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27 May 2019 09:44:12
Eds

Do you know of any interest in Adrian (GK) by Liverpool if Mignolet was to leave?

Thanks

FR.

ForzaRed

{Ed001's Note - no, I don't know of any.}


1.) 27 May 2019 11:15:12
has there been any interest show in mignolet? i am assuming he will go.

i just am not sure who i can think of, bar the emotional choice of reina, who would be a good fit for 2nd choice!

{Ed002's Note - (a) Mignolet is one of two players being considered by Norwich and Brugge are very keen - Liverpool may price him out of a move. (b) David Marshall of Hull.}


2.) 27 May 2019 13:55:08
Thanks Ed2. Hope we let Migs go so he can get a chance to be no1 elsewhere. He's been long enough with us now and even though he hasn't been the best, he's still a red and has served the team to the best of his ability.

{Ed002's Note - It will be driven by the asking price.}


3.) 27 May 2019 14:26:40
thanks Ed, as always a fountain of knowledge!

what is David marshall like, good professional? able to perform at the premiership level?

{Ed002's Note - He has played in the PL with Hull and Cardiff before. He would be about 32 or 33 now. Against him is not being Home Grown.}


4.) 27 May 2019 14:37:20
just noticed Marshall is out of contract in the summer, seems a logical choice!

experienced, HG and free.

{Ed002's Note - He is not HG.}


5.) 27 May 2019 15:42:40
Ah thanks I will retract my HG comment!

Is HG an issue for us at all at the moment?

{Ed002's Note - It depends who the club buy and sell!!}


6.) 28 May 2019 09:30:07
He's 34, Scottish and came up at Celtic so no not home grown.
Chelsea just renewed Willy Caballero's contract, so Rob Green should be available. He's HG and only 39. Please don't!


 

 

10 May 2018 22:24:56
Pub rumour finally.

Zeljko Buvac to be head coach at West Ham next season.

ForzaRed

1.) 11 May 2018 00:34:40
Hey Forza. Hope all is well with you. It's 2:26 a. m here in Uganda, coincidentally I'm in a bar too, sipping with friends and we are talking about Suarez's possible return in the summer and the likelihood that Liverpool will lose it's first home game at the weekend but will win the champions league. Anyhow we are all drunk trying to draw up scenerios😃😃😃.


2.) 11 May 2018 12:20:08
Suarez will not come to liverpool he caused to much agro.


3.) 11 May 2018 12:49:21
if Suarez does come to LFC we win the premiership.


4.) 11 May 2018 14:49:16
Can't stand the man but love the player. If we had him this season we would be top 2 no doubt in my mind. A lot of these draws would have been wins.


5.) 11 May 2018 15:00:15
We had Suarez's best playing years while he was at Liverpool.
We don't want or need him back now he's past his best.


6.) 11 May 2018 17:08:31
He’d be mad to take up any post under those peddlers.


7.) 12 May 2018 01:39:35
Suarez is still a good player but not the world class player he was 18 months ago and the 5/ 6 years prior to that. His baggage and the way he left means he won’t be returning, plus I wouldn’t drop Firmino for him in a month of Sunday’s.


 

 

03 Jan 2018 01:10:00
Depending on how different pieces fall into place, I understand Spurs will consider offers above a certain price for Alli. this is dependent on the availability and price of his replacement (and more likely the summer).

i also understand it's incredibly unlikely Spurs would sell to us (2nd only to Arsenal).

ForzaRed

1.) 03 Jan 2018 03:00:38
I always liked Alli but not sure we need him at the price Tottenham would want for him. Plus we’ll need him to work a little harder in defence rather than playing his free role further forward ahead of two dedicated DMs.


2.) 03 Jan 2018 08:04:46
Can I ask where all these Dele Ali rumours are coming from? How much would spurs want for him £100m plus I would think.


3.) 03 Jan 2018 08:27:34
Grobs24, Alli played in a box to box midfield role for MK before he moved to Spurs. He is more than capable and works very hard for Spurs already. Spurs are the only team who press as hard as we do, in Europe. The only worry i would have is that Alli and Keita in midfield might be a little hot headed. Both have a tendency to make naughty tackles every so often.

Having said that though, perhaps we've missed that nastiness in midfield? We haven't had a couple of tough tacklers since 2009 when we had Gerrard and Mascherano nailing people all over the park 😂 I'm forever hearing about an apparent lack of steel. You throw the aggressive pressing of Ox, Firmino and Lallana alongside that duo and it'll be a blood bath every weekend!


4.) 03 Jan 2018 09:09:42
Agree MK - think he could do it, but it would definitely require an adjustment from his current role. In fact, I would bet he’d be very good at it once he’d adjusted (as Ox seems to have done), but I also agree I think Keita will give us exactly that already hence why we don’t need him.


5.) 03 Jan 2018 09:33:57
Forget alli. I think isco from Madrid would be an ideal couts replacement. great holding on to the ball and and can pick a pass. exactly what we need trust me 😜.


6.) 03 Jan 2018 09:48:53
I really think there are better options than Ali. Thankfully, Ali to Liverpool will not happen.


7.) 03 Jan 2018 09:55:12
I’d rather Eriksen than Alli, infinitely better footballer without the propensity to lose his rag.


8.) 03 Jan 2018 09:55:39
I know an MK Dons season ticket holder who watched him come through and he told me after Alli's first season at Spurs that they were wasting him. He swears blind that Alli has the potential to be as good as Zidane in central midfield, and that playing him in what is basically a Lampard type role off a striker, wastes his ability to dictate the game. I only watched him once at MK Dons (more of a Cobbler, myself) and i have to say, as a midfielder he looked closer in terms of style to Vidal than Zidane in my opinion, but i didn't watch him live 20+ times like my friend did.

I've heard that a lot of coaches at MK Dons even thought he could end up as a holding midfielder because of his tenacity and stature. He's very versatile. He also links up well with Lallana when i see them play together in an England shirt. So i wouldn't be against the signing. I still don't think there is any truth in it whatsoever. You know how it is. Get linked with Goretzka, Alli and Ceballos. Sign Rafinha instead!


9.) 03 Jan 2018 10:03:49
with Coutinho money we should get Toby Alderweirld abd Oblak for nex season we don't need to replace him we have Keita Grujic Ox.


10.) 03 Jan 2018 10:31:29
Spurs players I will go for Son, Alderweirld or Kane.


11.) 03 Jan 2018 12:05:20
Actually agree with you for once LKY! Not sure we need Son but very very good player, the other two would definitely strengthen us, as would Vertonghen and Lloris.


12.) 04 Jan 2018 00:24:12
Negotiate with Daniel Levy? No thanks 🤯

I don’t know how anyone can compare Alli with Zidane, someone in MK has been smoking far too much 👨‍🚀.


13.) 04 Jan 2018 06:38:48
Would need to sign a second player to cover all the time he us banned when his protected status goes and he gets the red cards he should be getting. Talented but petulant and nasty in some of his on pitch behaviour.


 

 

04 May 2016 22:40:00
Ed001, ed002 and posters. Any championship players that could make the jump to a premier league side over the summer (aside from the ones being promoted to cut the witty jokes out! ) .

Ed002 i think you posted on a different site saying LFC had looked at Dack from Gillingham. Is there any update on that?

Dont see as many players stepping up as we used to, certainly none that aren't "wonderkids" like oxlade and alli.
Cheers.

ForzaRed

{Ed002's Note - Gillingham's Bradley Dack has drawn scouts from Bristol City, Crystal Palace, Newcastle, Arsenal, Brighton, Liverpool, Ipswich Town and Spurs to watch him this season. Gillingham rejected an offer from Bristol City in January. Liverpool are certainly interested and Dack did manage a couple of goals when watched by Liverpool and Ipswich representatives. Crystal Palace have made their interest known to Gillingham and I would not be surprised to see a premier league offer for Dickory in the summer.}


1.) 05 May 2016 13:27:42
why does it seem like we're only ever interested in midfielders?


 

 

29 Apr 2016 14:25:56
Hi Eds

Is Oxlade Chamberlain moving this summer and do we have any interest?

Checked on the arsenal page and saw that ed002 has had to stop posting there because of rude users- hopefully the idiots on here will not ruin the page for us.

Thanks.

ForzaRed

{Ed002's Note - Arsenal have some specific targets which sees the club more than happy to move on AOC this summer. They are chasing a long list of young players from mainland Europe as they have to keep an eye on the longer term home grown status of players and have some more immediate targets that means they have to make some room in the squad. There has been a direct approach from one club and discussions with West Ham that involved another player - but that has gone nowhere. I suspect others will look at him but I don't know of any Liverpool interest in him.}


1.) 29 Apr 2016 16:19:38
I'd hope we avoid Oxlade Chamberlain as he has no end product and would be over priced. Same as Walcott, both colossal wastes of money and bang average.


2.) 29 Apr 2016 17:57:47
Like him as a player but too injury prone to consider buying.


3.) 29 Apr 2016 21:05:29
Are there any players which are targeted by both Liverpool and Arsenal? In other words - will both clubs be competing against each other in the market again this summer? I'm asking because I've heard Klopp is still very keen on Xhaka.

{Ed002's Note - I have explained the players Liverpool are keen on. Arsenal has two distinct sets of targets with particular attention being given to a lot of youngsters from across Europe - they have a "hit list" if you will. Again, they have some interesting high-profile players that they are looking to. But this is not the page to discuss the detail of the Arsenal targets. There has been no interest offically shown by Liverpool in Xhaka.}


 

 

 

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25 Jun 2019 10:33:12
Eds and Reds

Banter post please-

Which premier league player do you think would improve the team and is feasible?

I think Son for the first team and Ayoze Perez for the squad.

ForzaRed

1.) 25 Jun 2019 11:02:55
Would son improve the first team? A good player but plays in a position where we are arguably strongest.

{Ed002's Note - The problem with these fantasy questions is there is no mention of who he would replace - assumed in this case to be Firmino.}


2.) 25 Jun 2019 11:10:19
I'm actually struggling here with this. I think our back 5 are perfect as they are. Our front 3 have proved they are up there with the best in the world.

Wouldn't swap fabino for anyone. Henderson. Gini Milner all perfect for the box to box role. So if keita and ox can provide a good number of goals and assists from the advanced cm role I think its more about options from the bench than starters.

I'd say son myself. Or max arrons from Norwich to cover left and right back?


3.) 25 Jun 2019 11:21:32
I would take Bernardo Silva or KDB any time over are more forward midfielders. Fabiano or Kant is very close I think Kant gets round the pitch better but Fabiano is by far better in the air so would just leave Fabiano with age being on his side. Kane over Bobby would be close for Kane's goals but not sure how it would affect the way we played.


4.) 25 Jun 2019 11:49:16
De Bruyne would be perfect for our front 3.


5.) 25 Jun 2019 12:04:02
Not in a thousand billion years would i swap harry kane for roberto firmino.

Yes, kane scores lots of goals, he gets most of spurs goals. But our goals come from our wingers, mane and salah. And that is down to bobby in large part. And hey, the lad always gets double figures, with a wc creative mid he scores 20+. He is technically better than kane and has that brazilian flair that kane lacks.

Dont get me wrong, kane is a brilliant forward. You don't smash records at his age if you're not. But i think i may be in love with bobby dazzler. Especially with that red hair.

But back to the question

It would be easy to say bernado silva and kdb. Or Son or erikson. But i love our midfield. Its a horrible question so i agree that i would pick squad players pushing for a start.

I agree with john Aldridge that zaha could thrive at liverpool, only thing with that is he operates on the same side as mane AND origi (whom i am also in love with, been a weird summer) that said, all three players are versatile and i think origi, with his new found confidence and legend status could cover well at cf.
And id take ben chillwell. To cover lb and push robbo that extra 40% that klopp believes (and i do too) he has in him.

We have a brilliant team, we don't really need to sign anyone but with ds am and sm all looking to leave or gone those are the 2 premier league players id pick. And id grab pepe reina as back up keeper. Gks get injured and the gap between alisson and migs is frightening. We need someone who can come in and play well. If its a prem gk i have to pick id go for young nick pope.


6.) 25 Jun 2019 12:11:05
and is feasible? B Silva and KDB are not.

Maddison or Brooks probably for me.


7.) 25 Jun 2019 12:59:36
Son wouldn't be good enough to replace Bobby if Bobby was to go, which won't happen. if it did we would need an elite level player to replace him, which isn't Son.


8.) 25 Jun 2019 13:04:12
At the moment, I wouldnt swap our back five for any prem player, neither our front three - maybe there are better players but not for us. If you play Fabinho as holding and then one box to box and one more attacking minded player. Hendo and Gini deserve a spot so one can fill that role, so just an AM for me. Bernardo would be perfect but unrealistic. Not sure who is achievable in the prem that would be better than the ox or Keita in a more attacking role.


9.) 25 Jun 2019 13:19:27
I would probably pick ox to come back. nd maybe some explosive sub to run at tire legs. and a cb incase there is a cascade injury. or maybe sepp is d answer for that. well wow. in future sep hoever nd gomez? (???) ?.

{Ed002's Note - He is a child and will be attending school and training part time.}


10.) 25 Jun 2019 13:35:18
I don't think there's any realistic PL signings we could make that would improve the 1st eleven. Bernardo Silva would be the player I would sign if we could, but we can't.

For the squad, any young, talented full back that we could get for less than 15m.


11.) 25 Jun 2019 14:11:07
I think jorghinio would be good for us. Joined the wrong team.


12.) 25 Jun 2019 15:32:00
Jorginho is woeful and not what we need. Cant press or tackle.


13.) 25 Jun 2019 19:06:08
Remember it's fantasy before you have an aneurysm. It would help if you gave a player out for your in.

Etheridge > Mignolet (if he wanted out)

Zaha > Origi

Pogba > Keita

Milivojevic > Lallana

Sane > Salah (if he wanted out)


14.) 26 Jun 2019 13:50:36
Thats a joke BG, right?

Pogba for keita?

Zaha for origi?

Sane for salah? (play on opposite sides btw)

And i don't understand why Son would be considered a Firmino replacement. Bobby is a CF and false 9. Son is a winger isn't he? If anything id have thought Son would be a salah replacement. And actually if we did lose mo next summer, i can't think of that many players who id prefer to fill his boots than Son. (if he is left footed, not sure if he is)


 

 

04 Jun 2019 13:49:17
Ed001

Do you think Liverpool would look to any experienced players as squad options or will the focus be on young players?

Thanks

FR.

ForzaRed

{Ed001's Note - it depends on the position and our need plus who is available.}


1.) 04 Jun 2019 17:09:36
I would definitely expect an experienced GK to come in if Migs leaves.

I think, as with Milner and (further back) Gary Mac, if the right sort of player comes available, I'm sure they'd be spoken to.

I think when Alonso left RM (if memory serves) Rodgers was in charge. If Klopp was there, he may have considered him at that time, as he was still a very effective contributor to Bayern for a couple of years. That sort of transfer - experience and still the right skill set for our current set up, probably on a free - would no doubt see an experienced head come in.

Also, if we have growth opportunities for more junior players who are not quite ready, a senior person who's not expecting to be a starter for the next 5 years would be a good way to integrate new blood into the team.


 

 

15 May 2019 19:26:44
Hi Ed002

David Ornstein (BBC) is reporting Tuchel is kern on Firmimo. Do you kmow if that is correct?

Thank you

FR.

ForzaRed

{Ed002's Note - To join Tuchel where?}


1.) 15 May 2019 20:09:04
He's also reporting that we can't spend more than 13mil on a player this summer. may as well look in league 2.


 

 

07 May 2019 23:48:36
Time to bring this one out I guess.

"Bring on your Interpersononale,

Bring on your Roma by the score,

Barcelona, Real Madrid,

Who you trying to kid,

Because Liverpool are the team that we adore. "

ForzaRed

 

 

30 Apr 2019 23:00:07
Question for Ed002 please

Pkease could you explain how "release clauses" work?

Thank you.

ForzaRed

{Ed002's Note - Perhaps a reminder about transfer related clauses would be apt. This is a horribly complex area not least because they are written under individual national laws. They cause a great deal of misunderstanding with football supporters and the media alike.

The "buy out clause" is legally binding between a club and a player. The "buy out" is effectively what it says - a means for the player to buy himself out of the contract. As an example, if a player wishes to buy himself out of a contract, he pays the applicable FA (on behalf of the club) the amount of the "buy out" clause effectively becoming a free agent. The problem is that in most cases a player would need to obtain that money from the buying club - and this is fraught with issues regarding "tapping up" and, of course, taxation (as it can be seen as income for the player and would therefore be subject to income tax). There was a test case about the taxation issue in Spain about five years ago which is why they have an exception. All players in Spain and Portugal have a clause that allows the player to buy himself out of his contract without tax implications. This was to address a ruling from around 30 years ago allowing players a way out of their contracts. The other notable point about Spain and Portugal is that the clauses if invoked by a non Iberian club need to be paid in full by the player (there are local rules that stop tax being due) but by needing to put up 100% of the money upfront would end many transfers then and there. It works differently in Iberia to elsewhere as the tax implications do not make such clauses viable. All players in Iberia must have a figure set and agreed with the club. So "buy out" clauses are very rare. Related to this is the Webster Ruling but I don't intend to go in to that now.

A "release clause" is far more common in that it gives a figure that the club would accept for the sale of a player to another club - but it is not legally binding except where both parties (clubs) are in the same country (for the sake of argument I should say that football Spain and Portugal count as the same country as do England and Wales) for legal purposes. These are normally unreasonably high figures (Messi at Barcelona for example) introduced to act as a deterrent for hostile bids - and even then the club could easily block a move. However, if a club in the same country does agree to match a release clause then the selling club would be obliged to ask the player if he is interested - there is no obligation on the player to make a move. For interested clubs outside of the country, the selling club may use it as a guide but are under obligation to accept a bid and may demand a higher figure.

There is then the becoming popular "termination clause" which is binding between the player and the club and if met would see an offer from anywhere accepted and the player given the opportunity to make a call on a move. This overcomes the issues associated with "buy out" clauses as the money would be paid by one club to another and about the legal proximity of the buying side.}


1.) 30 Apr 2019 23:16:26
Brilliant Ed. Thank you for that. Very interesting.


2.) 01 May 2019 06:30:57
A timely reminder thanks edd 2.


3.) 01 May 2019 08:43:53
Just wanted to say thank you for your consistent insight and knowledge you share Ed. I've tried to explain some of the issues you've brought up before such as the breakdown of actual fees as opposed to just a transfer fee and also the differences in contract clauses and who they may apply to.

Most throw it to the side or do not understand, but I thought I'd take this chance to say I sincerely appreciate it and you and ed001 have expanded my knowledge of the game no end!

Have a great day and enjoy the match if you're going to be watching!

{Ed002's Note - Thanks Shane, you enjoy your day as well. And good luck with the match.}


4.) 01 May 2019 10:28:46
Very well said Shane.


5.) 02 May 2019 14:10:46
Brilliant answer Ed002, thank you.
Even written in a way that someone like me who is (or should I now say was) completely clueless about the subject can understand it perfectly.
Perhaps this should be forwarded on to certain parts of the media so that they stop writing absolute nonsense.


 

 

 

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21 May 2019 22:43:53
Eds do you know if Lallana will move on?

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{Ed001's Note - he would like to go back down south, so it is very possible.}


 

 

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09 Jan 2018 00:22:22
(f), (g) and (h) is recoverable dependent on the contractual obligations and wording. I provide input on the structure of transactions specifically to allow this.

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07 Jan 2018 17:36:10
Has Liverpool looked at Rulli? isn't he doing quite well at Sociedad?

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02 Jan 2018 23:53:03
Clyne kept himself off the nosebeers then?

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23 Jul 2017 09:46:30
Great pub, not too far from my office.

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{Ed002's Note - Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese nearby was better but used to get very, very busy.}


 

 

 

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18 Mar 2019 22:48:50
Thanks Ed002

Whats the difference to the accounts due for FFP and the accounts submitted to the relevant body (for example Companies House in the United Kingdom)?

Thanks

FR.

ForzaRed

{Ed002's Note - The FFP accounts only deal with matters related to FFP and deductions relevant to FFP, so they are like a subset.}


 

 

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17 Jan 2018 16:32:46
Aquilani had a portion of his contract paid out when we moved him on.

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02 Jan 2018 11:01:04
The car is TB2 whose Captain was called Virgil something.

Calm down.

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21 Jul 2017 18:34:16
Virgil van Stryk.

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21 Jul 2017 17:27:21
#freeVVD.

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