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15 Apr 2024 13:48:13
We're all annoyed at recent results, performances, missing sitters, team selections etc. but let's not moan today.
Today of all days is not a day to bitch and moan.
Be thankful, be grateful.
There 97 others I can think of who's like to have their say, they didn't get that chance.
God bless them x.
1.) 15 Apr 2024 13:58:33
Nice. That's a great shout and a really good way to put it into perspective and remember those lost 35 years ago.
{Ed025's Note - the memory still very raw to me RR and unfortunately i remember that day well, a sad sad day for football and the city in general as it effected everyone, still no justice for the families as far as im concerned mate..
2.) 15 Apr 2024 14:08:23
Very true mate. I almost posted something rambling on but you're right, today is not the day. Let's have some respect.
3.) 15 Apr 2024 14:37:09
In hindsight
Yes I should have held my tongue
Remembering the 97 and many more impacted by the disaster is more important than anything
Never forgotten.
4.) 15 Apr 2024 14:48:23
Definitely we shouldn't let recent results get in the way of memorialising the 97 fans who never came home 35 years ago. I'll be observing a minutes silence at 3:06pm. On the topic as well, I recommend everyone reads "When You Walk Through The Storm" by Anne Williams. It is an incredibly powerful book that perfectly embodies the fight for justice.
However, I don't think there is any need to censor discussions about football. If some people still want to have football debates today then just let them without making them feel guilty. Being passionate about what is currently happening on the pitch is totally separate to be passionate about the injustice that happened at Hillsborough. It doesn't really need to be turned into a divisive day with comments like this, does it mate. Just my take, as I think we're better off showing unity on today of all days.
5.) 15 Apr 2024 15:41:15
You’re right Myrtle. Today is not the day to pick apart recent results.
I made a mistake in doing that earlier, which was a lapse in judgement.
Today is about those that lost their life’s, their families, friends and also those who were there that day.
YNWA.
6.) 15 Apr 2024 16:57:18
Indeed, guys. This is not that day. If I have done that then, I made a mistake as well.
7.) 15 Apr 2024 17:03:04
97 people went to a publicly organised event and never got to go home, either the same as when they left or at all. Justice has not been served. Their memory will live on forever but there has been no justice . Special mention to the Forest fans, who never flinched, never panicked and are always so supportive. They had to witness that horror and could do nothing to help. Will forever be greatful to their fans and the club. JFT97.
8.) 15 Apr 2024 17:31:00
Alonso
I wasn’t picking on you or anyone else, far from it!
I’m as p. ed off as the rest of us an am bottling up my feelings of the last couple of games.
I was there that fateful day, and for me to moan about Xxx missing a sitter or Mr K’s team selection doesn’t sit right with me (today) .
However, tomorrow is another day!
On a positive note, 85 degrees here today!
9.) 15 Apr 2024 18:13:22
@Myrtle. No need to apologise. And we didn’t take it that way at all. Well, at least I didn’t. Your post was right on the money and was actually needed.
I’m sorry to hear you had to experience that fateful day. Prayers to you and everyone else that were personally affected. And you’re right, tomorrow is another day. Enjoy the good weather wherever you are ?.
02 Oct 2023 01:23:29
You watch Jones's red get rescinded as a 'good will gesture' I can really see this happening.
Someone earlier made the comment of the team walking off as a protest, magnificent idea. Following on from this, I think the time is coming where managers are going to get 2 "challenges" one in each half for any wrong doings. I would've been against this last season, however with the standard of refereeing this early in the season, I personally see this as a great way forward for any teams guilty of hideous referee's decisions.
Thoughts?
1.) 02 Oct 2023 05:28:28
I think walking off would be a mistake. I could be wrong but I believe that is an automatic 3-0 loss to us. Playing on despite the wrong calls shows professionalism and would be more ideal.
2.) 02 Oct 2023 06:23:15
I’m not a fan of a challenges system, it will just slow the game further and give officials something else to hide behind, “they didn’t use their challenge so the decision couldn’t be over turned”.
3.) 02 Oct 2023 06:49:04
Walking off seems like it would create more problems to the game. The backroom staff can do this without the team demonstrating in front of the cameras and then being the face of the whiplash. Although heroic on principle, I don't think it would be professional either.
I think the best thing that's come of the circumstance is everybody knows how wrong the decision was. that's penalty enough. I wouldn't expect anything other than an apology and an 'investigation' into the circumstances.
4.) 02 Oct 2023 07:05:44
We should go back to old days without VAR.
Have 2 or 3 challenges available each team, only captain or a manger can take it. They can contest anything from goal to corners.
It will surely only have some stopages per game.
Also the explanation or how they are doing review should be shown on big screens.
5.) 02 Oct 2023 08:09:52
We couldn't walk off for the offside (or the two reds, really) because I bet the players didn't realise that Diaz was definitely onside. Look at Diaz's reaction.
Whatever happened to not flagging unless the linesman is certain that the player is off?
6.) 02 Oct 2023 08:24:08
Walk off because a decision or decisions go against us? Never.
What sort of precedent would that set? VAR is hindering the game as it is without teams walking off, maybe coming back on and having games replayed possibly more than once.
We should just take it on the chin. We know that referees are influenced by players, crowds and other things but the smaller teams get it worse than we do.
It's not right but it's the way it is.
7.) 02 Oct 2023 08:31:26
MyrtleBeachRed, I get your point overall BUT walking off the pitch is and will never be a good look despite the circumstance. By doing that, you are playing right into the hands of the "powers that be" who would just LOVE for two wrongs to make a right as a route to wash their hands off the absolute dumpster fire they now have on their hands and then, turn around and "blame the victim" like they did with the VVD/ Pickford incident.
I cannot say enuff about how proud I am of the way the team, the staff and the club have handled this whole debacle on and off the pitch. The players have my deepest admiration and respect. Klopp for all his flaws, deserves all the credit in the world. When you have rival fans (even Spurs fans) baking the club and Klopp on this, just shows that there is something bigger than tribalism among fans cos at the end of the day, we all love the game.
8.) 02 Oct 2023 10:55:38
(eds, for some reason when i post a new post it rarely goes through or takes days to do so please could you post this as either a new post or an article if it meets the criteria. Cheers)
I have seen on various threads ideas about whether the issues this weekend were simple mistakes right through to targeted corruption. I believe it was somewhere on the broad stretch between. Either way, these weekly occurrences simply can not be allowed to keep happening.
The thing is, there are no repercussions. There is no dumpster fire. You’ve got people like Neville saying the statement from Liverpool was wrong, but that statement is just about the only thing thing I have seen that does anything other than saying, “grrr, nevermind”.
Every week on MOTD the same words get used to describe not just officiating, but VAR officiating. I am all for VAR and it could be great, but the way it is implemented is all wrong. From the wording, “clear and obvious”, which is bandied around like it makes sense in subjective decision making, to the way decisions are reviewed themselves with super slow, split second perspectives without showing any broader context, to the way we know the siege mentality means they will not readily change decisions because it undermines the quality of officiating if multiple decisions get overturned each game. The whole system sucks.
As with everything we have these days, the deference to third party organisations to oversee or run things just muddies waters and adds more layers of politics to the governance of things. The PGMOL is only going to be self serving and is not going to admit lack of desire to change fundamental systems, even if they are not fit for purpose, because that shows they don’t know what they are doing. That, for me, is where the corruption lies. The layers of covering up for each other, for no consequences for egregious title/ relegation changing errors, or the ability to change the rules to save referees. All VAR has done is make referees more visible and enable them to cover for their mates more easily.
The PGMOL should not be able to decide the rules, nor decide how the rules are implemented. Because the Premier League is the only league in England to use VAR, the Premier League should set the rules for how it is used. It needs to be implemented so that all 20 clubs are happy and so that no conflicts of interests occur with appointments of referees. If heinous errors are made, a Premier League panel is responsible for dealing with repercussions and ensuring that referees are held to suitable standards. I don’t believe it should be to chastise them at every juncture, however.
If we stop revering referees as these robots with super vision and computational abilities and taking their split second reactions as the basis for all decisions, then they will be able to relax more and be used for what their purpose is; a tool to enable the game to run smoothly. When breaks of play occur after a flash point, then conduct a review. Ask the ref to indicate that a review needs to happen, not that a decision has been made. Easy for fouls when the whistle gets blown, not so much for penalties or handballs, but if everyone knows checks are happening in the background and will be significantly reviewed in breaks of play after an indication from the ref or an interjection from VAR then the game can still flow. The point is not to stop the game for every decision, but to bring play back if necessary.
There are a whole raft of ideas for how VAR should be used, but the point is that the players and clubs are affected the most so they should be the ones who get to decide how it is implemented. I think it is fine to have the PGMOL provide a stable of officials to referee matches, but to enable them to keep covering for themselves will continue to affect “sporting integrity”, as Liverpool put it.
As for how change is made, the clubs and the fans need to take a stand - together. It is clear that one set of fans complaining i. e. the Liverpool ones in particular this week, will achieve nothing other than saying we are sore losers from all around. Next week it will be someone else though so we all need to get together and do something. Groups seem to have no issue with protests against owners etc, but a mass protest against a corrupt, self serving, organisation would prove a much more worthwhile exercise. Likewise, a single club making complaints achieves nothing and while you could understand Tottenham not joining in this week, next time it’ll be them who is affected. En masse, the clubs really do have the power to affect change. The PGMOL are not above everyone in terms of accountability, they have just somehow convinced everyone that they are unaccountable it seems. Allowing officials to simply officiate and not govern really could give them a new lease of life.
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9.) 02 Oct 2023 11:14:34
It should be mandatory that all offsides decisions are shown with lines drawn on the big screen and the tv viewers.
All contentious and borderline decisions should be verbally announced once they have been made.
No ambiguity, no coming up with feeble excuses a day later.
{Ed002's Note - How would that change the decisions taken?}
10.) 02 Oct 2023 12:54:56
It wouldn't change most decisions but it would show reasons behind those decisions.
The rules are ambiguous and we are told that the officials are the experts in implementing them. Should we just accept that they are always correct in their decision-making? Id like to know why Joe Gomez can be slide-tackled in the penalty area without the opposition touching the ball. If the rules are not transparent id like them explained in real time to prevent so much frustration and vitriol from fans along with cries of corruption.
If the lines of offside were drawn live in the stadium it might negate the chances of ‘human error’.
{Ed002's Note - The officials understand the rules and human error happens. There is certainly no proposal to start trying to analyse the decisions inside the stadium.}
11.) 02 Oct 2023 13:40:56
Im sure there is no proposal (despite it being successful in other sports) as the officials wouldn't want to have their understanding of the rules scrutinised. Unfortunately, human error happens on a weekly basis despite having the technological assistance at their fingertips.
12.) 02 Oct 2023 13:42:56
I understand the sentiment of everyone in this thread, but I have to disagree. If every team walked off it would make PMGOL's position untenable. No lessons are being learned, the dust hadn't even settled on our game and Brentford were denied a clear penalty, ultimately costing them 2 points. This simply cannot continue, this is not football and extreme action needs to be taken.
18 Apr 2023 00:15:13
It's been said before, but I'll say it again, if we win our remaining games we will be on 71 points. I've had a quick browse at the other teams fixtures and it's not a cert that Newcastle, Spurs, Villa and Brighton will tally 71 points.
The fat lady not in full voice quite yet!
1.) 18 Apr 2023 08:58:56
Sounds a stretch given this season's form, but we've done it before.
I've said several times over the past few years that I really like Jones, a quicker Lallana if you like. I know Ed025 rates him as championship at best, but given a run of games and he's showing he's better than that. Yes he turns the ball over a bit, bit works fake hard to get it back. A bit worried for Elliot's lack of minutes lately though.
{Ed025's Note - in the end burkey my opinion of jones is just that...an opinion, but it is the right one im afraid, one swallow has never made a summer mate and he would have to turn into bellingham for me to change my mind.. :)
2.) 18 Apr 2023 10:21:54
He'd walk into Evertons midfield.
3.) 18 Apr 2023 13:59:09
Yeah, cos clearly Championship calibre players can execute that brilliant, well-weighted pass for Jota's goal OR execute that banger of a goal Jones scored that put Everon out of the FA Cup a few years back. Were Doucoure or MacNiel had done both those things, Ed25 would be waxing lyrical about them being KDB-esque.
{Ed025's Note - i dont think you like hearing the truth do you oli?, you bring everton into every conversation even though its nothing to do with them, so ok, jones is absolutely brilliant.."world class" in fact, why would you need jude when you have curtis?, im putting him up there with messi and ronaldo, fantastic talent who will win you the league next year...is that better?
06 Feb 2023 13:06:28
Away from the current form and the Man City saga. Not forgetting The Busby Babes and all aboard that ill fated flight 65 years ago today.
May they all rest in eternal peace.
No colours in tragedy. ever.
Never Walking Alone ❤️.
1.) 06 Feb 2023 13:25:25
Good call, Myrtle. Never forgotten.
2.) 06 Feb 2023 14:51:29
Well said, Myrtle. YNWA.
25 Apr 2022 23:38:55
Just reflecting on if someone had said to me back in July how the last 8 months would pan out.
'Ok, C.V. football has been a bit rubbish, so we're going to give you the perfect football season to make up for it. Let's get to the heart of it first - you're going to win everything this season: all 4. The lot. '
' hell, seriously? '
'Yeah. But that's not all. Everton will appoint and then sack Rafa Benitez, appoint a failing Frank Lampard and find themselves in the relegation zone at the start of May. Man United will sink into a spiral of mediocrity and terminal corporate failure and sack their club legend in November and replace him with an anonymous European. In the meantime Liverpool will win every game in the Champions League group stage, exact sweet revenge on Simeone, score 4 at Goodison, score 5 at Old Trafford, win twice in six weeks at Arsenal, your reserve goalie will score the winning pen in a cup final, and we'll give you a straightforward Champions League knockout draw against Benfica in the quarters then Villareal in the semis. The final itself looks like an expensive pain in the arse to get to, in Russia, so we'll get it moved across to Paris instead'.
'**** me, where do I sign up? '
'Well that's actually not all. The European draw is a little bit too winnable so let's have a few big European nights in there to spice it up. Let's beat the Spanish champions on their own ground, and have a party night in one of the great iconic grounds of Europe. You played in Madrid quite a bit recently, Barcelona are rubbish right now and you won in Munich the other year, so let's throw in a win in the San Siro . in fact, yeah, let's say two. Let's have 2 wins in the San Siro in the same season. In fact you'll have more away wins in Milan than Everton will manage in England all season! '
'**** me. Can I retire now? '
'Hang on, hang on . the phones going'.
(Pause)
'Divock wants a word. '.
1.) 26 Apr 2022 01:08:00
Excellent and hilarious. And nobody could have imagined all this at the beginning of the season. It really has been one hell of a ride, and still yet to finish. Fingers crossed.
2.) 26 Apr 2022 06:39:25
Brilliant post ðŸ‘ðŸ‘.
{Ed001's Note - I agree, that is a great post.}
3.) 26 Apr 2022 07:24:56
Class myrtle!
4.) 26 Apr 2022 08:06:12
Great read Mrtyle.
5.) 26 Apr 2022 08:07:55
GOATED!
6.) 26 Apr 2022 07:10:15
Brilliant post! I was watching Jurgen fist pump after the Everton game and couldn't stop smiling. What an absolute legend. My favourite liveepool manager in my living memory and I'm 42.
7.) 26 Apr 2022 10:48:33
Fantastic post Myrtle!
8.) 26 Apr 2022 11:17:51
Brilliant post Myrtle!
9.) 26 Apr 2022 11:51:18
Great post Mrtyle. This season couldn't be more "opposite" to last season's nightmare. Here's hoping we can keep these performances and results going until we run out of games.
10.) 26 Apr 2022 12:16:56
Thanks for the wittiest post I've read on here for a while I'll be guessing your from the south end?
11.) 26 Apr 2022 12:58:58
Iron Man, I’ve been in Myrtle Beach SOuth Carolina for 14 years…must say I don’t miss the weather back home.
12.) 26 Apr 2022 15:18:43
We were thinking of stopping there a few years ago but went further south to Savannah and Tybee island. Looks a beautiful place though mate.
13.) 26 Apr 2022 19:35:45
Nice vacation spot as well, OP.
MyrtleBeachRed's rumour replies
24 Jul 2023 15:21:56
Ed 25, perhaps we could get Yerri Mina in on a free, or Holgate? A couple of turnips to play with the cabbages.
{Ed025's Note - yerry is way above them 3 MBR, but holgate would fit right in, what a soup mix that would be.. :)
27 Aug 2022 03:28:25
Wouldn’t mind the lad from Leicester, Dewsbury-Hall, he’s a machine that lad.
01 Aug 2022 20:19:19
I’d rather have Adrian as our 3rd choice (yes, 3rd) keeper as opposed to City having Steffen as their 2nd choice last season.
He’s not going to play much and if he does, he’s got my vote.
MyrtleBeachRed's banter replies
15 Apr 2024 17:31:00
Alonso
I wasn’t picking on you or anyone else, far from it!
I’m as p. ed off as the rest of us an am bottling up my feelings of the last couple of games.
I was there that fateful day, and for me to moan about Xxx missing a sitter or Mr K’s team selection doesn’t sit right with me (today) .
However, tomorrow is another day!
On a positive note, 85 degrees here today!
29 Mar 2024 20:16:28
Give Gary O’Neil a go, passionate young English manager. Was a success managing the U23sfor a while…probed himself at Wolves after being treated badly at Bournemouth!
10 Mar 2024 16:48:56
Gordon Banks
Check Tiote
Jed S-pence
Penny McCarthy.
13 Sep 2023 19:13:05
The Europa League this year is a blessing then…no more 1230 Saturday games✔️.
06 Sep 2023 03:51:13
Waqas
His FA Cup Semi Final goal against Chelsea at Old Trafford was another standout.