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31 Jan 2023 11:28:32
Ed1, hope you are well mate. what's your take / opinion on why LFC are not making more signings?
I know that there is a toxic atmosphere just now round LFC, and the pundits etc all complaining we need a new midfield etc is driving this with the fans.
Also with rivals spending like its going out of fashion it further drives the toxicity in the fans as where not buying literally everyone.
I assume its because we have a good team and its hard to replace the quality we have and improve the team without spending incredible amounts of money. I don't understand personally why so many fans are getting themselves worked up about what Chelsea or Arsenal are doing as for me there is going to be some hits and some misses for both with the players they sign.
I personally don't think any of the players they bought would improve our team even Fernandez. I think people are getting caught up with WC fever and the fact Chelsea are spending 300 Mill in the Jan window.
{Ed001's Note - I think a lot of it is because the way the team is playing is not going to be fixed by a signing.}
1.) 31 Jan 2023 11:58:39
Is Boehly finally putting some accountable debt against Chelsea or are the funds still coming out of some magic pot somewhere?
2.) 31 Jan 2023 11:59:38
The invite for Klopp and Lijnders to coach their way out of this has been open since 31st August 2022.
3.) 31 Jan 2023 12:01:07
I'm hoping, Kloppofthedeen, that work is being done, behind the scenes, to get the player/ s we want in the summer. That may be naivety or wishful thinking on my part. I honestly haven't given up on Bellingham joining. And before I get pelters I know him alone won't fix our current plight.
4.) 31 Jan 2023 12:19:39
Depends if it was 11 signings Ed1 ?.
5.) 31 Jan 2023 12:47:18
Id assume the summer will bring in new bodies when the time is right. I personally think if they went back to what we did well and played with intensity we would be in a much healthier position than currently. let's see what the summer brings.
6.) 31 Jan 2023 14:50:14
I don’t think there’s any point trying to save this season with anymore rash decisions, Gakpo is beginning to look like one of those.
I’m just furious at everyone involved to be honest. There’s no anger or fire from anybody, everybody at the club collectively shrugging their shoulders.
Waaa injuries, waaa no signings, waaa last season made us tired and we’re sad. It’s pathetic. I’ve completely lost my patience with the manager, this group of players, the backroom staff, the transfer gurus, even the fans who are either making excuses or happy to let anfield become a morgue.
Ironically, the only people i’m not particularly angry at are the owners. What you see is what you get, they aren’t sugar daddies, they’re investors. If you’re upset that your club is being used as a toy and you have no say in how it is run, i agree, welcome to capitalism.
That can’t be changed and it isn’t something we have a say in, that’s the nature of football at present. All we can do is do the best with what we have, Klopp knows that and he was happy to stay.
While we can’t spend like Chelsea or City, we can definitely do better than this. The very least we can expect is a sign that they have a slither of self awareness or critical thinking, to allow themselves to realise what is going wrong and how they can fix it. I’m not seeing that.
Excuses, complaining, shrugging of shoulders. The manager doesn’t think he’s done anything wrong, the players haven’t done anything wrong - apparently none of them ever need to be sold, lifelong contracts for everyone - the backroom staff haven’t done anything wrong, the fitness staff haven’t done anything wrong, the signings/ scouts are infallible and nothing has gone wrong there either.
After every match they say they finally get it, and then the next game, they go out and do the same exact thing again, only even worse. It feels like the final years of Wenger. This is easily the whiniest and most childish post i’ve ever done, but i’m at the end of my tether.
We’re over halfway through the season and every single week the performances get worse. I don’t understand how a manager of Klopps calibre, or how a group of players this experienced, can show such a lack of self awareness, and also lack the drive needed to fix the problem.
7.) 31 Jan 2023 14:58:36
Ed001 you’ve got it bang on mate.
8.) 31 Jan 2023 15:44:18
Calm yourself down, AW.
The bad times make the good times better. Look at last season; fans were not even happy when we nearly won the lot.
9.) 31 Jan 2023 15:47:50
Decent post that, AW.
We keep hearing a lot of excuses.
There does appear to be a lack of any kind of fire or aggression. I posted a few weeks ago that I used to love Klopp's way of describing his teams to be "angry, cheeky and greedy" on the pitch.
We are none of those right now, on the pitch or off it.
19 Jan 2023 21:51:40
Psgs wage bill is 111% of their annual turnover. And I thought Everton’s was bad at 96% for the dross they pay! (Sorry ed 25 lol)
{Ed025's Note - its ok KOTD, but at least PSG win things..
1.) 19 Jan 2023 22:23:16
It's still irrelevant to Liverpool's financial situation. They have owners who can pour money in non-stop. Nobody is disputing that FSG need to sell or seek investment.
Also not sure Everton are a great example of how to run a football club!
2.) 20 Jan 2023 00:19:13
It's small revenue compared to the big boys.
Can you imagine what apple turnover is?
3.) 20 Jan 2023 04:27:27
Ahhh my nan’s apple turnover was priceless.
{Ed001's Note - my nan's apple turnover was like all of her cooking - worthless. She had to be the worst cook in existence. Everything was the same, grey and tasteless. Possibly due to the fact that she was a chainsmoker who always cooked with a cig in her mouth and a length of ash on the end that was always dangerously teetering on the brink of falling off. I think, until the microwave was invented and she started cooking in that instead, everything I ate as a kid was half ash and half food.
You know when they say it tastes like chicken? Well everything she cooked tasted like her chicken, even the veg! When she cooked the kid's pet rabbit as money was short and they had none to get meat that week, nobody even noticed that it tasted different from usual.
That is why I nominate the microwave as the greatest invention of all time. It locked the food away from the dangers of falling fag ash.}
4.) 20 Jan 2023 05:55:25
Incredible ? ? ?.
5.) 20 Jan 2023 06:21:55
I feel your pain Ed, shames me to say that I never rated me own mas cooking. Talking about nans though, me nan made the best fruit slices in the world, to the point where since I have never bought one from a shop/ bakery.
{Ed001's Note - me ma is a good cook, bakes some lovely stuff, but me nan was just terrible.}
6.) 20 Jan 2023 06:23:33
Out of curiosity, what is everyone's pre match meal/ snack?
7.) 20 Jan 2023 07:25:01
Like a samosa, Walkon79.
8.) 20 Jan 2023 07:47:25
Love your work @IDOG.
9.) 20 Jan 2023 08:22:38
4 pints of larger. Walkon ??.
10.) 20 Jan 2023 08:25:22
It was my joke, WDW! I was just far more subtle than IDOG but I'll claim an assist, so Jobs a good un ?.
What was your nan's corned beef ash like, Ed001?
{Ed001's Note - very ashy.}
11.) 20 Jan 2023 11:24:21
Hi Ed001. Who doesn't like a nice big plate of Corned Beef Ash.
{Ed001's Note - we used to always find excuses to avoid eating her cooking. She thought the Wimpey was a posh slap up meal bless her.}
16 Jan 2023 19:16:02
Hey ed25 not LFC related but how do you think Everton’s issues will play out? Seems really toxic just now, do you think u will get relegated or manage to avoid it?
I personally hope Everton aren’t relegated would miss not having a derby to look forward to!
Merseyside is full of toxic fan fair just now it’s devastating to see.
{Ed025's Note - its very toxic with the blue half KOTD, the whole club is a total mess from top to bottom im afraid, and relegation seems unavoidable at the moment with us having really poor players low on confidence and a manager who looks like a deer in the headlights, its not looking good mate..
1.) 16 Jan 2023 20:03:33
I fear for Everton too No25, three hard games coming up tho I can you beating our Mob ?. Premier League wouldn’t be the same without the Merseyside Derby. Fingers crossed for the next few months ??.
{Ed025's Note - i honestly think the light at the end of the tunnel has been switched off irish, we dont look like winning a game anytime soon mate and the players dont seem to have the fight for a battle like this..
2.) 16 Jan 2023 20:35:31
Everton right now strike me as a side that have been around the bottom 3 for a few years that eventually drop.
I hope I'm wrong but the only thing that will keep you up is goodison, and right now the fans look like they are losing their minds. And fighting each other rather then for the club.
The club needs a talisman but not sure who that'll be this year, I just know it won't be lamps!
{Ed025's Note - i dont think its a talisman we need WYred...its a miracle mate..
3.) 16 Jan 2023 20:44:20
We seem to be having this same conversation regarding the blues every season now.
I remember saying last season that Everton going down would be hilarious for a few weeks, until we realise we have no Derby to look forward to anymore.
So I don’t mind Everton skirting around the relegation zone, because it’s great for banter but if you lot went down then so does the banter and the derby with it.
Would much rather Everton was doing better than the Manchester clubs as well, just as long as your always at least a point behind us.
4.) 16 Jan 2023 20:54:09
Hello Ed025, Lampard struggled at Derby County, who came in for Lampard and only for the deduction of points for financial rules would have kept them up.
I see Wayne Rooney as the EFC manager when your first competitive game is played at Bramley Moor and possibly the last ever game at Goodison Park.
{Ed025's Note - i bloody hope not 007, i could not think of a worse appointment mate..
5.) 16 Jan 2023 22:21:18
I don’t think it’s Lampard’s fault, or Rafa’s before him. IF (and for the sake of Evertonians I hope it isn’t) Rooney who is brought in next when Lampard is discarded, I don’t think it will be his fault either. From an outsiders perspective it seems to be the people (or rather person) running the club who is clueless, or maybe unwilling to listen to or accept advice.
Personally, if I was an Everton fan (God forgive me for saying that ?) I would have taken Big Duncan as manager. It might not have been tiki-Taki football but I’d bet that Everton’s opponents would have known they had been in a game, whoever they were.
{Ed025's Note - if we had klopp and pep-G as joint managers the couldn,t save this lot WDW, the club is poison from top to bottom mate..
6.) 16 Jan 2023 22:40:40
I think the Ev need a re-set. Going down might not be the worst thing mate, you’d just bounce back up Ed and most of the leaches will leave.
{Ed025's Note - do you really think so LFC8?, i think once we go down mate it will be for a long time..
7.) 16 Jan 2023 22:40:45
My pre season relegation predictions were Southampton, the Ev, and one of Leeds or Bournemouth. That was mostly based on seeing how good some of the other squads in the league are, and then looking at those four. Bournemouth and Leeds haven't strengthened in the way that they should have, but Southampton and Everton are in a whole other world of pain. Years of poor decisions have led to them both having squads where there is absolutely nothing to like.
Contrastingly, even the other teams down at the bottom have squads where there is a lot to like. Leicester, Villa, Wolves, Crystal Palace and West Ham all have very decent squads with sprinklings of quality, but have suffered at the hands of some poor management.
I can't see any quality remaining at Everton. Last year you had Richarlison, but this year you have Maupay and and McNeil. Dwight bloody McNeil. For 20 million smackeroons.
I'm afraid you're right Ed, I can't see any way out for you this time.
{Ed025's Note - i agree with you AW mate..
8.) 16 Jan 2023 23:10:58
I still see other teams going down before Everton 25 mate.
9.) 17 Jan 2023 01:08:58
No-one's mentioned DCL in this thread. He's only just back and will keep you up.
{Ed025's Note - really?, since he came back our 6ft 2inch version of billy elliot has done very little to convince me of that mate..
10.) 17 Jan 2023 07:45:03
I would give Frank the bullet and get Big Sam in. Say what you want about him but he knows how to keep teams up might not be pretty but who cares ?♀️.
{Ed025's Note - swap Dyche for sam and i would agree with you mate..
11.) 17 Jan 2023 11:09:19
I said last season that Everton wouldn't go down but I'm less confident this season.
What's worrying is being in their position, going one nil up at home against another team at the bottom and losing. You take the lead and the three points whichever way you can.
They've lost goals in Richarlison and Calvert Lewin doesn't look the same player.
Confidence is huge when you're in the relegation places and they need to find some soon.
{Ed025's Note - confidence is at an all time low rigsby and only a win or a creditable draw will change that mate. Losing is just as much of a habit as winning and to be honest I can’t see where our next win is coming from..
12.) 17 Jan 2023 11:31:41
Ed25, I think you'll stay up only just. However, the club is where it is cos it has learned literally NOTHING from all the past experiences of struggling to stay up. They are the poster boy of the adage that, "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it". I bet you if you guys stayed up this season, the club would have learned nothing and would be in the same situation they are this season, next season. This is what they need to change.
Let's get it right, yeah? Everton are a big club with trophies to prove it and have more league titles than the Johnny Come Lately/ Lottery winners City and Newcastle. But you're not THAT team anymore. You are who you are now and you got to humble yourselves and accept that in order to actually grow and improve. Even we had to do it when Klopp arrived and look at how we grew. Just my take.
{Ed025's Note - yeah oli but that’s easier said than done mate. We are a shit show from top to bottom and I certainly have no faith that this board players and manager can change that..
15 Jan 2023 09:48:06
After the emotions have settled, do people really want Klopp out? He has to face the facts the new tactics are not working, I agree. But this man rebuilt this club, if he pererevers and doesn’t change things for the remainder of the season, starts next season the same and remains stubborn then fine, maybe it’s time to move on. BUT to say he needs to go now is an embarrassment.
Man City have gained ONE more point than us in last 10 games. There second… people
need to settle down. Klopp has done more for LFC than anyone in the last 2 decades. He deserves time and the fans need reminded what YNWA means in these hard times.
1.) 15 Jan 2023 09:58:33
Well said, mate.
2.) 15 Jan 2023 10:02:31
Klopp won't be going anywhere unless it's his own decision.
3.) 15 Jan 2023 10:24:32
No.
I don't know how we have declined so much and so quickly. There are a lot of theories why but Klopp knows about it and he's the man to put it right.
4.) 15 Jan 2023 10:27:56
Lijnders needs to go.
5.) 15 Jan 2023 10:33:56
I for one don’t want Klopp out. For me he’s perfect for the job. I do want to see him change tactics though and if he doesn’t that could be his down fall.
6.) 15 Jan 2023 10:05:27
Wish I could like the op. A little bit more of a logical perspective like this from a lot more people wouldn’t go amiss. Great post.
7.) 15 Jan 2023 10:06:33
Absolutely no way should anyone be calling for Klopp to go. People who are have very short memories. I really do hope we get a midfielder in this month and hopefully yesterday’s performance gets us that.
If money is too tight and we only have nominal funds then we should be pursuing Rabiot on a reduced fee for this month, as others don’t seem obtainable. Juve are in a dire state this season and they do seem willing to sell. He is apparently also a Liverpool fan.
8.) 15 Jan 2023 10:42:19
Certainly not. He at least deserves the whole of next season to see how we go and before we sharpen the knives.
My opinion is that the midfield especially has “ got away with it” over the last few seasons and it has been exposed this season, but more because our forward line has changed massively and still a bit of work in progress and our defence isn’t working as well as it normally does. These issues have put more pressure on our dodgy midfield and have basically been exposed. I’ve never thought our midfield was “ quality” anyway, just industrious but when you had Mane and Salah in top form and a tight defence we didn’t need much more. Now tho, with all the other slight issues it looks horrible. New bodies required indeed.
9.) 15 Jan 2023 10:43:05
To be fair to the management team, it was the slowing down of the original ‘gegenpress’ that reaped so much reward post Summer 2019 though?
To me, I think that the difference is the ability of the players to react to changes in tempo from the opponents.
We look one-paced now, whereas in the (recent) past we could move up and down the gears as the match demanded.
Part of this is injuries, perhaps some may be jaded mentally, a loss of confidence definitely and plain old wear and tear.
Of course, I agree that the tactics do look very passive this season.
The best approach was always that happy half-way house, press when required but play sensibly and with maturity.
It’s the first part of that equation which is lacking, whether by design, fault or an inability.
10.) 15 Jan 2023 10:52:14
I don’t think anyone wants Klopp out. They want him to fix what is happening. Bar the City game, we’ve been out-everythinged by the opposition. That suggests the players can’t or won’t. Not a cool place to be in for any manager or coach.
I felt Dubai camp was an ideal time to bring in a new voice/ personality into the coaching team. But I appreciate that’s even more difficult than buying a player when Klopp is so close to his guy Pepijn.
11.) 15 Jan 2023 10:53:53
I think the issues are at least partly tactical and not just down to not having a new midfielder.
But we're talking half a season so far in 7 years. Of course I don't want Klopp sacked over it. Anyone who does needs to stop eating strange mushrooms they find growing in the wild.
12.) 15 Jan 2023 11:11:37
That's a good point, Juicer.
We benefitted from toning down the gegenpress. The season we won the League we were more reserved with our press and I think that helped us maintain our levels for longer.
We were a bit boring at times but we got results. The defence was tight and our front three could always get us goals.
13.) 15 Jan 2023 12:03:50
Klopp is going nowhere except he does so on his own.
14.) 15 Jan 2023 12:23:37
Can i point out pep and man city having a mini melt down do you think they will be screaming for his head if it carries on a few more games lost . I don't and i don't think JURGEN KLOPP SHOULD GO this club this city the fans these owners need Jurgen Klopp to be here running this team for a long time to come . One last thing Jurgen put your glasses back on bring back your and our luck.
15.) 15 Jan 2023 12:26:00
I don’t want Klopp to leave at all. He’s the best thing to happen to the club for as long as I can remember. But don’t tell fans to settle down, particularly comparing us to Man City. They’re not in their richest vein of form but they’re vastly better than us. We need to focus on ourselves as we’re an embarrassment at the moment.
16.) 15 Jan 2023 18:54:09
Albeydered, different context. IMO, Pep’s team are severely underperforming right now, mind you based in their recent standards BUT I agree with you that they would never go after him cos we’ll, where are they going to go? He’s literally bigger than the club and can make a litany of mistakes and still get the backing and financial muscle to go again. Pep has a job there regardless. He simply cannot fail even if he tried his hardest to do so.
13 Jan 2023 18:47:21
The so called Fans on here remind me of the Rodger’s days. Remember when he blew 70 million on all the crap he signed. Yet the fans were loving it until they actually saw them play!
Klopp has built this team from the utter garbage Rodger’s built, we are dining at the top table and to stay there we need TOP players not just ANY.
Klopp has let pep get to much influence this season and hopefully makes it right. We will get some new additions, IF they are the right ones. We’re no longer buying just anything these days.
Patience is a virtue.
1.) 13 Jan 2023 19:08:29
Remember under Rodgers when FSG had Ian Ayre tell us the reason we couldn’t sign Sanchez was because his wife wanted to live in london. Alexis was single at the time ? over a decade of excuses.
{Ed001's Note - FSG did that? That is news to me. You really are ridiculous now. It is embarrassing the lies you make up to blame FSG for everything. No doubt they told Putin to invade the Ukraine as well right? Ayre was an inept failure who made a mess of transfer after transfer and then made excuse after excuse for his failings. That was nothing to do with FSG, other than the mistake of appointing an incompetent to the role.}
2.) 13 Jan 2023 19:27:57
Alright Kloppofthedeen mate that's uncannot I did have ps Patience is a virtue at the end of my post above but deleted it as probably most had lost their patience in reading my rant but great to see I'm not the only auld fan that see's what we have achieved in such a short and fantastic period.
3.) 13 Jan 2023 19:42:12
John W. Henry was behind the grassy knoll in Dallas. True story.
Actually Ed, didn't they inherit Ayre? Thought he was a Hicks appointment.
{Ed001's Note - good point. I had not even thought of that to be honest.}
4.) 13 Jan 2023 19:42:33
Uncannot bloody predictive text ?.
5.) 13 Jan 2023 19:46:41
Does OneKiss live in an alternate reality?
Getting awful Walter Mitty of late.
6.) 13 Jan 2023 22:17:19
Maybe he wasn’t told to say it but i don’t get why he’d blatantly lie about why the player turned us down. Fekir and his knee too he said a knee issue was never mentioned to him during them medical. Said himself they just went looking for an excuse not to sign him. The no Champions League excuse would be perfect for them to not spend in the summer.
{Ed001's Note - because Ayre was a cretin. And Fekir said his agent was the issue, no idea where you got the nonsense about looking for an excuse from.}
7.) 13 Jan 2023 22:47:17
Nae worries not so zippy! I know what u mean though all the success seems to be forgotten! What did we win under Rodger’s when he went mad with money….
8.) 13 Jan 2023 23:28:39
Had Ayre not left the club long before we tried to sign Fekir?
9.) 14 Jan 2023 00:03:18
I remember reading an interview with a club staff member shortly after the Fekir fiasco. Apparently Fekir was using his brother as his agent and when they turned up in Liverpool to sign the contract the brother started demanding that they renegotiate the contract or there would be no signing. All the Liverpool staff concerned with the transfer unanimously agreed to pull the plug on the deal right there and then. All around the time Fekir was doing his famous photo shoot with the red shirt on.
FSG would have paid for the flights to Liverpool for Fekir and his family/ entourage. All first class too, not cheap.
They ain't going to splash out on that just to kid fans on they're signing the player then back out at the last minute.
Only someone trying to push their own skewed agenda would buy into that.
10.) 14 Jan 2023 02:09:19
According to wikipedia: In March 2016, Liverpool announced Ayre would step down as CEO at the end of May 2017, when his current contract expired.
According to liverpool. com: Remember the summer of 2018/ 19? Constantly updating James Pearce’s Twitter feed. Hourly updates. The content mill pushing into overdrive. Will he, won’t he? It was the transfer that was, then never was: Nabil Fekir to Liverpool.
So Ayre had left before that happened.
According to liverpooloffside. sbnation. com who were discussing what fekir's agent had said: “Nabil was Liverpool’s priority, ” the agent said. “I worked for four months with the Liverpool representatives, with [Liverpool manager] Jurgen Klopp, [Lyon President] Jean-Michel Aulas, everything was ready.
“It was surreal. We thought that we were in a Walt Disney film. ”
”Nabil was already aware of his future contract, which would have seen him earn around €45m (£40m) over five years.
”And on the day that the contract was supposed to be signed, at Rambouillet, we saw a lawyer and Nabil’s brother-in-law arrive who said: ‘Stop everything, discussions have to start all over again. ’
Bernes did admit that Fekir’s history of knee injuries were a factor in discouraging the Reds from sealing the deal, but said that the shambolic nature of the final negotiations was the final straw:
”There were two elements, ” he continued, explaining why the transfer failed. “The player’s medical was negative and the second element was that when you want to sign for a big club like Liverpool, you need a certain attitude.
”When the Liverpool guys witnessed this cinema, they immediately—sometimes when a player has an injury, representatives can make an effort to make it work. ”
I am certainly not in the know, just a quick look on the internet. perhaps others have better info.
11.) 14 Jan 2023 03:07:50
Thats not what ed002 said about fekir deal though ed001.
12.) 14 Jan 2023 09:00:22
You will be shocked out of your wits the lies many of our own fans are willing to tell and the fantasies they spout about FSG on YouTube fan channels on social media, it’s to the point of being some kind of emotional dysfunction.
The debate has veered to the delusional extremes that if you say what FSG actually did right, their fangs come out. They literally believe the rubbish they spout like FSG not signing players, something the literally do NOT interfere with. This is the world we have to live in right now. Sad.
Kloppofthedeen's rumour replies
24 Nov 2022 12:27:48
Seems the take over maybe closer than expected then.
{Ed002's Note - No.}
Kloppofthedeen's banter replies
07 Feb 2023 14:22:38
There is no point in stripping titles, we all class City title wins as nonsense anyway, they could win 30 titles and will still be a small club, they are and always will be associated with fraud just like their plastic fans.
31 Jan 2023 12:47:18
Id assume the summer will bring in new bodies when the time is right. I personally think if they went back to what we did well and played with intensity we would be in a much healthier position than currently. let's see what the summer brings.
19 Jan 2023 21:52:53
Man City’s current team is not anywhere near the team they had in the past. They are needing another 1 billion for pep to be competitive again.
13 Jan 2023 22:47:17
Nae worries not so zippy! I know what u mean though all the success seems to be forgotten! What did we win under Rodger’s when he went mad with money….
12 Jan 2023 15:59:36
Yeah that would be my biggest fear as well that he quits, hopefully he knows that the tactics are the issue and changes it, another few years of Klopp is what we need but he needs to enjoy the job (like anyone to want to stay)