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05 Feb 2017 21:21:55
Evening, don't know if you have already seen but what do you make of the alleged leaked emails of John W Henry? Cheers.


1.) 06 Feb 2017 03:26:30
Nothing at all - they talk about the club being available for a steal, but that's not a steal from the fans. it's simply referring to the ability to buy it cheap from G&H because they were in trouble after running the place into the ground. Why should we care if they thought the price was a steal from those grubs?

They also rightly point out the value in the name and brand, the fact it hasn't previously been making any money from the international fans/ website, and explicitly mentions investing in the stadium and bringing in the best and brightest to run the club.

The references to administration and docking points were that it was unpalatable and that they liked the Liverpool team after they met them. nothing in those mails points to anything other than the view Liverpool was an attractive opportunity and available on the cheap because it underinvested in before. We all knew that at the time.

2.) 06 Feb 2017 12:35:41
Good post zimbo. Sick to death of the owner bashing on here and online etc. people need to wake up and grow up. Fsg have pumped millions into the club and klopp also had funds available which he decided not to use. 3 points against spurs please YNWA.

3.) 06 Feb 2017 16:31:57
Two of the best posts I've read in a while and I thank you both .

4.) 07 Feb 2017 17:05:40
Spot on, boys. Nothing to see here, per emails. Just nothing-burger for their haters to have a bite at. When LFC is struggling and the moaners can't slate Klopp or the players, they default position is to attack the owners. Why? They are easy targets and it's not like they can defend themselves, can they?



09 Jan 2017 11:30:27
Tiago Ilori has signed a contract with reading and has completed his £3.75m move


1.) 09 Jan 2017 15:32:47
Good luck to him

2.) 09 Jan 2017 19:52:11
Good business all round. Hopefully Tiago can get his career back on track and we even managed to turn a small paper profit on someone who played 3 games for us.

3.) 09 Jan 2017 21:29:20
Thought we paid £7m for him?

4.) 09 Jan 2017 22:24:58
We haven't made a profit, quite a significant loss. 7 million to buy, wages etc.

5.) 09 Jan 2017 22:38:54
He was bought at £3.5m

6.) 10 Jan 2017 09:50:40
TM reports the purchase fee was £6.38m, but whatever, no point getting bogged down with figures. The main thing is he can finally get his career back on track. Hope he becomes a real success, and not just because of the reported 35% sell-on clause. ;)

7.) 10 Jan 2017 12:11:15
The 7 mill was based over clauses the initial outlay was much less.

8.) 10 Jan 2017 13:39:47
Only mentioned paper profit. We paid £3.5m for him as per another poster above, with add ons potentially bringing that to £7m. Given he only played 3 games, the add ons weren't ever required.

Of course we paid wages, fees etc, but we have so often over the last 10-15 years made significant losses on our 'gambles' when other teams often make profits or break even. I am glad that in the last couple of windows we have started achieving much better sell on prices for players that are no longer part of our plans (Benteke, Ibe, Smith, Ilori etc) as this ultimately benefits our finances.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool paid €7.5M for Ilori before any add ons. They then paid taxes (€1.125M), a signing on fee, agent fees, €375k FA registration, Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable, legal fees, relocation costs, wages, insurance ..... the loan fee of £350k from Aston Villa was repaid by Liverpool - I don't see any "paper profit".}

9.) 10 Jan 2017 14:09:16
Fair enough, Ed002. It appears the papers have it wrong (as usual! ) as they are reporting that we paid £3.5m as a transfer fee before add ons.

My point was merely that we don't seem to be getting as badly stung in the market when selling on players as we have done in the past, which is a good thing.

{Ed002's Note - The figure I gave was what Liverpool registered on the TMS.}

10.) 10 Jan 2017 19:54:12
Reading for promotion then 😇

11.) 11 Jan 2017 08:39:57
Yeah and the registered fee for Sakho at the same time was £16.15. So I'd expect Liverpol to accept something close enough tho that rather than the £20 that is being reported.

{Ed002's Note - The registered fee is not in £. Sorry.}



08 Jan 2017 12:17:28
Liverpool will make an effort, this January to acquire the services of Quincey Promes, a figure close to £27 million will be offered


1.) 08 Jan 2017 12:28:06
Hope not. Christian Atsu v2.0

2.) 08 Jan 2017 20:49:29
Sorry Ron, but I got to disagree with you mate. Have you seen much of Quincey Promes play? He's a totally different build to Christian Atsu, he's much stronger on the ball, he'd be a great addition to the team. He's quick, strong and can finish. I've seen him play all over the pitch, LM/ RM/ CAM/ LW/ RW/ CF/ ST.

3.) 08 Jan 2017 20:59:51
Not happening Hutch.

4.) 08 Jan 2017 22:33:22
From what I've seen of him (which isn't much I have to say) he plays a lot like Mane which can't be a bad thing in my eyes. I wouldn't say we particularly need him but he would be a welcome addition and might just give the other lads a pick me up like new signings can do.

5.) 09 Jan 2017 01:00:13
I can see making sense because
1) we have only one starting team experienced winger with real pace in Mane (if we exclude the youngsters like Ojo)
2) it would allow Firmino to play upfront if Coutinho or Mane are out
3) it would also allow Klopp to drop Coutinho into midfield to provide some creativity if Llalana is not available/ needs a rest

The problem is it'll mean we're very heavy in the forward line and also harder for the likes of Ojo to get a shot but if Klopp plans to drop Coutinho a little deeper from time to time then I'd be happy to see the move

6.) 09 Jan 2017 01:36:37
Haven't seen a lot of him but he looks half decent in a garbage league. No chance of making it in the Premier league.

7.) 09 Jan 2017 06:58:22
We don't need him. We have ojo

8.) 09 Jan 2017 09:14:05
Christian Atsu v2.0 eh Ron? - that would be OK it would mean Chelsea sign him ahead of us and then loan him out 6 months later - I can live with that.

9.) 09 Jan 2017 15:04:08
Most of his youTube skills are all shots from a fair distance. long ones.

Not sure what to make of it but looks like he has confidence to pull off such long shots which is a good sign.

10.) 09 Jan 2017 15:33:58
Not sure the leagues best attacking team needs another attacker to be honest.

11.) 09 Jan 2017 15:50:00
I don't get this we have ojo lark that people say, he's not good enough just like ibe wasnt. if klopp thinks we need another wide/ forward player then that's what we need. I hope we get this quincy lad.

12.) 09 Jan 2017 17:12:54
It's shocking how lots of people still believe that youngsters will take liverpool to the next level. Often you see comments like we've got ojo, we've got bla bla to step in for more senior players. Absolute tripe. They should be given time to blend in and not expect them to cover for so and so.

13.) 09 Jan 2017 19:35:16
Let Kopp decide eh 🤔🙄

14.) 09 Jan 2017 23:03:06
Samikewell sounds like you're describing the one and only Ryan Babel.

15.) 10 Jan 2017 12:46:16
You say Ojo isn't good enough?

Players only get better by playing football at a high level.

With your attitude Yipster, Bellerin never would have been given the game time to turn him from 4th choice backup to the best right back in the league. Same story for Harry Kane. Same story for Alli. I could go on and on.

Promise is a few years older than Ojo and has more experience so I would expect more from him but if we give that to Ojo (a player we already have) then what?

We develop our own player, tap into the potential of one the country's best young prospects and save millions on bringing in a player we never really needed.

16.) 10 Jan 2017 15:34:22
Yipster, you discredited yourself already by stating that Ojo (a 19 yr old) is no longer good enough cos he`s only played what like 10 games in the first team? With that attitude, we would never have found players like Sterling and Owen who were given more than 10 games to prove their worth. if Barcelona had that attitude, would they have found Xavi, Iniesta and even Pep? had real had that attitude, would they have found Raul and the list is endless? Sheesh!

17.) 10 Jan 2017 15:58:10
200% with you Hamilton.

It's bizarre that a 19year old highly regarded as having a bright future in the game can be dismissed as not gone enough based off a handful of matches and a below par first game back from injury against Plymouth (which I imagine is where this Yipster post and all it's 'agrees' is really originating from)

18.) 10 Jan 2017 19:55:03
Ojo just oozes class, he will make it, no question

{Ed025's Note - i take it you were working last sunday then ron?.. :)

19.) 10 Jan 2017 20:06:35
I agree that it's too early to judge Ojo but personally I am not holding my breath on the lad.
Hamilton-The reason those players where given more than 10 games was because they showed they were good enough, by that logic we should give everyone 10 plus games and see how they go.

20.) 10 Jan 2017 21:03:24
Alli and kane are bad examples. they were given a shot and grabbed it with both hands. Making it nearly impossible for the manager to drop them. I agree they need time, just wish a few of them would force it a little more.

21.) 10 Jan 2017 21:46:50
I don't judge players on one game ed025 😛
It's either 2 games or a 6 minute plus YouTube compilation 😎

{Ed025's Note - you would make a great scout ken..dib dib dib.. :)

22.) 11 Jan 2017 03:35:57
Ibe and Brad Smith are now in the biggest struggle of their careers.

No longer are they at a huge club getting a few games in the first team with not much criticism attached to their performances.

They are now players who a smaller well run club invested 21 million quid in the pair of them.

With that investment comes pressure of delivering performances better than the players already at the club.

How they cope with this new pressure will dictate if they will ever be top class.




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21 Feb 2017 22:36:08
If mario gotze does make the move to Liverpool in your opinion who is most likely to be put aside for him, surely he is being bought to be a first team player.


{Ed001's Note - why does he have to be a first team player?}

1.) 22 Feb 2017 07:41:51
I'm sorry but is it just me who thinks gotze is very overrated? Haven't seen loads of his games but the ones I have he's been bang average. but klopp nows the player I suppose so we must trust his judgment. Now if we were interested in rues I'd be one happy man going in to next season .

2.) 22 Feb 2017 09:56:01
He won't want to come and sit on the bench will he ed?

{Ed001's Note - maybe not, but I don't see any way of getting him in the team.}

3.) 22 Feb 2017 10:09:04
Ozil part 2.

4.) 22 Feb 2017 10:21:20
Hi Ed,

Are we definitely back in for Götze again?


{Ed001's Note - not that I know of.}

5.) 22 Feb 2017 10:34:09
I just can't see any deal being done for him if he is to sit on the bench and wait for a injured lallana or coutinho?

6.) 22 Feb 2017 13:52:34
We do not need another attacking midfielder. haven't we learnt our lesson from afcon?

7.) 22 Feb 2017 14:17:07
Eds I presumed with all the talks of him that something had been said that we are again looking at him lol. The whole conversation is a waste then now youve put it to bed lol.

{Ed001's Note - not that I know of. He is just out of favour and looking to leave, Klopp knows him well, so stories come out adding 2 and 2 together. It is pure guesswork as usual.}

8.) 22 Feb 2017 14:55:20
Ok mate fair enough. I prefer Brandt tbh over him. Do you? All thoigh Real are interested I see now.

{Ed001's Note - no idea not seen enough of Brandt to judge him.}

9.) 22 Feb 2017 19:34:54
Nothing but recycled nonsense and making 2 and 2 equal 4, by the media as Ed said regarding MG. As for Brandt, I can tell you Ed that he is some player tho young, but is exactly what we need. He is fast, can play either side of the pitch, can shoot and score with either foot and a menace with his stellar dribbling ability. Saw him a lot at the Olympics where he and Max Meyer were really good.

10.) 23 Feb 2017 10:39:14
Goetze coming to us would only happen if either Firmino or Coutinho left.

11.) 23 Feb 2017 11:24:54
Over rated, we're trying to get rid of one fool we don't need another. He won't be coming, Klopps not that daft, surely.

12.) 23 Feb 2017 11:58:15
Would Gotze improve the first team options? On his last year's performances you'd have to say no. Maybe less an injury risk than Sturridge but hardly the same quality.



29 Jan 2017 19:12:33
5 new players I'd go for in the summer if I was klopp
Van dijk
Inalki Williams
Alex Sandro
Joe hart

That would be a successfully window in my eyes, and sell the likes of, Sturridge, Sakho, Lucas, Moreno, can


1.) 29 Jan 2017 19:38:30
Just for one, may I ask why Joe Hart? personally I think he's far from good enough for us.

2.) 29 Jan 2017 19:46:13
The 2 I would go for are
Titus Bramble
Emile Heskey
Lee Cattermole
Karl Henry
Joleon Lescott
Harry Kewell

That is 2 players, right?

3.) 29 Jan 2017 19:59:31
That's over 200 mil topoftheKOP I like Williams and carvalho but looks doubtful to me.

4.) 29 Jan 2017 19:59:47
About £ 200 million worth of talent in that selection Topofthekop. I take it you mean over 3 transfer windows and not all at once.

5.) 29 Jan 2017 20:16:57
Also around 60-70m on the players from sales, and I should of said 7 not 5 my mistake

6.) 29 Jan 2017 21:38:33
Sure there's 7 in that list not 5 😂

7.) 29 Jan 2017 22:02:37
The 10 new players I would go for is David Silva and Eden Hazard

8.) 29 Jan 2017 22:45:56
I would buy four new players - Lionel Messi

9.) 29 Jan 2017 23:15:15
To be fair messi is 4 players 😂

10.) 29 Jan 2017 23:26:42
I think only 5 of the names in the list are players 😄

11.) 30 Jan 2017 07:19:35
with being a hair dresser,60 -70m for who ever can guess that player is.

12.) 30 Jan 2017 08:51:27
Hilarious, i just love this site, but i digress, i agree with the op, sakho would have been a welcome addition during january. I agree you have to take your profession seriously ron, but who decides how serious you must be, is there some sort of seriousometer? Fact is he is a good footballer and has done the business when called upon. He has also publicly stated this weekend that he takes responsibility for his actions.

I understand what ed01 has said about him but i don't think his antics are a deal breaker especially when compared to the runt for example. I have sympathy for him but accept that it is over for him now and we must move on.

13.) 30 Jan 2017 16:16:09
Topofthekop, I highly doubt any of what you post will happen BUT one can only hope.



24 Jan 2017 12:39:25
Although there has been obvious interest in William carvalho, Liverpool are not bringing him in this transfer window




13 Jan 2017 15:16:03
Is it just me wondering why we have not made an approach to sign fonte from Southampton? Wouldn't that give us abit more stability in defence over klavan? Him and matip in defence? Killer combination, don't understand it atall


{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has no intention of selling Klavan.}

1.) 13 Jan 2017 15:27:16
I know this only works in CM or other games, but Fonte (who is 33/ 4) plus cash for Sakho would seem like a decent result for all parties.

In Fonte we will have as player who may not have a decade of service to give, but seems to have improved both players who have played alongside him recently in Lovren and VVD. He would certainly play more part in our defence than Sakho has done in the last 6 months, and would give us decent options with Matip, Lovren and Klavan. This also takes pressure off Gomez who is only 19.

2.) 13 Jan 2017 15:41:24
We want quite a lot of money for Sakho, I'm not sure how offloading him, plus giving cash, for a 33/ 34 yr old would represent a good deal for us? This also moves Gomezto 5th choice cb, not exactly ideal for his development to have two 30+ squad players in front of him along with the two 1st choice.

3.) 13 Jan 2017 15:59:03
Back!, go back! and re-read my post!

I said Fonte + cash for Sakho, not the other way round.

I'm making up numbers here (sorry Ed002), but we want (roughly) £20m for Sakho, and Saints are looking for (roughly) £5m for Fonte. So Fonte + £15m, or even Fonte + £10m, could be a deal that works all round. Whilst we have Sakho, he's not contributing to the first team and he's costing a lot in wages. Fonte plus some money in the bank (however much that is, within reason) seems a much better option than keeping Sakho in the U23s.

4.) 13 Jan 2017 16:07:09
Ok understood apologies. But if your suggestion overall was Fonte plus about 15m they could just pay 17m and not have to give us Fonte. There is no way you can spin this to make a good deal out of it for both sides.

{Ed002's Note - Why would Liverpool want yet another centre back? There is no more space unless someone is sold - and even Klopp is not stupid enough to buy to replace someone who is not even in the first team squad.}

5.) 13 Jan 2017 16:21:20
The club can't have 5 CB's. Moreover Sakho was replaced by Klavan in the summer.

6.) 13 Jan 2017 16:09:58
We're not looking to replace Sakho though. Our CBs are Matip, Lovren, Klavan, Gomez and Lucas, Sakho is just an asset we're looking to cash in.

7.) 13 Jan 2017 16:30:40
Back, that's why I said "Fonte plus some money". +£15m is very optimistic (but I am an optimist! ), so maybe +£10m is more realistic. As to why they wouldn't just buy him outright, they may well do that if we're not interested in Fonte or him us. But if both parties are interested then why not? A bit like Owen for £8m + Nunez. If Fonte wants to go, is nearing the end of his contract and is 34, then his value isn't massive no matter how well he's playing.

Ed002, fair point, but I think Klopp may be fearing for Matip's injuries and may not be convinced by the Lovren/ Klavan partnership. As you have often said, players are transient employees rather than supporters, hence Klopp may see Fonte as a useful addition to a CB pool that includes one great player who has got injured quite a bit in his first half-season, 2 reasonable/ good players and 1 19 year old rookie.

Just my view.

8.) 13 Jan 2017 16:36:40
I feel like you're just arguing your point for prides sake now, there is no deal, Fonte plus cash (any random amount you suggest) for Sakho, that is fair for both sides.

9.) 13 Jan 2017 17:42:22
If you guys absolutely insist on getting a CB from Southampton, then it should be the other one, not this one.

10.) 13 Jan 2017 20:03:22
Lovren isn't good enough sakhos going lucas not a cb and to slow that leaves matip klavan gomez im with zeddicus fonte all day long.

11.) 13 Jan 2017 20:18:26
when we do sign a cb, he won't be 33/ 34 years old .

12.) 13 Jan 2017 21:00:42
Its january experienced cb short term if ut helps us win the premier league then thars fine by me.

13.) 13 Jan 2017 23:52:54
Time to call the "answer". yes I am talking about Steven Caulker. He can fill CB and striker!

14.) 14 Jan 2017 00:14:54
Zed, it doesn`t matter. Fonte wants to go to Utd, per Ed01.




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22 Feb 2017 10:34:09
I just can't see any deal being done for him if he is to sit on the bench and wait for a injured lallana or coutinho?




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29 Jan 2017 20:16:57
Also around 60-70m on the players from sales, and I should of said 7 not 5 my mistake




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24 Jan 2017 12:50:16
He will not join this window 100% although there has been interest in him, I doubt he would even be signed in the summer