Liverpool Banter Archive December 13 2016

13 Dec 2016 21:51:51
Ed. what's this nonsense about a takeover at LFC. The Moose at Talksport says it's imminent. Sorry to bother you with this.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any immediate plans for the club to change hands.}

13 Dec 2016 23:08:41
They should be called TalkSh! t not TalkSport.

13 Dec 2016 21:29:40
Everton doing us a favor. We must beat Boro tomorrow. c'mon you reds.

13 Dec 2016 23:41:54
Never thought I'd say well played Everton lol.

14 Dec 2016 00:57:48
LFC16, I know what you mean BUT surely you have to give them credit because they indeed, played the game of their lives.

13 Dec 2016 19:15:25
Just a random question eds. People say "oh this player or that player will need x amount of time to adjust to the premier league" i'm just wondering. Which league (if any) is the most like the premier league and would possibly mean a player has an easier time to adjust to english football. Bit of a weird question but it made me wonder. Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - Scotland is the one closest in style, the Bundesliga is the other.}

13 Dec 2016 19:22:42
Ye i was thinking bundesliga. But scotland completely didn't come into my mind. cheers Ed01.

{Ed001's Note - welcome.}

13 Dec 2016 18:14:44
Ed 01 where can I find your midweek review pls?

{Ed001's Note - it is on Football-News-Views mate.}

13 Dec 2016 16:26:36
Hi Eds!
Do you see a january move for Sardar Azmoun from Liverpool?
Thank you! Happy Holidays!

{Ed002's Note - Try searching for the Sharkopod.}

13 Dec 2016 12:41:43
Hi Ed's,

How do you find Klopps tactics and formation?
You think he ever has a Plan A, B or C?

For me I only see him play attacking football, to outscore opponent and win the game.

Even in games where we have taken a good lead, I have not seen him make substitution to protect and defend the lead.

I would like to hear from your opinion on this.

{Ed002's Note - This has been dealt with in some detail - try searching for Plan B.}

13 Dec 2016 13:36:38
There is no plan B ( Contaning / Conserved way ) of playing. We press all the way from start to end and try to score as much as possible. Outscoring is our motto lol.

13 Dec 2016 16:21:54
He is good coach but a lousy think-on-your-feet manager during a match. Sevilla, Southampton, Bournemouth and now Westham show him up that he cannot make decisive changes when the tide turn against him. Unai emery pawn him big time with half time changes during europa final. Klopp is a great coach and prepare the team well but he just can't think of counter tactics to save his life during a match.

13 Dec 2016 16:47:27
Lee - And what do you think he's doing when he's standing by the sidelines and gesticulating wildly to his players with signals? If that's not directing and making changes to tactics and shapes then what is it? And as far as player changes are concerned, it's all a function of who is available on the bench and his perceived value of what making changes will bring to the game. You're harping on lack of changes during losses. What about the lack of changes during wins? There's 9 of those against 2 losses. Lousy coach? I think more a case of lousy fans with blindfolds on.

13 Dec 2016 18:09:22
I don't know Leek, do you remember the Dortmund game last season? Or the Norwich game at Carrow Road, 3-1 down won 5-4.
If you can do a better job, please apply 😄.

13 Dec 2016 18:21:12
Plan A = Attack
Plan B = Blitz
Plan C = Charrrrrrrrge!

There you go, you're welcome.

13 Dec 2016 19:26:11
Why do you need a Plan B when Plan A got you where you are?

13 Dec 2016 12:19:24
Anyone know how Danny Ings is getting on with his recovery?
Can't remember when he is expected back.

13 Dec 2016 14:33:10
Quite a while yet. Unfortunately.

13 Dec 2016 10:26:50
Ok reds it's time. The honeymoon period is over time to get real and get the points on the board again. Let's get behind the team and make them feel invincible. If your lucky enough to get to a game, roar your head of and let them know that YNWA.

13 Dec 2016 10:12:41
I know this has been done to death but I really wish klopp would give sakho another chance. i think a pairing of him and matip would be immense. they would compliment each other massively. if not give ilori a chance. i think both are a step above lovren.

13 Dec 2016 10:29:54
Sakho doesn't deserve to play for us. If it wasn't for his attitude sure, him and Matip would be great together but he's done and dusted at Liverpool.

13 Dec 2016 14:00:52
If you know this has been done to death and know the reasons why Sahko (who I love) isn`t playing, why are you bringing it up? The only reason Sahko is not playing is well, Sahko.

13 Dec 2016 15:59:33
Because Hamilton while he is a lfc player it is still a relevant discussion. i wash the u23s week in, week out and I can't see a stronger partnership than matip and sakho. yes his attitude was terrible but has he not knuckled down and got on with it since. suarez did much worse and we got behind him. i just think it's a waste of an exceptional defender and considering our lapses lately sometimes u have to bite the bullet.

13 Dec 2016 17:36:51
Just wanted to add, I do not wash the u23s week in week out but I do watch them. 😂😂😂😂.

13 Dec 2016 18:08:25
Big, there is no biting the bullet here. Sahko has messed up repeatedly, way before Klopp arrived per the Ed`s. Then, he gets into trouble with the doping thing and regardless of him being "exonerated", he should never have been in that position and caused the club some damaging PR and robbed us of him being in the EL final as he may have helped.

If a player messed up that much, wouldn`t he have tried to keep a low profile and keep his head down and work hard to get in the good graces of the club and the managers. Sahko did none of that. On the contrary, he kept messing about, turning up late for meetings and meals and had the gaul to film Klopp during a presser in the U. S in preseason and that was the last straw. Klopp has laid down the law, is fed up with his antics, attitude and unprofessional conduct and whether we are having issues or not in defence, there is NO way Sahko will come back and I fully support Klopp on this.

If we "bite the bullet as you suggest, Klopp has lost credibility with the DR and that is dangerous as other players will think they can mess up too and people like you will make excuses for them to come back. We need all the players and fans on-side and Klopp cannot be seen to be giving a pass on recurrent bad behavior by a known felon in this case, Sahko.

Sorry, but we can`t have the lunatics running the asylum. This is how Suarez got Kenny fired because we all apologized for him for every dreadful thing he did. Sahko`s gone and we should all get over it, myself included and I have. I suggest you do the same.

13 Dec 2016 18:13:14
You watch them wash?

13 Dec 2016 18:13:55
How many times a week do you wash them mate?

13 Dec 2016 08:12:12
Hello Eds and fellow reds,

Just a quick post re the GK situation. I've been looking at stats and have the following information:

Mignolet: Games played (gp) : 5
Goals Conceded (gc) : 8
Clean sheets (cs) : 0

Karius: gp: 10
gc: 12
cs: 3

I know who I'd rather have in goal.

13 Dec 2016 08:33:29
I never trust stats for GKs, too many factors to consider. Use your eyes and intuition. Do you agree ed?

{Ed001's Note - you can use all of them together, as you need your eyes to give the stats context. Those stats given there are too limited to have any real relevance.}

13 Dec 2016 08:42:48
Migs is not an improvement on Karius, it's like going back to your ex when the current one is struggling. She was never good enough hence you moved on.
What is this love affair with Mignolet lately. The page unanimously agreed to have a new GK in the summer.

13 Dec 2016 09:15:39
What annoyed me at the game was the amount of "fans" around me and throughout the stadium yelling abuse at karius every time he touched the ball even at 1-0.
Fine to have an opinion even express it but at times in that match the fans made it tense every time the ball was in our half. This is extremely impactful in my opinion when we were trying to play out from the back as you need confidence (and for the most part karius and the back line were very good with the ball at their feet) . I just don't agree with the riskiest part of our game being made even more difficult for the players by our fans.
This is added to when there were boos anytime the ball was kicked long. Very difficult for our defence to gain any confidence from the crowd at the moment in my opinion.

13 Dec 2016 10:32:26
Shane, those you were talking about, they are Liverpool fans?

13 Dec 2016 10:54:37
Yeah I was shocked I get to a game a year at best but that was one of the worst atmospheres I've experienced anyway.
Nearly came to blows with the guy beside me as he was yelling vile abuse from the start at karius and lovren. I told him not to turn up to only be a cynical . what's worse is at 2-1 down he was almost happy that he had "been proved right" it was rather pathetic.

13 Dec 2016 12:03:00
Oh. I remembered when I first get to know about Liverpool, I read somewhere about how most were praising the fans for supporting not just the team, but sometimes even the oppositions. Quite shocked and dissappointed to know this Shane.

13 Dec 2016 14:15:17
Sorry you had to go through that, Shane as that was disgraceful. Unfortunately, fans like that exist at every club.

Harry, makes a great point. Migs is a failure, FACT. We all were furious when Klopp gave him a new contract at the very time he was being hammered in the media. That was his way of protecting him and we all agreed that a new GK was needed.

He brought in Karius and now suddenly, temporary amnesia is setting in and many now think Klopp is unfair to Migs and conveniently forgot that Migs had been atrocious for three years and did not play a single preseason game until Karius broke his hand. Had he not, he would have started the season as no. 1 GK. If Migs was that great, he would not have been a failure and Karius wouldn`t be here.

The stats don`t tell the whole story, tho. Karius has been a lot better than Migs as he has made saves that Migs would have let in as he led the PL in goals conceded on the first shot on target last season. Some good shot stopper, he is. Karius is the starter and should be given enough time (not 9 pathetic games) to prove himself as the talent and potential is definitely there.

13 Dec 2016 14:37:23
The irony in saying support the player who's struggling then proceeds to slag off the other player.

13 Dec 2016 15:51:57
Kman, no irony at all.
One has struggled consistently for 3 years, you of all people have probably slagged him off the most.
The other is young, clearly talented (2nd best goalie in Bundesliga last season), and has only had ~10 games so far. Despite only making 2 major mistakes, the fans are already on his back, even before the West Ham game.

13 Dec 2016 18:17:16
Harry, have you never been "back to your ex when your current one is struggling"?
You're missing out mate 😉.

13 Dec 2016 18:16:24
Thank you for the response, Shewsbury as you took the words right out of my keyboard. Kman, Migs was already deemed to be average the day he arrived but like many others, I was willing to give him a chance and he did have some good games for us. Unfortunately after three seasons unchallenged as the no. 1 GK, I will no longer support a known and verifiable failure. That is not slating him. That is verifiable facts.

I personally didn`t care who we brought in provided Migs was no longer GK anymore as I was fed up with him costing us goals (and there`s a long list of those) . Karius has come in and I am prepared unlike many knee jerk posters on here, to give him enough time (not 9 pathetic games) to prove me wrong or right about his highly regarded potential.

If I didn`t judge Migs after 9 games, I will not judge Karius after 9 games either. That is only fair, right? Karius needs my support as Migs needed mine and I gave it to him until he proved to be a failure. I propose many posters do the same because getting on his back unnecessarily will not help him.

13 Dec 2016 18:32:39
Ron my legend
Lol of course 😉. She stays nearby for the same reason.

13 Dec 2016 18:32:39
Ron my legend
Lol of course 😉. She stays nearby for the same reason.

13 Dec 2016 22:47:45
Karius has had a shocking couple of games but doesn't mean he's down and out, he'll be fine, done well considering he's just come to this league and is still young, watch him shine next season. I wouldn't be too happy to see Migs back in goal, he's nothing short of useless, he could do well for a championship team but not Liverpool.

13 Dec 2016 23:30:32
Harry, a small edit to your post, we wanted a better keeper, Karius isn't that yet. If we keep falling behind the leaders the calls will only get bigger.

14 Dec 2016 06:25:58
I didn't hear any abuse of Karius on Sunday apart from the odd "what was he doing? " after the 2nd goal went in. It was soon drowned out by singing.
Clattenburg got booed twice and a half time.
Andy Carroll got a nice round of applause when he came on.

13 Dec 2016 02:01:37
Klopp biting to Nevilles criticism will just add to the attention Karius is getting right now.

Admirable wanting to defend your player but Neville is correct as Karius currently is not playing well enough for a top 4 club who have ambitions to win the league.

I've no doubt he will come good but at the moment he needs to get the head down, work hard on the training ground and improve.

Professional football is a hard business and he needs to show character to get through this tough period.

If not sadly he won't last long at Liverpool which will be a shame as has all the attributes to be top class.

13 Dec 2016 04:40:17
There's a good article in Liverpoolecho, about Karius v Neville, maybe fellow posters and readers can have a look at.

Of course, every one of us subject to their own opinions. Mine, almost the same with that particular article.

13 Dec 2016 06:26:19
Let's not do a Jose Mourinho. Keep it cool and focus on the game.

13 Dec 2016 13:19:04
Even though it's not worth wasting the time to get into any kind of debate with the Neville clown brothers, I think it's crucial for a coach to come out and draw the line when a particular player is being specifically targeted. We've had two poor games, with various players underperforming or making a mistake here and there. But what's with the focus and targetting of Karius only? Guardiola, the always smiling, congenial type always makes it a point to rebut the press when he thinks they've stepped over the line, about a player. And we all know what Mourinho does. He comes out swinging without a damned care as to who gets hurt. So Klopp is absolutely right to draw an "off limits" circle when things get too hot. Staying calm and composed is the preferable response, but people like the clown brothers (with their significantly insufficient number of grey brain cells) will only see it as quiet agreement and invitation to continue with their hysterics and drama.

13 Dec 2016 14:35:25
Elderslie, Gary Neville and pundits are free to criticize players who are making mistakes BUT it seems like they are getting carried away and seem to be unfairly targeting a specific player and blame him for the past two poor games where as Ra said, there is plenty of blame to go around. This is where they are wrong. Karius has admitted that he`s not playing well so he doesn`t need to hear it from a couple of clowns with hidden agendas and neither does Klopp.

To me, Klopp is right to defend his player when he feels he`s being singled out and bullied. Even Ian Ladyman of the Daily Mail who did the Karius interview came to his defence saying he had a right to defend himself, so did Chris Sutton who in his article, called out the Brothers in Failure as hacks and bullies, trying to kick a player when he is down, forgetting how huge failures they were as coaches.

Mou has made a career of making pundits look stupid even when they are right yet Mou and now Pep, are right to do that and Klopp is not? The hypocrisy is deafening. Yes, it`ll be better to not respond but they went over the line along with Carra (something Hammann slated him for) and klopp along with ladyman and Sutton, were right to say, "Enough" of this nonsense.

13 Dec 2016 14:48:53
I agree elderslie, I personally think both Klopp and Neville where right. I think Neville is doing his job as a pundit, he said nothing too disimilair to what redknapp and caragher have said, so no excuses about bias. Karius has been shaky for some weeks now, when put under pressure and when questions have been asked he hasn't convinced, that's just honesty, it doesn't mean I've got it in for him or I'm calling for his head as I'm prepared to give him time but he can't evade critisicism as some would lead you to believe. We have no problem criticising players like Henderson, mignolet, Milner, Moreno etc so the same should apply here. I also agree that the player should put his head down and work as I thought Karius had a somewhat arrogant response to the situation which just puts much more unnecessary pressure on yourself to perform. So let's hope confidence isn't a massive issue for him otherwise his will be shot by now. On he other hand, I think Klopp is right to protect his player and take attention away from him the way he has done, that's good management, but if he was implying that Neville shouldn't talk because he was a poor manager (which I don't think he was) then I don't agree with that. That's basically saying anyone that isn't top class at what they do shouldn't have an opinion. Anyway, I hope this all gets swept under the carpet quickly and move on but the only one that can do that is Karius. The lad needs to improve, it's as simple as that.

13 Dec 2016 18:49:12
Kman, read Ian Ladyman`s comments in the Daily mail. He is the one who organized the interview and he defends Karius and talks about how his comments were taken out of context and were not arrogant in the slightest. I don`t have a problem with criticism and neither does Karius if you read the full article, which I read on Friday. However, What this is hence why Klopp, Ladyman, Hammann and Sutton they`re not all fools) stood up for Karius, is that it looks like a gang up on a young player who is struggling for confidence. That is not constructive criticism. That can be viewed as bulling and scapegoating him for our issues (of which there`s enuff blame to go around), something that none of us would stand for.

No one said Neville should not talk. It is the way he and the others did it that was the problem and Klopp was right to shut the whole thing down because if you attack a player in such a seemingly disingenuous way, you will be called out for your own shortcomings and if you`re a Neville, glass houses should not throw rocks. Fergie was the king at doing this. Pep and Mou slate pundits all the time so no news there.

I agree that Neville should still speak his mind regardless of how pathetic his managerial past was (it was indeed pathetic), BUT if you come off as being a bully just like his clueless bro and Carra were and telling a grown man to shut up and do his job, that my friend, becomes personal and that is disgraceful and he deserved the clap back he got from Hammann. If you told me to shut up and just do my job, you`d better be my dad and if not, you will get the business regardless of who is right or wrong.

To many and myself included, their criticisms went too far and it became personal and that`s where Klopp decided to step in and kill the noise. However, I totally agree with you that only Karius can end this madness and the good thing is, he knows it too.