some in the media. Now if that is true which is 50/ 50 at best then, it means he was told that the club he wants to go to did not quit on him. Again, if this news is true.
14.) 11 Aug 2023 21:49:33
Oli, ah, I didn't know that. So it is all just about the money, after all. I've been defending Henderson and Fabinho for their moves, but I sure as hell am not defending this guy. ?.
01 May 2023 18:28:52
Ed001 what do you make of Curtis Jones run in the side seems to coincide with more improvements from the midfield. Personally think there is quite a good player in there so hoping he can really push on and save some money in the transfer market
Up the pool.
{Ed001's Note - I like Jones, the issue with him is injuries always seem to hit just as he gets a good run of form going. I know a lot of people have some kind of dislike of him, even ignoring every bit of good piece of defensive work he does to claim he does none. Personally though, I think he is a good prospect, but he needs this run to continue and not be stopped once more by injury. For me he can perform a similar role to Thiago, though in a completely different way, for the team.}
1.) 01 May 2023 18:42:24
Completely agree Ed. So happy he’s finally getting the opportunity to show what he can do, hopefully he can start most of the games from now til the end of the season.
{Ed001's Note - I am hoping he will make the position his own now for the rest of the season, then go away over the summer and work on his game to ensure he keeps it next season too.}
2.) 01 May 2023 18:49:02
Yeah I agree if he can steer clear of injuries it definitely helps his progression in the team. I also like he is a local lad which helps our identity if you know what I mean and shows academy prospects that there is a pathway to the first team.
{Ed001's Note - that is a bonus. Especially that the club has stuck with him through injury. That helps when the next generation of youngsters are deciding which club to join as their parents will see that as giving their son the best chance of making it.}
3.) 01 May 2023 18:54:53
Do we think if Curtis keeps up the performances then it’s one less midfielder required in the summer?
{Ed001's Note - I never thought we needed as many as others anyway. I would rather have space for youngsters to get game time than buy like Rodgers did to ensure that we never have to use any.}
4.) 01 May 2023 19:00:17
I reckon Elliot's place is more in question than CJ's, once new players come in, simply due to the system's Klopp plays.
Rumours of Thiago going back to FCB kicking around too.
5.) 01 May 2023 19:08:57
Ed001 how many signings you think we need for the summer and what positions?
Also interested to hear on your outs as well mate.
{Ed001's Note - well the outs would decide the number of ins really.
We have 4 centre-backs that we could really do with replacing with more reliable players. Phillips is fine as 4th choice, but no more than that. Personally I would look to offload Matip, lovely guy, good on the ball but not a good defender and injury prone. No need to replace him though as that would leave us with 4. I think we have to look to replace VVD while he has value, though I don't expect it to happen. So 2 out 1 in from defence, as I would stand pat on full-backs and only buy to replace anyone who wants to go.
Midfield we have the option to put Trent there if we keep Bradley in the squad (which I would have done this season). Added to Jones hopefully finally getting going and the emergence of Bajcetic, I think we only need, and I emphasis need, to get one player who strengthens the team. Getting rid of Ox and Keita leaves us no weaker and if either of Thiago or Fabinho left, then they would need replacing too. Other than that, I think we only really actually need just one quality player to transform the team.
Up front we don't really need additions, if anything we need to clear space, even with Firmino leaving. I know Jota has done well lately, but he is still best as an impact sub and is paid far too much for that role, so his place has to be under threat as he would raise funds for the midfield/centre-back addition we need. Or the other option would be to sell Salah, but as he is pretty much our only right-sided attacker other than Doak, that makes little sense.
I don't think we need the major surgery some think, we just need to get it right with what we have and buy quality. If the funds are there for another midfielder, then great, but I think the team has shown over and over again when injuries have hit in recent years that we can trust kids to fill in gaps. That is the bare minimum I am talking about, but we need to make some space in the squad first before we can do much anyway.}
6.) 01 May 2023 19:17:06
I'd happily let Thiago go back to Barcelona TBH RushysBugle. I get that he's a great player but I just don't think he's worked out for us at all (I know some here would disagree) and that's not his fault really, it's the system we play (or did play) . Jones - going off the last few games anyway - looks better suited to our preferred style, let's hope it works out long term because that's a huge amount of money saved for other positions of it does.
I'm torn on Elliot - he looks a good player but everytime I see mention of him replacing Salah eventually I have to think that I'm just not seeing that right now. He's young, let's see how it goes.
7.) 01 May 2023 19:38:32
johnnyr1970 I agree on all points. Elliot looks best suited to different tactics, and maybe even a different league.
8.) 01 May 2023 19:43:05
Part of the problem for me. He’s had his full season chance, they all have. Wether it be injures/ form/ or their legs.
Not good enough, he wouldn’t get near City, Arsenal, Newcastle, Man Utd midfields and he isn’t good enough for ours IMO.
9.) 01 May 2023 19:56:42
2 top midfielders and a top CB then replace any outgoing eg Kelleher, Tsimikas etc.
Ugarte/ Caideo and Mount/ Barella for midfield
Gvaridol is my CB choice but the 2 youngsters (forgotten their names) at Benfica and Sporting could be better alternatives.
10.) 01 May 2023 20:14:12
I think it's either one of Salah or Elliott, they both play the same position, and when they do play in the same starting 11 Salah always seems to be restricted, I would keep Elliott but maybe when Salah needs a rest then bring Harvey on.
11.) 01 May 2023 21:47:33
I think it will be Doak who will be Salah's natural successor and not Elliott. We're a couple of years away from that yet, but that's how I see it happening.
12.) 01 May 2023 21:16:46
Disagree with Ed01 here unusually. I think our midfield is very poor and need 2-3 quality additions, perhaps two starters and one up and coming talent. I totally agree the next area is defence, and I’d buy at least one player as Ed says. Up front we look good though I’d replace Firmino with another option, perhaps a young talent with promise. RB and LB as well as GK no changes.
13.) 01 May 2023 21:37:59
Cheers Ed. I think the Physio’s and S&C teams would have their work cut out next season keeping Konate and Gomez fit and Phillips could be the most active 4th choice centre half in the league.
On the forwards we’ve had 6 (senior) available for the 2nd half of the season and with 5 suns and injuries all have had plenty of minutes. I think going from 6 to 4 could leave us thin.
Personally I think we need 2 new midfielders in. I’m guessing just from what you’ve said in the past would it be Bellingham as your choice for the 1 to Come in.
{Ed001's Note - we wouldn't go to 4 forwards. We still have Carvalho and Doak to fill the back up slots.}
14.) 01 May 2023 22:09:24
fully agree ed1. been saying this for a few months, a major rebuild is absolutely the last thing we need, especially in the midfield.
The idea that 3-4 new midfielders would arrive in the summer and they would be the miracle 3-4 midfielders who walk in and magically contribute immediately is a pipe dream. We already have a bloated squad, especially in the midfield, thanks to Edwards and Ward. So just reassessing the actual need will be good.
Ed1 - I dream that somehow Klopp and co come to this realization and change their mind on blowing the funds on Bellingham and just going for him. I'd much rather we brought him in that 2 or 3 new midfielders for the same price.
{Ed001's Note - I am with you on that. Bellingham makes more sense than ever.}
15.) 02 May 2023 01:36:31
So a likely summer is two midfielders, a centre-back, a forward if Jota or Salah leaves and a back-up keeper.
16.) 02 May 2023 07:28:37
Changing too few players means we’re in danger of being stuck with the stale coaching and psychological performances.
I think the player churn is needed this time, unless we are radically changing the coaching staff.
{Ed001's Note - I don't think so at all, that suggests everything else is equal as well, which it isn't. For instance, there has already been a completely different plan of action drawn up for pre-season. Yes we will go on an Asian trip again, but this time they will spend a couple of weeks putting in the hard yards first and getting their baseline fitness up and going on what would otherwise be a low intensity week to allow bodies to recover ahead of more hard work. That is where it starts.
Last season the pre-season was a complete mess and we never recovered from it. They look to have absorbed the lessons from it and are working with a plan that should work much better.}
17.) 02 May 2023 07:41:09
I think the defence is the biggest concern and a first choice CB is essential. It’d cost a fortune but Gvardiol and Bellingham would improve the team to such a degree that a 200mil+ outlay for the pair would be the best piece of business. Obviously it is extremely unlikely but that sort of quality would be akin to when Van Dijk and Alisson joined in quick succession, and would massively upgrade the first team. We can but dream.
18.) 02 May 2023 08:18:36
Ed, I hope you’re right.
That Dubai camp post World Cup did nothing to enhance the season. So too the fortnight breaks we had in the season achieved no improvements in either fitness or tactics.
In fact I’ve unashamedly moaned about more time on the training pitch appearing to make us worse for a couple of years haha.
So forgive my scelticism that a better pre-season will have us ready to challenge.
{Ed001's Note - let's just hope so. It could hardly make us worse anyway.}
19.) 02 May 2023 08:36:53
We live in hope.
20.) 02 May 2023 10:43:15
I'd love to see that Seano - Bellingham and Gvardiol, tbh I'd like Ndicka on a free as well and then we could sell a couple as well
I'd def sell Matip while we can - great player but injuries playing too much a factor these days.
21.) 02 May 2023 11:35:32
Nice rundown, Ed01. For me, 3 players or 4 at the very max depending on who leaves and with a very good preseason, we should be ready to go but we will need to start fast regardless of the schedule cos top 4 is going to be a dog fight next season.
19 Apr 2023 10:57:09
Question for Ed001 and fellow reds. Would you go all in for Bellingham knowing that's our budget gone or buy 2/ 3 other players? Personally I'm a quality over quantity and say Bellingham in and start pushing the academy's players like Morton etc
Up the pool.
{Ed001's Note - I would go for Bellingham.}
1.) 19 Apr 2023 11:12:20
I'm with Ed here, Bellingham and maybe a few freebies, like Ndicka, as we must be saving some wage money this summer.
2.) 19 Apr 2023 11:27:16
I’m with you Ed001, would rather buy the right player over a few prospects, then fill in any gaps with freebies and kids.
You only have to look at the last 20 years to see buying quantity over quality doesn’t work for us. Whereas buying genuine quality more often than not pays off really well.
I remember the squad padding days of Houlier and Rafa.
It was only when Klopp started buying the absolute best available did the revolution start.
I’m find his recent “Ferrari” comments a little confusing, when we wanted a rolls Royce in defence, we went out and bought one, you could argue Alisson was the Ferrari of goalkeepers and we needed one and we bought one.
Now we need the Ferrari of midfielders, he’s available with the keys in the ignition and with a LFC4eva personalised number plate, let’s go and buy him.
I don’t see the squad needing as much of an overhaul as it’s been made out, we have some bright talents waiting to break through, there are some great players who will be available on frees. I just don’t see the need in buying several players for 30-40m each to be honest.
Especially when a few of them will be squad players anyway, like I see everyone saying we need a defender and to get rid of Matip and Gomez, well why spend money on that? Whoever comes in is going to be behind VVD and Konate anyway so either look at the acedemy or a freebie and save the £30m to go towards Jude.
And like you say, the tactics are what needs changing first and foremost, if this group of players were playing to their potential not many would be saying they all need replacing.
3.) 19 Apr 2023 11:39:31
I'm reminded of a poster from a few days back when the Bellingham news dropped - we have form with ruling ourselves out of the running with players before actually getting them anyway - from memory, VVD and Alisson were both in that category.
I am hoping that's what this is, or that Bellingham is staying at Dortmund for 1 more year.
I agree with Aldo, Bellingham linking up with Haaland and De Bruyne at City is a frightening and extremely depressing prospect!
4.) 19 Apr 2023 11:39:33
Isn’t Bellingham extremely low risk. Spread the cost over a few years and he has the resale value to recoup the fee or even more in a future sale.
5.) 19 Apr 2023 12:04:53
What do you say to Jude Bellingham when he asks what the long-term project is and who he is going to be playing with?
"Well, given you'll cost us so much money we'll have no choice but to pair you up with Elliott, Curtis, freebie Rabiot and Morton. But because you are so good, I am confident we will challenge for everything".
Honestly, we live in fantasy land with these strange scenarios.
6.) 19 Apr 2023 12:30:51
I honestly think Bellingham now too.
If you offered me Caicedo and Kephren Thuram then I'd think about it but the Gravenberch rumours have me a touch concerned. He s a massive step down in quality.
7.) 19 Apr 2023 12:42:57
That is a very valid scenario, FlyPelicanFly. Jude is awesome BUT we have too much to address right now for the money being touted for him. That is a reality that needs not be ignored, IMO. Had we been in a much better position then, maybe you can sell the benefits of going all in on Jude cos the bodies around him would already be there, like City did with Grealish BUT that's not the case so cut your coat according to your cloth.
8.) 19 Apr 2023 12:52:12
Bellingham all the way and a few out of contract players on a free.
But if you offered barrella, mac allister, mount and ndikia I'd be happy too.
But Bellingham is future captain and England captain.
9.) 19 Apr 2023 12:56:49
Assuming we want to challenge for the big honours again, we need 3 quality midfielders on the basis that we think Henderson, Thiago and Fabinho cannot be relied upon.
Elliot and Bajcetic are projects and need time and shouldn't become key dependencies. Elliott is a 10 anyway.
Curtis is a good squad player and will help the HG quota. Morton can add to the HG quota too if needed but again, only as a squad player.
If we had serious interest in Tchouameni last summer, then there should be enough money to correct that failure by signing Caicedo for a similar fee and still purchase another two midfielders this summer.
We would have known what Bellingham's price was going to be a year ago. So that is not new information.
This either/ or stuff is madness.
10.) 19 Apr 2023 12:58:23
Or on the other side of the coin pelican, you can say he will get to play with Alisson, VVD, Trent, Salah, Thiago (sometimes) and Nunez etc and that he will grow up being tutored by the best coach in the world and working along some of the best young talent in the world as well in Elliot, bajetic, doak etc.
He seems very much open to the move already so he’s obviously a bit more impressed with things than yourself.
11.) 19 Apr 2023 13:01:16
I agree with Zed's thinking, and I've posted comments saying "let's just wait and see". Everything that is happening is behind closed doors. I don't care who they may be (so-called "in-the-knows") but if they're not inside those rooms, they simply don't know. The most they can do is guess. And history doesn't lie.
We made 3 failed offers for Naby Keita, then pulled out. He joined. We pulled out from Van Dijk ("officially" as per the club), he joined. We pulled out from buying Alisson (our reliable friend Paul Joyce confirming it) and then he joined. And we even pulled out from buying Thiago (our ever present friend Paul Joyce writing "LFC were unlikely to target Thiago") and he too joined.
So there's a tactic there, somewhere. And then also, maybe there isn't.
12.) 19 Apr 2023 13:21:27
Two years ago, when I used to watch Gravenberch for Ajax, he looked like a player with lots of promise. Playing that combined 6/ 8 role that Klopp seems to like a lot (see Keita) . But I haven't seen him play since then, and it looks like he's lost his way a bit. Watched some recent videos of him and Kephren Thuram. The difference is massive. Yes, it's only videos but it's something rudimentary and basic and gives you a general idea. Thuram is electric, better with the ball at his feet and gets by players through sheer energy and effort. Gravenberch is more languid, slower and, to my mind, à taller version of Keita with the ball at his feet. I imagine there's a big difference in the price between the two too, and maybe that is what is dictating preference.
13.) 19 Apr 2023 13:30:43
1985mikey1985 - I do believe he's very interested in playing Liverpool. However, you'd be mad to think he wouldn't want to be convinced that the project is going somewhere - and that means evidence that we'll compete in the market and on the pitch for the big prizes.
As for the best coach in the world - jury is out on whether he is actually doing any coaching at all at the moment.
14.) 19 Apr 2023 13:54:45
Agree with the above, personally I'm quality over quantity anyway. Signing too many players all at once has never and will never work.
Personally I think we need about 6/ 7. But I hope we don't sign more than 4 and integrate them properly, then do the rest of the business the following year. Rather have 4 guarantees who will improve us than 7 players who are a gamble and risk us being back at square one.
15.) 19 Apr 2023 14:15:09
Fly if we spread the cost like we have done in the past and like every other club does over a number of years say 30 mill a season then surely there’s other money available and plenty more income to come in.
Or do we buy 3 midfielders for 130 mill and then 24/ 25 season we say oh Christ we don’t have any money to now replace Salah and Virg.
Some posters have gone from FSG will back Klopp with whoever he wants the last few years to cut your coat with the cloth. Absolute 180 in narrative there to suit their agenda.
16.) 19 Apr 2023 14:19:25
The reality is no matter who we sign this summer, the first choice back 5 and front 3 will probably not change.
Alisson, Trent, Konate, Virgil, Robbo will probably be the first choice defence and Mo, Darwin, Diaz and Gakpo will probably be vying for the front positions.
Perhaps with the 3-box-3 system we are experimenting with at the moment, it would be Robbo's role at risk with a left-footed CB coming in.
It is the midfield that needs a total overhaul while the centreback depth needs review given the form and fitness of Matip and Gomez.
I would say that isn't too much disruption but rather a significant and necessary upgrade in the middle of the pitch.
17.) 19 Apr 2023 14:32:04
I think signing the most in demand midfielder in the world, plus showing what’s happened in our recent history when we’ve done similar would convince anyone of our ambitions.
And as for Klopp, if he left us he would have his choice of clubs and countries to manage, I think he’s pretty much seen as the best in the business world wide despite a dodgy season.
18.) 19 Apr 2023 15:16:03
JK23 - we do not speak of finances here remember :)
Seriously though, deal terms and payment structures are way beyond the comprehension of us fans.
Of course any potential Jude-sized outlay would be spread out over a number of years.
19.) 19 Apr 2023 15:20:24
1985mikey1985 - so we're convincing Jude of our project by virtue of us buying him? I think he might want a tad more than that. :)
As for Klopp - two dodgy seasons in three btw. He's got credit in the bank and I wish him to stay but he needs to pull his finger out.
Having one season on and one season off is not good enough for Liverpool FC, no matter how much he is loved or coveted.
20.) 19 Apr 2023 17:09:27
I would buy Bellingham no question.
I would move trent to hendos position. Gomez to right back.
Sell Fabinho and buy a replacement Dm with Baj pushing for a place there.
Bellingham and Trent either side of an energetic Dm would be frightening.
N.
21.) 19 Apr 2023 17:40:27
I agree with Redwills. If we can afford Jude and even just keep the money from player sales, we should be able to afford a DM on top.
We talk about the money obtained from reaching finals, winning trophies etc. If we’re not in a position to capitalise on those extra funds, then we never will be.
22.) 19 Apr 2023 19:17:37
JK
The issue is BVB would definitely wants a huge cash upfront which is a problem at LFC as we don’t have cash in hand. Gone are those days when clubs accepts 100 year installment payments. And that is exactly why we overpay for players!
And to your question FLy, where has the money gone which was kept aside to sigh Touchemani?
Well that went to benfica!
23.) 19 Apr 2023 23:37:39
If Liverpool even have a sniff of getting Bellingham ahead of City or Madrid then they need to make It happen. Opportunities like that do not come around often. Hell, players like him don’t come around often and when they do we’re not usually in the frame. City are miles ahead of us. Imagine what that gap might be if they now swoop for JB and we get Mount and Gravenberch or Macallister.
The midfield needs sorting and JB solves that almost single-handedly. At 19 years old he could do 5yrs and we’d still likely get most of that money back. Alternatively, spank massive wages on players that haven’t made it and big clubs and won’t be easy to get rid of if and when they don’t get us closer to City and now even Arsenal (excuse me whilst I’m sick)!
24.) 20 Apr 2023 07:19:12
How do you convince Bellingham there is a project? We’ve an ageing injury prone squad, we’ve fallen off massively, we’ve no money to buy Bellingham and fix all the problems in the squad, we prob won’t have champions league football next season, we’re not overflowing with quality young players coming through. I don’t see what we have to offer?
{Ed025's Note - you are still one of the biggest draws in world football VV, your history and success determines that mate, form is temporary and all that...yes you may not be the biggest club on merseyside but never the less are a massive club.. :)
25.) 20 Apr 2023 08:45:17
We may be the only club from Merseyside who will be playing in the PL from next season onwards, Ed. Although, give a few years and maybe Tranmere can just us here too ;)
{Ed025's Note - that may be true drac, but the city is still blue and always will be mate, we are born not manufactured and whether its the premiership or the zingari league that is never likely to change..
26.) 20 Apr 2023 11:03:41
Redwillis, I posted something like that on another thread
Trent as lcm Bellingham as rcm and a new holding midfielder would be a great midfield
Hell, there are free transfers out there we could go for as well - Rabiot an option Ndicka would be a great option - could sell Matip and Phillips
I'd suggested signing the rb from Leverkusen, but Gomez could cover rb - might be good to give him a run of games, maybe help fully recover from the long layoff?
10 Apr 2023 11:30:42
We definitely need to get back to the heavy metal football. Second half yesterday showed that it works. Fair enough we might get caught by good players on the break but the way we pressed and attacked yesterday shows Klopps old style still works. If we have a good transfer window there is no reason we ain't challenging again next year
Up the pool.
1.) 10 Apr 2023 12:36:50
I didn't see that at all to be honest mate. It just felt like Arsenal bottled it to me. I was absolutely gobsmacked with how they set up 2nd half. They essentially left Jesus on halfway, and then sat 10 men behind the ball and just lumped it forward at every opportunity. We did squeeze up high and start tackling with more bite, but I thought they just let us more than us pressing particularly well. They made no effort to push out or retain the ball. It was like they thought they could defend a 2-1 lead for 45 minutes and when it backfired late on and Firmino scored, they'd already hooked their game changers who could wrestle back control for them.
I would certainly not be reading anything into that 2nd half performance. Arsenal played the whole half like there was 3 minutes left and they just needed to park the bus. I'll take the point all day but we were shocking. A lucky goal got us back into it with Henderson's awful shot falling to Salah to score a ricochet, and then Arsenal got it all wrong from there. If they'd carried on the way they were playing they'd have pummeled us.
I've seen too many false dawns this season. I'm not getting drawn in again ?.
2.) 10 Apr 2023 12:46:18
I don't think it'll be as mad (exciting and as enjoyable as it was) as yesterday, that was most coaches worst nightmare, like basketball at times.
The original heavy metal is dead, the more controlled fury of 19/ 20 still resonates with me.
Quick, slow, quick, quick, slow.
Said the actress to the Bishop.
Mane as the front press leader is definitely missed, his aggression and tenacity to take the fight to the opposition.
Klopp should do a Shankly, have them all eating raw steak before games lol.
3.) 10 Apr 2023 13:57:30
Yeah the original Heavy Metal football died with the loss to Madrid, and for good reason. What it evolved into was arguably the best football any Liverpool side has ever played, along with the most dominant league season from a title winner in history. I say it almost every day on this site seemingly, but I still have no idea what they were thinking. Maybe that style did burn out our players very quickly, who knows? If that was the case, then Klopp should have been moving them on after a few years, take the money and buy replacements, same Paisley did. Instead, he gave them all huge long term contracts.
4.) 10 Apr 2023 14:01:21
Mane is a massive miss. Apart from destroying most full backs his work rate was second to none and mostly unnoticed
Up the pool.
{Ed001's Note - but he wanted to go.}
5.) 10 Apr 2023 14:23:42
Jeez can people get it into their heads that Mane wanted to leave LFC, he’d had enough he wanted a new challenge and more money.
Just let it go were you
Like this with your first girlfriends?
6.) 10 Apr 2023 14:24:14
He wanted to go and he wasn’t the player he was. It was time for him to move on. Selling Mane was never the problem.
7.) 10 Apr 2023 15:07:46
In Buck Rodgers final full season at LFC 2014-2015, out of 38 full games played that premier league season we ended up with 18 victories home and away in the league, we require Six wins from our final Nine games to equal Bucks victory success in his final full season as he was sacked on the 04 October 2015, and Jurgen "King" thankfully took over on the 08 October 2015, and may he stay for many a more year.
We also need three more defeats this season to equal Bucks total losses that season 2014-15 which was 12 premier defeats, we currently sit on nine defeats for the season so far and counting!
8.) 10 Apr 2023 15:10:14
Selling Mané (who was on a slow but steady decline) was not the problem. The problem is we haven't gotten the goals, the aggression, the pressing and the tracking back from that left wing side. Whether it is Diaz, Jota or Gakpo who play on that side, we haven't gotten the same kind of production of the above factors that we used to. You can use excuses like injuries and "new to the team and country" and all that, but that does not erase the fact that we still didn't get what we used to get from there.
9.) 10 Apr 2023 16:06:58
Of course Mane wanted to leave, so selling him was not a problem.
But he had an inherent understanding of the front press, be it from his Southampton background or just his football intelligence.
Neither Gakpo or Nunez are on that level yet, at one point yesterday you could see Salah frantically waving the others forward to try to close Arsenal down deep in their own half.
Mane would have already be at their throats.
Diaz has it though imo, his return will be a boost in due course.
10.) 10 Apr 2023 16:26:08
MK Scouser - I can see where you're coming from with your post, but I would argue that if our first goal was lucky as you stated, then the same can be said for theirs. Henderson's 'deflection' for Salah to score was not really so different to the ricochet of Virg to Martinelli for theirs.
11.) 10 Apr 2023 16:52:26
Mane hasn’t destroyed a full back for about 3 years now. There is a reason why he was shifted to the centre and Diaz brought in. Even if he had stayed, his days as a winger were done.
12.) 10 Apr 2023 17:04:57
Totally agree The juicer and that was my point. Mane going is going to take time to replace as will Salah Firminho and co
Up the pool.
13.) 10 Apr 2023 17:01:34
Ed001 he did want to go and no problem with that it was the fact in replacing these great players is the hardest part and Mane is pretty close to irreplaceable in my opinion
Up the pool.
{Ed001's Note - he was done though and he has not been the same player this season. It was the right time for him to go.}
14.) 10 Apr 2023 17:40:04
Yeah that's fair KBL. They were all over us but luck played a part in their first goal for sure.
15.) 10 Apr 2023 18:05:00
Time for people to stop going on about Mane. He was brilliant for us but wanted to go and it was time for him to go anyway given that he is getting older. I’d love to have Barnes, Dalglish and Fowler up front still but it’s not going to happen.
16.) 10 Apr 2023 18:09:19
Absolutely the right move for the club and the player for Mane to go: he was exhausted physically and mentally. Way easier on both fronts to play for a dominant team in their league…though it didn’t work out that way. We miss the Mane of a few years ago, not his present self. Same is true of Bobby and Mo: they are not what they once were. But that doesn’t devalue their service: I judge Rush, Barnes, Whelan, Hansen etc on their best days…not when they were doing their best when their knees had gone. I don’t put Jordan in that bracket as, despite his decline in athleticism, he still defines the big games. He is a way better player than people understand: he plays a huge part in the build of every goal we get, always makes the correct pass, and is our greatest leader since Mad Graeme. Makes my top 4 of all-time LFC midfield everyday.
{Ed025's Note - big call that mate..
17.) 10 Apr 2023 18:48:48
Whether Arsenal bottled it or not is a different debate. The fight and attitude we showed after the Trent elbow is what we used to show every game. As fans that's what we ask for. Neither mind the result.
18.) 10 Apr 2023 19:53:16
Thomas Mane scored the same amount of goals last season from LW as he did when moved to CF (8 apiece from 17 games in each position)
Diaz scored 4 goals in 13 games from LW
Maybe it’s just your way to undermine players when they leave for whatever reason ?♂️
Mane wanted to leave and good luck to him and Diaz is a great player to replace him. I only hope he has a CL and PL medal like Mane has ?.
19.) 10 Apr 2023 19:55:03
Best football we have ever seen you must be a young man because Liverpool in the 70s/ 80s played some of the best football i've ever seen from LFC check out terry mc's goal against spurs from their corner with three passes it was in spurs net .
Please don't under estamate LFC teams of gone by years mate learn our history football was not invented in the 2000s you know woolback.
20.) 10 Apr 2023 20:23:01
Mane already got replaced with Diaz and we have missed him and his pressing and high energy (same things that Mane gave) this season. Oh, and Bayern are now figuring out the hard way that it was the right move for us to let him go and they are now dealing with a dud so good luck to them.
As for the game last night, I don't think there was any luck with the first goal. The move that created the chance was our best move of the whole half. oh and if people want to say that Hendo's touch was lucky then, you can say the same for the slip by Robbo and the pin ball show with VVD that led to their first goal. Keep it consistent, pls.
All in all, Arsenal played for only 35 mins. You will NOT beat ANYONE away ffrom home let alone a meat-grinder that Anfield is vs a wounded LFC team that has the medals to prove their elite status. NO WAY! . All we did was up the tempo a bit, played quicker and got our ballers on the ball more with the crowd fired up and BANG, Arsenal wilted from 35 mins on and we never let up. Arteta also showed hiw inexperience cos he had NO way of countering what Klopp was doing to him tactically. If anyone was lucky, it was Arsenal cos they got battered for 60mins and should have conceded more, IMO.
21.) 10 Apr 2023 20:52:56
Please do not label Mane a dud. He was on the decline yes but he still had more fire than most of our players this season. He lost some pace but he never stopped working, had the dog in him and could finish a chance right till the end. he's been injured this season. To call a Liverpool legend a dud is just pure disrespect.
22.) 10 Apr 2023 21:32:47
110% Redwillis.
23.) 10 Apr 2023 22:25:14
Yeah let’s put some respect on Mane’s name please.
24.) 10 Apr 2023 22:39:08
Redwills, take a chill pill, bro. I love Mane to death and respect him as a gem of a human being WAY more than the absolute legend he is as a footballer for LFC and Senegal. I will NEVER call Mane a dud. In fact, I would nearly fight anyone who disrespects him and his football career.
The "dud" comment was used cos it is the way many of the Bayern fans now see him as. Prolly should have added context to the word when I used it so I get t your comment.
25.) 11 Apr 2023 06:48:32
11 goals and 5 assists in 23 games (pre injury) is not a dud of a player.
26.) 11 Apr 2023 07:48:06
You should be in charge of our defence Oli with that back tracking.
27.) 11 Apr 2023 17:04:15
IR, many Bayern fans have been unimpressed with him regardless of those numners cos IMO, the guy he was supposed to replace in Lewandowski. He has been struggling all season and it came to a head a couple of weeks ago when many are getting fed up with him That's what many of their fans are saying. You can send those stats to them cos clearly, you know more than they do about their own club and the expectations required from their players.
14 Aug 2023 15:21:17
No pressure Ron.
15 Jul 2023 11:45:52
Shame he lost a bit of pace as in his prime he was superb for us
Up the pool.
05 Jul 2023 11:33:21
Listen to ed002 for any news not Pearce.
30 May 2023 08:13:14
Personally think he’d be a terrific signing but have my doubts on this one.
15 Aug 2023 11:46:44
Rigsby I would at the moment play Gomez but Bradley is definitely the way to go. It’s only an opinion
Up the pool.
12 Aug 2023 09:37:23
Great player fingers crossed.
11 Aug 2023 14:46:20
Think this does show we had the money for Bellingham but wanted Real Madrid. If only.
10 Aug 2023 12:14:00
I agree can’t wait for the season to get going and end the boring transfer window as we only get disappointed
Up the pool.
08 Aug 2023 10:44:22
To be honest nobody on here likes this hybrid role. Gomez at right back Trent in the middle as our new number six and buy a qualit CB to replace Konate
Up the pool.