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07 Oct 2025 07:53:42
hej ed001, hope all is well. You did some manager/ head coach profiles in the past. Could you do one on Arne Slot?
Big thank you for keeping this site up the way it is.
{Ed001's Note - yes mate, he is on the list. And thank you.}
07 Oct 2025 04:56:26
There are numerous issues so far this season, but the one that stands out for me is pace: we don't have any. Well we do (Frimpong, Kerkez) but we don't use any in our play. Our fullbacks seem to invert more times than not (which I hated when Klopp started doing it and still hate now), which removes pace as an asset, and takes up space. I addition none of our forwards are exceedingly quick - I mean they're no slouches, but that super rapid pace that scares defenders? We don't have it. Salah has as lost the lightning burst he had, Gakpo has never been that quick, Ekitike is fast but not over the first yard, ditto for Isak. Young Rio is the only one with that pace and dribbling ability, which is why he's had a bit of an impact despite his age and rawness. The passing is already somewhat lethargic, but that can be improved. A lack of pace individually (and a lack of willing to set the team up to use it) is a big issue, as we are so predictable. I hope the boss recognizes this.
07 Oct 2025 07:32:20
You know what i was thinking something similar although not particularly about pace but about seeing someone who just wants to run at people and go past them.
Diaz did it but other than him Rio is the only player i can think of that does it consistently.
But players like that lose the ball a lot so if Slot wants more control you can understand him not having those tupes of players in his team.
Agree0
07 Oct 2025 07:39:58
I'm not entirely sure our full backs are inverting, Conor does but it's not exactly inverting, it's carrying the ball through the middle of the pitch like an 8 would, and then making underlapping runs off the ball near the box, which is his game anyway. Kerkez and robbo are still getting out wide, but sometimes with no understanding with the left winger, or in the worst case, being hung out to dry on their own that time wirtz started on the left wing and playing as a central 10 anyway.
I think the last few games we're seeing how integral mo being on form is to the way we play. We gamble putting him on the field and having him take up the highest position up the field in build up, and not having to press or track back much, because he is the difference maker when we can find him in space and the opposition full back is caught up the field.
Against Chelsea he got in good positions because cucurella was always marauding up the field, we were looking for him every time. Usually in those situations he will deliver much more often than not, but when he is playing that badly we have all the demerits of giving him that license defensively while having none of the advantages of doing that. I'm going to say it again, an on form Salah wins us that game comfortably, as average as we were for large parts of that game (and Chelsea were actually just as bad, they pressed better than us but they gave the ball away loads too) .
Agree4
07 Oct 2025 07:58:02
Seano agree mate and it’s not just pace of the players but the pace in which we move the ball. Everything seems so slow and laboured and the team look so risk adverse.
The Galatasaray game in particular was an awful one to watch and I’d be surprised if the ball was actually in play more than 40 minutes.
Even the game against Arsenal it felt like both teams had taken a lead out of American football and it was all about set pieces.
This isn’t just us but the modern day PL football where players who can run are more appreciated than actual ballers.
In this day and age the next Ronaldinho, Messi, R9, Cantona, Bergkamp, Okocha’s, Di Canio’s, Le Tissiers etc wouldn’t even get a look in, in modern day Premier league football.
Agree4
07 Oct 2025 08:10:10
The only player who zips a pass and runs into space is Wirtz. His passes are missed because our players are too much on their heels and nobody is picking up his runs.
Then we have Salah. Cucurella admitted that Chelsea had worked on Salah not tracking back in training. They won’t have been the first team and they won’t be the last.
And is it Jota causing his dip in form or is it age? His touch is gone, his pace is gone and his passing is 50/ 50 at best right now. We are technically playing with 10 men from kick off.
Plenty of work for Slot to do over the break.
Agree5
07 Oct 2025 08:35:33
Does anything think the players might be risk averse because Slot digs out anyone that loses the ball publicly? This is one thing I don't like about Slot. I don't mind him hooking players when playing badly but I don't want him telling the world about the missed passes they made to cost us. The team should be set up to defend counter attacks properly and were not. And that is something that is on Slot and not the players for losing the ball when trying a killer pass. Why buy Wirtz and then scare everyone out of passing to him in dangerous areas?
Agree3
07 Oct 2025 09:35:06
You're right about not having quick players but in midfield we seem desperately slow. grav got an extra gear Slob is ok but Jones endo n particularly Macallister is the slowest . I think that is are main problem . the midfield, they don't control the games, very easy to get through usually with one pass like we saw Chelsea score their first , they don't seem to be a cohesion unit . all good players though .
Agree2
{Ed001's Note - Szobo is very quick, as is Grav.}
07 Oct 2025 09:44:22
I don't think the team, in general, is up to pace yet.
A lot of new players, injuries, fitness, a suspension (? ) and form means that winning that winning the transfer window hasn't reaped the rewards we expected so far.
If we get a couple of those that are struggling firing we'll improve massively. If they all do, well.
Obviously we still need to get the balance right. That said, I don't think we had that in midfield last season and we comfortably won the League. This season Wirtz has been added when Mac is woefully out of sorts and Grav and Szob are being moved around.
I think we need someone alongside Grav and that would allow Wirtz and Szob to do what they do best. I'm not sure where this leaves Mac given his current form.
Agree0
07 Oct 2025 09:56:27
A pass will always be faster than a run and we should focus on that. Running speed is one thing but we also need to move the ball faster. The reason why we look so slow this season is not because we lack pace in the squad but we move the ball so slowly. Players take 2-3 touches and look up before they play the pass. That slows us down a lot as it gives teams the chances to get back into shape to defend against us.
On the point about our midfield, I think our best midfield is Grav and Szob, with Wirtz in the 10 ahead of them. I like Macca but he is way of the pace this season so he shouldn't be starting. Him, Jones, and Endo are adequate back-up for now until we have the chance the revisit that position again, either in Jan or the summer.
Agree2
07 Oct 2025 10:16:37
I'm not really sure that's true jk, if anything outstanding one on one players are more valuable than ever because they make a difference when every team is fit enough to press and mark man to man, one player who is a split second ahead of the curve and does something unexpected or who can beat their marker with a feint or dribble can create disorder and space. The difference is that player also needs to be able to press and run themselves and be disciplined positionally off the ball, which many of the named players were not.
Wirtz at Bayer was pretty much that player, a player who could consistently create disorder in the opposing third and who had a system built around giving him the freedom to express himself with two hard working forwards who could drop deep and overlapping wingbacks, but who did his part in the team's off the ball structure. I guess the game is much more systematic now and a maverick player is invaluable, but also has to work cohesively in the context of the team's shape.
Also on the point of slot digging players out, I can agree to some extent, but that's just the kind of man he is, honest and straightforward. It's not often about a pass that goes astray either, he criticised Dom for trying an unnecessary trick on the center circle too, besides that I think there's probably only one other occasion that he's done it that I can remember?
It's true that we are not very well insured for when a pass is misplaced, I would say actually that we can't be characterised as being 'risk averse' if we are sending hospital passes into midfield a few times a game without being in a good shape to cover if things go wrong. I fact in such a situation I'd want us to be a bit more risk averse lol.
Agree1
07 Oct 2025 10:41:50
Pat always enjoy reading your posts but couldn’t disagree more.
Just looking at football only as far back as say 2000-2010 the game was far more exciting and had mavericks all over the place. Wirtz is a good example but for every one player today back in those days and further you could counter argue everyone with 5 players.
Agree3
07 Oct 2025 11:30:24
I'm with Jk23 on this. We had way more mavericks in the game in the 2000s and early 2010s than we do now.
Agree1
07 Oct 2025 12:19:43
Seano, I disagree. There is pace in the team whether it be Frimpong and Kerkez, Grav and Szobo esp. and Gakpo and to some extent Isak and Eketike. So were Diaz and Darwin ep; last season, as well. The pace was there then and it is there now so that is not our issue. Neither do we invert our FB's. The only time we did hat was when Szobo inverted in the second half of the Arsenal game which helped nullify Arsenal's want to overload the midfield and it worked on the occasion he did so.
Having said that, we are not moving the ball with pace, intensity and purpose and that is a separate issue. That has to do with tactics that the manager is putting in place than the pace that is clearly in the team. As for us pressing, we don't press anywhere near last season cos of again, the manager's choices. It's that simple, IMO.
Agree1
07 Oct 2025 12:37:08
Playing hospital passes in to midfield is not taking a risk its being rubbish. If they could pass straight the pass could come straight back to them or the keeper. Taking a risk would be passing through the lines to Wirtz who runs constantly into space. We've seen how he can make a chance with one touch in those areas. Give him the ball in the final third or he's basically just doing the bleep test all game or having to come deep to get it and that's when he thinks he has more time than he does.
Agree3
07 Oct 2025 13:00:06
@Oli - I’ve yet to see our fullbacks, especially on the right, overlap on the outside. Bradley comes in centrally all the time, Kerkez is seemingly told not to run ahead of whoever is LM/ LW. Szobo and Grav. are fast, but I’m talking about that explosive first yard, that pace that worries defenses (think Torres, think Mane, think prime Salah, etc) - it gives opposition things to think about. We could use Frimpong and Kerkez on the overlap to utilize this, but we seem either unwilling or unable to do so.
The system is nullifying a number of players, and isn’t even getting the best out of the others who aren’t nullified. Pace scares defenders, drags them out of position, gives others space - right now we have very few answers to a low block no matter how poor the opponents (Burnley), or that much thrust even when teams don’t play the low block. Instead we pass it around slowly and aimlessly, then lose it and need to get people back to fend off the counter attack. I mean look at the games this season - we’re shipping multiple goals every game, and not even creating all that much. It’s October now and we look no better than we did in August - if anything we look worse. We need a huge improvement in every area if we’re serious about defending our league title, because this is nowhere near good enough, and it hasn’t been all season.
Agree0
07 Oct 2025 14:24:48
Seano, you are making my point for me. The strengths you outline that the players possess, are belong nullified by the way Slot is setting the team up to play. I would love to have overlapping FB's to get forward and assist the widemen esp. on the right cos that will help Salah and provide him with an option while at the same time, forcing the oppo. winger to track back. But we aren't doing that cos they are being restricted to do things they seem not to be able to do
Also, having Szobo in midfield will also help free up Salah as he can burst into the inside channel for Salah to find him or use his run as a decoy to make hay. But guess what, man? We again, can't do any of this cos Szobo is now playing all the way back there at RB.
And the lack of intensity in our ball movement, passing is just dreadful. We aren't taking the game to the oppo. like we did last season and the square pegs in round holes are sucking the freaking life out of me. It's Oct. for sure and not panicking in any way BUT we have to sort things out fundamentally first.
Agree0
07 Oct 2025 16:12:30
ED001 that what I was saying Grav has an extra gear n slob is ok . the rest are all very average speedwise.
Agree0
06 Oct 2025 23:32:01
Eddie001. You've said recently that the slow build up tactic of passing it between the centre backs is to bait the opposition into breaking ranks and finding a gap to penetrate. Question: if you can see this, surely opposition managers can see this too and simply brief their team not to. Time for a change in tactics now, no?
{Ed001's Note - I would say so. I always think fast movement is best as it drags players out of position and doesn't give them time to cover. You don't need players to move fast, the ball should be doing the work. It was always the same when we struggled against low blocks under Klopp, we would move the ball too slowly then as well. That just allows the opposition time to adjust. A bit like crossing early is more dangerous than peeing about doing a Peter Beagrie before crossing it. Possession is only as good as what you do with it.}
07 Oct 2025 00:42:13
my 11 year old made an observation during the Chelsea game. He said that when the defenders are passing the ball sideways inside our own half and then they launch a long ball forward that we lost, it takes Wirtz out of the game. I thought that was quite an astute observation as we'd be more effective working the ball forward and then camping in the opposition half.
at times we had the ball kind of in no man's land about 10-15 yards our side of half way going side to side and then not being ebal to move the ball to put pressure around the box.
Agree4
07 Oct 2025 02:30:15
Thanks for the reply, Ed. You’re right. Speed is the solution. A few games of rock and roll instead of the symphony would be nice.
Low block teams are so well drilled not to do the exact thing this slow build up expects. They’re not going to move out the way and let us pass through them.
If you’re going to play possession based football look at Barcelona from the tikitaka days. Their team was always on the move. After every pass their players moved into space with triangles to allow the guy with the ball three options for a pass.
I hated that tikataka football. It was slow and ponderous and boring. But we’re miles away even from that.
Agree1
07 Oct 2025 06:25:39
Liverpool don’t usually launch the ball forward tho, unless it’s maybe at the feet of our new keeper.
Agree0
07 Oct 2025 07:08:36
Trent is going to win the Balon d’Or.
Agree0
07 Oct 2025 07:32:22
We just need to change the mindset of constantly giving the ball to salah all the time, wirtz is left moving around and being bypassed just so salah gets the ball.
Reminds me of spurs where everything went through Kane, got to use wirtz more that’s why he was bought.
Agree3
07 Oct 2025 08:11:36
The beauty of moving the ball fast is players are reacting and not thinking. They lose their shape and often lose their heads too.
Why do coaches overcomplicate every part of what is essentially a simple game.
Agree1
07 Oct 2025 09:37:34
ED001 Peter Beagrie. not heard that name for a while . remember him beating his man several times with ease bfr attempting a cross . n then he'd try n beat himself bfr crossing it.
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{Ed001's Note - used to drive me mad and so many ex-pros that played with him have moaned to me about not knowing when he would cross so they would end up not making a run at the right time.}
07 Oct 2025 09:46:40
In pre-season we played patches of one-touch football where the movement of the players was great and really exciting to watch. There were triangles of players all over the pitch and there was always an option for a quick pass. I have not seen anything like that since the season started.
We started the season ok going forward but losing all those 2-0 leads seems to have massively knocked the confidence (even though we found a way to win in the end) . These last couple of games we have again started ok but then conceded a needless goal and it has destroyed our confidence. Even then, against Palace and Chelsea we found a way back into the game but the team was set up so attacking that you will always be vulnerable at the back. It's risk/ reward. The opening 5 games it went for us but in the last couple of games it has gone against us. that's football and Slots crazy team setups late in games have won us more points than they have lost us so far.
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07 Oct 2025 12:24:14
Ed01, moving the ball quickly (and effective set pieces) is the best way to break down a low block. No new ground broken in your comment. Well, except for bringing Peter Beegrie back from the stone age. Now that, was a blast from the past.
Agree0
07 Oct 2025 12:43:23
In the chelsea game we had the ball nearly lost it in our pen area managed to pass our way out of danger passed it through midfield then it was passed out to MO who instead of taking on the full back turned towards his own goal passed it to a midfielder who passed it to slobz who passed to our keeper who then booted up the park which was won by chelsea player and they were on the attack . This happened several times so what play book is that out of . YNWA.
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06 Oct 2025 21:14:11
It's crazy Sky sports. The talking Declan Rice for Ballon D'or. No way!
06 Oct 2025 22:17:17
That's Balloon of the Year?
You have already won the Poster!
Agree5
06 Oct 2025 22:35:48
Have you also seen the piece entitled ‘how Maresca turned it around at Chelsea’? Are they serious?
He won one game! In injury time!
It’s a good result for them but it doesn’t mean he’s turned anything around. That’s if it even needed turning around in the first place!
Chelsea are Chelsea. They are capable of beating the very best sides on their day but they won’t be consistent enough to mount a title challenge.
The media just spout nonsense on whatever the flavour of the week is, what surprises me is how many people actually fall for it. I listen to games without the commentary and until you do it you don’t realise how much the commentators ‘opinions’ affect your judgement on how a game is going.
I’ve watched an entire game and thought we played well only to be told by Carra on SkySports how poor we were and how lucky we were to win then my mates echoing everything Carra has said. They literally tell us what to think it’s quite scary really that so many go along with it.
Agree8
06 Oct 2025 23:12:08
Robbo - during the second half, not long before we scored my 11 year old goes - "They're (Chelsea) not very good aye"
he learnt a good listen later in the game after that comment hahahaha
but yeah it sruck me too that they were just ok. Makes it more annoying that we weren't good enough to beat them on the day.
Agree5
06 Oct 2025 23:13:30
to be fair to Carra, he's been beating this drum since the first game since and we'd been winning.
Agree3
07 Oct 2025 12:27:24
Roobo, keep in mind that these same people were the ones saying Maresca was staring down the sack. And anyone echoing a pundits like Carra and Neville are just embarrassing themselves.
Why? Cos when the wind starts blowing the other way, they will change their opinions again and won't be held accountable for saying the opposite earlier. It is what it is.
Agree1
07 Oct 2025 12:58:58
It's embarrassing to just dismiss everything a pundit or journalist says. Especially when you claim not to even follow the media or social media.
Agree1
07 Oct 2025 13:51:33
What commentary do they have on YouTube highlights.
Does Cara and Neville do that as well?
Agree4
06 Oct 2025 19:17:33
It will be interesting to see the extent of Konate's injury in the coming days, if he does play for France and it gets aggravated we might be left with just Virgil and Joe as fit senior centre backs for Man Utd.
06 Oct 2025 19:51:47
I dunno what Joe did to Slot, but he seems to prefer putting players out of position to using him.
Agree10
06 Oct 2025 20:10:52
You said it, SR esp. your last part.
Agree1
06 Oct 2025 20:18:07
If I was Gomez and I was fit sat on the bench and the boss takes off 3 players in the 3 positions I play and prefers to play players out of position in them positions than me I’d hand in my notice.
Agree3
06 Oct 2025 20:22:17
Joe's not had any type of pre season so putting him in early will just end up with him being injured.
Agree1
06 Oct 2025 20:40:52
Slot doesn't rate Gomez and it's not hard to see why.
He's not that good. I reckon Slot was trying to replace Konate in the summer and everyone was up in arms.
As I said to OliRed earlier, Grav goes centre half because he's better on the ball than Konate, Gomez and Endo. He wants someone to pass the ball better and move it quicker when we need a goal.
It's not ideal but we didn't get another centre half in the summer and we need another midfielder that can replace Grav if he drops back into the back four.
Agree5
06 Oct 2025 20:46:33
Didn’t Gomez play 90 mins against Southampton though.
Agree4
06 Oct 2025 21:28:37
Joe's not had a pre-season, yet Mac Alister seems to play and stink up the joint without any pre-season whatsoever.
To me this is similar to when we had that injury crisis in defense in 2020-21. The ship steadied when we started playing CBs at CB because then we stopped playing midfielders out of position and thus weakening the midfield.
Agree6
06 Oct 2025 22:40:18
The problem is that if Konate stays on when we need a goal, we might not weaken the midfield but it won't get the ball anyway. Konate does very little with ball and we might need someone to make something happen. Gomez is at a similar level to Konate in possession.
Add to that us losing the best long passer in the team- if not the League- in the summer and I can understand Slot reacting. Konate and Gomez slow the play down and are incapable of stretching the opposition with their distribution or by carrying the ball out of defence.
Agree1
06 Oct 2025 23:14:34
If Konate is out with injury I really hope Slot doesn't spend the entire international break plotting a way to wind up with Chiesa at CB then he says "people complain when I don't play Chiesa then they complain when I do"
:D.
Agree1
06 Oct 2025 23:29:04
If your tactics rely on your centre back when you need a goal you're getting it all wrong.
Agree2
07 Oct 2025 07:36:16
It's not about relying on your centre back when you need a goal, stoneage. But you can't rely on Konate and Gomez to get things moving when we do need one.
Konate would be less replaceable if he was more solid defensively and we were conceding fewer goals.
Agree1
07 Oct 2025 08:39:35
Gomez was completely crap against Southampton and was outshone by an 18 Yr old on debut. Probably some of the reason Slot doesn't play him.
Agree1
07 Oct 2025 09:55:38
Konate has been abysmal in most games this season (far worse than Gomez v Southampton) . An injury might be a blessing in disguise. We cannot lose Grav from midifield though. If Konate is out give Gomez a run. Failing that stick Endo in there but our midfield doesn't work without Grav.
Agree1
07 Oct 2025 12:35:06
Rigsby, and my retort to you is the same. Im not interested in "progressing the ball" right now. I am interested is us getting back to basics with a solid defence and playing players in their proper positions cos we're in a pretty deep hole here, in case you and Slot are asleep.
Also if Slot wanted a CB who could progress the ball, he would either have tried to sign one or try to convince the legendary Joel Matip to come out of retirement cos he was the best at it.
Instead, Slot is weakening the midfield by putting arguably his best mid. and only DM at CB with a CB on the bench (after moving his other best midfielder to RB with a RN on the bench) cos he "wants to progress the ball" and then puts Endo in the DM role who ironically, can't progress the ball. If you think any of that makes sense then, that's you. Many of the rest of us think that is literal insanity.
Agree0
07 Oct 2025 12:55:49
Surprised no one mentioned Grav in defence last season when slot did it then.
Perhaps illegal streaming was down for those specific games.
Agree2
07 Oct 2025 13:10:47
OliRed, Slot tried to sign Marc Guehi in the summer. It was all over the media. Did you miss it?
So you're not interested in progressing the ball when we were chasing the game at Chelsea? That's when Slot put Grav back into the defence. I suppose we could have gone back to basics. Defenders that can defend. Safety first. Put it in the stand. Even your mate 'Fede' Chiesa would struggle to score like that.
The legendary Matip was the best at progressing the ball, was he?
I take it you never saw Alan Hansen, Paolo Maldini, Rio Ferdinand or Franz Beckenbauer play, then?
And what's that other fellahs name?
Oh yeah, Virgil van Dijk?
The legendary Joel Matip 😂.
Agree1
07 Oct 2025 21:55:01
Rigby, slot and co did try to sign Guehi, but really messed up,
Matip wasn't the best, but he was really good, at his peak, one of the best.
Agree0
08 Oct 2025 07:20:39
Kop that, whether Slot and co messed up trying to Guehi or not is not the point. The point is that they tried to sign another centre half; one that can progress the ball quicker than Konate can.
I liked Matip but he wasn't one of the best at progressing the ball let alone the best. There are/ were loads better than Matip was.
Matip wasn't even the best at Liverpool!
Agree0
06 Oct 2025 14:54:50
The championship winning teams that LFC have had over the years we never changed our system always played our best eleven bought two players a season put them in reserves unless they were to replace first team players we still won leagues and cups.
In the premier league over years they have had so called tinker managers now we have one and it seems to have started the same outcome losing games. I think Arne is over thinking things also taking our eye of the ball over waiting for Isak has not helped.
But i have no doubt Arne will 1. get us back on track and 2. learnt from this lesson.
YNWA.
06 Oct 2025 16:05:25
Arne is about to show us how good he really is, now that he has a world class squad .
Agree4
06 Oct 2025 16:11:57
We’ve done exactly what you’ve said though iwillbered. We’ve replaced first team players who have left. In the case of Diogo it’s an absolute tragedy not a player leaving which left a huge hole that we will probably never fill but if you look at the signings we’ve made they are all replacements for players who are no longer there.
Trent - Frimpong
Tsimikas - Kerkez
Diaz - Wirtz
Diogo - Ekitike
Nunez - Isak
Quansah - Leoni
Kelleher - Mama
Now when you look at that list you’d be hard pressed to find anyone who says that’s not an improvement overall. The only one you could say is the right back area but we’ve got Bradley there who many were saying should’ve played in place of Trent anyway.
The squad is better than it was last season but they’ve just had a tough start culminating in a few extremely narrow defeats over the last week.
I think Slot is trying to manage workloads given the lack of preseason for most players and he’s trying to prevent injuries affecting us later in the season. I honestly don’t see it as tinkering but more necessity. We are not totally fit yet so sending them out all guns blazing would be foolhardy.
Let other teams do that and it might mean losing a few games and coming on strong in the second half of the season but that’s when the trophies are handed out.
If you want to compare with great Liverpool sides of the past I think (and you can correct me if I’m wrong here I’m going by memory) that Kenny’s double winners of 1986 were around 10th place at Christmas but then started firing all the way to the double.
It’s a long season that needs managing in the right way. We can’t let a one week period affect everything it’s just a tiny part of the season where we’ve lost a few games. It doesn’t mean we will continue to lose every game just like winning 3 in a row doesn’t mean you will win every game.
We just need to chill, we have a great squad that will be right up there when the medals are being handed out in May. We are allowing a disappointing week to turn into a disaster in our heads. It’s far from it.
Agree11
06 Oct 2025 17:28:18
Arne Slot problem is lack of courage against the football committee. He should tell committee, I don't need so many new players, he should have courage to shout at Salah to help out in defence or face bench, he should have courage to put Isak on bench and start Ekitike who is on form.
He lacks courage.
Agree0
06 Oct 2025 17:50:34
I think he racks 'ah dissaprin. Dissaprin come from within.
Agree0
06 Oct 2025 17:59:23
I don’t think he lacks courage. He hooked Quansah midway through the first game of the season last year and the boy never saw the daylight. Salah was never good at tracking back, Jurgen had Henderson covering the backside of Salah for an entire decade. The big boys are always going to play no matter who the manager is.
Agree2
06 Oct 2025 18:03:07
Salah had his best season when he was left as the most forward player and not tracking back, or at least I presume last season was his best? Damn good anyway. Salah gets so much stick and we are never happy, I was moaning at him being greedy and not passing! If he had passed and whom ever received the ball missed I would have moaned at him for not shooting.
Agree1
06 Oct 2025 17:52:24
I don't think he lacks courage at all. He benched Salah last week. Slot for sure has his work cut out in the weeks ahead. He's been given a world class squad. Isak Wirtz class players. Slot needs to sort out what's behind them before we'll see the best of them.
Agree2
06 Oct 2025 18:10:50
Robbo
None of the players you have mentioned have proven to be better than their predecessors so far. We all hope they will be tho but that’s another story.
Agree2
06 Oct 2025 18:23:13
Are you still here, Leek? Like an annoying wasp when you're trying to eat food.
Agree1
06 Oct 2025 20:13:59
I’m hardly one for wokemanship myself but someone has to call out Rugby Parker. Completely unnecessary and clearly racially offensive. We are better than that on here folks.
Agree5
06 Oct 2025 20:14:28
Robbo, those players who left have written their names in the annals of the illustrious history of this club. It is up to the new players to emulate the departed ones (including the dearly departed DJ20) in this regard.
We hope they do it if not surpass their achievements BUT at the end of the day, they're going to have to go out there and do it. We all hope they will.
Agree0
06 Oct 2025 20:57:58
Red flag, it's from a South Park episode, direct quote as it was the first thing that came into my head when I read "he lacks courage". Absolutely no offence meant, but apologies if any was caused.
Agree4
06 Oct 2025 21:02:11
Salah has been ghosting in games all season and slot doesn’t bring him off when it is clear that he should bring on Chiesa slot has an agenda against chiesa and rewards Salah by keeping him on the pitch Salah has been a legend for us but is past his best now and he is one of the problems.
Agree2
06 Oct 2025 21:33:19
haven't heard the transfer committee brought up for a while lol
next thing it will be "Arne is a yes man" :D
I don't think Slot is going to stop tinkering, it's what he does.
So i think we'll just be riding this out and hope that team figure it out!
Agree0
06 Oct 2025 23:23:22
Dear God, I hope we win a game soon.
Agree0
06 Oct 2025 23:52:34
I remember Slot not tinkering enough last season and getting knocked out of the CL and losing the League Cup final because of it.
Agree0
07 Oct 2025 01:02:00
Salah did use to track back when he was younger and when he could get up and down the pitch. He helped Trent out a lot in defence back in the day. But his legs have gone and he's no longer able to do that, hence why he stays up top most of the time now. He has adapted his game as time went on to try and prolong his career with us.
But I think the changes on the right have affected his play since he now needs to look up and find players instead of instinctually knowing where the RB, RCM, and ST are now.
Agree0
07 Oct 2025 04:49:39
the problem is amplified because we have Isak who cannot press as well and doesn't track back.
We knew this is going to be an issue and quite a few called out here. we wanted more of a hustle buster with brain and not just king chaos.
Agree1
07 Oct 2025 08:09:19
Would be nice if the same posters who slated Jota and his professionalism for years showed some class now and didn’t keep using his name in vain to receive post likes.
Agree1
07 Oct 2025 11:58:02
Robbosleggs, I understand what you are saying I am not slagging the players or the manager but I was trying to make the point that we would sign two players each season they would go into the reserves and were taught how we played playing against men of their age now we have an under 21 team that has kids as young as 16 playing it is great for the kids but not enough experience against grown men .
The lads we signed this window some of them could have done with a short time in the old reserves because they are finding it difficult to intergrate into the system. The point about tinkering i was trying to make was we have seen managers tinker with their teams and believed it was working two of them actually won the premier league and were sacked the next season for tinkering and getting beaten but and one won premier in first season. I do not want Arne to fall into that trap .
Wirtz when you bring in a player of the caliber of Wirtz you give him the ball let him work his magic you only have to look at enzo at chelsea when he first come people were saying a waste of money look at him now why because when his team mates get the ball first thing they do is look for him instead we look for MO all the time and he has two markers some times three if Wirtz gets the ball early and starts making things happen the opposition will move men on to him leaving MO free . YNWA.
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