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04 May 2020 10:16:57
So John Cross reporting the teams in the bottom six are against resuming the PL in neutral venues. They would only be for it if there was no relegation. What exactly would be the point of resuming? I know what ever happens won't please everyone but to reward teams for failure wouldn't sit right with me. Then who's to say we don't get a second wave during the 20/ 21 season is relegation going to be of the table again?


1.) 04 May 2020 11:22:21
Premier League should schedule all matches at which ever stadium they see fit and if any team refuses to play it award 3 points to the opposition and 0 to the team refusing to play then tick off the games as completed.
If both teams refuse to play award both teams 0 points and tick off the game as being completed.
Pretty sure that the bottom 6 will not refuse to play then.
They may already have the above powers in the rules anyway.

2.) 04 May 2020 11:20:21
I think it is a complete disgrace by the bottom clubs to try to utilise the situation to keep themselves in the premier league. They are in the position they are in justly and if things do resume and it is an if all teams should have the same risk and reward as normal otherwise what is the point in the potential health risk?

Shocking behaviour from the clubs they should be named and shamed and their decision makers put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit and veg.

Ok seriously though very poor from those clubs and they should be ashamed of themselves. Another Karen Brady moment of yes let's use the situation to stop us getting relegated.

{Ed002's Note - Just to clarify this, the matter has not been discussed at PL level. There are two rtop six clubs objecting as well. Clearly it is pointless my trying to make the effort to explain the situation on this page as it just ends up with ignorant posts such as this.}

3.) 04 May 2020 13:58:39
Well I don't know what the issue is with the 2 top 6 teams, because firstly i don't know who they are but I can't be a pure coincidence that the bottom 6 clubs are all of the same thinking. Come on, nobody can sell sell this as nothing but self preservation. Which is fine and nothing more than I would expect. The money in the PL is massive for these teams.

{Ed002's Note - You see everything as some sort of conspiracy - the two at the top see the same problem with others toward the bottom - they do not want to lose home advantage.}

4.) 04 May 2020 15:03:26
Ed2 where did my hug post go, we are still mates.

5.) 04 May 2020 17:44:07
Home advantage is a weak argument during this situation. The main advantage is the fans getting behind the team, driving the team forward, even if games are played in there own stadiums, there will be no fans.

Prime example of home advantage recently ( from our pint of view ) is Liverpool needing 4 goals to beat Barcelona In order to progress to the final of the European Cup.

I’ve been to Palace away and it’s like a cauldron when they need to get behind the team, the place is rocking! Without the fans there would be no intimidation at Selhurst Park.

{Ed002's Note - That is not what a number of the teams think.}

6.) 04 May 2020 18:56:05
Agree completely with the OP.

7.) 05 May 2020 09:38:35
The home advantage will be more than just fans. facilities routine and also distance will be key. For home games I'd imagine players meet at the training ground and travel in together in some instances, that feeling can't be replicated at neutral venues.

{Ed001's Note - and familiarity with the ground helps. You would know the places where the lumps and bumps are on the pitch. You would be particularly used to distances and judging them quickly, which is a major advantage for passing the ball over longer distances.}

8.) 05 May 2020 10:14:51
That’s very true ed001, also was it stoke who used to narrow the pitch as much as possible, within the rules, to hem the opponents in? There’s plenty of unseen benefits to playing at home.

However I do think sacrifices will need to be made and can understand why the bottom 6 are unwilling as the consequences are huge. But I really don’t think we should continue if relegation is taken off the table as there is very little point.

{Ed001's Note - this is why the participants in a sport should never be the people to set up the rules it is played by or make the decisions. They have vested interests to protect of their own, rather than just doing what is best for the sport as a whole. This is why an independent body should run football, a difficult decision is needed and an independent body would do so.}

9.) 05 May 2020 10:41:19
That’s a very good point never considered it like that.

IF relegation is taken off the table and they want football to continue, I would draw a line as the table sits and break it into play offs for European places.

RelegatIon should only be ruled out if the league cannot continue.

10.) 05 May 2020 11:24:04
The Government advice is that; if neutral venues are used, it will be stadiums that are outside of city centres. This means places where the police can control any possible crowds coming to the stadium. Places Like the Olympic Stadium.

It is simply not going to happen that all stadiums are used, so somebody will have to accept a neutral venue any how.

That is, if the season is played out.

11.) 05 May 2020 18:14:24
I think that the best option IF we are to restart the Premier League, and the teams may go with this.

Only relegate two teams; Leeds and West Brom get promoted. This would mean that the two getting relegated could receive 50% more parachute payment as the Premier League are saving by not relegating a third team and therefore awarding 50% more to the teams that do go down, wouldn't cost a penny.

It would also mean that no playoffs need to be played, and thus reducing the number of matches that need to be played.

I know it doesn't suit absolutely everybody, but I'm sure that Norwich would take it just for the extra 50% as they're pretty much gone.

I also realise that it's a bit out there. Is there any possibility of something along this scenario being proposed, Ed002?

{Ed002's Note - The Premier League have not yet discussed how to end the season if the games cannot be paid but are aware of what other countries have done and what plans have been made by those who are looking to resume. There is nothing along these lines.}



24 Apr 2020 13:26:13
Talk of Liverpool been awarded the title without the season been completed. How true it is I don't know. But if we do get the title by that route i won't be celebrating. I'd rather it was made null and void.


1.) 24 Apr 2020 14:24:05
. Wish we had a thumbs down button on here!

2.) 24 Apr 2020 14:25:34
. wish we had a thumbs down button on here!

3.) 24 Apr 2020 14:40:08
Rudder, the players deserve it, they have worked their whole careers to win things and would of won it if the season was completed.

As fans we will all approach it differently if we are awarded it but in no Way is null and void a better option. Personally it’ll be quite humbling if the other 19 agree we deserve the title.

If you take us out the equation, SHU don’t deserve their fantastic season being for zero, same with the likes of Leicester and wolves. Null and void is literally the worst option imo.

4.) 24 Apr 2020 14:45:56
It won’t be the same as winning it in the usual manner but to prefer it to be null and void is a weird opinion to have.

5.) 24 Apr 2020 14:51:41
imagine a world where over 2 seasons we closed in on 200 points and didn't win a title.

6.) 24 Apr 2020 15:04:39
Sorry, but to say you’d rather it be null and void is a ridiculous statement! The players and manager have earned it! It would be criminal for them not to win it! Where have you heard about Liverpool being handed the title? Ed002 has been pretty clear that, that is unlikely to happen with the way the voting system works.

7.) 24 Apr 2020 14:45:57
It's your right not to agree but me personally I'd rather wait another 30yrs than have an asterisk beside a title win.

8.) 24 Apr 2020 15:32:09
No need to be handed the title as the season will be completed behind closed doors, the Germans are leading the way and the top European leagues will follow. Null and void by the way was the worst option available and i'm shocked that any Liverpool or real football fan for that matter would support it.

9.) 24 Apr 2020 15:46:12
might just be rudder not celebrating when the boys deservedly win the league then. and I mean by whatever way that's gona be!

10.) 24 Apr 2020 15:59:43
The entire sporting world will have a asterisk beside it.
Liverpool deserve to be crowned champions simply because they have earned it, they have beaten every club in the league and in my mind they are champions already.
I Personally hope the season can be finished simply for the integrity of the game, clubs need to be relegated on the pitch and teams who are having a incredible season like Sheffield utd don't deserve to be told that its all been for nothing.
I had a great deal of sympathy for the supporters of az alkmar who were joint top of the dutch league and now they have basically been told its all been for nothing.
The football landscape will be totally different in 30yrs time Rudder, so I would be very careful before making that claim.
This season will be remembered long after the others have faded from memory, so title 19, with a asterisk, interrupted by covid-19, but still showing Liverpool as champions, I have no problem with.

11.) 24 Apr 2020 16:39:33
This argument drives me mad. Saying we deserve the title is a matter of opinion not a matter of fact! It’s like saying after a game the striker deserved a goal for their performance. Doesn’t matter how good we’ve been ( and we have been unbelievable) if you don’t get over the line you don’t get over the line. The truth is we haven’t won the league yet. It’s insignificant how big or small the margin is. It exists so therefore we haven’t won the league. I get rudders point. You can already hear rival fans saying year but you didn’t win it properly. They’d be right. Let’s hope that the season is finished in some format. Then we can truly say we our deserved champions and opinions will have nothing to do with it.

12.) 24 Apr 2020 17:04:45
although it's a matter of opinion its the opinion of the majority. and I honestly couldn't care what other fans say, its a big boys game!

13.) 24 Apr 2020 17:11:36
Ed002 has explained we won’t be winning the league this year as it won’t be completed. Regardless of what people think we deserve. It won’t be voided but will be taken as it is now with no champions declared!

{Ed002's Note - That is not what I said at all.}

14.) 24 Apr 2020 17:55:40
Sorry Ed miss quoted, we won’t be handed the title if the season doesn’t get completed the only way that happens is Liverpool would need to appeal with all clubs either voting or not voting but one vote against and that’s it. This not likely as we won’t appeal. Or have I got that wrong? If the league ends now they will have some decisions to make on promotion and Europe but no champions announced?

15.) 25 Apr 2020 08:00:04
Always Tipsy I'd prefer it than been given the title without the season been completed. We will never hear the end of it been a tainted title. I hope you are right in saying the season will be played out.

16.) 25 Apr 2020 10:09:59
I will take the title this season and argue against any team that thinks anyone else could have caught us. We needed two more wins, one more if City lost just one more game. We drew one game against United and lost one game to Watford all season. We have won every other game we played. Yeah, if we win this season it will always have an asterisk next to it. That just means we go on to win the season again next year, being as dominant as we were this year.

17.) 25 Apr 2020 10:22:40
finally a season where the knee jerkers are proved right for going nuclear at every dropped point. If only Klopp didn't choke it against ManU and Watford. #sarcasm.

18.) 25 Apr 2020 16:02:41
Rival fans are saying we shouldn't be awarded the title because we haven't put it beyond mathematical doubt.

If that's the case, Liverpool should be the only team in the Champions League next season as we're the only team to have mathematically already qualified.

19.) 25 Apr 2020 16:10:47
Big boys know you don’t get a medal until you’ve crossed the line.

20.) 25 Apr 2020 16:26:32
It will feel a bit hollow but I think the reality is no one was going to catch us. I would have preferred a standard resolution across all European leagues.

21.) 25 Apr 2020 23:07:29
Wouldn't feel hollow or incomplete to me in the slightest. We are the best by a country mile this year, we would have smashed the highest points tally ever. i'll celebrate it as normal.

22.) 26 Apr 2020 08:19:59
League will be completed either by games played or some other feature
But to say Liverpool don’t deserve the title and you claim to be a Liverpool fan and would rather wait another 30 years seems very odd.

23.) 26 Apr 2020 08:51:45
You seem quite confident Johncrow mate, I do hope your right but there are now plenty including myself who think it won’t be done mate after what has been explained by Ed’s.

24.) 26 Apr 2020 09:09:48
Maybe there should be a duckworth and Lewis used here like they do in cricket
Games are not null and void but criteria then used to determine the winner
Null and void is what the teams who have failed to achieve and who will probably go down will want
It makes little sense to start a new season before you finish the last one
But above all safety and lives must come first.

{Ed002's Note - Nobody has suggested "null and void" as an option.}

25.) 26 Apr 2020 09:55:54
I thought Karen Brady had sorry Ed my mistake.

{Ed002's Note - No, she used the term "void" at the start it was not what she was referring to. Nobody has suggested to the PL that the season should made void - although some Liverpool supporters here seem to be suggesting it, the option is not on the table and has not been discussed - and it is certainly not the position that West Ham have put forward.}

26.) 26 Apr 2020 18:40:34
They've ended the season in Holland, and probably soon in Belgium. But they don't have massive viewing figures.

The English Premier League has a massive global following and that makes a huge difference. I know it's all money talk, but if it can be completed, by any possibility available, it will be completed.

27.) 27 Apr 2020 14:40:54
Redman84, what a ridiculous comparison, a striker who deserved to score but didn't had 90mins to prove it. We have not had our 90mins yet and that is the point, we are 10-1 up with 10 minutes to go, we deserve to win. The manager, staff and team deserve to win it, I don't think anyone can argue with that.



25 Mar 2020 23:05:09
Why have Liverpool and other Premier League teams lodged papers with the CAS in relation to Man City? What is it going to achieve?


1.) 26 Mar 2020 11:13:19
What have they exactly lodged, I don't understand what they are trying to do.

I would like to hope it's in support, but maybe the thought of being awarded a title for finishing runners up is too much to pass up.

I, as a fan, would not like this, retrospective titles are not for the fans, which is what football should all be about.

If city have cheated they should be punished by the regulatory authorities and not have clubs throwing their two cents in.

And let's face it, we have not exactly been squeaky clean recently have we, and didn't city actually help us out by not taking the matter any further.

Sometimes I do wonder what the idiots running this club are thinking!

2.) 26 Mar 2020 11:41:29
Must be idiots running a lot of clubs so Andy, if the stories of it being 8 of the top 10 teams are true.

3.) 26 Mar 2020 17:05:48
I think all they did was get together as a group and convey that they would object to City trying to get a "stay" of punishment while their case is heard, at least that's the way I read it.

4.) 26 Mar 2020 19:08:23
Expanding on taa001's comment, I believe they are specifically objecting to Man City competing in the 2020/ 21 Champions League if their appeal hasn't yet been heard and ruled on.

The only teams in the top 10 not objecting to this are City themselves (obvs! ) and Sheffield United, which is very gracious of them as they may benefit from City being barred.

5.) 27 Mar 2020 23:28:42
I know it's not liverpool but if the champions league gets cancelled next season due to the corona virus what will happen to citys ban (if it goes ahead) it's not thier fault there is no CL would the ban be two years regardless or two tournament's?

{Ed002's Note - They are appealing the ban and bans on tournaments are based in the next two seasons they qualify.




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11 Jul 2020 10:14:26
So now the league is won we look to next season which will be tougher. Man City will no doubt spend huge money after being cleared. Chelsea look to have bought well and if they off load Kepa and get in an Allison type they will be up there. Then we have United on a good run lately and if they carry it into next season will be in and around the top 4. I'm going for a 4 horse race of Liverpool, City, Chelsea and United.


1.) 11 Jul 2020 11:45:32
So, Rudder, you either expect both Man Utd and Chelsea to get 90+ points next season, or for Liverpool to have a significant downturn in form. Both are possible, but unlikely.
Chelsea are still are very inconsistent team with a poor defence. As for offloading Kepa, he remains the most expensive goalkeeping purchase of all time, and that purchase took place less than two years ago. Factoring in what a club would reasonably pay for him in the current state of things, I’d say it’s very unlikely he’ll be going anywhere this summer.
As for United, they unquestionably have improved throughout the course of the season, but most judgments about them have been made since the restart as they’ve been pummeling The Dog and Duck pub on a weekly basis. Don’t be so sure that either of those sides can challenge the consistency of Liverpool and City, yet.

2.) 11 Jul 2020 12:01:39
I'm not sure. We've lost what? 3 league games in 2 seasons. And city are different class in attack. Although Chelsea and utd have made good signings and have decent form atm, I still think they are not in ours and city's class.

3.) 11 Jul 2020 12:45:32
Chelsea and Utd have improved, or will improve, significantly. They will win most games as should Liverpool and City. The telling factor could be the reults between these four teams. I don't see any side picking up as many points as Liverpool and City have done the past two seasons.

4.) 11 Jul 2020 13:02:28
Liverpool closed a 25pt gap to Man City last season to 1pt. Who would of thought that was possible? Liverpool can't afford to get complacent along with us fans.

5.) 11 Jul 2020 13:18:19
The fans may get carried away, rudder mate, but I don't think the lads will. They're a team of men and not boys. They are mentally strong, perhaps their best trait. Defeat seems to spur us on, and victory seems to do so to! I predict a really big season next year. It is totally possible that we win the quadruple. But I think the league will be tighter.



17 Jun 2020 18:59:38
The PL is definitely back not a full half played
in the first game and controversy already.


1.) 17 Jun 2020 19:06:37
The linesman should have seen that ball was over the line.

2.) 17 Jun 2020 19:21:33
Technology that was supposedly infallible wasn’t it?

Could keep villa up and Sheffield United out of Europe.

3.) 17 Jun 2020 20:28:41
The technology’s first mistake since it’s induction in the PL, I think someone forgot to plug it in!

Even the technology knew that the first game back was destined to be 0-0.

4.) 17 Jun 2020 21:01:16
You couldn’t make this stuff up could you!
It’s like no one has the balls to actually stop and question what happened, ref, linesman, var they could stop the game and check it’s so clearly went over the line.

5.) 17 Jun 2020 21:52:00
It’s a disgrace to be honest. If it was a Big club there would’ve been uproar about that.

6.) 17 Jun 2020 22:01:55
Hang on a minute. I did not watch the game BUT how in did VAR not check this?

7.) 17 Jun 2020 22:19:47
I may be wrong and perhaps one of the Ed’s could correct me but I don’t think VAR are allowed to intervene.

My understanding is due to the way the officials are instructed they can’t overrule the technology on the pitch and it isn’t something VAR can look at either. So it it fails your screwed.

{Ed002's Note - There is a signal to the officials to check the monitor. That was not sent.}

8.) 17 Jun 2020 22:32:39
Back to the football back to the poor officiating.

9.) 17 Jun 2020 23:12:37
The ball was so far over the line even Arsene Wenger saw it.

10.) 17 Jun 2020 23:20:02
Question to the Eds: Do you think the person operating the technology should have taken a trip to Barnard Castle?

{Ed002's Note - You mean The Dom - leader of the Roundheads. Someone once shouted at David Hasseloff, ”Hasselhoff, you are nothing without your talking car” - Just like Bojo and The Dom.}

11.) 17 Jun 2020 23:53:30
Sheff Utd robbed guess the EPL want a diff Utd in the champs league spot! Disgraceful decision goal all day everyday! Could be absolutely massive come the end of the season.



05 Jun 2020 11:25:18
A lot of people losing their heads because we lost out on a player. If it's true we have lost out on players before and will do so in future. Some of the abuse I've read on line directed at FSG, the Club and Klopp is disgusting and unwarranted.


1.) 05 Jun 2020 13:11:38
If we haven’t bid have we really lost out in a player?

2.) 05 Jun 2020 14:29:33
That's why I said "if true"

3.) 05 Jun 2020 18:00:37
I know mate, you’re right in what you said though, I seen/ heard loads of ‘can’t believe we’ve missed out/ lost out to Chelsea’.



06 May 2020 11:11:00
So the EFL Chairman is now saying that teams in the Championship will take legal action if promotion is denied. He States " it would be a breach of the tri-partite agreement between us, the premier league and the Football Association.

I suspect the FA would have a position on it as well. It would get very messy because our expectation is that there will be three of our clubs promoted from the Championship. We expect three clubs to be promoted".

Is it it possible to stop the restart of this season and the start of next season with injunctions for example?


1.) 06 May 2020 14:03:28
The powers that be will surely do everything they can to avoid a situation where next season starts with injunctions or other legal action hanging over it.

Personally I expect that, if this season doesn't restart, as is likely, the Premier League and Football League will eventually agree that two teams be promoted, with no relegation from the PL this season, resulting in a 22 team PL. Which will be whittled back to 20 with extra relegation.

*Waits for Ed002 to come in and slap me for not knowing what I'm on about*.

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure what an injunction could be raised in respect of. I am also not aware of a situation where promotion may be denied but as the Premier League have yet to discuss and agree what happens if the season cannot be completed, whatever he has said is at this point no more than a distraction. At the moment, the situation is that Friday's meeting has been shifted to Monday and there is now a push to have the clubs vote on the proposal to play behind closed doors - the vote having previously been avoided as it was thought it would be rejected. A number of other issues are now coming to the fore which could also foul things up.}

2.) 06 May 2020 15:24:13
And does every club need to vote in for it to be played behind closed doors then Ed, or just a majority vote?

{Ed002's Note - It needs 70% to vote "Yes" (14 out of 20).}

3.) 06 May 2020 16:29:02
You have to look a few steps ahead with this 'neutral ground' debate.

Surely those clubs objecting in the vote have knowledge of where that would lead - possibly curtailed league, no promotion, everything as it stands.
Let's face it, this is where self-interest will now become more obvious.

They wouldn't go in to it blind if there was risk of an adverse affect on them.

{Ed002's Note - The vote, when it happens, is unrelated to promotion and relegation. It is a proposal to try to end the season using neutral venues - be they the easier to police venues or The FA preferred venues, or a mixture of both. If you consider the number clubs who are against using neutral venues a straight vote would right now fail - so some clubs will have to shift position. Two of the top six are gainst using neutral venues, one will certainly shift position and the other may do. Then there are the clubs who may not be concerned either way, some of which want a real end in sight who might shift position just to get a line drawn across - then there are those who may think, we will go with it for now but if the dates slip we want another vote - and that might cause an issue - as the dates are placeholders that may well slip. Then there are the players, whos views were to be considered - but that has seemingly slipped away a little right now - if they are polled after the vote it will be ignored. Certainly some English sides have already spoken with their players. In Spain the players of one side are already questioning (as a group) the decision to try and return.}

4.) 06 May 2020 17:18:58
Ok and I’m guessing there are at least 6 clubs who are against the idea. The bottom 4 and 2 from the top 6.

{Ed002's Note - More than that but positions will shift.}

5.) 06 May 2020 18:15:03
If the country goes back to work and the lockdown is relaxed, and then some PL clubs refuse to play, there will be hell on.
People have paid a huge amount of money at the gate and on tv, and invested emotionally, so it is football’s duty to do everything to get this going again.
And, at present, it seems as if much of their efforts are aimed at denying that.

{Ed002's Note - No, it is the duty of football to refuse to play until it is safe for the 300-500 people at each game are safe - regardless of you and your idiot friends bringing "hell on".}

6.) 06 May 2020 18:36:35
I’m in absolute agreement with you Ed.
And if the safer option is neutral grounds, then all this bleating about losing home advantage is just way off the mark.

7.) 06 May 2020 18:56:23
@The Juicer,

No-one wants to be the person to give it the go ahead. Would you want the responsibility?

What if a player dies? Like, actually dies? Would you want that on your head?

Yes they're normal people but they are also assets to clubs worth tens of millions, and have families, relatives, people who rely on their income.

It's not as simple as you may think. I'd love to sit down and watch some live football, but that's just myself being selfish. There is so much at stake here.

8.) 06 May 2020 19:28:41
Yeah, so much more important than an NHS worker because they aren't worth tens of millions and have no families at all 🙄
Reality is that there is no easy solution to football or ordinary workforce staff. Eventually we all have to get back to some sort of normality, whatever that looks like. The virus will still be here and we can only hope that we all do our best to prevent fatalities be that a footballer or another NHS worker.

9.) 07 May 2020 08:34:02
With this in mind then Ed do you see a it starting again behind closed doors? Seems to many issues stacked against it imo with time running out.

{Ed002's Note - The situation remains difficult.}



01 May 2020 17:06:58
So nothing new after todays Premier League meeting?


1.) 01 May 2020 19:11:48
Yeah, norwich have been awarded the premier title based on yellow being a really popular colour.

2.) 01 May 2020 20:40:33
Wolves must be gutted. So close but not quite yellow.




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27 May 2020 22:49:31
I read the same. Something to do with the release clause. We will just have to wait and see.




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25 Apr 2020 08:00:04
Always Tipsy I'd prefer it than been given the title without the season been completed. We will never hear the end of it been a tainted title. I hope you are right in saying the season will be played out.




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24 Apr 2020 14:45:57
It's your right not to agree but me personally I'd rather wait another 30yrs than have an asterisk beside a title win.




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29 Jul 2018 11:46:47
Look a Ed01's review about Fabinho. If I remember correctly he spoke about his speed. That he is deceptively fast and glides along the ground or words to that effect.




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18 Jul 2018 03:14:21
Its not happening. Another false dawn.





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11 Jul 2020 13:02:28
Liverpool closed a 25pt gap to Man City last season to 1pt. Who would of thought that was possible? Liverpool can't afford to get complacent along with us fans.




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05 Jun 2020 14:29:33
That's why I said "if true"




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04 Apr 2020 21:25:43
Just signed a petition there weather it will make any difference to our clubs stance I don't know. My background is in finance and we are heading for a recession like no other seen in anyone's living memory. That money should stay in government coffers.




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31 Mar 2020 11:23:38
I'd take it with a pinch of salt. They reported it was going to be null and void. I'll wait until Friday I think it is to get any updates straight from the horses mouth.




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06 Mar 2020 16:22:30
Was it not his cousin?