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26 Apr 2024 11:42:01
I’ve seen a lot of people blaming Trent for the second goal the other night. While I do agree he should have done better, why on earth is he left with Calvert Lewin who is going to beat him in the air every single time. This is why i despise zonal marking! Just gives the attacking team all the advantage of targeting the weaker opposition players!
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26 Apr 2024 11:55:38
Personally, Im over the game now. it's gone. On to WH and hopefully we can finish strong and win all our games. We may finish 2nd with a few point behind City, who know?
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26 Apr 2024 12:01:13
Look I would normally try to defend Trent, probably more than he can himself in fairness butI mean even if DCL steamrolls him - he should at least try and make an effort. He to all intents and purposes opened the door for him.
The footage from behind the goal is nothing other than criminal defending.
He sees the cross, sees DCL coming, moves BEHIND DCL and then barely touches him.
Sometimes you have to call a spade and spade and zonal marking be damned that was awful defending.
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26 Apr 2024 12:53:05
That's why we miss Henderson and milner sometimes. Trent cowered out of the challenge just like Curtis Jones always does. Pathetic, thought Scousers were tough? Not them pair.
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26 Apr 2024 13:57:07
The lack of effort shown by Trent at the back post the other night and In most defensive situations is an absolute disgrace. Shirking out of a challenge in the derby when you’re going for the league, criminal! Your captain and vice captain are meant to lead by example on and off the ball. I’ve said it countless times, Trent is a fantastic footballer, oozes ability on the ball that most pros can only dream of but defensively I can’t remember a weaker right back in red.
If he wasn’t a scouser and hadn’t come through the academy I’d sell him to the highest bidder. The main reason being what I’ve said above, defensively he’s absolutely awful. More over the argument to have him play in midfield only works if you give him a free role and that doesn’t exist in modern day football. He doesn’t have the engine, bite, press, physicality or hunger to defend in midfield.
I’m typing this after having the time to reflect. The loss to Everton, the defensive frailty shown all season, the consistency of missed chances game after game, choosing players out of form and lastly the having no plan b from Klopp and the coaching staff is the reason I’m looking forward to a change. Klopp is a legend and I’ll be eternally grateful for the memories but fresh eyes are needed.
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26 Apr 2024 13:58:09
This post isn’t me defending Trent either, he should do a lot better and put up more of a challenge. I was highlighting how ridiculous zonal marking is! If we man-marked at corners instead, Van Dijk or Konate are picking up Calvert Lewin and that goal doesn’t happen. Can anyone tell me the benefits of zonal marking? The cons definitely outweigh the pros for me!
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26 Apr 2024 14:15:17
VVD and Konate both got bullied as well. Then it really highlighted the massive deficiencies of some other players when it comes to defending.
I hope Klopp changes at least half the team for tomorrow’s game. I wouldn’t give Jones or Sob a seat on the plane never mind the bench.
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26 Apr 2024 10:55:39
Hi Ed's
Do you think Salah's drop of form has coincided with Trent playing this awful invert fullback role. I have noticed when Bradley is playing, Salah seems to have more space as the defender is occupied with two player instead of one. Which gives Mo the extra space to do his stuff.
I know Mo has been awful the last few months but I don't think this inverted fullback tactic helps.
Would love to hear your opinion on this.
Thanks.
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{Ed001's Note - that hasn't helped, but it is not the issue. It is not an inverted full-back that makes his touch so bad.}
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26 Apr 2024 11:18:31
Mos finished everything comes to an end time to move on as not to tarnish his legacy.
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26 Apr 2024 11:18:43
Didn’t Salah have good form at the start of the season when Trent was also playing the inverted full back.
I’m not sure how many of Mo’s 24 goals and 13 assists have come when we haven’t played Trent there?
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{Ed001's Note - yes mate he did. The only real difference it makes to Salah is that he plays wider. But early in the season he was creating more chances for others and playing some good stuff.}
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26 Apr 2024 11:32:16
Definitely out of form we know he has lost some pace but personally I think he could play the false nine better than Firminho create more chances for others and still able to chip in with goals. What say you ed001
Up the pool.
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{Ed001's Note - not convinced he could play there and even less convinced he would do it better than Bobby did. I do think he could play a little deeper but not that role, not the way Bobby did it.}
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26 Apr 2024 11:43:36
Ed001 100% agree mate.
I'm not trying to defend the inverted full back system as i am just as frustrated as the next person with how we are playing.
I just don't think our defeats to Everton, Atalanta and Palace our our inability to finish our chances or defend and give away so many early goals is just down to the formation.
The 3 games mentioned above I can't remember the last time i saw this team look so carefree and lackluster whilst being behind.
Seen reports online that Klopp is wielding the axe this weekend with as many as 7 changes so will be expecting some of the youngsters to come in.
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{Ed001's Note - none of the players who have come back in have performed, so it would make sense to turn back to the kids who did.}
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26 Apr 2024 13:03:08
Right, come on, Reds: who are the kids that we should play for the rest of the season and why?
Quansah, ok. Bradley is injured.
Have Danns, Clark, McConnell, Koumas etc done enough this season to start in the PL?
I've only seen glimpses of them in the League Cup, Europa and a few substitute appearances in the PL so I don't know how good they are and what they have achieved so far.
In my defence, the League Cup final was tense so I probably didn't notice them as much as I should have done.
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{Ed001's Note - Danns has, McConnell was just starting to bed in and begin to play. The rest were at least trying to play forward, which is better than their replacements have been doing.}
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26 Apr 2024 13:23:38
The last 2 afcons that have been held in jan and salah form has fell off a cliff afterwards. 2 years ago 1st half of season he was the best player in world for me and kept us in touch when we playing average enough. Team then had great run and a good rattle at quad but salh form not near what it was for remander of season. Same this time although wouldn't say he as good in 1st half of this season as hd was 2 years ago.
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26 Apr 2024 13:29:30
Rigsby if the question was after my comment above mate then it wasn’t me saying we should be playing the youngsters.
It was more I’ve seen online as many as 7 changes. Looking at the bench wed and squad then I’m preempting that some youngsters will be involved.
But with Klopp subs on Wed o wouldn’t be surprised to see the same starting line up as Everton.
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26 Apr 2024 13:31:27
Ed, crazy to think that we were winning games when we were playing the kids in the starting lineup. But the moment the first teamers got back from injury and inserted into starting eleven, everything started to fall off. It is supposed to go the other way around. I guess the kids just want it more.
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26 Apr 2024 13:44:27
Mfahmee which kids were starting mate?
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26 Apr 2024 14:00:01
No, it wasn't aimed at you, JK.
Even if we did make seven changes, it doesn't necessarily mean it'll be the kids. By kids, I mean Danns, Clark, McConnell etc anyway.
I just wondered what they had done that I hadn't seen.
At his press conference Klopp mentioned playing more positively and he could be expecting the senior players to do that. Why they wouldn't when behind in important games is strange though.
If the youngsters are ready then put them in but is there evidence that says they are?
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26 Apr 2024 09:33:22
i have never liked Jurgen Klopp. Could have won the league and Europa if he kept his emotions to himself, but no he wants a spectacle for everything. When your manager says he is tired and his engine is dry and he then asks his players to do more for him, its called hypocrisy.
I don't blame the players, it's all on klopp. His mind is set on a holiday and his players are a reflection of his mindset.
5 games 150+ shots and just one win. Obviously manager has zero motivation to work and change things up and the results are a reflection of that.
The best era for Liverpool since the 80s resulted in just 2 big trophies. Utterly unacceptable. Glad we won the title and the champions league so thank you, Klopp. But we deserved a better ending.
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26 Apr 2024 09:48:54
Weird take.
Ever thought the best era since the 80’s might have been because of Klopp?
Anyway, you do you.
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26 Apr 2024 10:11:21
Wow just wow
Up the pool.
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26 Apr 2024 10:15:16
“we deserved”
Why exactly did “we” deserve anything? We did “we” deserve anything more than any other club or any other fan base?
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26 Apr 2024 10:41:39
And Klopp could have won nothing but he didn't. By your logic, Akiraold, that's all on him, too.
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26 Apr 2024 10:49:29
Am not going to knock you for having an opinion but wow that is a very negative opinion of Klopp!
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26 Apr 2024 10:52:20
I love Klopp and i am so thankful for the good times he has brought us during his reign.
Just because i love him as our manager it doesn't mean everyone else has too and Akiraold you're more than entitled to your opinion on him.
It is an interesting point you make here though "When your manager says he is tired and his engine is dry and he then asks his players to do more for him"
Whilst i'll blind loyalty disagree that this has happened if it was another manager at another club then maybe from a non biased view I'd say you could have a point.
I think the belief is the players would up the anti to give their manager the send off he deserves but if my work manager told me they were tired and leaving I'd imagine i'd be in cruise control whenever i possibly could get away with it.
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26 Apr 2024 11:07:48
By we I’m assuming you mean “we the fans”.
Sounds like the rent of an entitled natter.
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26 Apr 2024 11:19:00
I am going to go out on a limb and say, any other manager who walked in when Klopp did would not have delivered us the success he has. We were a mess and people have short memories so where we were, we have been so lucky to have him but also unlucky that City were so dominant at the same time.
Give it 2 years, you might regret that statement!
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26 Apr 2024 11:27:54
Me too jk, especially knowing a new manager might come in and destroy everything that’s been such a family place to work and good friends you’ve made whilst being there. But on the other I’m looking forward to klopp leaving for a new era to start. But he’s still and always will be a legend to me.
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26 Apr 2024 11:57:34
Stopped reading after the relentlessly nonsensical "i have never liked Jurgen Klopp" qui-ote.
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{Ed002's Note - It is simply a troll.}
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26 Apr 2024 12:16:21
“I have never liked Klopp”.
Way to soil yourself in public there.
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26 Apr 2024 12:16:29
Is the FA cup not a big trophy anymore then?
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26 Apr 2024 12:40:17
I couldn't agree more, Piffmunda.
The only other manager that I can think of is Guardiola but could he have done it at Liverpool? Having managed at Barca, Bayern and City it's difficult to say but we know Klopp did it at Liverpool. And Kloppwould have done a lot more were it not for the 'circumstances' at City of which he could do nothing about.
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26 Apr 2024 12:52:29
To be honest, I think Klopp pre and post 2020 were not the same.
Klopp brought Liverpool out of a really dark place and gave us lots of great memories, but I do think his best Liverpool days were pre-2020.
No idea what Slot will be like. However, I suspect his tenure will somewhat resemble Benitez' - a likeable manager who will achieve and win things with Liverpool, but whose achievements may not be as lofty as Klopp's.
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26 Apr 2024 13:35:32
Truth be told I never liked klopp either……. I effin love him.
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26 Apr 2024 13:40:11
@Red-Will-is-1 - According to my Man Utd supporting work colleague, the only major trophies are League and European Cup. He also says Utd have more major trophies than Liverpool.
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26 Apr 2024 09:04:50
Ok, this is just my theory on the, I really believed Amorim is really the first choice of who FSG wanted as our next manager (after Alonso). Both parties surely had talks ongoing and probably had a disagreement on certain things.
Then what happened, the Amorim team decided to play games by approaching West Ham, and leak it to the media maybe to put pressure on FSG?
And what happened next, FSG definitely not happy with it, decided they won't bother wasting time with the Amorim team.
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26 Apr 2024 10:00:42
Possible, but i think it’s equally likely that they felt they were incompatible with his formation and amount of control he would demand over transfers. Slot plays in a way that already suits the squad of players we have and would require far less change. Furthermore, a coach who is happy to collaborate with analysts once more is important, it was one of the underpinnings of our success compared to the clubs below us in the league. Move us back towards the transfer policy of the 2010’s and away from the manager and his coaches signing players they seem to just fancy, like Thiago and Nunez.
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26 Apr 2024 11:58:49
Amorim is not the guy. Slot more than likely is and really wants to come to us. Nothing else to see here. We move.
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26 Apr 2024 12:42:27
Isn't our whole club, from youth to senior, asked to play in the same way? We've got in younger players to play Klopps football and they do, and seem pretty good at it. To change system throughout would be a massive overhaul.
I know nothing of Slot until 002 mentioned him, but I'm quite looking forward to it.
A change is as good as a rest, so they say.
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26 Apr 2024 09:31:00
Hi eds,
Just a quick question regarding Slot: it seems he plays a 4-2-3-1, and so I was wondering how he may use some of our players?
For example, would you predict he uses Szob and Harvey behind the striker?
How does he use his widemen: wide as a traditional winger or more like midfielers besides the 10? I ask because I wonder about Salah and Diaz: if replaced, is it like-for-like, or more like creative midfielders beside the 10?
Cheers.
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{Ed001's Note - I don't know sorry, I haven't seen enough of his team to have an idea.}
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26 Apr 2024 11:10:38
OP - few videos on YouTube mate. Probably best to run a search and have a watch, they’re pretty good.
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26 Apr 2024 07:59:45
Slot's post match interview has got me thinking. Is it refreshing that he's being honest, or is it worrying that he should have perhaps deflected the questions and kept all this behind closed doors?
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{Ed001's Note - or is he just worried that Feyenoord are resisting the advances of Liverpool and so trying to force their hand?}
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26 Apr 2024 11:12:10
I like that he spoke to it. Who knows the ins and outs but in general it feels pretty rare to hear a manager talk openly like this.
IMO it came across level and fair.
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26 Apr 2024 12:00:38
That is also true, Ed. Slot is letting Feyenoord know that he is out tha gaff hence, they should not try to make it any harder than it's going to be. Slot wants to come to us and has made up his mind. Also, Dutch people don't beat about the bush. They say what they want or don't want and that's it.
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{Ed002's Note - It is very simple, Slot will move once Liverpool meet the demands of Feyenoord.}
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26 Apr 2024 07:39:02
{Ed's Note - Ork has posted a new article entitled, Options For Manchester United's Next Manager
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