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10 Jul 2019 18:05:59
Not related to LFC but also not specific to any club so posting here- hope it's okay.

Do Eds or others know what recourse or disciplinary powers do clubs have if a player decides to go AWOL or in cases of gross misconduct? We have recently seen high profile players like Griezman and Neymar not showing up for training, throwing tantrums etc. What can clubs do to fine them? Is a fine limited to their salaries? What about the circa EUR 220m fees PSG paid to Neymar to terminate his contract with Barcelona? If players' behaviour leads to decline in value can the club sue it's players for losses?

We keep hearing of all kinds of behavioural issues with players. Drugs use and smoking, partying ahead of games, PR issues, criminal behaviour etc. Really curious whether clubs have any protection on their assets and financial liabilities.

hhanif005

{Ed002's Note - In terms of fines, in England a maximum of two weeks wages. And players can of course be sacked.}


1.) 11 Jul 2019 12:17:54
it seems as though players are doing this much more, laurent koscielny the most recent player to refuse to join training.

do you think we are going to see a bigger trend of players using these kind of tactics to get moves, or has it always been around.

{Ed002's Note - I hope not - many Premier League clubs have suffered from this blight.}


2.) 11 Jul 2019 12:18:57
Didn't Chelsea sack Adrian Mutu for failing a drugs test for cocaine, and then sued him to reclaim his transfer fee from him?

I don't know the outcome of the case, but I seem to remember something along those lines.

{Ed002's Note - Yes, Chelsea have sacked a number of players for seriously misbehaving.}


3.) 11 Jul 2019 19:34:42
Ed002, as someone who .................

{Ed002's Note - WRONG PAGE - THIS IS THE LIVERPOOL PAGE.}


4.) 11 Jul 2019 19:40:17
Fair enough Ed.


 

 

21 May 2019 00:46:26
Ed001, thank you so much for sharing your wisdom.

I heard about Arjen Robben leaving Bayern. Will be great if you could do a comparison between him and Salah. There is something similar about their play.

Thanks again.

hhanif005

{Ed001's Note - added that to the list for you.}


1.) 22 May 2019 07:33:05
Ed please add mendiz-laing to that list!

{Ed001's Note - ok mate added him.}


2.) 23 May 2019 13:11:45
Thanks Ed. You're a machine. I don't know how you churn out such depth of knowledge written so attractively on such a regular basis.

{Ed001's Note - lots of time on research mate that's all it is. But thank you.}


 

 

17 Jun 2018 07:17:17
A discussion about VAR.

I know a lot of people here are not convinced by it but it is an idea which is growing on me. What really tipped it for me was a moment in Portugal vs Spain- the first Spain goal.

Sergio Busquets played a long ball to Diego Costa who won it from Pepe in an aeriel duel. In the usually horrific circumstances for Pepe there was slight contact between Costa's arm and his face and naturally, he went down as though he'd been hit by a pellet bomb. Now, had there been no VAR, I am sure the referee would have called a foul, but having the ability to bring the play back to review allowed him to let play go on. Costa got the ball and as he was trying to get his shot away, the fatally decapitated Pepe realised that the play was not stopping and he was alive after all, so he got up and ran to stop Costa. In that moment it became clear to the referee that Pepe was playacting. So in this case, the mere presence of VAR was enough to prevent an act of cheating from having scuppered a great goal from Costa.

I know the system isn't ideal but clearly there are some great benefits to be had from it. In addition to above, it's great to know that the result of a crucial game will not be determined by an opponent's cheating or a mistake by the linesman. Those who are still not convinced, what would you do to fix it given that it's the future of the game.

hhanif005

{Ed001's Note - while I don't like Pepe and he did make far too much of it, that was a foul and it is just as likely to be given under VAR as it would have been without it.}


1.) 17 Jun 2018 08:16:12
I am all for using video to improve refereeing but I still wish they used a review system instead of the current method. I just feel it's going to lead to refs using it as a crutch. I was amazed the ref didn't immediately give Peru a pen against Denmark and, instead, waited for the VAR system to alert him to the fact.

My worry is that the onfield ref will just become a mouthpiece for the video refs with little authority themselves.


2.) 17 Jun 2018 08:47:32
I thought it was a foul too. Detest Pepe tho.


3.) 17 Jun 2018 09:03:14
I thought it was a foul myself and thought that incident was indicative of the flaws of the system: humans are still making the decisions - humans are fallible and humans see things differently from one another. It was a similar story in the Australia game where I thought the defender touched the ball onto Griezman but VAR awarded a pen. It might stop absolute howlers (and even that is not a certainty) but contentious issues will still be rife. Also don't like how players are already clamouring for the VAR in games nor the way it slows games down. I'd rather the referees where just respected much more irrespective of mistakes - it would empower them and give them a platform to referee better.


4.) 17 Jun 2018 09:10:42
We talk about refs decisions now we talk about var, what's changed. A good example is I 100% didn't think Griezmans was a pen yesterday but there will be many who thought it was.


5.) 17 Jun 2018 09:30:29
I was in a bar full of people who didn't think that greizmans was a penalty and we were struggling to see how it was a "clear mistake" allowing VAR to overturn it. Argentina should have had a penalty in the later game that the ref didn't give and VAR didn't intervene, it still doesn't give consistency it's just another guys opinion sat behind a screen. Drogba, Neville and the other pundit on BBC had 3 different opinions on that Greizman pen so it must be difficult but I thought that's why it had to be a clear and obvious mistake for them to get involved. I also think that certain players will learn to initiate contact so that it looks bad under slow motion cameras, France were disgusting for all their play acting yesterday.


6.) 17 Jun 2018 09:41:52
What I like about VAR and other similar systems in rugby and ice hockey is the players cannot wander up to it and influence them like they do with refs on the field.

Unless governing bodies are going to get more strict about players approaching the ref they need to use VAR.


7.) 17 Jun 2018 09:43:48
The one for Australia agaisnt France - the clear handball by umtiti - is how it should be used. It was clear and obvious and they didn't need 3/ 4 looks to see if it was a foul. Just a quick glance and it's a clear pen. The France penalty people are still debating now - the refs decision should stand.
The bit I don't like is what the OP said, letting the play GK as they know they can go back. The refs should make the calls as they see them, not let everything go as they have a chance to review it.


8.) 17 Jun 2018 10:04:14
It was a foul but I'm glad it wasn't given because Pepe is a notorious play actor and I hate the way players roll around.


9.) 17 Jun 2018 10:55:55
It was a stone wall foul and I couldn’t believe people saying it wasn’t a clear and obvious mistake. He didn’t nearly know him out or anything but it was an arm to the face that clearly knocked him off balance having jumped for the ball.


10.) 17 Jun 2018 13:24:00
It was a foul.


11.) 17 Jun 2018 17:41:56
On another occasion the ref would allow his whistle too early.


12.) 17 Jun 2018 17:42:47
The 'clear and obvious error' moniker was coined by Mike Riley and it stuck. It's not actually on the protocol. He used it as a means to explain its use so that people would understand, and true to form, it's all that people focus on.

I have been sceptical of VAR in it's current form in the UK, but seeing how they let the game flow in the World Cup, even when a decision is imminent, has really impressed me. Players will get used to just getting on with it and playing to the whistle. Obviously not all decisions will be 100% correct, but more will be and any improvement is an improvement nonetheless. Also, there is less harassing of the referees, minimum delays (or delays at suitable times) and a consistency can be more easily maintained. So far, the World Cup usage has changed my mind.


 

 

04 Jul 2017 16:29:45
Hi Ed002, thanks for all your input.

From what you say it almost seems like tapping is a systematic strategy employed by the club to drive prices down. If so then this is even worse than the manager bumbling along tapping one player after next of his own accord.

I understand we don't want to be too specific about LFC for libel reasons but are footy clubs historically known to use tapping systematically and if yes what's the biggest punishment they have received (if any)?

Or have I misunderstood totally and the decision to tap is made spontaneously for some other reason?

Thanks again!

hhanif005

{Ed002's Note - I don't think it is a club strategy. It was only one person who briefed a few choice members of the press.}


1.) 04 Jul 2017 17:21:39
Eds 002 do you think klopp is in danger of losing his job over his tapping up antics?

{Ed002's Note - No but he is embarrassing the club and making things difficult for the owners.}


2.) 04 Jul 2017 18:16:12
Who was that person?

{Ed002's Note - Klopp.}


 

 

 

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15 Jul 2019 11:40:07
Making predictions is a foolish idea but I just think Mane is not a galactico. He's extremely shy, and I think his position in our team is perfect for him where he's properly recognised as a match winner and a terrific player, but he goes about his business with minimal media attention and spotlight. I fully expect that he's very content with the life at LFC.

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14 Jul 2019 14:45:33
Thanks Ed002 for clarifying. Do you think they are still interested in Mane for this summer?

hhanif005

{Ed002's Note - Yes. They want a left sided forward and interest in another option has faded.}


 

 

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14 Jul 2019 13:55:10
I don't think Hazard will appreciate playing second fiddle to Mane. Also Junior plays in the same position for Real also.

hhanif005

{Ed002's Note - But that is not where Hazard will be playing.}


 

 

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04 Jul 2019 08:40:17
We have plenty of quality in the midfield. If Ox and Keita can stay fit and play near their best this season, there are no midfielders out there who we can buy to improve our first team.

We scored 97 points last season without our best 2 attacking midfielders (Keita's season was heavily disrupted) . So we have reason to be optimistic.

It's really the front 3 and LB backups we should be worried about.

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30 Jun 2019 12:04:57
I hope we don't sell any of the front 3. They are all too good to be replaced. I hope we keep them all until they are 29-30 years at least.

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11 Jul 2019 20:49:41
The stability of our squad allowed us the leisure of bedding players in. In a way Ox and Keita have had full seasons (in separate years) to find their feet.

Having said that, there are always players who can jump right in if they are good enough. I recall Mane, Salah, Alisson and VVD being thrown straight into the first team and becoming instant successes.

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10 Jul 2019 20:55:07
Sorry no idea mate. I have seen fhe replay 10 times and I only remember the massive cup at the end and the delirious celebrations.

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09 Jul 2019 16:29:08
I can sense a star being born. Hope we don't sign him prematurely though.

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04 Jul 2019 16:28:40
I guess we learn lessons each year and try and improve.

The biggest improvement last summer was in GK and defensive midfield areas which allowed us to play a more controlled gameplay which tremendously improved our results.

The lessons from this season are that we are already really good! We just need a creative edge in the midfield - which should be addressed by Keita and Ox - and need effective rotation options up front. Sadly Shaqiri and Lallana just don't cut it! We also need a left footed LB backup option.

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30 Jun 2019 07:54:42
Thanks Ed.

Kovacic story looks fake because there is a massive typo: The word successful appeared in it.

hhanif005

{Ed001's Note - good point. But it comes the day after they revealed their new kits on the app, by mistake as it has not been shown officially.}