Liverpool banter 3

29 Apr 2024 14:22:15
A bit of topic but does anyone know the release date of the new jersey. It's my Nephew's birthday on the 11th of May. Can't find anything anywhere.

29 Apr 2024 16:27:08
Happy early Birthday to your nephew, man.

29 Apr 2024 16:48:12
They’ve not announced a date yet mate but it says potentially early May online.

29 Apr 2024 20:46:43
Isn't it usually out in time for the last home game? as they normally wear that kit to market it for next season.

29 Apr 2024 21:03:14
I don’t even notice when they change the home Kit anymore. It’s just red. And they sometimes mess about with the collar, That’s it really.

{Ed025's Note - thats just an excuse to wear your old Carlsberg shirt LFC8.. :)

30 Apr 2024 03:26:23
Well played Endo a Liverpool kit is top tier gift and in the prestigious auntie uncle gift competition your nephew will easily have you at the top.
Last year I did little to no research and went from a clear top spot to dead last. I panicked bought a book and puzzle and I could tell the instant disappointment on the little guys face so well played mate well played.

29 Apr 2024 23:32:12
Carlsberg? Crown Paints here Ed!

{Ed025's Note - its hard to part with your old one VV as it evokes memories of good times mate, i have still got my Hafnia one from 84...and its nothing to do with me being a bit of a minge bag.. :)

30 Apr 2024 08:19:40
Thanks lads.

30 Apr 2024 12:50:52
Retro kits are far better. I purchased the Crown paints top for my daughter. Loves it.

29 Apr 2024 14:19:00
Liverpool were seemingly very good at keeping things away from the media last time Edwards was here.

This Salah contract situation feels like a very meticulous leak, maybe forcing the Saudi clubs to move and move quick?

29 Apr 2024 15:12:56
Salah will have a say in where he goes, if he goes. I don't think he'll want to go to the Saudi league. He'll want to play at the highest level and it won't be all about the money for him.
We can't just sell him to whoever we want.

29 Apr 2024 16:11:43
I think he will 100% go to the Saudi League and the money will be a huge contributing factor.

29 Apr 2024 16:19:30
I don’t think he has the legs to play at the highest level anymore or for much longer anyway, you can tell he’s already slowed down. Certainly wouldn’t get a new long contract in a league like the prem. one of the farmers leagues or Middle East I’d bet.

29 Apr 2024 16:28:23
Salah's off, guys. That much w has been clear over the past few weeks with the way he has been performing and with that touchline bust up, who knows what's been going on behind the scenes?

29 Apr 2024 16:37:23
I certainly think it is a brief from the club. How can anybody know whether Salah is staying or going? He has a new sporting director, a new head coach and the resolve of prospective buyers to contend with.

29 Apr 2024 16:40:32
He won't stay here for much longer anyway. He might be offered another year on top of the year he has left; maybe on less money.
His legs might be going but he seems to look after himself and he's scored over twenty goals again this season.

29 Apr 2024 16:49:12
Ornstein reporting today that he’s staying 🤷🏻‍♂️.

29 Apr 2024 17:26:59
Well, if the fans want to sell the top scorer and he doesn't want to go, what are you going to do?

29 Apr 2024 17:43:40
Difficulty, is that it is evident that his legs are gone and doesn’t really have the pace, it’s also awkward as he thinks he’s undroppable, given the weekends outburst, Slot would have the same problem of a player who isn’t really up to the pace of the league but who thinks he should play every week, which could be disruptive to the squad and be an unnecessary distraction. Maybe I’m being harsh, but I’d rather a players legs went on someone else’s pitch instead of ours. Now seems the right time to sell.

29 Apr 2024 18:26:06
If he stays, then we lose him for free next year if he chooses to not sign an extension

The general feeling right now is that this is a tactic for players to get a huge salary at their next club.

Football has no place for sentiment.
Take the money and run or risk losing him for free.

I know what I'd choose.

29 Apr 2024 18:56:08
Why is Salah disruptive and why was the disagreement at the weekend about him not playing? Was is it about him not starting because from what I saw, Klopp had a go at Salah when West Ham scored.
Even if Salah should have gone last summer because he has lost some pace and is still our top scorer, what if he doesn't want to go to the Saudi league? He still has a contract and he is still our top scorer.
I'd be seeing if Diaz and Gakpo would get any offers and interested in leaving before Salah.

29 Apr 2024 19:23:53
If your boss has a go at you in public, the professional thing to do is to address it behind closed doors when the dust settles.
Don’t react and fan the flames, take it like a pro and deal with it later.
Whether the boss is right or wrong, you take it.

29 Apr 2024 19:33:31
I’d keep him one more year then allow him to go on a free. I’d be bedding in a long term replacement next season, I’d be selling Nunez.

29 Apr 2024 19:44:54
Ron, if my boss had a go at me and spoke to me disrespectfully, I might tell him to shut his mouth and suggest we deal with his problem privately and professionally.
Klopp had a go at Salah, rightly or wrongly, but as a boss you treat your employees with respect.

29 Apr 2024 20:34:16
Rigsby. Do you know what Klopp said 🤷‍♂️.

29 Apr 2024 20:55:55
Ok Rigsby, you might be looking for a new job whilst trying to have a meeting with your ex-boss.

29 Apr 2024 21:37:32
IR, no I don't. Why do you ask?

Ron, I'm probably out of touch but no one would be getting rid of me for standing up for myself. Imo, Klopp instigated the disagreement and Salah gave him some back.
Storm in a teacup.

29 Apr 2024 22:18:27
You stand up for yourself in private.
You don’t undermine your boss .

You don’t know what Klopp said to him but Salah (or any player) should keep a lid on it.

Nunez had it right, respect to him for intervening with Salah.

29 Apr 2024 22:46:44
Ron, and you don't know what Salah said to Klopp. If we don't know what was said how was Klopp undermined?
Imo, Klopp was annoyed when West Ham equalised, had a go at Salah and Salah gave him some back. There was no handshake after the game either.
I'm not blaming one or the other and they could and should both put it behind them. As it stands, it was nothing. If there were more arguments then might concede fewer goals!
I like to see some spirit like Mane with Salah for not passing and Milner bollocking van Dijk for letting an opponent shoot in our penalty area.
It shows they care.

29 Apr 2024 23:54:20
I don’t believe in coincidences and this report of Salah staying is all to convenient, Edwards is no fool and reality is either Salah signs a new contract or Salah is sold in the summer, whether he goes to Saudi is anyone’s guess but the club will for sure use the Saudi interest to inflate any other bids and I’m fine with that. Personally I think he goes to Saudi, his agent has been hawking him about for years to get better terms and all this talk of he wouldn’t want to play in x league and wants to be challenging for top honours is great in theory but let’s be honest Salah is out for Salah and if he can get 4 times the salary, rediculous endorsements and be the poster boy for the middle league above the likes of Ronaldo then I think he takes that all day long!

30 Apr 2024 01:31:23
why are we so adamant that Klopp had a go at Mo?

Maybe all he said was "ok we really need you now" and then Mo got irked by that?

30 Apr 2024 08:16:20
Dow-ney, another option is Salah sees out the last year of his contract at Liverpool.

Faith, I'm not adamant but having seen it a few times and noticed their body language and reactions, that is my conclusion.
West Ham score and Klopp approaches Salah in a less than friendly way. Salah looks surprised and defensive at first. His arms are wide and palms open suggesting 'what have I done'. Klopp carries on talking and backing away and Mo gets more animated and points his finger at Klopp and says things back.

Nothing more than a tiff after the opponents score a goal. I want the players and coaches to be annoyed when we give a goal away.

30 Apr 2024 10:59:14
Rigsby
I ask because you say Klopp spoke to Salah disrespectfully 🤷‍♂️.

30 Apr 2024 11:36:30
Nobody knows what was said to whoever, period.

30 Apr 2024 13:23:16
I didn't say that, Irish.
I said Klopp had a go at Salah. Klopp's body language and Salah's reaction leads me to think that. I might be wrong and Klopp may be in the right to have a go at Salah but we don't know. Therefore we don't whether Salah redacted badly or not.

I've not got a problem with either of them.

29 Apr 2024 13:04:06
There is without doubt an agenda against Liverpool in the reffing side of things. If our players had fallen over like Everton players did for the softest of touches, we would never had gotten any of those free kicks. It takes our player to be seriously injured to gain any free kick. It's clear to see we just don’t get any decisions from the ref whilst he will give the opponent every decision.

29 Apr 2024 13:55:19
It's nothing against LFC it's just some refrees make silly mistakes or have their own favourite teams. Coz yesterday the amount of mistakes referees did was unbelievable and coast Spurs potential a champions league spot.

Think next season will be huge discussion going on with clubs managers and PGMOL coz now we have clubs on a weekly bases having to put statement about the officials 🤷.

29 Apr 2024 15:59:18
I don't think there is any agenda but I do think that we are on the receiving end of more bad decisions (in particular as you mention very soft free kicks against us and Salah being physically assaulted result in play being waved on) . It didn't feel like it a few years ago. It feels like Klopp's continuous ranting at the fourth official has had the opposite effect to what he was hoping.

Hopefully a change in the dugout will be enough for a bit of a reset next season but at the end of the day I truly believe that it is just the really poor standard of refereeing rather than corruption. To make matters worse it is then justified or glossed over by extremely biased media coverage.

29 Apr 2024 16:33:45
"Chief Scout", I don't think there is any specific agenda against LFC even tho, it is clear to see that the way some of them conduct themselves vs our players esp at Anfield is quite insolent.

I think the refs are just flat out incompetent and could not give a toss how incompetent the look or are cos that is only matched by their insane levels of arrogance and do all types of crap and then say, "Yeah, so what? What are ya going to do? Fire me? ". That's how they act and this is what a lack of accountability looks like and that is killing every club right now.

Just look at the absolute shambles of a stunt that Taylor pulled at WH (not even going to talk about the 3 pens. he missed in the Forrest/ Everton game)? Trust me, had we still had a fair shot at the title and that happened, there would be absolute bedelum right now and the PGMOL wouldn't know where to hid. The only reason we laugh now is cos we ain't winning nothing so no one cares.

30 Apr 2024 03:34:42
It's funny how we weren't at it in the first 20-30mins vs Everton but Everton were falling over at the slightest touch lol.

29 Apr 2024 11:48:14
With Slot joining and players being given a fresh start do we think the previous view of VDB being sold may change and he will be given a chance?

Has looked like he’s really coming into his own this season, still young and HG if I am not mistaken!

29 Apr 2024 13:37:54
Not sure what the obsession with him is, he's almost 23 playing for a team one place above the relegation zone with a terrible defensive record. Wed be lucky to get the £6 million optional future fee Mainz have agreed. Championship standard at best.

29 Apr 2024 14:07:05
Should at least get a look in preseason Amorin. Based off your comments we shouldn’t have signed a certain Andy Robertson from Hull!

29 Apr 2024 14:17:21
Basing a players ability from his team is ludicrous.

Southampton were 1 place off above the relegation zone with a terrible defensive record when we signed him btw.

I'd probably watch the player before making such assumptions of him being Championship at best.

29 Apr 2024 14:37:18
I'd happily put my house on him not being here September 1st. Raise the bar lads, he's never shown anything other than a few decent performances for Preston. If this was ten years ago fair enough but i thought we had grown.

29 Apr 2024 14:50:48
Amorim, he turned 22 in December he’s not “nearly 23”

He’s been one of their standouts in a team struggling. Have you actually watched him play?

Good on the ball with 88% passing accuracy this season, very quick clocking 4th highest top speed in the league, and has the 2nd best tackle success rate in the league as well.

And there isn’t a €6m already agreed fee with them.

Sure you are expecting some shiny young player for Every position who costs €30m+ when in reality we might already have an in house solution - everyone should deserve a clean slate and his performances this season has shown he deserves a chance.

29 Apr 2024 14:53:37
I just love to know the basis for your opinion.

I haven't watched anywhere near enough to make my own opinion up but I certainly wouldn't write him off due to his teams ability.

29 Apr 2024 16:26:52
Might as well sell van dijk and Konate, start the season with koumieto and vdb, would he be playing for Mainz at 22 if he was any good? He'd be in our first team like quansah, oh and he's as slow as a turtle so I'm sure he will fit right into our high line.

29 Apr 2024 16:38:27
Yeah, Gun10. VDB must be crap cos the team he plays in are crap. If that was the case, Dortmund would NEVE had signed a certain Jurgen Klopp from a crap club like you know, Mainz cos clearly if his team is crap then he must have been a crap manager. Good freaking grief!

29 Apr 2024 17:33:03
Slow as a turtle, he’s the 4th fastest player in the whole bloody league!

I am glad you aren’t running the club, you live in this fantasy world - look forward to repossessing your home.

29 Apr 2024 18:07:49
Just been through every stat on the official bundesliga site he's not fourth in anything let alone top 30.

Just make up things to suit your agenda.

29 Apr 2024 18:23:36
Amorin, stats don't matter to me, personally esp. without context. The thing is based on how dismisively and with the levels of blatant contempt you speak about this kid, tells me you have NEVER never seen him play this season.

WHy? Simple. If you had, you would have said so and used it to support you assessment cos that's what I or anyone else would do. After all if I've watched a player play, why would I not say I did and use it as a valid point in my argument? You didn't use it in your rebuttals hence, safe to conclude that you haven't seen him play at all this season, IMO. Your acts will betray you well before your words, mate.

30 Apr 2024 06:20:12
@Amorin, you're right in saying that VdB is not the fourth fastest in the Bundesliga. However, he is far from being slow as a turtle. His top speed is 34.78km/ h which is fairly respectable considering the top speed is 36.41km/ h. He's actually faster than Florian Wirtz, the player some on here would like to be Salah's replacement. So, I believe you are the one who is making things up to suit your agenda :)

29 Apr 2024 10:34:11
I really hope Slot is given the support and time by the players and fans to settle in and implement his ideas.

Hopefully player or fan power doesn't cause issues with the post Klopp hangover, with the that's not the way Klopp did it etc. He's not Klopp 2.0.

Things are going to be different and I for one am quite excited, it may or may not be a transitional season, but i hope he is given time, and with the media.

It must be strange for players especially for those like Trent who hasn't really known another manager in charge.

29 Apr 2024 11:28:28
Yeah, I don't think we should expect an instant change in form etc.
There is a lot of work to be done, players to be assessed whether they are good enough and fit within the plan for a change in the system. New additions etc.

Unfortunately I can't see us challenging for trophies next year, hopefully I am wrong though.

29 Apr 2024 11:37:51
It will be very difficult for Slot.

Just in this site, we have seen so many fans saying Klopp should have gone 2 years ago in a span of few poor results/ weeks.

But because it is a FSG signing, they will want him to come good and will also give him extended waranty.

It can't get any funnier when Ten Haag and Slot, Slot and Pep do these pressers. We are in for sureshot entertainment without doubt.

29 Apr 2024 13:10:50
Looking at our fanbase recently - he’s going to need all the luck he can get.

29 Apr 2024 12:59:25
SamiKewell. Have a read of ED001s Everton match review last week. Its really well written and insightful, its hard to disagree with his thoughts.

29 Apr 2024 16:42:35
Was Klopp not an FSG signing or did the City owners sign him for us? Seriously, what people make this distinction as if it's some kind of a thing? If we had signed Alonso, whose signing would he have been? Good heavens.

As for Slot, he will get the same time as i gave Klopp and he will get more time provided the wins are being put on the board cos winning and progress buys you time. It is the way it is. That's why Klopp got the time he got. We were improving a a very steady rate season after season until we won the lot.

29 Apr 2024 19:35:52
Slot deserves all fans support. He needs patience and time.

29 Apr 2024 21:38:23
He’ll need time to get his style of play across but taking over a good squad and should be adding to it. Should still be putting up a fight for the major honours.

30 Apr 2024 03:36:23
FSG don't care about the fans, so Slot will have heaps of time
:D
#sarcasm.

29 Apr 2024 10:11:30
Just another thing I noticed when watching the derby and by no means am I alluding to a 'conspiracy' or using this as an excuse as to why we lost, but more an observation: for one of everyone's goals from the corner, their defender was deliberately blocking VVD from reaching the ball which resulted in the goal, even the commentators/ analysis team mentioned it in a positive light.

Now, if I remember correctly, did VVD not have a goal ruled out for pretty much the exact same thing - team mate preventing a defender from reaching the ball / defending zone?

It just seems bizarre one week a rule is implemented and then the next it seems to go unpunished and on this case, lauded by commentators as smart play by the opposing team. Another frustrating thing is that none of these pundits or commentators pull it up and question why the rules are changing week in week out. No wonder there is no consistency if they are never held to account, just so frustrating.

29 Apr 2024 10:30:47
I think you're referring to the Carling Cup final goal where VVD's goal was ruled out because Endo was in an offside position and impeded a defender from getting back. That's a different situation than the one you're referring to though since there's no offsides from corners.

To clarify myself, I don't think VVD's goal then should have been ruled out then since I don't think Endo was interfering with the play. But if VVD was impeded from coming for a ball from a corner, then I think he should have been stronger. He's a big guy and is supposedly quite strong. Unless he was fouled, then I don't see much issue with that kind of play.

29 Apr 2024 10:32:23
Well iirc the issue is Endo, the player who blocked off an opponent for VVD's disallowed goal, was offside not that he blocked someone off.

So I suppose it's a case of were any Everton players offside from frees whilst doing that. I genuinely don't remember.

29 Apr 2024 10:53:33
I obviously didn't remember that correctly and thinking back yes, you're right it was the offside wasn't it, no wonder no one was talking about it!

29 Apr 2024 16:44:21
Stui, I saw that as well. On the second goal, VVD was getting blocked by Tarkowski. On another chance in the first half, Tarkowski blatantly shoves VVD in the back to prevent him from challenging Branthwaite who won the header. It happened many times in the game. It is what bit is.

{Ed025's Note - VVD shouldn,t be such a little fart then.. :)

29 Apr 2024 17:43:56
VVD was less of a fart before Pickford maimed him Ed025.

As for analysing corners - it’s like p-ing in the wind. There are probably a dozen offences for both teams at every corner. If you get penalised, you’ve been unlucky. If you don’t get a decision, you’ve been unlucky. There’s no injustice because the laws are furiously transgressed every time.

{Ed025's Note - hes a big unit though Ron and should not really be bullied imo, if i was his size i would be the one doing the pushing mate and i certainly wouldn,t be acting like a big girls blouse.. :)

29 Apr 2024 19:04:07
Everton targetted our best header of the ball. Forget that, Everton targetted our only header of the ball so one of their headers of the ball could get an attempt at goal.
That's good tactics.

29 Apr 2024 19:37:27
Liverpool were awful against Everton. The blues fully deserved to win as bad as it is. We need to move on. VVD like most of them were hopeless in that game.

29 Apr 2024 19:57:11
Ed25, you won the title sorry, the game and hats off to your team. Just don't want to ever ever you moan about other teams' players flopping to the ground whenever the oppo. breathes on them, talking down to the rest of us about how the game has gone soft cos sevral of your players looked like little farts flopping to the ground whenever an LFC player walked past them. Just saying.

{Ed025's Note - unfortunately going down very easily is all part of the game now it seems Oli, i dont like it myself i must say but every team is guilty of it mate...even the honest as the day is long Liverpool.. :)

29 Apr 2024 09:53:34
We’ve lost 4 league games this term with a completely new midfield and we are all but certain of Champions League next season.

Of course no fan accepts just the one cup as ultimate satisfaction, particularly as it is the lowest ranking of the 4 but what were we really expecting at the start of season? If I tracked back and read the posts at the beginning, most of you thought we’d be mid table obscurity - simply somewhere like where the Red Devils ultimately find themselves (much to my happiness).

It's not a 'great' season by any means and a shame that it fell off towards the end, but the work to give it a run and to improve - somewhat with a fair amount of change and also with some very decent youth in the ranks too - for me it is okay and with something to build on!

Our new management inherits some decent talent and I am sure will want to bring in some of his own.

I for one will get behind Slot, but before that I will continue to get behind this manager and his squad and thank them for their efforts in what is the most challenging league in the world without compare!

YNWA.

29 Apr 2024 10:38:02
Well said MetroRed.

How quickly we forget. According to some sections of so called Liverpool supporters Klopp should have left two years ago and now because of the touchline spat at the weekend they want Salah, one of the Premier Leagues best of all time wingers who has broken most records gone in the summer.

99% of Premier League clubs in their entire history can only dream about winning what we have won under Kloop.

Thanks to these guys and all the others the numbers on the trophy wall had to be changed practically every season and for that I will be for ever thankful.

29 Apr 2024 10:49:36
You, like many others unfortunately, are talking absolute nonsense. We were such overwhelming favourites for the Europa League that many fans have now got plane tickets and hotels for Dublin that they need to shift. As an absolute bare mimimum this season I expected us to reach the final of the Europa League and take City and Arsenal right to the wire.

We spent roughly £160m (not even including add-ons) on a whole new midfield because it was universally accepted that we failed last season due to the decline of Henderson, Milner, Ox and Fabinho. We had the front line and the backline to go toe to toe with anyone, and we rectified the glaring weakness in the side.

We proved in the first 30 games of the season that we are good enough to compete for the title and win several trophies. Instead of all this revisionist nonsense, why can't people just accept that we've underachieved? It doesn't make you less of a supporter to call out the truth. It doesn't mean you are disrespecting Klopp's overall achievements to say that he's lost his edge. By his own admission he couldn't do this anymore. It's just a sad reality, but living in this fantasy land where 3rd and a Carabao Cup was the best we could've hoped for is delusional. Just ask all those lads who've now got a random holiday in Ireland next month.

29 Apr 2024 10:54:07
Yeah most of us would have taken that before the season started.
But also as the season went on it was obvious that the squad was capable of going all the way as well.
So I think it’s a bit bitter sweet, because we all know another title was possible with a bit more luck.

29 Apr 2024 11:08:08
Although I agree with you that a prem title was not an expectation. We were sitting on top a couple of weeks ago and the wheels have completely fallen off. So peoples frustration stems from the fact we had the title in our own hands and to put it bluntly, compitulated. I really thought this season was going to be full of emotion and full buy in from the team and fans for a manager that gave us fans and his players all he had. It has baffled me how things have turned out. At the start of the season I would have happily taken 4th place as a pass mark. I don't know how to process how the season is ending right now.

29 Apr 2024 12:02:18
Nothing Wrong with feeling disappointed with how things have turned out but also realising that we had over performed to get in that position. One question if arsenal had similar injuries to us do you think they would be challenging for the title now.

29 Apr 2024 12:35:02
I'd put a years wage on that most posters or fans didn't expect mid table obscurity at the start of the season.

I'd even go as far as saying i could probably name the 2 who would have thought it and that's Harry and Walter (both great posters with their unique opinions)

But there is absolutely no most about it.

29 Apr 2024 12:57:48
Sorry MK but personally I don’t see how fans can be mad if they have booked flights and hotels in expectation and then complain the team doesn’t get there. You take your chances - that’s the game and we all know that. Liverpool could have easily gone out on a ref howler rather than a turgid performance. There are any number of reasons why you can get knocked out of a cup competition and those lads would still need to enjoy their Irish holiday all the same.

29 Apr 2024 13:52:49
I don't think anyone thought third and the Carabao Cup was the best we could achieve. And I think anyone that thinks a place in the Europa Cup final is a bare minimum is delusional.
I think a lot of fans took a punt (pun intended) on flights and hotels because Dublin is so convenient.
Had the final been in Kazakhstan I don't think that would have been the case. Either way it was a gamble, it didn't pay off and nothing to do with the team.

29 Apr 2024 14:10:26
You're missing the point though lads. I'm not saying those fans have a right to be annoyed about their money, because they don't. It was their risk to take and I certainly wouldn't have gambled hundreds if not thousands on us winning it. What I'm saying that people planning their trips there months in advance is clear evidence that many people were expecting more from this team. Especially after the favourable draw put Leverkusen, Milan and Roma away from us until the final.

It's just a bare faced lie to say we all thought this team was only capable of a Carabao up. I read this site daily and we were as a collective very optimistic about this season. Last season was being called a blip after the Quad chase took it out of us. Even the Blue nose Ed025 was speaking in glowing terms about our signing of Mac Allister. Szoboszlai signing generated a huge amount of excitement. We were all saying Nunez could really kick on and Virgil was back to his best.

Why are people lying to themselves to defend our capitulation? It's flaky at best. Call a spade a spade.

29 Apr 2024 16:54:00
MKS, I see what you're saying. for me, it is perfectly normal to feel the ay fans are feeling about how the season panned out cos Im just as frustrated and pee'd off about it cos the issues we had were there to be addressed and were never addressed. We were not clicking offensively nor defensively at a consistent level and were rising above these issues by sheer will and desire, IMO. At some point, that's going to burn you a and the chickens have now come home to roost.

At the same time, people should not come on and start acting like they thought we were shoe-in's to challenge and win the title cos none of these "fans" were saying that at the time esp. after the whole Caicedo debacle. Many of us did not even know what we were going to be cos there was so many unknowns and you guessed it, Klopp said so himself when he was asked if he knew we would be this/ that good at the time. It is the lack of perspective and disingenuous revisionist history I cannot stand. One can't complain that we won't challenge for the title in preseason and then when we do and fall short, you cry again cos we did not achieve what you yourself said at the start we would NOT achieve. Make up your damn mind, will ya?

Now it's tough the way things have happened and how the season has ended. I feel sorry for Klopp cos he looks spent. Did we under achieve? That's tough cos remember, the only way we would have achieved anything this season with the level of uncertainty going into the season, would have been to actually OVER-achieve. Did we do that based on that? Love to hear your answer.

29 Apr 2024 20:43:05
It’s all a process lads. When we won the league before we had to endure a couple of seasons of near misses until the players had the experience to maintain the challenge.

We had so many new players and have been forced to play a lot of young players throughout the season and they fell short this time but it’s their first attempt.

It doesn’t have to be a failure, that’s just not understanding the game at all. The fact that they have been in the thick of it gives them valuable experience and they will know how to deal with it better next time.

The worst thing we can do is to dismantle the team because of the last 6 games of the season. They have shown they are capable we should keep hold of them as now they have something to prove. Trust me they will be hurting so next time that will make them all the more determined to make sure they don’t fall away at the end.

Obviously it all depends on how the new manager gets on too but all this talk of players needing replacing is just knee jerk nonsense in my opinion.