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22 Apr 2024 15:24:57
The usually reliable David Ornstein just said it looks unlikely Amorim ends up at Liverpool.
Back to the drawing board it is! Just please don’t be De Zerbi.
1.) 22 Apr 2024 15:32:13
It's Alonso. Just said he is staying to get press off his back.
2.) 22 Apr 2024 15:36:50
Hodgson coming home?
3.) 22 Apr 2024 15:42:48
Time for a punt on Rafa at 66/ 1 odds?
{Ed025's Note - terrible manager SR..
4.) 22 Apr 2024 15:47:38
that whole article was weird. a short article surprising us with the link the west ham and then just 1 sentence stating he is unlikely to be preferred at liverpool without any justification. I am not saying he is wrong, but it is confusing. Anyway, I hope we get the right person for the job.
5.) 22 Apr 2024 16:31:30
Got a bad feeling it will be De Zerbi. Hughes supposedly a big fan of his.
6.) 22 Apr 2024 16:37:53
The pool of talent out there is shallow, and that’s being generous, if it’s not Alonso or Amorim then the only other remotely acceptable option is Slot. Beyond that every other potential candidate is awful.
7.) 22 Apr 2024 17:02:14
Hope Hughes can keep his De Zerbi fanboyism to just that. De Zerbi would be an unmitigated disaster.
{Ed025's Note - same here VV..
8.) 22 Apr 2024 17:59:52
Mourhinio was at Fulham match just saying.
06 Dec 2023 10:18:00
Few rumours flying about that Klopp is leaning towards playing Trent solely in midfield. If that was the case, what would you do at right back? Bring Bradley into the team and hope he’s up to the task? Or look to buy a right back?
Not many right backs I can think of off the top of my head who would be available but did read somewhere that frimpong of Leverkusen has a release clause that activates in the summer.
1.) 06 Dec 2023 12:16:57
Gomez, initially at least.
2.) 06 Dec 2023 12:21:25
Bradley all day long looks a great little player already and deserves his chance. The lad couldn’t have done anymore than he’s done.
3.) 06 Dec 2023 12:28:48
Frimpong plays as a rwb and although is putting up attacking numbers, isn’t exactly solid at the back. I guess the question is there a better DM or RB on the market? I suspect RB is easier to source, but is Trent a sure thing as 6?
4.) 06 Dec 2023 12:53:52
From pre season I’d say his plan always Trent in midfield with Bradley at RB and then Bradley’s injury saw an end to that.
5.) 06 Dec 2023 14:19:28
If Matip is going to be out for a while I think Gomez might get a run at CB so it would have to be Bradley at RB.
6.) 06 Dec 2023 14:21:59
Not sure where Bradley is in his comeback. I'd certainly be looking to get him game time as he is the RB that fits our style better as RB I think.
But Gomez has been great so I would start him with Bradley getting Gametime in behind to impress (cup and sub appearances) . In any case Konate will get injured soon enough so there ll be Gametime for both. I know that sounds harsh but it will probably be true.
7.) 06 Dec 2023 14:33:39
Personally, I would rather give Bradley a run at right back over Gomez. Bradley has a good delivery whereas that’s not Gomez’s strength.
8.) 06 Dec 2023 14:59:38
Personally, I don't believe there is a plan to move Trent into midfield. I think Klopp (probably more so his coaches) are trying to create advantages in areas of the pitch. We started out with a full-blooded gegenpress (2015-2019), moved to playmaking/ advanced fullbacks with two high-intensity pressing no8s (2017-2020), uber-high lines and right sided overload with Trent starting to invert at times (2020-2022) and now to this press-baiting system which shifts between 433 and 3box3 by moving Trent about.
While I don't have a crystal ball, it wouldn't surprise me if we're just as likely to try and mould Bajcetic to mimic Trent's ability to switch between those positions than we are to move Trent into midfield and sign/ use a conventional rightback.
If we're going to make a good fist of this approach, we will need to ensure we have the centrebacks to play it well, consistently.
And we are not the only team doing this kind of stuff. Zinchenko inverts for Arsenal, Stones for City and Porro does it for Spurs. Whether it is a good idea or not - we will find out.
9.) 06 Dec 2023 18:05:46
What FPF said. If Trent moves into midfield we’re not going to get an attacking RB who bombs up the wing and puts crosses in, other wise we’d use Trent for that! We’ll get a defender who can defend.
10.) 06 Dec 2023 19:14:13
So much depends on the system. If Trent's going midfield full time there are plenty of fullbacks out there that do what Robertson does on the left side down the right. I don't really mind what formation we play just so long as it doesn't involve a fullback inverting. Of all the transitional positional systems used in years gone by and currently a fullback also being a central midfielder is up there with the worst. Said it before and will die on this hill - Trent is made to take Hendo's place on the right of the midfield 3. Only problem then is we have to many midfielders unless we go permanent back 3box3 which I would be in favour of.
11.) 06 Dec 2023 19:26:25
Play him in goal if it meant us winning all the time . Obviously I’m being sarcastic.
Point im trying to make is that I think Trent has now proved he can play anywhere and influence a game and il be honest I don’t think he’s as bad at defending as people make out I just think he tries harder in attack . So that’s one thing klopp must keep on top of if he is to stay at rb is that he puts in as much effort defensively as offensively.
I think he’s just quality and key to us and silverware in the near future ??.
12.) 07 Dec 2023 00:15:21
We also have Ramsay to come back after his loan spell. I think there's a cracking player there if he keeps his head down, stays humble and works hard.
13.) 07 Dec 2023 08:26:40
Klopp's given an interview that suggests Trent won't be moving into midfield at this point.
14.) 07 Dec 2023 08:49:05
@FPF, I believe Klopp himself, less than 48 hours ago said Trent would play wherever was best for Liverpool. What I read into that was that Trent would move between positions depending upon the team we were playing against and the strategy we would employ in each game - sometimes as a right back, sometimes inverted, sometimes not, sometimes in midfield, sometimes not. It seems that he isn’t going to be ‘pigeon holed ‘ as a player who plays in one position which I think is a really good approach as it enables us to make Trent as effective as possible but also adds another thing for our opposition to think about, whenever they have to try to figure out how we’re going to play.
15.) 08 Dec 2023 20:15:39
Ed1 - if OP is correct don’t have any sense whether we’d be moving Trent into 6? And therefore we’d not consider buying a 6? I’m ok with not buying and would hope we don’t if Trent does move to midfield as we’d suddenly have a stacked midfield again!
{Ed001's Note - I am not sure what you are asking here. Sorry.}
16.) 10 Dec 2023 01:38:48
Ed1 - sorry couple typos and a poorly phrased thought/ question from me lol
1- do you have any insight as to where Klopp would want Trent to play in midfield? Is it CDM?
2- if that is the case then I’m assuming that means we wouldn’t be in the market for a new CDM?
{Ed001's Note - as a deep lying playmaker, not a defensive midfielder as such. So it might not mean that at all, depends on whether he wants options for different games.}
16 Aug 2023 10:00:54
Ed002, seeing a lot of talk regarding Cheick Doucoure but nothing super reliable, are we interested?
{Ed002's Note - Cheick Doucoure (DM/CB) Has major language issues that need resolving in the coming months. Crystal Palace have told Monaco, who want him to replace Fofana, that he is not for sale. Only moved to Crystal Palace last summer convinced he would not get a move to PSG that he desired. Although they have added Ugarte, PSG are still looking for a versatile defensive oriented midfield player having decided Verratti can leave and CD is considered an option and was discussed during a meeting about another player. Attractive to Atletico Madrid due to the Cotonou Agreement as an alternative to Amrabat for them. Potentially on the list of options for Liverpool but I am not aware of any approach to Crystal Palace at this time. Language certificate for England not yet issued and deferred by Crystal Palace until January 2024. Crystal Palace will not want to sell unless someone will pay well over the odds for him. Thuram seen as a potential replacement.}
1.) 16 Aug 2023 11:48:58
How much is "pay well over the odds" for Palace to reconsider Ed? 60M to 80M?
{Ed002's Note - They will look for £70M knowing that their ideal replacement is probably not going to be possible.}
2.) 16 Aug 2023 11:59:37
Ex2 - did you mean Thurman is seen a replacement at crystal palace for CD?
{Ed002's Note - Yes.}
3.) 16 Aug 2023 12:13:35
Is this language problem that bad Ed? I've read that Nunez had the same problem last season. Has that problem lessen?
{Ed002's Note - I have no idea about Nunez but they need a language certificate, ideally within 12 months else within 3 years but that becomes a huge problem with oversight and reporting.}
4.) 16 Aug 2023 14:28:35
Surprised Bobby got away with this language certificate. Took him 10 years to manage an interview.
5.) 16 Aug 2023 14:55:03
They turned a blind eye for Bobby Red_Finance because of that none look goal.
6.) 16 Aug 2023 17:10:57
Ed002, why is language certificate important?
{Ed002's Note - It is a UK Government Home Office requirement and gels avoid folks coming in to live off the State or work illegally.}
7.) 16 Aug 2023 18:46:49
What do you make as Thuram as a DM ed anything i’ve seen from him makes me think he’d be so much better with a licence to carry the ball forward and play around the edge of the box rather than sitting in front of a defence.
{Ed002's Note - it is not really like that- he is versatile and would be a great addition in my view.
01 Aug 2023 14:06:49
According to fabrizio Romano, we have bid £42m for lavia, Southampton will reject the bid as they insist they will only accept £50m. It’s getting to the point where we either need to pay the money or look at other options. I get that we need to try and negotiate but when a team says they categorically will not accept lower than £50m, low balling is not going to work!
{Ed002's Note - From what they have said I understand that they will accept £48M but want £50M still.}
1.) 01 Aug 2023 14:17:36
And obviously Liverpool know this and continue to send lowball offers knowing they will be rejected. Time is of the essence, the season starts in less than 2 weeks and we are without a recognised number 6!
{Ed025's Note - spot on JK.. hi in
2.) 01 Aug 2023 14:20:11
According to some reports that 42m is with addons so likely under 40m initially but talks are ongoing still. must still believe a deal is possible.
3.) 01 Aug 2023 14:34:47
So we spent a week deciding to go in low when there’s loads of teams after him brilliant!
4.) 01 Aug 2023 14:36:11
Ed’s, any idea why we are so persistent to get involved in protracted negotiations? I thought it would be beneficial just to pay the £48m and get the lad integrated into the squad if we really want him. I am sure I read that he wanted to join so not sure all this messing around is doing anyone any good.
5.) 01 Aug 2023 14:36:17
After receiving 52m on Hendo and Fab, why is LFC still toying around? Do they not see Lavia valued at 50m? They should just move on and look at alternatives.
6.) 01 Aug 2023 15:09:45
It’ll be interesting to see what Lavia actually goes for if or when he is sold.
7.) 01 Aug 2023 14:59:03
Ed002 if they said they would accept £48m is that all in one go or with add ons, I see something on the internet that they wanted £40m and then add ons.
But I would rather listen to you rather that web crap. I don’t get how we bid what we did the other day then it takes nearly a week to up are bid by about £3m. We should have got this sorted out it’s not as if there is a massive gap In are bid and what they want. I under stand Chelsea and Brighton taking there time as they are starting a good bit apart but this is very poor from us considering the money just brought in for Henderson and Fabinho I bet with the saving on there two’s massive wages would nearly pay for his transfer over a 5 year contract.
{Ed002's Note - There is a reason they want £50M. I understand £48M might be acceptable and they are talking to others about their interest. The situation with Caicedo is very different.
8.) 01 Aug 2023 16:01:22
Ed002 yeah there was a £30m gap between Chelsea offer and the £100m Brighton want Ed but at least Chelsea upped there bid by an amount worth bidding are new bid was a total waste of everybody’s time.
9.) 01 Aug 2023 16:41:24
What about the money Chelsea have brought in?
10.) 01 Aug 2023 17:20:06
Really looking forward to the £44m bid next week!
11.) 01 Aug 2023 17:51:52
£42m is not low balling. You're talking about a kid with less than 30 Prem games in the bank, and in his most recent competitive game he played a blind pass across his own penalty area allowing Jota to stroll onto it and score.
Lavia is not worth £50m. I hope the club move on because we have better players at a similar age (Bajcetic) . We're not low balling anyone. Southampton are trying to rinse someone for what is currently an average Premier League midfielder with the potential to be good in 2 or 3 years. If he was a £50m midfielder Southampton wouldn't be in the Championship right now.
This would literally be like Liverpool asking £50m for Tyler Morton because he's looked alright in 10 games in the Prem/ Champions League, and 30 games in the Championship. It's crazy talk. Are we really that desperate for new signings that we're encouraging the club to sign a Lavia for £50m? Mac Allister helped Argentina to a World Cup, and Brighton to a top 7 finish and even he didn't cost that much. Take a step back and think about this for a moment before making throw away statements like "low balling".
{Ed025's Note - the original bid was nowhere near £42m MK..
12.) 01 Aug 2023 18:18:29
@MK it is low balling if the selling club say they have no intention of selling below £50m. You may not believe he is worth that much and fair enough but they do and they hold all the cards.
13.) 01 Aug 2023 18:16:42
Good Ed025, he's not worth anything like £42m. I have never understood the hype. He's decent for his age but he's not worth more than a World Cup winner because he had a good compilation on MNF analysis once. You see this every single year with a DM that has a decent game and Carra/ Neville nosh them off. Bissouma the year before wasn't it? Best player outside the big 6 they called him. Year before that everyone and his dog wanted Ndidi but Leicester actually kept hold of him and fat lot of good that's done them taking them to the Championship. Seen exactly the same with Kalvin Phillips as well (same summer as Bissouma i think) and then he was crucified publically by Pep after his City move for actually being an overweight training dummy.
It's always the same. Just media nonsense hyping up average Prem midfielders. So many clubs just seem desperate for the next Kante-esque gem but simple fact is that most of the time it is a one season wonder. They've pulled me in previously but I'm not buying into it anymore. Therefore spending mega bucks on a DM with one good season in the bank is just not something I'm going to jump behind. This year is just Lavia and Caicedo's turn for baseless hype.
We'd be wise to walk away if Southampton are living in complete and utter delusion.
{Ed025's Note - im not saying hes all that MK as i have not really seen much of him mate but liverpool obviously want him and know the price, i just think if you know the price they are looking for you have to at least be in the ballpark, if you dont think hes worth that then dont even bid..
14.) 01 Aug 2023 18:56:17
I sort of agree Ed025. But I'd liken it to selling a car. If you spend all summer asking for £5000 with no luck or concrete interest, and then somebody eventually rocks up offering £3700-4200 that gives you a decision to make. Some might just take it, others might not.
If Southampton want to hold firm on £50m then that is absolutely their perogative but i just think it's disingenuous to call it low balling. Surely not one person here actually watched Lavia square a pass to Jota and said "Yupp, that's the relegated kid i want to pay £50m for". Just because Southampton value him at that, means nothing. He's clearly not worth that to any interested party or a deal would've been done by now. On the flip side though, if Saints hold out until the end of the summer there is a chance buying clubs might become desperate and in my opinion, overpay. I simply hope that it isn't Liverpool who get desperate and overpay!
Having said all that the alternative seems to be a Brazilian lad I'd never heard of until Ed002 memtiomed him, so maybe we should just go with Trent in midfield and give up on a new DM because the market appears to have been wrecked by Rice going for £105m.
15.) 01 Aug 2023 20:05:19
So we sell a captain for 12 mill and Southampton want 50 mill for a player that could go tits up after a season walk away the lad worth 10 mill at most never mind what edd 25 says if clubs don't make a stand clubs in near future will be asked 200 mill for players like this lad . And edds 25 that is why your club are in such a state paying well over the odds for players that really should of resulted in your demotion .
{Ed025's Note - but it never Albey, despite the failings of our board and owner we are still top flight mate, because we are EVERTON, the pride of merseyside, knock us down if you wish but we always rise like a phoenix from the ashes.. :)
16.) 01 Aug 2023 20:37:25
City have a 20% sell on clause so £50m would get southampton 40m. Offer them a 44m loan fee and a obligation to buy for a tenner ??.
17.) 01 Aug 2023 20:40:35
Could the Lavia delay help with raising finances, the wage bill has been reduced, a few weeks of delay would raise the difference to what we are offering and Southampton want ?
Ed’s if you don’t mind, re AT, I’ve read that he is a DM but can play CM too, can you offer an opinion on this point please re AT a DM as pointed out above it’s Lavia or AT, but is AT more versatile?
Regarding AT settling in, Ali could help and the other South American players would too.
18.) 01 Aug 2023 20:42:52
Talking some sense there, MKS. Btw, clubs do this all the time but when LFC do it, it's a problem.
19.) 01 Aug 2023 20:40:35
Could the Lavia delay help with raising finances, the wage bill has been reduced, a few weeks of delay would raise the difference to what we are offering and Southampton want ?
Ed’s if you don’t mind, re AT, I’ve read that he is a DM but can play CM too, can you offer an opinion on this point please re AT a DM as pointed out above it’s Lavia or AT, but is AT more versatile?
Regarding AT settling in, Ali could help and the other South American players would too.
20.) 01 Aug 2023 21:26:53
Time to walk away I think. I like the look of Lavia, the HG factor plays a part as does City’s sell on clause but what Southampton are asking is to much. I’d leave the offer on the table and start looking at alternatives. Southampton will surely know now is the time to cash in.
21.) 01 Aug 2023 21:38:05
@Ed25’, point of order if I may - Everton are in the top flight, however, Everton themself are far from top flight ?.
{Ed025's Note - "form is temporary" WDW, agreed we are a sleeping giant and are in desperate need of some magic beans, but sooner or later as Arnie said..."we will be back" mate.. :)
22.) 01 Aug 2023 23:07:34
At last MK some sense. It seems that Liverpool fans just expect us to throw money around even when it’s not warranted just because a selling club says that’s what they want yet when we are holding out for a fee for one of our own players we are pricing them out of a move and blocking their progress!
If this kid is worth £50m and all of these other clubs really are interested then why hasn’t one of them just bid £50m and got a deal done? Maybe because they, like us, are not willing to have their pants pulled down by Southampton. At least we have tried to negotiate a more realistic price (which is still way over what I would consider the right price) . The other so called interested parties haven’t even done that!
Some fans just look for any reason they possibly can to castigate the club. We’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t.
23.) 01 Aug 2023 23:12:47
MK - I'm with you 100%. The idea that we should just bend over and pay 50mil for an unproven 19yr old just cos that's what the selling club says is ludicrous. And actually, I think the real issue is that people are allowing their anxiety to be dictated by things they can't control.
Now in saying all that, I am on board with signing the kid. I think he has great future and potential, but if we walk away because we can't find a happy compromise between our valuation and what Southampton would accept, then so be it.
24.) 02 Aug 2023 08:18:20
You couldn't make it up just reading this and ping now Saints want circa 60 mill for Lasagne, sod that put a bid in for Barella instead, definitely taking the pizza out of us Southampton.
23 Jul 2023 22:38:04
Ed002, lot of talk today about palhinha from Fulham. Unfortunately it seems he has just dislocated his shoulder in a pre season friendly. I have 2 questions…
1. Are we even interested?
2. If we are, would the injury make us look elsewhere or would we still be interested considering most players recover from this type of injury in 6-8 weeks?
{Ed002's Note - 1. See previous answers. 2. Liverpool have preferred options.}
1.) 24 Jul 2023 10:34:21
Hi Ed002, apologies, despite reading all your comments rather closely, I wasn't able to recall/ find Liverpool preferred option, apart from Lavia. And that was post Henderson/ Fabinho's transfer.
With Henderson and Fabinho expected to be gone, is there a change now in preferred option, or is it still Lavia, and would there not be more preferred options, as in targeting to get at least 2 or more?
Is Valverde as possible option, you think?
{Ed002's Note - I have explained about Lavia and Valverde.}
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23 Apr 2024 07:55:31
Ed001, with a new manager coming in, it could be an interesting summer regarding transfers. What positions would you strengthen and who would you move on?
My outgoings:
Matip - contract expired
Thiago - contract expired
Gravenberch - I know he’s only been here since the summer but he’s simply not good enough or doesn’t try hard enough.
Salah - I think now is the perfect time to move him on.
Diaz - sick to death of his fathers comments about him and his son dreaming of Barcelona or Madrid. Diaz has very fast feet but his end product is very inconsistent.
Tsimikas - I just don’t think he’s good enough.
Incomings:
CB - with matip leaving and Konate’s fitness issues, I think we definitely need a CB
Attacker - with salah almost certainly leaving and maybe Diaz, a versatile attacker who can play across the front 3 will be needed.
LB - Robertson isn’t getting any younger and Tsimikas isn’t good enough. Not sure if any of the kids such as Beck are ready to step up but if not, I think we definitely need another LB.
{Ed001's Note - Matip and Thiago have to go, can't stay fit so it would be crazy to give them a new deal.
I would take a good offer for Salah, but I wouldn't be pushing him out of the door.
Diaz, on the other hand, I too am sick to death of his dad's statements. I am more fed up of his lack of end product, people moan about Nunez, but Diaz is far worse for messing up opportunities.
Tsimikas I would probably keep because my worry is Robbo is ageing and I would want him to cover so Beck can get a run, then assess the left-back again next summer. I do believe Beck is the answer in that position though.
The other one who I would be considering selling is Jones. I like him a lot, on his game he is excellent, but he is always injured, so I would want to look at that and see what is the cause and maybe have to move him on.
Priority for me is a left-sided centre-back. Rotation option for Virgil and long-term replacement.
After that it would come down to who is available for the right price. I think Danns has the ability to push on and be an option in the centre forward position, so not sure we need one of those. Right-side though, that I do think we need to look for. We have options there, but no one has nailed down the place as an alternative to Salah.}
1.) 23 Apr 2024 08:44:53
Interesting read that, ed001.
And who would you bring in? Including manager?
Keen to hear your opinion.
{Ed001's Note - manager I have no idea. There was only Alonso out there.
As for the defender, the ideal choice would be Bastoni but other than that it really depends on how the new man wants to play. I would probably look at Pavlovic though to be honest.
Kubo is the obvious choice on the right side of the attack, as he offers flexibility as well being able to play all over the front line.}
2.) 23 Apr 2024 09:08:43
Thanks for the reply Ed001, I do agree aswell regarding Jones. He finally looked like he was nailing down his place in midfield earlier in the season but yet another injury has completely derailed his season and he has come back very rusty, back in his old habit of taking far too long on the ball and getting caught.
{Ed001's Note - it is a shame, I really want him to succeed but he has to stay fit.}
3.) 23 Apr 2024 09:42:47
Ed, what are your thoughts on Thomas Frank?
My assessment of him is quite shallow but he’s done well wherever he’s gone and has plenty of wins to his name against top level opposition.
What would be the drawbacks here? If it’s not Alonso or Inzaghi, I’m picking Frank over every other name mentioned.
{Ed001's Note - he gets results by shithousery. His football is horrible and he has the team diving, playacting, niggly fouls, timewasting, that's his methodology. Not for me would I even consider him. That is not a tactical plan that can step up to top level as the players want to play football. He would be down with Allardyce for me.}
4.) 23 Apr 2024 10:21:13
Tell you what Ed1, I can see your love for frank, it's shining through mate, almost like rons love for Nunez. Haha thanks for writing this mate, I don't have the time to read right now but will later on today.
{Ed001's Note - I actually quite like Frank, he seems a nice guy, but I wouldn't want to watch his football every week.}
5.) 23 Apr 2024 10:25:51
Would love Eze for us.
Interesting times manager wise.
Looks like it’s going to be a Brendan Rodgers’s type of appointment unless someone with experience comes out of nowhere.
6.) 23 Apr 2024 10:36:47
Kubo or Eze are great shouts.
7.) 23 Apr 2024 10:38:04
What happen to Bakayoko Ed1? I remember how highly rated he is last season. But this season, it seems like his stock has fallen.
{Ed001's Note - I guess you mean Johan? There are a lot of Bakayokos! He is just 20, they go through peaks and troughs usually at that age.}
8.) 23 Apr 2024 11:20:09
Ed1. I also don’t get why Diaz’s dad is talking. And when I say talking, I mean constantly talking. He is not even an agent in any capacity. If I was in Diaz’s shoes, I would be telling my father to zip it as it’s embarrassing all around.
On the managerial front, I have 3 questions:
1. As far as you’re aware is Amorim, who was just behind Alonso as my 2nd choice, now completely off?
2. Richard Hughes is apparently a big fan of De Zerbi. Do you now see him being appointed?
3. I have long resigned to the fact Alonso is not coming after his announcement. Do you think he could do a U turn or has that ship completely sailed.
I have a feeling we are going to appoint De Zerbi, who I’ll be honest is not my favoured choice at all. Not for the way his team plays, because his brand of football prior to this season was breath taking and quite possibly the best in Europe. But more so for his very combative personality, which could go one of two ways.
{Ed002's Note - 1. He cannot be completely ruled out. Ruben Amorim (C) Manchester United may still offer an option - another option will be Liverpool, but he knows he was not first choice - but I think they will still try for him with Alonso not interested and I think he would be a good choice and a good fit, but persuading him to leave Sporting may be difficult.
I understand that there was no clear understanding between the club and his agent regarding the scope of his responsibilities and Liverpool will need to be flexible – critically over the squad – another with an issue that targets are still Fallows, Hunter and Klopp derived and a whole new structure being put in place. Do not rule out Barcelona but Deco has a preferred option whilst the board want to persuade Xavi to stay or to move quicky for Amorim.
If needs force the situation and given the likely link between the club and Sporting, Chelsea may start pushing having spoken with Amorim before. West Ham spoke with his agent and Sporting to allow them to talk directly to Amorim, but it would seem an unlikely move for me and probably not one he would be keen on but they will offer him control over targets and will offer him much more than Moyes gets in salary.
They have a project to sell but, for me, will likely need to revert to the other potential replacements for Moyes that they have identified. Newcastle may offer a wildcard option and will pay the termination clause and the cost of terminating his staff but they again will not be an attractive option. Bayern Munich may also see Amorin as an option as they too struggle but he is not currently top-of-the-list for them as they are likely to revise their approach now.
2. Roberto de Zerbi (C) Brighton would fight to keep him but another who will certainly be discussed by Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Liverpool and Manchester United with Jim Ratcliffe having a very serious interest in him. A minor issue exists in the €15M cost of Brighton releasing him.
Additionally, there are termination clauses for all of his staff. Deco has de Zerbi as his preferred option for Barcelona which he has shared with Yuste and Laporte but it will not be Deco's decision and they can perhaps be excluded. Not top of Chelsea's list, but on the list. Likely first choice for Bayern Munich now but if they cannot sign him they have a Plan B.
An interesting option might be Manchester City when the job becomes available. He has said he is not interested in the Liverpool job but they could look to trying to persuade him to make the move as they struggle to bring in preferred options. Brighton are actively looking for a replacement and fear he will depart.
3. Xabi Alonso (C) A popular choice for clubs and having a great season at Bayer Leverkusen, but very inexperienced, although there will be interest in him from Liverpool, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Chelsea and Manchester United, I would discount all but Liverpool and Bayern Munich.
Has made no secret of a desire to follow Ancelotti at Real Madrid - but that won't be until 2026 so they can be discounted at this time although he has the support of Carlo Ancelotti. Manchester City may provide an option in 2025 and don’t rule out a move. Klopp has endorsed both Alonso and Nagelsmann for the Liverpool job – but neither is available this summer.
Bayern Munich offered a serious option but again they are having to look to other options inkling a Plan B that will see an interim Head Coach for a year. Having won the league this season it would likely make it very difficult for him to leave Leverkusen and there would be significant pressure to stay.
His agent Inaki Ibanez has said that multiple clubs are enquiring and that clubs need to work with Bayer Leverkusen, who Liverpool have approached to ask permission to speak directly with Alonso but he will stay for now looking at a future role in Madrid when Carlo Ancelotti departs in 2026.}
9.) 23 Apr 2024 11:17:59
Agree with most of that especially the Diaz part I get so frustrated with the amount of times he runs into trouble and holds it too long. Nunez gets, but Diaz is more frustrating for me.
I'd keep Jones personally.
10.) 23 Apr 2024 12:43:53
I think Diaz's dad is especially disrespectful given the support the club showed his family during their hour of need just this season. He's also there at every game wanting photos with everyone. The next day he's talking about his son leaving. Talk about a cheek.
I don't think we need to replace Diaz if he leaves. He has zero end product. Just give extra minutes to Elliott, Clark, Doak and others.
11.) 23 Apr 2024 12:54:38
Ed2. Cheers for the detailed response. Much appreciated.
15 Apr 2024 09:34:55
Watching klopp’s post match interview yesterday was the first time the thought of a new manager actually felt right. Klopp looked mentally shattered. I absolutely idolise the man but I think now is probably the right time for fresh ideas.
Thanks for everything Jurgen!
1.) 15 Apr 2024 11:46:27
JK_RED, maybe the guy knew what he was saying all along.
29 Mar 2024 16:41:27
Ed001, with the news of Alonso now probably staying another year at Leverkusen, the consensus now seems to be that Amorim and De Zerbi are front runners for the job.
I personally am not too excited by the prospect of De Zerbi. I know they lost some important players in the summer but Brighton seem to have gone backwards this season.
As for Amorim, haven’t got a clue about him other than he has done well with sporting over the past couple of years. Do you know enough about him to know if he’d be a good fit?
Would one of these two be your choice? And if not, who would you go for?
{Ed001's Note - it does seem a bit pointless me answering this as I have said it a hundred times before. Amorim would be my second choice but De Zerbi would be on the level of Fat Scam as a choice.}
1.) 29 Mar 2024 17:13:27
Not that I’m vying for De Zerbi but he’s in a right position this weekend.
He’s on audition in his eyes for one of the biggest jobs in world football.
Losing against us isn’t going to make him look good but how is he going to look in Liverpool fans eyes if he’s beats us and ours a huge dent in our title hopes and Klopps swansong.
Brighton are some what a recent bogey team for us. We’ve only beaten them once in the last 8 fixtures between the sides.
2.) 29 Mar 2024 19:31:38
JK23 if the club aren't getting him and leaning towards Amorim then, it's not going to matter what he thinks he will be auditioning for "in his eyes".
I remember Allison getting battered at LFC with Roma over two legs conceding 7 goals in the CL which one could say was his "audition". Did that stop us from getting him eventually? Exactly.
All Im saying is that if De Zerbi is the guy (which I hope is not), Sunday's result won't matter. And if he is not then equally, the result won't matter either, IMO.
3.) 29 Mar 2024 19:46:31
Alright Oli calm down.
First PGMOL were gaslighting you and now the club are interested in managers you don’t like.
At this rate you’re going to have to stop streaming free football games hours after they’ve happened on YouTube to really hit the club where it hurts.
4.) 29 Mar 2024 21:25:12
If that were the case JK then you would like to think (particularly if you’re associated with Brighton) that he would do what he is paid to do and be professional.
To be honest I couldn't care less about next season at this point. Beat Brighton and on to the next game.
5.) 30 Mar 2024 09:47:55
JK23, you're doing too much and not for the first time, lol.
20 Mar 2024 11:25:05
If anyone needed any more evidence for how inept the PGMOL are, just go and watch Howard Webb talking about the Mac Allister penalty decision against city.
He said the reason the penalty was not given due to both players “coming in high” to the challenge. How on earth can a player come into the challenge high with his chest?
This is always going to be the problem with VAR, they’re all mates and they’ve all got each other's backs. Until the VAR is an independent entity of some kind, nothing will change.
1.) 20 Mar 2024 12:18:12
Let it go - it’s flawed. It’s flawed for everybody. Saying over and over that it doesn’t work doesn’t help.
2.) 20 Mar 2024 12:29:42
Was listening to Keith Hackett this morning on talksport and he said the opposite ?♂️.
3.) 20 Mar 2024 12:31:38
I think every football fan is sick to the back teeth of VAR and the ones who run it and the premier league. Our game has been ruined from a sport to a cash cow for the rich. Charged outrageous prices, treated like cattle, games put on at times with no consideration of the fans.
Football needs a complete overhaul to make the game a level playing field . When an average football player can earn more money in a week than a doctor or nurse can earn in a year for kicking a bag of air around a pitch.
4.) 20 Mar 2024 13:39:11
Wdw, you're right mate. I'm guilty of going on about it but you're spot on, this is the new normal whether we like it or not.
5.) 20 Mar 2024 14:07:54
Sorry WDW3, so we should all be quiet about it cos we can't do anything about it? Miss me with that stuff, mate. I ain't letting that go anytime soon. The only thing worse than the clear non-decision itself, was the wretched excuse and shambles and blatant quadruple-speak Webbo engaged us in his bid to gas light us that we should not believe what our own eyes are seeing and just believe the absolute contradictory tripe that comes out of his mouth. Also, not everyone is affected cos I don't recall any other team go they what we went thru at Spurs. Nor has City gotten done by these incompetent decisions either so the "It"s flawed for everyone" schtick is NOT true either.
This whole ship stinks and we all know it and the worse thing here is that for every mistake PGMOL has made and apologised to LFC for, City and Arsenal has directly benefited by default. That's why it stinks in our situation. So No, I ain't letting it go any time soon and I'll keep talking about it.
6.) 20 Mar 2024 15:30:40
Keith Hackett, who used to be the boss of PGMOL back in the day, was furious too, as he firmly believes the referee and the VAR made a mistake by not awarding Liverpool a penalty. He had a real go at Webb for not accepting the mistake.
Reacting to Webb’s words, Hackett said in a tweet: “Not a foul Howard? you are joking. Do not defend the indefensible. ”
In another tweet, he wrote: “What abject nonsense from Howard Webb who is ignoring Law 12. Careless -Reckless definition. ”
Replying to a fan, Hackett said: “The boot is too high and makes contact with Mac Allister. It’s a foul! All day every day. Liverpool should have had a penalty kick. ”.
7.) 20 Mar 2024 16:09:17
What is mind boggling and bewildering is that grown professional adults are serving up this nonsense on a regular basis, on the belief that other grown adults (the fans and media) will swallow it and not say much about it. Seems to be working.
I firmly believe that the absolute wrong thing is to let it go. What is right is right, and what is wrong is wrong. And everyone has the right (I could even go as far as to say; almost an obligation) to say what they feel is wrong.
Another thing that comes to mind is what I always say: 'be careful what you ask for because you just might get it". Well we asked for better refereeing standards before all this VAR stuff. No one had an inkling that it would turn out so controversially, but there you go.
8.) 20 Mar 2024 16:14:44
Webb pretty much confirmed exactly what Klopp and everyone else has been saying all along.
Oliver wasn’t sure so he gave nothing, thinking that VAR would look at it and tell him if he was wrong. VAR then look at it and think ‘I don’t want to go against my mate’ so they go with Oliver’s non decision, even though his non decision was only made because he expected clarification from VAR.
What annoys me more than anything is they keep talking about processes and protocols. He followed the correct process, he used the correct protocol as if that makes up for giving the wrong decision! You are officials in a football match, the whole reason for you being there is to get the decisions correct! If you think that process and protocol is more important than actually getting the decisions right then what is the point of your existence?
It’s a sh@t show. It’s simply not fit for purpose in its current form.
9.) 20 Mar 2024 16:46:10
WDW, not saying anything is surely worse? Just accepting it will only allow them to get away with it for longer.
10.) 20 Mar 2024 20:33:52
@Oli, JK_RED, I strongly suspect that VAR and its usage will have undergone hopefully major) changes by the start of next season. It doesn’t work the way it is currently set up. We know and everybody else knows including the FA.
It won’t be changed this season, because changing it mid-season potentially makes them culpable for wrong decisions which, n turn, could possibly open them up to claims for financial recompense from a number of teams - we lose the title by one point and the Spurs fiasco and the Doku challenge could literally lose us hundreds of thousands / millions.
There will be a VAR 2.0, it’s inevitable. I really understand that it is a poorly executed process, which clearly hasn’t been thought through, and I understand that we are all frustrated and angry with it and really p1ssed off with loads of the decisions, which are not transparent and appear, at best, arbitrary when paying spectators can’t hear what’s going on / being said.
My comment yesterday doesn’t mean people should stop voicing their concerns, and we certainly shouldn’t let it drop, but a thread a day seems overkill to me. Collectively, we’ve all got a scab on our knee, picking at it won’t help it get better (we’ll that’s what my mum said ?) .
11.) 20 Mar 2024 20:47:36
This whole Mic’d up show is a farce and is gas lighting in its purest forum! Not just within the context of Liverpool but in every episode Webb comes out with his rehearsed segment where he tries to rewrite events and justify errors is frankly disrespectful to fans… Webb says that both players ‘came in high’? And Doku got the ball, both are factually inaccurate but Michael Owen stands there like a paid clown and nods politely?
I’m not saying that Liverpool should have 100% had a better penalty, that’s a subjective call and up for debate but what isint subjective is the facts and that can’t be allowed to go unchecked. Frankly VAR needs a complete overhaul in its process which sees all refs make the final decision on a VAR call, when the game is stopped and VAR is taking 3 or 4 minutes to review an incident why isint the ref doing this at the monitor? Why do we have a 4th official reviewing an incident and deciding then if the error meets this mythical threshold to overturn a decision. Simple solution, VAR flag a possible pen shout which is a subjective call, ref without input from anyone else goes and looks at the monitor and makes a decision. If u want to speed things up then use the big screens in the stadium!
Also if something takes 3 minutes to review then it’s for me it’s an inconsequential matter and play on, let’s not go searching for reasons to rule out goals or award penalty’s for a players big toe being clipped. errors will continue but atleast they won’t be resulting from bureaucracy and farcical things like clear and obvious.
12.) 20 Mar 2024 20:53:34
Wdw3 I completely understand your point. Honestly though- if it affected every team it would be easier to take. There is one team that again and again and again and again appears to get the “benefit of doubt”. It’s just frustrating. It’s also a comfort seeing other voices echoing the same frustrations. I hope for a fairer var but like a broken record I’ll say until the betting issues occurring- I can’t see there being any change occurring.
13.) 21 Mar 2024 08:44:33
Name names @aoe - I’m sure the truth will be revealed when the decision of ‘no evidence of wrongdoing’ is arrived at in 2045 and the FA have just signed a multi trillion deal with representatives of the UAE.
Being only slightly mitre serious it is hard to tell if the benefit f the doubt shown to the side you refer to isn’t just another example of complete ineptitude rather than anything Machiavellian. As a (slightly cynical) optimist I’m sticking with hoping for better things next season.
14.) 21 Mar 2024 09:09:12
The sooner people face the fact that the game is so obviously fixed for one result or another, the sooner we can purge this corruption out of the game and go back to watching a pure sporting contest. We've been denied at least 4 points this season (Tottenham, Man City), down to the most heinous of duck-ups. They want a team to win the league and it isn't Liverpool. The league is fixed just like the NFL, and many players have testified to that fact.
15.) 21 Mar 2024 09:25:09
Mcgoveb, my point exactly. They keep saying it was a subjective call which is a blatant lie. If something has an actual statute governing it, it is NOT subjective, period/ end of story. Again, this is the dumbing down of footie analysis where applying footie laws don't matter anymore. Only people's feelings (doused in tribalism) that matter in a bid to drive controversy and click.
Law 12 is there to govern this type of incident and the rule/ statutes are clear on this. This incident fits the rule like a glove YET I have yet to see anyone in punditry or online use/ mention it in their analysis to support why it should not have been a pen. Convenience? Probably and I'll tell you why.
When the whole manufactured "drop-ball" fiasco happened, there were people who where sore about us winning the game (legitimately I might add), stating the actual rule that says that it should have gone to Forrest (despite the fact that the same thing happened to us in the first half) . Now notice that NOT a soul nor Webbo himself referred to that rule. Why? Cos it would have blown their whole rhetoric on non pen into bits hence, no leg to stand on. Liars, the lot of them.
16.) 21 Mar 2024 11:15:13
Tbh, I think it’d have been better if Webb had come out and just explained that the VAR verified what the ref saw and didn’t see a clear and obvious error. That would have been better than explaining why it wasn’t a pen.
Cos the explanation is bogus.
17.) 21 Mar 2024 11:16:11
@WDW trust me I get it, I’m just as sick as you are of talking about them, but it seems every single weekend there’s a big decision ruining games. It’s actually quite impressive how many decisions they get wrong with a million cameras covering every single angle of the pitch.
18.) 21 Mar 2024 12:33:52
Faithinworks OR, Webbo could have just kept his mouth shut and kept it moving cos we all knew what happened and know the refs screwed up. The amount of rival fans (even Arsenal fans who benefited from the result) saying it was a clear pen, is mind-blowing and it only went up after the absolute gaslighting debacle Webbo and his band of liars subjected us to.
{Ed001's Note - Webb has been trained at South Yorkshire Police, that is all you need to know in order to understand that nothing that comes out of his mouth can be trusted. He should never be in any position of authority.}
19.) 21 Mar 2024 18:26:00
Spot on, Ed. I lived in the States for many years. Never believe a word that comes out of a cop's mouth when talking about the conduct of his fellow cop.
20.) 22 Mar 2024 12:47:48
Incredible how the scale of what happened in those towns was just brushed under the rug.
21.) 22 Mar 2024 13:03:12
Few major issues with VAR for me lads:
1 - it is run by Refs. I mean we all heard Mike Dean saying he didn't tell the ref about the Cucarella hair pull because his mate had already had a bad day and he didn't make it worse fs.
Also, the refs seemingly don't want to 'overrule' their mate on the field so just back up the decision made - which as wrong as often the ref on the field makes a call, thinking if he's wrong then his mate in VAR will bail him out.
Again, then VAR refers the ref to the screen, how many times has the ref honestly said 'no' and backed his own decision? Has happened what once this season I think?
Personally, I think because it's refs on VAR no one knows who has the final decision as above, they both just want to back up their mates - I think VAR should be manned by people outside of the refs. They see something and refer the ref to the screen to look at it. Final decision is the onfield refs and no-one elses.
2 - the decisions themselves made by VAR and when it decides to get involved
We see a decision given one week as like a penalty or red card - get the likes of Dermot Gallagher explaining how it is a correct decision and processed used, then the next week we see an identical incident and a different decision this time. Again, Dermot tells us, using a different interpretation of those same rules, how bizarrely that this too was alos a correct decision.
Again, we see VAR intervene one week for an incident then not get involved for an identical incident the following week. Dermot, Mike Dean etc tell us how both decisions were correct and we are left scratching our heads wondering what the difference was - was it the Clubs involved? The Stadium the match was in etc, who knows?
3. The length of time taken to make a decision - I mean this has to be split into 2 parts:
A - 5 mins plus to look at a possibly penalty/ red card etc type incident. I mean jeez, we see like every replay the VAR officials see and it doesn't take longer than 30 secs or so to see if it is a deliberate handball or a karate kick to the chest but hey, they take their 5 mins, fair enough, but how they then come to a different decision than the millions watching at home is just inexplicable.
B - then the offsides, a real annoyance for me. VAR is to intervene for those 'clear and obvious' incidents - if it takes 5 mins plus and the drawing of lines to measure millimetres of a possible offside then it's hardly bloody clear or obvious is it and VAR should not get involved
The solution? For me simple - one still, in line across the pitch when the ball is played. If he's on he's on, if he's off he's off - usually obvious, if it's too close to tell then you don't need lines, the advantage goes to the attacker. Simple fs and what, 30 seconds for the decision to be made?
VAR in itself is a useful tool and should lead to the correct decision to be made - the fact this isn't happening should show it is merely being used incorrectly and thus needs looked at.
18 Mar 2024 09:48:06
Bad day at the office yesterday, it happens and you just have to take it on the chin. One thing I will say though is some of the players looked lethargic yesterday, which begs the question, why did klopp go full strength on Thursday when we were already 5-1 up?
1.) 18 Mar 2024 10:11:45
Thursday was a cake walk, the players barely broke a sweat.
We allowed United to get back in that game by not shutting up shop and not taking advantage when we were on top. Poor game management.
2.) 18 Mar 2024 10:53:44
Liverpool were lack lustre from the start, no urgency at all. I thought they were complacent but saying that they also looked tired, obviously the Thursday game played a part of it . Thing what bothers me though is that is the worst United team we've seen in a decade and we should always be up for these games, the game was there for the taking. but let's dust ourselves down n more forward.
3.) 18 Mar 2024 11:00:07
I think we have to give Utd some credit too Mikey. We should’ve finished them off in the second half the game almost became too easy but they took some risks and got a lot of players forward.
They got a couple of lucky bounces of the ball and it was a good finish from Antony.
They then took advantage of 2 tired mistakes in extra time.
It’s a game where we’ll be kicking ourselves as it was there for the winning but fair play to Utd they kept going, threw players forward and got their reward.
On to the next one.
4.) 18 Mar 2024 11:09:22
No intensity killed us, we had poor game management by the team as well, no urgency to get the third until ET, we should of walked that game if we turned up the press.
5.) 18 Mar 2024 11:36:58
We win some we lose some. I’m over the defeat and said we have to bounce back against Brighton.
As for you Beckers and that high horse of yours. I have been on this site for probably 15 years. Who knows maybe longer so the holy than thou act don’t really wash with me nor impress me. In your reply below you say me and Mango. But then go onto specifically address Mango about turning up when defeats occur. Maybe don’t lump people in the same box? I’m here win lose or draw. Stick to one argument when directly countered. So address this statement first. Actually, don’t as I can’t be bothered going back and forth with you to be honest.
As for last season, Klopp’s sub choices were poor. What do you want me to say, jump onboard with your line of thinking? As fans we are entitled to have a difference of opinions. Btw im here every week. Mainly in the live chat, which I assume is below you and I have maintained both here and the live chat - that Klopp is a great manager. Given me the best times as a Liverpool fan. But his one weakness is sub choices (for me) . And in a number of games it’s cost us. Is that being a terrible fan or less than a fan than you, your Lordship. The players have done well but I won’t be a fan that just says yeah everything was okay and hey things happen. If you want that then you have to look elsewhere because you won’t be getting it from me.
The funny thing is if an Ed said Klopp is a great manager. I want him to have the a great send off. But for me, his sub choices have killed our momentum in a number of games. I can almost guarantee you wouldn’t have this energy. Anyways, I’m done responding to you, your Lordship Mr Beckers. I’ll continue to support the club, win and yes lose or draw. Starting with Brighton. And if I see something I feel I don’t like. I will continue to have my own opinion and will voice it. Cheers ?.
6.) 18 Mar 2024 11:41:31
Typical FA cup game should’ve won but faded badly in last ten minutes and the underdogs came through that’s all that happened. Rather we take three points of em in premier league later this season
Up the pool.
7.) 18 Mar 2024 12:14:07
We can turn it into a positive by not making those mistakes again. Wrong Subs, not taking chances, full strength in Europe 3 days before….
8.) 18 Mar 2024 13:02:05
Poor game management and poor substitutions by Klopp, im afraid. Its got to be called out. He deserves all the praise and admiration when he gets things right but it was a shocker to play a full strength side against Sparta. Especially as we scored 4 goals in the first 15 min.
Id take this result in exchange for tonking Utd in the league any day but can't help wondering if the passion might be notched up a level once TAA and Curtis are back?
9.) 18 Mar 2024 12:50:45
Spot on LiverpoolFC8. Those 3 points are exactly what I have being saying that played a part in the result. But the game is gone and we must move on. We still have the league and Europa Cup to win.
If Arsenal draw or lose against City and we win our remaining 10 games and the league is ours. We have all witnessed City pulling 15 game winning streaks over 7 years now. So we have to treat every match like a cup final from here on out, starting with Brighton. Nothing would be better than seeing Klopp off with the league and Europa to add to the Carabao Cup. Followed by FSG announcing Alonso as the man to take over the reigns.
10.) 18 Mar 2024 13:53:24
Alonso, you have been around for plenty of wins this season, (as has Mango), so I don't think you've been saving up a little hit piece for weeks, you have to admit it's pretty bloody hard to maintain that Klopp's sub choices have killed our momentum in games this season. You've suggested it's a general, worsening issue. I've only seen it yesterday, and the PL game away to Arsenal.
We've outscored literally every other top-flight team in the country in second halves and I think in the last 20 minutes too. That surely suggests that Klopp's subs have generally been on point, doesn't it? Which is what I've seen with my own eyes too.
I find people here generally can get very precious about the sanctity of their opinions when someone disagrees. Opinions have to have a basis in reality, or else they're open to challenge.
11.) 18 Mar 2024 14:41:30
Says he's over it then continues to rant like a 5 year old child who didn't have things his own way.
Learn to let it go, you can't change it no matter how much you vent on here.
12.) 18 Mar 2024 14:41:57
@Something Red. Thank you backing up that I don’t just turn up when we lose. And I actually respect all opinions. This is what makes the forum what it has grown into. We are allowed to disagree without being disagreeable. Thing is I weren’t being challenged. In fact I got called embarrassing and accused of being a poster that only turns up when we lose and enjoying when we lose (I mean seriously) so I can run some sinister agenda. Which is an absolutely misguided, a strange observation, absurd and not to mention straight up incorrect!
I don’t mind others not agreeing with me, because we can’t all think the same. For example not everyone will agree on what players they like in the squad. That goes for any fanbase. Some fans will say they really like player X and they bring a lot to the team. And others will say player X brings nothing to the table and hinders their play. It’s all opinions at the end of the day and I’m not the all seeing and knowing and can also be wrong in my opinions.
In what I have seen over a few years as I have watched every single one of our games win, lose of draw mind. And I have been left baffled at Klopp’s sub choices quite a few times. On a side note, it was good to get an outside perspective from someone who doesn’t support Liverpool. And when I brought up the fact that Klopp’s subs killed our momentum the City game, Ed25 jumped in and said he also noticed that after watching the game. City were there for the taking but our subs left us playing for a draw towards the end of the game. Again, the team have been superb and so has Klopp. But he ain’t perfect and for me subs are his one weakness if you zoom out of just this season and take last season into account or can even go back further. That’s all I’m saying.
Just want to reiterate that Klopp weren’t solely to blame for the result against City. End product played a major part and Klopp weren’t solely responsible for the result against United, because if our end product was better we would have comfortably won that game. But playing a full strength team 3 days before in essentially a dead rubber game falls on him. And sub choices for me in the United game killed our momentum and that falls on him.
Anyways appreciate the open and respectful discussion even if we don’t agree on some things. Which is how things should be….
13.) 18 Mar 2024 14:55:47
Looks like I touched a nerve Alonso. It’s fine, you’re entitled to your opinion but it’s hard to accept when literally all of the evidence points to the opposite. You’re typical of someone with confirmation bias. You have criticised the sub choices so often that you were desperate for a game where the subs didn’t work so you could say ‘I told you so’. That just doesn’t wash with me.
This whole holier than thou and superfan nonsense is just a red herring. You’re trying to criticise me because in your eyes I’m trying to say I’m above you when that is simply not the case. I just understand that in football, as in any sport things don’t always go your way.
As fans our job is to support the team on the pitch. I understand the frustrations I really do as nobody likes to lose a game especially away at one of your biggest rivals but if you can’t hack it and have to make up bogus reasons as to why it happened then you’re better off not bothering. The team is better off without you.
How can you possibly ask these players and this manager to give you everything when at the first sign of trouble you want to say how rubbish they are and how you could’ve done better?
If you’re a Liverpool fan then own it, win lose or draw. I think the main problem with people nowadays is they can’t handle the gloating of rival fans on social media and so they lash out when things don’t work out exactly as they wanted. They are way too quick to criticise their own team as it allows them to save face, as if to say ‘well it’s not my fault, Klopp’s subs are rubbish’.
Just own it mate, take it on the chin and accept that supporting a football team doesn’t mean winning every week and winning every trophy. We have one trophy in the bag, are joint top of the league and are in the quarter final of the Europa League. I think that’s pretty good for a manager who is limited and makes poor substitutions every week.
14.) 18 Mar 2024 15:42:05
Beckers. It appears we misunderstand each other which is fine. Same way the holy then thou is a red herring, the sub choices so often that you were desperate for a game where the subs didn’t work so you could say ‘I told you so’ is a red herring and don’t wash with me. Im here cheering the team come rain or shine, win or lose and will say you know what, no excuse we got beaten by the better side on the day. Any of the long standing posters who are in the live chat every week can attest to that. And as you’re not in the live chat every week I can see why you have that perception of me, which again is fine.
As for you can’t win every game, being here win, lose or draw I’ll let you settle down as you seem amped up as if you have been storing this up for a while. Then you can read back over everything I have said. You will actually find we are aligned on that. But if you want to point score and be the one that has “won” the argument. Then fine, so be it.
Anyways, I’ll keep it respectful going forward and will leave the holy than thou stuff out and you keep it respectful your end. Plus we both support the same team and even if in your mind you think I want my own team that I have supported since early childhood memory to lose (which I unsure if I find funny or absurd) . So going against each other in not really an open and respectful way serves no purpose. So let’s end by agreeing to disagree and leave the forum to other discussions.
15.) 18 Mar 2024 16:53:18
Nice one, lads. For me, the subs have been great from the off this season so for the one time it does not go well (esp. with the injuries and fatigue we are dealing with right now), not sure it's that big of an effect. As I have said before and I was peeved we lost BUT at the end of the day, the fatigue told at the end on these players minds and bodies after the past weeks playing every 3 days and essentially winning all our games including a Cup at Wembley. Can't cheat nature, Im afraid. It's undefeated for a reason.
That being said, we play Utd again in the PL and that is the game I would have lost my crap had we lost it this way with all the collective and individual mistakes. so not arsed cos well, again, Klopp did not promise me a Quad so ain't arsed about what I was not promised.
Onto Brighton and trust me, that is the BIGGER than this game Utd won even tho, I never want to lose to that wretched lot who are STILL useless regardless of these "big" result.
16.) 18 Mar 2024 18:17:11
Took us time to adjust to United's man marking first half. They were first to every second ball and wouldn't let us settle. Once we did we should have seen the game out. But credit to United they battled on and won the day. Hopefully the boys learned some things yesterday and will put it right in 3 weeks time. I'll take the league win over a cup win.
17.) 18 Mar 2024 21:17:26
It’s fine Alonso, maybe I misread the tone of your post which is always possible with the written word without body language for context.
You posted something above about Gakpo that I whole heartedly agree with so we are not completely on a different page.
I just get frustrated when people don’t realise how good they have it being a Liverpool fan. We are the best club in the world in my opinion and what makes us that is the undying loyalty of our fan base. We are a family and we should always support each other come rain or shine not throw our toys out of the pram when a result doesn’t go the way we wanted.
No problem though mate, I’ve got no problem with you personally and I’m sure we’ll agree on more than we disagree on.
18.) 18 Mar 2024 22:18:45
@Beckers. It’s all good mate. No hard feelings on my side. And you’re right, we do have it good. I just hope we give Klopp the send off he deserves. Here’s to us hopefully winning the treble ?.
19.) 19 Mar 2024 00:47:51
Lack of execution.
When you have so much possession in the opponents final third you have to make it count.
Liverpool were too comfortable in the second half, coasting along.
You can do that when you’re 3-0 up, not 2-1 away from home.
We need better options up front. Sorry Darwin, love your energy but you’re too wasteful. Should be replaced in summer by a new manager with fresh eyes.
20.) 19 Mar 2024 03:45:08
Sorry Ron, I have to disagree with your last statement there. Nunez brings so much more to the team than just goals. He unsettles the opposition defense, which helps our other attackers find the time and space they need. If we want someone who just scores goals, we can go for someone like Haaland. Bangs them in for fun but completely ineffective when he does not get the service he needs.
I believe that getting rid of Nunez would be a major mistake, especially since I just can't see anyone out there who would be an improvement on Nunez.
21.) 19 Mar 2024 08:15:13
Nunez has the ability to be the best striker in the world and is improving all the time.
Selling him now would be absolutely crazy. When Salah goes there’s your 20-30 goal a season man, I’d much rather him be doing that for us than for someone else.
{Ed025's Note - wow that is some statement BP, bulls arses and banjo,s come to mind when i think of him mate.. :)
22.) 19 Mar 2024 09:09:50
He already has 17 goals and 14 assists this season across all competitions Ed, and he must have hit the frame of the goal half as many times. So Beckers' prediction of him being a 20-30 goal striker isn't that far off ;)
{Ed025's Note - i happen to rate him Drac, but "has the ability to be the best striker in the world"....come on!!, talk about over egging mate..
23.) 19 Mar 2024 12:14:10
Ron Keague, oh miss me with the Nunez slander cos it is getting tedious to read now. Seems when we don't win, he is the or one of the scapegoats whereas we all know he is key to the way we attack. Did I also mention that it was his assist that led to the equalizer and it was his shot that got Parried onto Salah for him to score and give us the lead? Absolute tosh, man.
And what chances did he get today that he was wasteful? Seriously, were you watching the game with your eyes wide shut or did you just see the highlight?
Oh and a guy with 17 goals and 13 assists in all comps. is "all energy" and "wasteful". Man, go take a nap cos you sound like a MOTD pundit parroting the same schtick of "Darwin was wasteful" whereas he never was based on the actual game. Pfffftt!
24.) 19 Mar 2024 10:54:23
Watching Suarez in his first 2 years you’d say the same Ed. You’re say the same about Kane in his many loans and early in his Spurs career. Soldado was ahead of him for a season and a half.
Nunez is only in his 4th season of top level football, his rise has been meteoric so it’s inevitable he would need time to adjust.
He’s shown me enough for me to be extremely confident we have a proper player on our hands. I thought it when he was at Benfica and nothing I’ve seen of him at Liverpool changes my mind.
{Ed025's Note - i think hes a very good player BP and frightens the life out of defenders mate, but "has the ability to be the best in the world"....high accolade that for someone who misses so many chances imo..
25.) 19 Mar 2024 14:52:11
We’ll see Ed. I seem to remember you saying something similar about DCL only a few years ago.
I do think Nunez is the real deal though.
{Ed025's Note - time will tell as you say BP. But at the moment he is probably the 3rd best forward at Liverpool mate never mind the world..
26.) 20 Mar 2024 22:06:44
OliRed - just collecting receipts ?.
16 Aug 2023 17:17:14
Ed002, are we not allowed to have a joke on here anymore?
{Ed002's Note - Of course but all of this is demonstrating ignorance or stupidity. We have been through those who think the Saudi PIF are the secret owners of Chelsea, and the many, many fans who think Saudi Arabia is in Europe and we are now on to those that think Liverpool showed interest in and made offers for players before Chelsea.}
09 Aug 2023 23:39:23
@beckerspecker, not as embarrassing as us lowballing Southampton for weeks and then potentially losing out to Chelsea instead of just paying the extra few million!
01 Aug 2023 18:18:29
@MK it is low balling if the selling club say they have no intention of selling below £50m. You may not believe he is worth that much and fair enough but they do and they hold all the cards.
01 Aug 2023 17:20:06
Really looking forward to the £44m bid next week!
01 Aug 2023 14:17:36
And obviously Liverpool know this and continue to send lowball offers knowing they will be rejected. Time is of the essence, the season starts in less than 2 weeks and we are without a recognised number 6!
{Ed025's Note - spot on JK.. hi in
23 Apr 2024 09:08:43
Thanks for the reply Ed001, I do agree aswell regarding Jones. He finally looked like he was nailing down his place in midfield earlier in the season but yet another injury has completely derailed his season and he has come back very rusty, back in his old habit of taking far too long on the ball and getting caught.
{Ed001's Note - it is a shame, I really want him to succeed but he has to stay fit.}
21 Mar 2024 11:16:11
@WDW trust me I get it, I’m just as sick as you are of talking about them, but it seems every single weekend there’s a big decision ruining games. It’s actually quite impressive how many decisions they get wrong with a million cameras covering every single angle of the pitch.
20 Mar 2024 16:46:10
WDW, not saying anything is surely worse? Just accepting it will only allow them to get away with it for longer.
07 Nov 2023 23:55:41
@faithinworks, you clearly didn’t watch the match then! Carragher and Neville were loving it. They were heaping praise on Postecoglu for going for it but let’s be honest, if someone like ten hag tried that he would be absolutely slaughtered for being naive!
28 Aug 2023 14:07:48
And as for Pep, I’ve never known an assistant manager with a vastly over-inflated ego like him. I don’t even know why he’s bragging about the system being his idea though, everyone can see it’s not working!