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01 Nov 2015 10:51:45
Hey Eds,

Just a quick question from me - How come Origi was left out of the squad yesterday? Not complaining at all as I think he has some way to go, but was wondering if it was injury related or a case of Klopp just didn't fancy him in the squad with Benteke already on bench?

{Ed001's Note - I believe he was just rested.}

1.) 01 Nov 2015 15:42:35
We have a midweek trip to Russia. Origi was rested because he started 4 games in 2 weeks, and looks like he felt it. It was good management. I expect him to start against Rubin Kazan on Thursday.

2.) 01 Nov 2015 16:18:51
I read somewhere that he stayed behind for extra training.

3.) 01 Nov 2015 18:39:51
He's not premiership material in my opinion.

4.) 01 Nov 2015 19:47:10
Jcw. You're basing that off of how many games you've watched? Just curious as I think he's been impressive in a few games. He hasn't scored but that will come.

5.) 01 Nov 2015 21:56:12
He's young and only just started out in the PL, he may have struggled a bit so far but very early days and he's also shown he has potential. Let's take him for for what he is shall we and cut him some slack.

I think he's a very good prospect with the right coaching.

6.) 01 Nov 2015 23:57:29
20 years old, from a different league, English not his first language; bought by a manager that has left the club and didn't know to set-up his own team (this sounds like a piece from Gladiator) . then slaughter him after 4 games playing a different style with a new manager.

I'd rather see what he's like at the end of the season (Rodgers called him world class - Origi didn't! ) .

7.) 02 Nov 2015 01:38:47
Remember he got named in the worse players team of the season last year, nowhere near good enough for what lfc want to achieve, reminds me of David Ngog and that says it all!

{Ed001's Note - that's unfair to put that in there, he got the votes as the fans there got on his back because he was moving to Liverpool, and they felt he had gone all big time. Origi is nothing like Ngog, you might want to watch them more.}

8.) 02 Nov 2015 11:05:43
Biggest problem with Origi is his movement, which can be worked on. He is quick and can go past a player, feel he would be much better on the wing while he learns his trade, which will give him the opportunity to see what movement a striker should have to supplement his midfield. Feel he could benefit massively from this as Henry did. Could be a gem but has a lot of hard work ahead of him to get there.

9.) 02 Nov 2015 11:10:52
he was 2nd in the goal scoring charts behind the new lad for man utd and look what they paid for him at that age, so if he had a bad season but finished 2nd behind Martial (sorry for the spelling ) i would like to see him with a good season, he is a young lad who is adapting to a new country and league, even the most experienced players who come to the prem sometimes need a season to get used to out league, and from what I've seen he has not done too bad considering all that, as some one said i will like to see him after a full season for us.

10.) 02 Nov 2015 11:38:40
It was only my opinion, I watched a lot of his games last year, everyone he's played at Liverpool and just don't think he is premiership material. He must understand that if Ings, Sturridge and Benteke are available then he won't be starting, UNLESS he uses the time he is getting now to prove different, its ok saying he's come from a different league, different country etc . so do lots of PL players

As I say its only my opinion and I hope to be proved wrong and hope Klopp see's what you see in him.

On another note: I was pretty much ridiculed on this site at the end of last year for predicting Klopp would be manager by Xmas . 1-0 i dus think ;)

11.) 02 Nov 2015 23:53:08
Think there's a big difference between saying someone isn't up to liverpook/PL standard right now and saying he isn't Premier League material (ie never will be good enough) .

I'd agree with you he won't be getting games if Studge, Tekkers or Ingo fit, but that's not to say he won't make it. We just need to give him time to grow and adapt, he has all the right attributes.

I also agree with someone above mentioning he would benefit from given a shot as a wide forward/winger for a bit. think with his ability to go past a man, and pressure off to score himself, he could really benefit.

12.) 03 Nov 2015 02:12:11
In defence or origi he's going to look lacking compared to the other strikers we have, all have years of experience more than him, slightly barring Ings. I wonder if he'd suit a 2 up from system if we had another for striker or firmino just off him.

09 Jul 2015 06:49:31
Great site Eds and thanks for keeping us all constantly updated!

Just a quick one, now Berahino has woke up and no longer with award (sterling agent) is there any chance we could be interested in bringing him to the club? Certainly has the pace, potential finishing and age we seem to be looking for?

{Ed001's Note - it seems unlikely this window.}

1.) 09 Jul 2015 09:48:25
I think this would have been a good deal for us. He's only 21 and got 20 in 45 games last season, his stats are improving as he's getting older, and I like his movement. Seems a better fit than Benteke, but looks like that is the way were going.

2.) 10 Jul 2015 06:21:50
For Berahino, the agent was only part of the problem.

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28 Apr 2024 18:21:05
This season has been eye opening, exciting and emotional.

Grateful for the ride and of course sad for the decline at the end. Maybe at least the silver lining is that Slot will be under less pressure now than if Klopp had gone out with big trophies. -it's quite evident the level the team are actually at now.

But the biggest thing I have realised is wow, how lucky we were to have, and how good were prime Mane, Firmino and Salah. To have all 3 at a period when they were on fire was just magic to watch.

I've been guilty of expecting whoever comes in to echo what they did, without recognising how special and hard it was.

This is no judgement on current personnel but more just passing gratitude of having that era with those special players and of course our special Manager.

I think in my lifetime my 2 favourite players we have had would be Fowler and Firmino. let's hope the next one isn't that far away too :)

1.) 28 Apr 2024 18:49:09
I’m done analysing the way the seasons ended to be honest mate. There is nothing more to say without just going over and over the same things. No matter how bad it gets, at least we had that night at Wembley where our u21’s plus about 7 senior players beat one of the most expensively assembled teams in history. The season peaked that night so I think I’m just going to hold on to that and forget everything else ??‍♂️.

2.) 28 Apr 2024 19:06:26
A lot of money needs to be spent. This is not a champions league squad. Centre back, midfielder, centre forward and if Salah goes a right sided forward ??‍♂️ and there are none around at the minute.
Big summer, massive changes, fresh start.

3.) 28 Apr 2024 19:24:20
Champions League is crucial, everything else is cherry on the cake. Very happy with comfortable top 4 in this season.

4.) 28 Apr 2024 19:31:12
I had naively hoped we would "click" once the injured stars returned but unfortunately, it just didn't happen and the season has petered out. The United games seemed to inflict a lot of damage on the minds of the squad and fans.

For some reason we bought back the cheap Brighton-imitation tactics after the last international break. Maybe we'll find out why in the second book.

The hard facts are that we have been poor in both boxes, have gone behind in half of our games and haven't won any of the big head to head fixtures, home or away.

As much as it hurts to see Big Jurg go, it is time for a change.

5.) 28 Apr 2024 21:20:13
We can look at one poor pass from Quansah as a turning point of the season. Harsh on the kid but true.

That was the moment it seemed all of the belief drained from the players and they’ve been playing with fear ever since.

I’ve always said though all we can ask for is that we compete. You you compete for the big trophies consistently then sometimes the dice will roll in your favour and you will win.

The fact that we have competed with this squad given all of the trials and tribulations of this season tells me that wholesale changes are not necessary. We can expect the new players and young players to improve next season so incomings are just reliant on outgoings for me.

6.) 28 Apr 2024 21:34:48
Well Ron’s happy so the rest of us should be. I’m not happy, not saying we should have won the league, but it shouldn’t have been gifted so easily. Disappointing doesn’t begin to cover it.

7.) 28 Apr 2024 21:41:13
Spot, MKS. I fully endorse what you have posted. It is what it is.

Pelican, that was my hope as well. I hopes we would go up a gear since having players back would only give us a boost and more options rather than relying too much on the kids who acquited themselves honorably, should not have that type of pressure put on them. Alas, their return only proved to be a problem.

IMO, All the issues we had all season long esp. in both boxes were NEVR fixed nor addressed and that affected us in both Utd games and alas, has plunged our season down the drain to the point that now even when we play a bit well in games, our demons will always come back to haunt us cos our confidence is shot to the point that someone will ALWAYS screw up and last night, it was Allison. It's hard, guys. Really hard.

8.) 28 Apr 2024 21:57:23
Oli, demons is a bit strong, isn't it? ?
What did Alisson do anyway?
And I hope life gets easier for you, mate.

9.) 28 Apr 2024 22:08:58
The season hasn't ended yet but keep the season's analysis coming, Reds.
I'll watch our last few games hoping that we play well and win them all. The hope keeps us coming back for more and if you haven't got any then I feel sorry for you.
I'm also going to enjoy City and Arsenal going for the title. They are two very efficient teams but you never know what will happen. It'll keep me busy for a few hours a week.

10.) 28 Apr 2024 22:31:52
Rigsby, we all have our demons, even our beloved club, lol. Me? Im doing fine, mate. Yourself?

As for Allison, he was the cause of the equalizer cos he had a chance to kill that phase of play by catching a simple ball with nobody around him yet, he managed to screw that up. The ball is kept alive, we lose it stupidly again and they score.

If he catches that ball from jump, that phase does not happen, IMO. Cos at that time, WH were NEVR in the game and were of NO threat to us at all. It's the small details, man. /.

11.) 28 Apr 2024 22:52:59
Oli - I'll forgive Alli because there's so many times he saved us. Last season he probably earned us 5-10 points.

12.) 28 Apr 2024 23:46:17
Mane Salah Firmino was simply the most incredible trio to watch. Best time I ve had as a Liverpool fan watching them three.

Obviously the Alisson, Van Dijk, Trent, Robertson, Fabinho, Henderson etc built a great platform. Klopps tactics were also great for them. But that trio was just magical to watch.

13.) 29 Apr 2024 08:40:25
I agree with you there Davey Sulls. Also, I definately think if we still had a proper leader like Henderson, he would never have allowed the team to play without total commitment or fight like we have been doing for a good few matches now.

24 Apr 2024 22:07:52
Before some of the keyboard warriors come out to slate the team etc, just wanted to say congrats to Ed25.

However we think Liverpool played, Everton wanted it more, were better and deserved the win.

Klopp starting to look like me when I resigned from a job and had to work a 3 month notice ha!

{Ed025's Note - cheers JimJam, we worked very hard mate and you look like a team that has run out of ideas im afraid..

1.) 24 Apr 2024 23:26:19
Haven’t you just keyboard warrior’d the keyboard warriors first with your nice little underhand dig?

2.) 25 Apr 2024 00:58:41
Spot on, jimjam. Honestly, we just look empty. Few lads pulling out of 50/ 50s is a sign they just can't get up for it. The belief's gone. You run at 99% in the PL, and you're going to get your pants pulled down, I'm afraid. That's what's happening at the moment, I think.

I feel for the boss. Nothing's working anymore.

3.) 25 Apr 2024 01:05:49
Keyboard warriors? Nice try.
The team is getting slated because they’ve let a hugely promising season fizzle out into a reasonable one (trophy + top 4) in the space of a month, looking gradually worse and worse while our once-inspirational coach has looked and sounded like he couldn’t care less.
Not this time, pal. The team deserves to be slated for what they’ve done.

4.) 25 Apr 2024 01:06:28
The Everton players were certainly good at falling over last night? They had 11 Tom Daleys on the pitch and the ref in their back pocket. We were absolutely awful though and didn’t deserve anything from the game.

07 Nov 2022 08:57:31
A quick question for the Eds as would value your opinion, and of course any fellow posters too!

The whole Trent in midfield debate comes up often and I am not saying that's what we should do, but did get me thinking as it doesn't appear to be in Klopp mind.

My take on it (not that it's worth much) is that he would be a great option for midfield for most teams out there BUT actually for Klopp midfield (constant pressing and tracking back etc) it actually wouldn't be an ideal fit as he wouldn't potentially get the time and space and could end up slowing down play? he also may not be physical and as industrial as a typical Klopp midfielder.

Solely an opinion, and as my wife would testify to, or at least insist - I am wrong most of the time!

{Ed001's Note - I actually think he would be a good fit in midfield, so long as he is not the holding mid.}

1.) 07 Nov 2022 09:49:13
Jimjam782, That is a great post as I fully agree with you on the point that Trent may not be ready nor be a good fit for midfield right now, as currently constituted. I like you, have always thought he lacks the physicality and athleticism required to play in a typical Klopp midfield as you described it and frankly, I don't think this is the time to be doing the move since he is struggling mightily to put one good game together like several are right now in the team.

My question to Ed02 is do you feel he has the physical tools and athleticism to play in the Klopp midfield (not DM of course)? Not sure if we will even play the high press anymore with "The Brain" now in charge of tactics. Cheers, man.

{Ed002's Note - He is a very good RWB which serves midfield duties. I have no feeling if he could play more centrally.}

2.) 07 Nov 2022 10:39:43
I posted saying the same op but for some reason my post get move to the discussion page.
I totally agree Trent should play in midfield now.

08 Nov 2021 16:47:35
Yesterday for me just sums up how great the Premier League is.

No matter how good a team you are normally, there is always a chance the other team either want it more, get a bit of luck or quite simply on the day deserve the win.

Yes Liverpool not at our best and yes we've let some leads slip but fair play to West Ham they were strong and have been all season, and pretty much deserved the win.

On another day I am confident we would beat them, as I am that we will be challenging on multiple fronts.

But how boring would it be if we just won every game - we'd end up with a league like in France.

Gutted about the result yesterday, but throw in Chelsea's draw at Burnley, City every now and again losing a dead cert and you have to admit we have some great footballing drama going into 2022. Let's just hope Liverpool are top of the tree at the end!

Whatever happens we should be thankful for the exciting football and goals they give us even when we occasionally lose/ draw.

1.) 08 Nov 2021 17:09:52
Hear Hear!
Great perspective Jimjam I used to let a loss ruin my day/ week many moons ago. Luckily over the last few seasons losses have become few and far between so chin up all :)

2.) 08 Nov 2021 17:27:21
I agree it’s an exciting league but we have not proved to be a great team so far this season. Our league form is patchy at best. Players need a kick up the bum and they better start performing. City will more than likely go on a run soon so we better start improving very quickly.

3.) 08 Nov 2021 17:35:43
I will be honest. I didn't think West Ham were that great. Becker had a nightmare for the first goal, 99 times out of 100 he does better. He also made a ricket for the second, again on most other days he would save it easily. Antonio got away maybe twice in the whole game.
Not that I'm saying Liverpool were great, they weren't but they scored 2 good goals, enough to win any game and if it wasn't for Becker having an off day then win would win the game. The Hammers were not that good, just my opinion mind 🤣👌.

4.) 08 Nov 2021 18:06:02
Wow dressing up a woeful performance.

5.) 08 Nov 2021 18:30:56
Does it make a difference whether a woeful performance is dressed up afterwards?
We didn't get 3 points, West Ham did, that's all that counts.
On to the next.

6.) 08 Nov 2021 19:06:31
We're Sickofyou.

7.) 08 Nov 2021 19:26:18
We have ONLY lost 19 of our 163 PL games (we only lost 9 of those within a 3 year period) . It is undeniable that Klopp has built a team of warriors who for large majority of these games, simply refuse to lose and hate losing just like he does.

IMO, Losing is a very rare occurrence for us hence, I’m sure our boys will bounce back cos if you lose as rarely as we do, it feels so foreign hence, so hard to take even tho you know it will come. It happens. It’s what comes afterwards that matters now. We live. We learn. We move on.

8.) 08 Nov 2021 20:14:29
Sickofthis what's the thinking behind the username?
Were you born yesterday?

9.) 08 Nov 2021 20:33:28
That’s actually a ridiculous record and shows what an amazing job Klopp has done. If anything it’s actually criminal we’ve not won more league titles with that record.

10.) 08 Nov 2021 20:50:42
That’s exactly right it is a great not lose record but it’s points that matter. We have too many draws which have stopped us winning more leagues. We need to put a winning run together in the league before we lose another title.

11.) 08 Nov 2021 21:15:32
Moral of the story JK. The stats and records are useless if you don’t win trophies mate.

12.) 09 Nov 2021 02:56:50
We have won trophies mate - the Premier League, the Champions League, the Club World Cup - name a bigger trophy out there that we can enter for?

I get that you are just here as a wind up but a really good winder upper at least has some grasp of reality and a sort of semi-truth to the wind up. Just saying, ’oh no it isn’t all the time makes you sound like you are warming up for a role in pantomime at Christmas mate.

13.) 09 Nov 2021 06:45:43
You shouldn’t be at all satisfied with two major trophies in Klopp’s reign. We had or hopefully still have a great side but we need to massively improve our current league form or in a few games our league challenge will be over just like last season.
You can count on one finger who is having a good league season for Liverpool atm.

14.) 09 Nov 2021 07:10:09
Jeez Mark, I like your posts but you talk bollocks sometimes. Unbeaten in 26 matches until West Ham, scoring 3 goals per away match, top of our CL group and unbeaten in Europe this season yet only one player having a good season We have a hell of a ceiling to reach if the other ten players pick up their game.
One defeat where we defended poorly and people start flapping like we’re in a relegation battle. It’s short-sighted to base our chances of winning the league on one loss. We’ve been excellent this season despite what happened in the last game.

15.) 09 Nov 2021 07:25:19
We don't need to massively improve our league form Markp. 4 points might do it, 2 wins instead of 2 draws might do it based on the league table today. We have problems, no doubt but we aren't sitting mid table like.

16.) 09 Nov 2021 11:08:27
I'm very optimistic about this season but i can see where people are coming from with regards to improving league form and when i say form i mean results. We are almost a third of the way through the league campaign and we have won 53.3% of our league games. Compare that to our 100% record in the CL.

Not a moan but for us to win the league this season we would have to improve on 53% win rate so therefore people saying league form / results have to improve are speaking facts.

17.) 09 Nov 2021 21:16:12
Mark, And what Trophies have we not won? We have won/ played a final of every single comp. we have entered into under Klopp bar the FA Cup which we know Klopp does not care too much about as he had to prioritise. Also, a reason we haven’t been able to win more is cos he spent half his tenure trying to build the squad or does that not count? What did we win in the decade before Klopp arrived? Nothing, that’s what.

And How are we going to win more leagues when it took him three years to build a team worthy of it and have only been challenging since 18/ 19? Get a grip and be happy that we have won as much as we have going against the biggest spenders in football history in City and Utd and to some extent, Chelsea.

As for our current form, we are in a solid position BUT we have issues that are well documented and we have to improve a lot to get to where we want to be. One game at a time and we will see where we have in Jan.

25 Jan 2021 15:15:10
Really don't understand some of the posters on here. So quick to blame and point the finger at our own players or pretend that we are the only team that sometimes get decisions against us.

The truth is it was a soft foul, but still a foul.

We aren't buying a CB because we don't have the money. Do you really think FSG and Klopp don't realise we need one? Surely they would rather stay away from administration than invest more money we don't have - this isn't a game of football manager, don't understand why some people don't understand this?

Have you ever heard of You Never Walk Alone? Regardless of individual errors and circumstance what made me proud of being a Liverpool fan is our passion, belief and willingness to support ALL of our team regardless. Some of the posters recently (albeit the minority thankfully) think it's ok to slag off players and hide behind "I'm just voicing my opinion". Quite frankly that attitiude is embarrassing for the club.

Let's get behind our team instead of being another facet of pressure they don't need.

We lost today fair and square - we swallow it and move on. Season isn't over and if you can't support Liverpool positively in times like this then in my opinion you don't deserve to enjoy the good times as a Liverpool fan.

Apologies for the rant as I know the majority on here are solid fans and voice healthy debates and constructive opinions. But recently there have been a few that go to far and are putting the club to shame

YNWA.

1.) 25 Jan 2021 15:57:54
Well said JJ782. Couldn't agree more. Let's get behind the Team.

2.) 25 Jan 2021 16:55:42
It was a foul for me, Fabinho has a habit of trying to knick the ball off the attacker and getting it wrong, he did something similar against Sheffield United earlier in the season.
It's not his fault, he's a midfielder having to play in central defence.

3.) 25 Jan 2021 17:08:49
Agreed Thunderbird, that tackle would present no real anger in the area Fab normally operates in. More proof that even though he's doing a decent job at CB there's always a reason why you shouldn't rely too heavily on using players out of position.

4.) 26 Jan 2021 09:24:47
It was a foul, end of. Fab showed his frailties as a midfielder playing at CB cos you can do that in midfield and there is no real danger. His lack of awareness that a CB would have, killed him there and that is to be expected at times. No need going over it, really.

5.) 26 Jan 2021 11:06:20
I agree with everything said, the op the comments after. What got me mad at the situation is Bruno constantly moving the ball back from the spot that the referee pointed the foul was made. After 2-3 attempts the referee just agreed with Bruno and let it be. Why? I was screaming at the TV show him the yellow and he won't move it again. But in reality referee let it be and in my opinion made the whole situation easier for Bruno as the wall was where it had to be. I have no idea why is no body talking about that.?

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28 Feb 2024 08:43:22
I saw Allison during the game, he was wearing a Kelleher mask and playing in goal!

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16 Aug 2023 12:35:20
Personally a lot for me changed during Corona C.V..

Money was already everywhere and influencing the winners/ losers, but then we had the debacle of rich clubs (including ours) trying to furlough staff in one hand and then buy players with another.

It just exposed the greed in the game, and now with the money across clubs it's essentially who can spend the most as well as any drama the media can spin.

I still watch Liverpool and want us to win of course, but it's not quite the same as 15-20 years ago when there was more excitement and less contentious topics.

Thinking about it maybe it's not just the money, but also the increased added complications around tactics, rule changes, coming away from a contact sport and these super light balls (in my day if you headed the ball in rainy weather it would take your head off) - although I appreciate there is an injury concern with the old balls.

Anyway yeah feels a lot more complicated these days and miles away from my jumpers for goalposts days - I see more kids shouting about football now and doing tricks on Tik Tok than just being out there kicking a ball about.

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06 Nov 2022 20:00:51
It reminds me of Nathanial Clyne in that he was peripheral for a while and then suddenly always injured and never close to featuring one klopps plans nor wanted.

He also (although I could be wrong) had a poor attitude when it came to training and consistently above and beyond. Equally liked a night out over career focus. Keita seems to be heading down the same path….

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17 Oct 2020 20:03:58
Thanks Ed appreciate the reply.

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03 Oct 2020 11:25:05
Fair points Salah and Juicer and I can see where you are coming from and you’re correct in that unfortunately we just need to be getting on with life. Completely agree on the pubs point - as much as I love them can’t see the logic in them being kept open if it gets worse.

To all those that are working in and amongst it every day, I respect and applaud you as well as a big thank you, as I appreciate it’s got to be tough.

Stay safe everyone.