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13 May 2017 17:05:15
Hi Eds,
Seeing post from brazilian news outlets that Gremio has accepted an official bid from Liverpool for around £23m which was handed to Gremio on May 6th and there president has just accepted? Any truth to this?

alexdavies1993

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea and it would be a lot to pay for part of the palyer.}


1.) 14 May 2017 11:13:20
It does seem to be too much of a hassle too sort a deal out with his ownership issues.

What does the club have to do to sort it out the right way? Do they have to buy out the third party first or how does it work?

Cheers,

{Ed002's Note - You need to find someone to negotiate the purchase of the remaining rights from the third parties and his agent.}


2.) 14 May 2017 11:37:29
Does that include Gremio in this case, buying him out from the third party before being able too sort out a deal with us?

{Ed002's Note - I don't understand the question, sorry.}


3.) 14 May 2017 16:17:40
Ed I know you will probably scoff at this question, but please excuse my ignorance - please take into consideration this is completely hypothetical.
Say the player is owned 70-30 by club and third party. Someone buys the 70 off the club. As they own the majority, can he legally play for them, or do they have to buy the 30 too? I guess as third party is not allowed here, yes, but what happens if you pay say 20 for the 70 and the third party owners won't negotiate?

{Ed002's Note - The question is fine. If a player is owned 70 by a club and 30 percent by third parties he can only play for a new club in countries where third party ownership is allowed. If he were to look to a move to one of the countries where third party ownership is not permitted, then he could not be registered to play for the new club. If the third party owners were not open to negotiating a price for the rights they own, then again the player could not make the move to a country like England.

FIFA have outlawed third party ownership although legally they are on questionable ground in Europe with courts refusing to ratify the rules in Belgium and Portugal. Portugal allows third party ownership as do the South American countries.

It means clubs need to negotiate with third parties (often agents, businessmen or sports investment companies for the transfer of players. The likes of Kia Joorabchian, Pini Zahavi and Jorge Mendes (vis his company GestiFute) all dabble in third party ownership. Some European clubs have third party stakes in South American players - Chelsea for example.

There is also a slightly sinister and unusual issue (and something that the football authorities would like to end) in relation to a low-tier Uruguayan club. It is embroiled in an investment company called the Stellar Group who financially control Deportivo Maldonado, a Uruguayan side with no real facilities and a small fan base. They legally hold (or have held) the rights to a number of players who are high profile (Jonathan Calleri, Alex Sandro and Pablo Osvaldo all come to mind) and were "purchased" and then sold on at a significant profit to the London-based investment company and the agent who deals with most of these players, Gustavo Arribas, who is also the Director General of the Argentinian Intelligence Agency. Manchester City would liked to have purchased Geronimo Rulli outright but only 70% of his rights were for sale he could not therefore play in England. To overcome this, Manchester City have sold their portion of his ownership and Deportivo Maldonado have sold part of their portion of his ownership (in reality Stellar's and Arribas' portion) to Real Sociedad and then agreed to sell the remaining 30% over a three year period to Real Sociedad to overcome Spanish rules regarding part ownership. Manchester City for their part in facilitating this has and agreement that they can buy the goalkeeper for something like €15m once he is fully owned by Real Sociedad (or for a cost of €15M plus a negoiated fee for the remaining rights). As with any buy back clause, they would need to any higher offer made by another side in the future. Rulli would not be eligible for a UK work permit but I understand that he will seek a European passport. That would be seen by the UK as a passport of convenience and would not help him. The player knew that if he moved to Manchester City he would have to be loaned out and eventually probably sold. Like Calleri, none of this is illegal but perhaps it should be - it is well beyond the third party ownership that is rife in South America. Deportivo Maldonado is a effectively a shell for Stellar and Arribas to exploit Uruguayan tax laws.}


4.) 14 May 2017 17:02:43
Now that's an answer, thanks ed!
I presume that company no longer hold calleri's rights as he played today?

{Ed002's Note - Calleri is on loan from Deportivo Maldonado - the ownership of which is largely London-based.}


 

 

10 Feb 2017 09:36:36
Hi Eds, is there anything in the reports saying we also want Damarai Gray of Leicester in the summer? He looked good for Leicester the other night, maybe one for the future!

alexdavies1993

{Ed002's Note - I don't know of any approach and if Liverpool would see Damarai Gray as "one for the future" then why would he move?}


1.) 10 Feb 2017 13:48:05
We looked at him in the past I guess and decided not to move for him. He is playing regularly at Leicester. I would rather buy one top class experienced than another Potential.


 

 

24 Jan 2017 10:48:39
Hi Eds, seen a few stories in the papers and some twitter people about us being in talks with Sporting for William Carvalho, doubtful but is there any truth to this?

alexdavies1993

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any talks about Carvalho. The only talks with his club I am aware of was over another matter.}


1.) 24 Jan 2017 17:16:20
To do with Markovic ed?

{Ed002's Note - Yes.}


 

 

13 May 2016 09:33:46
Eds, have you heard of anny update on the Gotze situation? The internet blew up a little last night when Tony Barrett said we were in on going talks with his representatives, any truth to this?

Thanks!

alexdavies1993

{Ed002's Note - I have explained the situation. I am not sure the benefit of "on going talks with his representatives" but if Liverpool want Goetze they need to put an offer to Bayern Munich who are keen to move him on.}


1.) 13 May 2016 11:14:03
If one of coutinho, lallana or firmino is not leaving i don't see the need for gotze. Unless the game plan is to throw a load of numer 10s on the pitch and hope it works.


2.) 13 May 2016 11:41:11
Im sure lallana will be off to spuds to pay for the goetze deal. Lallana has been great but goetze is an improvement and younger. if he works out could even increase in value unlike lallane.


3.) 13 May 2016 12:13:56
Imo Lallana won't go to Spuds or anywere else and I think Klopp sees him as an integral part of his plans and first to press the opposition.

If were moving on the likes of Benteke, Ibe, Abd possibly others then Goetze would make sense.

I doubt the talks are ongoing though and like Ed has said if we are interested we no what we need to do.


4.) 13 May 2016 12:46:36
If we win on Wednesday then we'll be in the Champions League - meaning that there will need to be a lot of rotation.

Adding Goetze to the squad just means that we'll have better options the game before/ after a big champions league tie or better options from the bench surely?

Four doesn't go into three in a single game but certainly does over the course of a season.


5.) 13 May 2016 18:01:38
Mick If we win Wednesday we will have less games next season as we won't have to qualify for any European compition.
Considering Klopp has made 50 games quicker than any other Liverpool manager he should be used to the busy schedule now. Also I doubt Goetze would be happy sitting on the bench either.


6.) 14 May 2016 07:06:27
All of our current "number 10's" are versatile and can be used effectively as wingers.
We have very little depth to the side and even if we bring in 2 new wingers we don't have any quality replacements should we pick up injuries.


 

 

 

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22 Aug 2017 11:23:30
Looks like Coutinho has started back tracking on earlier actions and comments, his entourage in a Brazilian paper (Estadão) are saying that it was all essentially Barcelona telling him what to do, they say he was manipulated by Barcelona to threaten to never play for the club again to help force the move he wanted (Same as Dembele), but that he never really had the will to never play for LFC again. They say that in principle he will stay and play for LFC but most likely after international break.

What does everyone think, i personally think we should just move on from it, we need Phils creativity if we are to achieve anything this season, this sort of thing happens in football.

alexdavies1993

1.) 22 Aug 2017 12:19:35
I think we should give him a bit of stick next time he plays just to reiterate how pxssed we are then move on and give him a big kiss when he scores a top corner screamer against the mancs and toffs.


2.) 22 Aug 2017 12:20:13
It was also be his agent looking for a HUUUUGGEEEE payday. I think it was ed2 (correct me if i’m wrong) who said Coutinho doesn't look like the type of player who would do what he has done and that he had been pressured even into signing his new contract (because again the Agent gets a nice pay check from it)
Coutinho will be back in the side quite quickly and hopefully will play his heart out.
He needs to sack that agent of his though!

The family thing, not sure if that would be the agent again telling them what to say to help force a move.

Either way Coutinho is the one who looks like the bad guy and a lot of fans will be pretty pissed off at him for a while, but many more will support him still as soon as he steps onto the pitch. Could be a while for his form to return depending on how badly a certain section of fans chant/ boo at him.


3.) 22 Aug 2017 12:20:59
Just move on.


4.) 22 Aug 2017 12:26:09
Interesting that.
Reflects the stuff coming out of Dortmund.


5.) 22 Aug 2017 12:34:58
dirty tricks from Barcelona thinking they can do what they like if what is said is true could we put a complaint in to fifa along with Dortmund I know we can't hold are heads up to high with our antics but that seems just as bad to me don't think we have been telling players of other clubs what to do to try and force moves.


6.) 22 Aug 2017 12:41:21
Kia Joorabchian looks like a grubby see-you-en-tee.


7.) 22 Aug 2017 12:46:26
He's not an angel as clearly wanted the move, but a lot of the rubbish in the press is I'm sure just noise and rubbish or coming from parties other than Coutinho himself. It comes down to what he actually said behind closed doors, and if Klopp is happy for him to stay then so am I.

So long as he knuckles down and respects the shirt then move on.


8.) 22 Aug 2017 12:50:13
I think he should never wear a Liverpool shirt again.


9.) 22 Aug 2017 13:12:05
Redtel, you don't cut your nose to spite your face as that makes no sense. We need him and we all know it and so does Klopp. Suarez did way worse and we took him back so let's just put some perspective on here.

As for Cou, he has been w/ us for 4 years and we know the boy very well. Anyone paying attention should have known that he was not the one putting out all the fake news coming out of his camp that the "family member" (cough agent cough) about him not liking Klopp and the other trash.

I knew it was bullocks the minute I heard the "Cou is upset with Klopp cos Klopp substitutes him too much". What do you expect from an agent named Kia Joorabchian? Like Aidy Ward, a true piece of work.

Now, did he put in the TR and orchestrate the whole thing from jump? Yes and he should own that part and take responsibility for that. However, we all know who he is and he does not have the spine to do all the crap we are seeing. Now, his team is back tracking cos Cou is going nowhere. Not surprised.


10.) 22 Aug 2017 13:27:32
You shouldn't cut your nose off to spite your face. And is booing him going to help? No. Not at all. Neither is burning shirts and daubing graffiti. But by the same token, he shouldn't be able to walk straight into the first team picture.


11.) 22 Aug 2017 13:29:06
The TR was sent by email, who’s to say the agent doesn't have access/ control over the account?


12.) 22 Aug 2017 13:40:46
Dennis he's our best player, why shouldn't he be able to walk into the, "first team picture"? What should we do with him? Play him in the U23s?


13.) 22 Aug 2017 13:51:43
Because he should be sold Jeme, that's why.


14.) 22 Aug 2017 13:47:40
Theres so many different versions of different stories going around regarding the non-transfer, who knows what really happened. Just treat him like any other player and cheer when his name is read out and celebrate when he scores. he's playing in a red shirt this season so let's remind him how close he came to walking out on the best supporters in the world. Personally, i can't wait to watch him in a Liverpool shirt again regardless of what has, or hasn't, occured this summer.


15.) 22 Aug 2017 14:02:59
One question for all the couts haters. do you love Stevie g.
He put in a transfer request because he wanted to move to Chelsea. after we had just won the CL. we moved on, he then went on to be what he is. a LFC legend.

I'm disappointed PC but we move on, and support him. because him and lallana, behind our front 3 is a potential championship winning combo.


16.) 22 Aug 2017 16:18:14
So yet again quotes that aren't direct from the player and are from people who don't even want their own name attached result in the lad getting kicked by some people. He has actually said nothing other than being keen to move to a club that LFC have know for over a year he wanted to play for.


 

 

14 Aug 2017 00:45:53
Klopp has come out and said that he thinks the squad is not good enough and they will have to make a few additions before the end of the week.

Hopefully things start picking up this week.

alexdavies1993

1.) 14 Aug 2017 04:26:31
Well if at meant losing two points at Watford to get the club to see some sense, then I am ok with it. Need 3 players after Coutinho leaves to get a bare minimum of top4.


2.) 14 Aug 2017 09:53:32
Ed01 has said that the club will definitely sign more players this summer.


 

 

04 Aug 2017 09:05:14
Anyone else think by the sounds of Klopps comments last night and in the way he was talking about the signings we have made, that it sounds like he doesn't think we will get anymore players in? Little worrying! That would be a disaster after all the talk, especially now we are in the CL.

alexdavies1993

1.) 04 Aug 2017 09:56:33
Only modern football fans would call signing 3 players for around £50m a disaster!

I actually think we have made good signings and would be content with going into the season with what we have. A centre back would be nice if possible but if not, Gomez is deserving of a chance.


2.) 04 Aug 2017 10:30:34
Agree with MK. Our squad as it is now is improved from last year. Surely that's a successful window? If we can get VVD over the line and keep hold of Coutinho I'd say it's a very successful window.


3.) 04 Aug 2017 10:34:40
Fail to see any disaster, i see a team ready to go again with a years more experience and a lot of promising young players. 2 positions improved upon with a young promising striker and would make more sense to build the team rather than change it around every season.
Should only be buying if its thought to be a clear improvement, if not players and coaching staff should be giving their all to improve regardless of any signings.


4.) 04 Aug 2017 10:50:01
Don't think the squad is "complete" yet. There's still need for a quality CB.
I still hope one comes in.


5.) 04 Aug 2017 10:59:46
Some of the youth players and returned loanees will be like new signings. Not to mention long term injuries coming back.

Ward, Arnold, Flanagan, Gomez, Matip, Robertson, Grujic, Woodburn, Henderson, Kent, Salah, Mane, Sturridge, Ings and Solanke will all feel like new signings as none of them were available for a lot of last season. Just because only 3 of them cost money this summer, does not mean they won't improve the squad. People seem to forget we were missing Mane, Matip and Henderson for significant periods of time. And Gomez, Grujic and Ings were in the u23's recovering all season.

Everything will be okay.


6.) 04 Aug 2017 11:02:44
While we have made modest improvements to the squad, compared to other teams around us such as Chelsea, City, United and Arsenal we are again struggling to catch up. So once again we are reliant on Klopp being able to get more out of the group that he has or some of the younger players turn a corner and take massive strides this season. We have purchased Salah and Robertson (for a modest fee) and Solanke. We could well lose Coutinho, im really hoping not. I think we still need at least 2, maybe 3 quality signings to compete with teams around us this season.


7.) 04 Aug 2017 11:34:15
We've purchased 1 first team player when we were already about 4 first team players down on the other 'top' teams around us.

It's been a pretty shambolic summer so far, however you want to spin it. Embarassing public apologies, weeks and weeks chasing after a player we knew a team didn't want to sell and now, we're all hoping we pull a few miracles out of the bag in the next 3 weeks.

The only shining light is the fact we're now seeing Coutihno as part of the middle 3 which thankfully gives us a lot more options. But this summer, like previous ones has been a wreck - 1 first team player, a kid and a left-back we're all hoping is better than Moreno.

If you're happy to fight for 4th, great. If you want to win the title, you'll be diappointed with our summer activity.


8.) 04 Aug 2017 11:34:54
@The Irish Rover - how are we "catching up" when the season hasn't even begun yet? Last time I checked we're all on the same points: 0. The hysteria surrounding our lack of 100mil signings is just laughable - it is a team game and we are assembling a team, spunking a load of money on another player or 2 will not magically turn us (or anyone) into a nailed on league champion. We should buy if the players are available and hold off if they are not - we have panic bought far too much in the past, we do not need to do so again.


9.) 04 Aug 2017 12:22:46
Seano,

A real simple question then:

Would buying VVD and Naby Keita give us more chance of winning the league?

If you say yes, you're post is a load of nonsense. If you say no, then I would say you're talking out your backside.


10.) 04 Aug 2017 12:31:40
I'd rather keep coutinho than worry about new signings, I agree with mk, loan and youth players that weren't available last season aswell as the three brought in will be good enough if nobody else comes in.


11.) 04 Aug 2017 12:45:36
Seano. Name the last time (Leicester apart) that a team outside Chelsea, City or United won the league?


12.) 04 Aug 2017 17:32:48
Arsenal 03/ 04.


13.) 05 Aug 2017 08:36:02
Did they win because they spent a load of money? Or because they assembled a TEAM? Certain players we wanted are now unavailable in part down to our own foolish behaviour - that is the reality but it is far from the disaster or season ending woe you's are all making it out to be.

The squad, by sheer virtue of the youngsters looking to have improved, looks a lot stronger than it did last season. We now have a proper left back (as well as an improving Moreno), an exciting young right back, a threat on both wings, an abundance of forward options, a very strong midfield as well as a few youngsters looking to make a name for themselves. I think the squad is in pretty good shape personally - a CB would perhaps improve it but at the same time I don't think we are doomed to failure without one. As I said the hysteria over us not signing Van Dyke and Keita is over the top.

Oh, and as an addendum, the transfer window is still open - we may well buy another expensive player for you to cream your pants over yet.


14.) 06 Aug 2017 23:20:14
A team Seano Arsenal had a team of very talented players that complimented each other very well and everything just clicked for them that year.


 

 

26 Jun 2017 17:09:05
Couple Keita rumours flying around today.

No idea how trust worth these Journos are but both the Guardian's Ed Aarons and German journalist Raphael Honigstein have indicated that the 22-year-old is looking to leave the Red Bull Arena.

With RB Leipzig going from 'hes not for sale' To '£70m would do it' Are things starting to be change or is this just all made up rubbish?

alexdavies1993

{Ed002's Note - RTP.}


1.) 26 Jun 2017 17:22:31
Ed001 explained we are not looking to sign him any longer and pushing for the Ox as an alternative.


2.) 26 Jun 2017 17:31:28
I also add that the rumour is he is refusing to sign a new contract which was discussed at the end of last season. I read what Ed01 has said, just throwing this out there, situations change beyond liverpools decision.

Also if Ox is our alternative to a very good first team player, then that's a little worrying. Always thought Ox would be a big squad player for us not to replace a what was 'primary target'


3.) 26 Jun 2017 17:37:59
Which is an absolute joke in fairness,


4.) 26 Jun 2017 18:25:57
Good to see us opt for option C again.


5.) 26 Jun 2017 18:41:15
Let's suppose the rumours are true and I were in charge of RBL. What would I do to keep a prized player who was looking to move away? I would put a very high but not stupid price on him, whilst privately telling him that he was valued and important to the team. I haven't burned any bridges with the player. Either I get the cash to re-invest or I get a player who will continue to perform because he wants to be seen as worth the high price by potential bidders. If the team moves forward in terms of competitiveness and trophy winning prospects and he changes his mind that's fine, otherwise in the last year of his contract I try and sell him on.


6.) 26 Jun 2017 19:01:45
If we want to let RBL pull our pants down for a player who is not even a proven entity in the whole of Europe for 70m (which is not pocket change by any stretch) then the club can have at it. I don't want Keita cos he is not worth 70m neither do I want the Ox as he is a poor player, end of. There are better options out there at CM and the scouts need to go do their jobs instead of outsourcing it to the Saints.


7.) 26 Jun 2017 19:58:31
If he's what we want we should pay the money for Keita and look For a cheaper alternative to VVD. The Ox is hopeless.


8.) 26 Jun 2017 20:27:54
All the people saying they don't want him for the price, if he has a similar season next season to the one he has just had. You would all be complaining that we didn't try when we had the chance. Another season like that and he will end up at the biggest clubs in Europe and we will be feeling sorry for our selves again.


9.) 26 Jun 2017 21:43:49
And if we buy him and he has a stinker Alex?


 

 

08 Jun 2017 15:36:28
Question for Ed01, what do you think about Jamie Carraghers comments about Liverpool getting caught out with VVD? If you haven't seen them he's claiming every club in the premier league does this and what has pissed Southampton off the most is that it has got out into the media? Are his comments even closely true and if so if this a major problem we don't normally hear about? If we had paid up and none of this was leaked out, we wouldn't be any the wiser! I hope this gets sorted out and LFC change there ways!

alexdavies1993

{Ed001's Note - not every club does it, but it does happen a lot more than gets out in the media. We have overpaid to Saints in the past for players because of having annoyed them by tapping up certain players. Many clubs do steer close to the wind, but we have become brazen and blatant with it.}


1.) 08 Jun 2017 15:54:05
Thanks for the fast reply! Hopefully Liverpool do the right thing to resolve this for all parties including the player!

{Ed001's Note - the problem with this one is how blatant it has been and the price of the player is so high too. Fingers crossed we sort something so everyone is satisfied though.}


 

 

 

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11 Aug 2017 10:07:46
Melissa Reddy as just said FSG has stated no offers for Coutinho will be accepted and he will be a Liverpool player come September 1st.

Make of that what you will.

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08 Aug 2017 13:09:54
Ed02 seeing as you keep bringing up win ratio as a stick to bash Klopp with, heres some stats on the last full season each manager had for the club. But this wouldn't suit your Klopp bashing would it.


Rogers 14/ 15:
58 Games
26 Wins
14 Draws
18 Losses

44% Win Ratio

Klopp 16/ 17:
47 Games
27 Wins
11 Draws
9 Losses

57% Win Ratio.

alexdavies1993

{Ed002's Note - So you are looking at it selectively. Hopeless. I am not "bashing" Klopp - everything I have said is TRUE.}


 

 

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04 Aug 2017 15:50:28
I'm sorry but the majority of people would not see this as embarrassing or humiliating because we don't live in your football world. I am sure the majority of football fans of any teams has completely forgotten it had happened. At the end of the day its a bunch of ridiculously paid people squabbling, with rules put in place that i have seen a ridiculous amount of stories about how clubs break rules, peoples problem is how you say Liverpool fans are trying to justify Liverpools actions yet you completely glaze over any misdoings of every other club when suggested to you. Do you give other teams this much stick when they make a mistake, cause it doesn't seem like it.

alexdavies1993

{Ed002's Note - It is not a mistake - it was a series of deliberate acts. And yes, if it were the same at clubs I would make the point just as clearly. The difference is that the fans of other clubs don't keep asking the same thing over and over again - which means I have to keep explaining over and over.}


 

 

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14 Jul 2017 15:25:08
Is it true that there are some people in RBL that don't agree with the sporting directors stance to not sell? Seems like there stance may slightly changing within RBL if true, but i suppose if a offer is big enough any club would sell.

Thanks for the info eds, very much appreciated.

alexdavies1993

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10 Jul 2017 11:25:28
I might be miss remembering this but didn't the FA .................

alexdavies1993

{Ed002's Note - IT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FA. MOVE ON.}


 

 

 

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17 Aug 2017 20:52:55
Viceroy, Draxler is not jumping around at all? He hasn't told PSG he wants to leave, he's been told by PSG that he's not in there plans for the first team. So if he wants to play regularly he needs to leave.

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17 Aug 2017 12:46:03
Are Barcelona not doing the exact thing Klopp got slated for by briefing the media? Fine Coutinho has been courting Barcelona as ED02 has said, but with all the 'news' Spanish media is clearly getting from someone around Barcelona, they are causing a massive rift between fans an the club? Why is this not considered wrong, we are being told by the club one thing, and spanish media are claiming a completely different thing which they have been clearly told by someone in or around Barca.

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14 Aug 2017 09:44:02
Andy what else did you expect on a website specifically about transfer rumours?

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04 Aug 2017 16:01:48
ED02 how can this just be a Livepool thing, if people from other clubs are coming to Liverpool and doing it? Surely this would mean BVB are just as bad seeing as its Klopp doing it? Or did Klopps morals miraculously change when coming to Liverpool.

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03 Aug 2017 11:48:29
Madmax ever thought that we have permission to talk to his representatives, like a few teams have?

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