Liverpool banter 3

20 Oct 2025 18:13:16
If things don’t improve, what's the chance of Jurgen Klopp coming back?

20 Oct 2025 18:30:30
Haha, are you a united fan in disguise

What is all this bollox about changing you're manager

Talk about desperate.

20 Oct 2025 18:34:01
Don’t be silly. I love Klopp he’s an absolute legend but he’s gone and we have moved on.

Talk of new managers is more than just a little ridiculous.

If we become a club that sacks a manager 5 months after he won the title then we are in big trouble.

20 Oct 2025 18:34:40
Slightly less than zero.

20 Oct 2025 18:36:06
Genuinely can't believe we're talking about sacking a league winning manager in October.

20 Oct 2025 18:36:51
I mean seriously. Rodgers got more patience from the fans than this, and he didn't win anything.

Sorry for the double post.

20 Oct 2025 18:51:48
In fairness SR I don't think many people had much hope or expectation when Rodgers was manager, save one great season driven mainly by Suarez's brilliance.
Klopp revived us back into a team that fans now expect will be competitive every game, and when you look at the names in that squad list, I think it's fair enough the be critical of a style of play that quite obviously isn't working.

20 Oct 2025 19:34:08
Rogers was Naff, most of our players were Naff.

We’ve got a world class manager and a World class squad. We shouldn’t be losing 4 games in a row at all, it’s not good enough.

20 Oct 2025 19:38:33
Westwood, there's critique and then there's "Well, if we sack Slot, then etc. etc. "

20 Oct 2025 20:23:10
We’re a tough watch at the moment and the early wins were papering over the cracks of the performances.

Slot has earned the right to be given time though. He definitely has to change something or I can’t see performances changing and results will be up and down.

20 Oct 2025 20:43:50
Coming back to do what?

20 Oct 2025 20:45:01
And you're right, SR. I remember on this same forum people who were fighting for BR to be kept and for Klopp not to be hired when the links with him were getting rife. BR should have gone way ealier than he did, IMO.

20 Oct 2025 21:13:24
When you walk through a storm….

20 Oct 2025 21:16:33
And I remember OliRed saying that Klopp should have gone two years before he did. Before he rebuilt the team that won the League under Slot last season.

20 Oct 2025 21:09:45
I can’t remember one poster fighting for Rodger’s to be kept.

20 Oct 2025 21:48:57
Westwood666, best post since that defeat on Sunday.

20 Oct 2025 22:28:16
Cant remember anyone not on board when Klopp rumours were rife . Rodgers should have went when we lost 6-1 to Stoke.

20 Oct 2025 22:49:15
Me neither, Irish.

20 Oct 2025 23:54:06
Nobody wants to see Slot fail. I think he has shown enough that he can turn this around.

But there are certainly worrying signs that he may have lost the dressing room? If we as fans are asking why on earth Kerkez is starting over Robbo then surely the players are questioning this too?

In slot we trust. But if we lose another few on the bounce then the pressure is on. and if Klopp was interested then after losing Jota maybe his influence is what the squad needs right now.

21 Oct 2025 05:46:45
Bmena obviously we don't want to see Slot fail but we do want to see him change things or my guess is that he will fail. Last season's Slot made tactical changes and tough decisions like taking Quansah off at Ipswich. He's not shown the loyalty (if you like) that Klopp showed in keeping players too long (the opinions on here) .

What we need to see from Slot now are clear tactical changes. It's not the fault of Kerkez that he's ahead of Robbo so that shouldn't upset the players. Kerkez was outstanding at Bournemouth and he himself is frustrated at his role thus far with us after reading his comments last week. He's not playing well so why is he playing and Frimpong is not? All good questions a presser should ask Slot. I know that I'd like to know.

Klopp seems to have fostered a harmonious dressing room and we seemed to have that last season. I think it's a big part of our success over the years. If there are "issues" developing then I can see how the players might point fingers at Slot.

There are certainly 4-5 players I can think of that have good reason to have beef with Slot at the minute. Some would be those not playing some would be players that seem like Slot favourites who aren't playing well. So reasons are both tactical and player pref.

Lots that we don't know and we all banter and speculate. But the bottom line is that we love the club and want to see the manager and the players win and win convincingly and not the way we've been accustomed to winning in the last 15 months ie by 1 goal and games going down to the wire. We need to be smashing teams with the players we have.

21 Oct 2025 10:46:49
That is bold face lie, Rigsby. Not surprised, btw.

21 Oct 2025 11:03:59
IR, cos you can't remember something has never meant it did not happen cos I remember the actual comments that were made to this effect. You're not the oracle of this forum, btw.

21 Oct 2025 11:14:22
Which posters said it then?

21 Oct 2025 12:16:40
Oh you said it, OliRed. I remember it.
You've even mentioned the disaster of Klopp's 22/ 23 season today. At the end or during that season you agreed that Klopp should have gone twelve months before.

You not remembering saying it doesn't mean you didn't say it.
Irish never said that it didn't happen about Rodgers, either. He said he doesn't remember it.
As JK asked, who did say it, then?

20 Oct 2025 18:10:48


PatrikBurgher has written an article entitled, I'm Confident That Arne Slot Can Turn Liverpool FC Around

21 Oct 2025 07:15:52
I agree mate, one of the biggest problems has been persisting with a half-fit MacAllister in midfield, should be Szoboszlai and Grav as the two

Play Frimpong and Kerkez, will rotate obviously at times for Robbo and Bradley, but let them two give the width we lack - I do believe Salah and Frimpong can be very good together and Frimpong does put some lovely balls into the box tbf

Isak just not match fit either, like MacAllister, bring him on for the last 20-30 mins a match and let him build up that sharpness

Konate has been a liability this season, shame TYLFP got injured we may have seen more of him but surely you would have started Gomez a game or two - not sure what's going on there

Salah also woefully out of form though I do think having Frimpong provide the width would get more out of Salah but what else does Chiesa have to do to get a start? Salah's form will return but use Chiesa to help.

20 Oct 2025
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20 Oct 2025 18:12:38
That gaping big hole in the middle is a shocker.

20 Oct 2025 18:30:56
This is absolutely crazy. They must have thought something while coming up and with strategy. May be they were expecting Macca to be flash.

20 Oct 2025 18:56:55
The hole in itself is not the problem the problem is that our players on the edge of it ie macca, Dom and grav aren’t then showing for the ball and receiving it. We’re the worst team I’ve seen play out from the back in quite a while. It used to be because konate would get left to have the ball by the opposition and he was shocking on it but in the last couple of games he’s been better at it. Our players don’t currently trust each other to receive the ball with a man at their back and keep it so they’re playing too deliberately. Then you have players like salah who doesn’t seem to understand having controlled, settled possession of the ball and often hopefully turns the ball round corners hoping someone else can link onto where ever his “pass” goes. We were obviously trying to occupy their back 5 with numbers in between them but they blocked the center and we couldn’t play through due to lack of quality and good movement. Then we played wide to Bradley and kerkez two players out of form and low on confidence and they were then pressed from the center block leading them to often pass backwards or to salah who lost it or gakpo who was wasteful of the chances he got but looked the most likely of our attackers.

20 Oct 2025 19:14:52
Completely Champions
We’ve gone from having Fab, Hendo and Gini rotating to get into the ball from CB or FB to naturally no options to play out from the back
Which- given the quality we have in midfield- I think can’t be anything other than being asked to do something other than being the obvious option to receive a pass.

20 Oct 2025 19:15:31
What's the point wanting ball playing defenders if there's no midfield to pass to? Shocking approach to the game in my admittedly limited and amateur opinion.

20 Oct 2025 20:48:56
FlyPelicanFly, I saw a shot of the same doughnut in midfield live (and that's not eventhe one you provided) and could not believe what my eayes were seeing.

Seriously, who on this earth thinks this is a good idea? I've heard of galaxy-brain and all that but this is freaking ridiculous.

20 Oct 2025 21:45:40
Surely someone has just taken a snapshot of a moment when there was no one in the centre circle. We don’t play like that! That’s been manufactured to suit a narrative.

If I remember rightly Grav is constantly in the centre circle to receive the ball from the back 4.

I’m going to watch out for it though.

21 Oct 2025 01:47:38
You are correct robbo, grav was constantly there to receive, but his midfield friends were by then in another postal code all the way up the field in the trenches of the low block.

21 Oct 2025 09:54:13
I'm no coach but that set up just looks cracked to me! No wonder we're failing badly. If they're planning on giving this time to work we're fairly well fff'd for this season. If there's one positive then perhaps and hopefully Sunday will have put paid to the end of this!

20 Oct 2025 17:09:49
Hello fellow reds,
Been reading a lot of the comments on here an just wanted give my take. Its not slots fault the players are not performing or finishing, yesterday we hit the woodwork 3 times, isak 1 on 1, salah 1 on 1, there was also a pass on, our final ball has been terrible last few games, I mean is that really slots fault? What i do think he needs look at is the fullbacks, they're strength is bombing forward an overlapping an putting in crosses, which we only really seen frimpong do. Kerkez strength is not to stay back, remember him at bournemouth last year, looks a complete different player this year as im guessing he has been asked to curb his attacking instincts. I see why he is playing szobo there but he is not a right back, slot needs just play Bradley or frimpong and let them play they're natural game. Our midfield should be a trio based on fitness and performance, mcallister is not up to speed, maybe need jones in or wirtz an play 2 mids in a double pivot live gravy an szobo. Also what I don't like is the slow play, why are we constantly playing back when we should be going forward an putting the opponent under pressure! So the above is on slots as im guessing their his tactics.
The players have not become bad overnight, give it time and keep the faith, Im my opinion salah, wirtz, isak an ekitike should be starting to build chemistry an teamwork.
I know its ifs an buts, but from all our losses we deserved to lose to palace, the rest based on chances we should have won, but we didn't and we move on. I think slot has done enough to warrant some trust and time to get it right.

20 Oct 2025 17:33:05
We probably didn't get a huge amount of luck yesterday - but with the players we have we shouldn't need luck against that UTD side. You can also flip it - we were very lucky to pick up 15/ 15 from our first five games that so easily could have been 7 or 8 points for my money. That midfield set up yesterday was one of the weirdest things I've seen which meant in the 1st half we were outnumbered in midfield against a team who get outnumbered in midfield every week!

20 Oct 2025 19:18:28
You always need luck Thomo. If you look at the game we’ve hit the post 3 times and each time there were more LFC players there for the rebound the Man U players but it just fell to them every time.

Mbeumo hit a shot at the end and it ricochets straight to Fernandes. Could’ve gone anywhere.

Mike Oliver looked straight at Macca on the floor holding his head and decided not to stop the game. On another day the ref does the right thing and they don’t score.

Szob takes a quick free kick and Dorgu sticks his leg out to block it from 4 yards away. The free kick should be retaken and Dorgu booked but Oliver plays on and gives us a throw in our own defensive third which ultimately leads to them winning a corner which leads to the goal.

In those incidents we all know we could and should’ve done better, it’s no excuse but when luck is on your side they fall the other way and we win the game with ease.

Utd were extremely lucky to win the game and we were unlucky to lose it but them’s the breaks. That’s football, you have to take your chances so that luck doesn’t matter and we didn’t do that so we allowed the lucky breaks Utd got to be decisive.

20 Oct 2025 19:42:13
I am with Robboslegs, unless you are good enough to beat every team that you play 5-0 (like City were a couple of years ago, then you need an amount of good luck to win games, and you need a huge amount of good luck to win a lot of games (like we had in the first five games.


I do believe that with the players that we now have, we can beat teams 5-0 when they all gel, until then keep fingers crossed guys.
YNWA.

20 Oct 2025 19:54:36
I'm surprised how little has been made of the fact the ref claims to have not seen it was a head injury, despite the fact he's looking straight at it and even after he's on the floor the ball is right by mccalister and the ref is still looking in the direction, even the build up for the second goal maguire takes an arm to the face the ref sees it and waves play on.


Two penalty shouts not much made of them either on vvd for shirts pulls, when heading the ball on corners, which has all of a sudden stopped being given.

20 Oct 2025 20:51:00
You can't get lucky if you are first of all, not helping yourself. We are not helping ourselves in any way so don't expect any luck to come your way when you need it.

In fact, bad luck will befall you, first. Our first goal is the biggest example, IMO.

20 Oct 2025 15:40:02
Ed001
What exactly is the point of voiding the midfield circle when in possession? Why are they pushing Macca that far up?

{Ed001's Note - to push the opposition back and give space for someone to hit a killer ball, unfortunately you need Trent for that to work and we don't have him.}

20 Oct 2025 16:42:49
I'd like to see us use a diamond next game
Mama
Bradley konate vvd kerkez
Endo
Sob Jones
Wirtz
Isak ekitike
Use the full backs for with and have endo there for protection at the back.

20 Oct 2025 16:52:54
I agree Gmil.

If we’re point blank refusing to use Chiesa, hell bent on playing the out of form players, then I see no other option than to change shape.

Something has to change, it HAS to, we can’t keep doing the same thing or we’ll lose every single game until he’s eventually Sacked.

20 Oct 2025 19:12:13
We used Chiesa yesterday.
And I'll ask again, when was the last time Chiesa played 90 minutes? Does anyone know?
It happens a lot when we have a bad result or run of bad results that people want those not playing in the team. If they're not playing or playing a full game then they can't be to blame but would the outcome be any different?
Maybe it would but I've seen enough of the likes of Jones, Chiesa and Endo to know that they are not guaranteed starters.

Salah has been terrible this season but I wouldn't be dropping him for Chiesa.
Not yet anyway.

20 Oct 2025 19:19:07
Ed001- if we push the opposition back that killer pass is almost impossible
Need to rotate the ball quickly around the back and then hit the pass - after drawing opponents out

This is why I just don’t get out current way of playing - it’s like we are in between styles and failing at it.

{Ed001's Note - I don't like it mate, it leaves us so open to a counter as well.}

20 Oct 2025 21:01:09
Rigsby, that's the wrong question here. He hasn't played 90 mins cos Slot won't pick him to start cos he is trying to play under-performing players into form, which is killing us. That's a fact. Chiesa and Jones (Endo is diff. cos he has played less this season) playing and is performing when they come on hence, why people are saying he deserves to start to see what he can do from the off.

You say we don't know if the result will be diff. if he and Jones start BUT we will never know unless they start right? So give them a go and see what can happen.

And nobody is saying he is the saviour cos no one's is coming to save us here. I just think we need a spark/ jolt of new energy to jump start the team cos they are really down. So why not start them both?

20 Oct 2025 23:14:14
Slot wasn't playing these players back into form last season, was he, OliRed?
Chiesa started one League game last season. We'd already won the title, we lost the game and he was substituted.
Do you really think Chiesa is performing when he comes on? He was poor on Sunday.
I don't buy all this 'they couldn't do any worse' because they can. And I don't buy all this 'we'll never know until they start' either. I've watched Chiesa and Jones for a long time and I know what they can and can't do. And I know that Slot knows a lot more than me, too. Look at Chiesa and Jones's figures from last season.

I'll ask again: when was the last time Chiesa played 90 minutes? You don't want underperforming players to be picked but you want someone with hardly any form to be picked in the hope that they can suddenly improve on what they have done for the past few seasons.
Hope is all it is.

20 Oct 2025 14:12:29
Hi eds, have you seen klopps interview with Steven Bartlett (thediaryofaceo) based on klopp confirming that he could coach us again one day, do you think it's possible we could see a return say end of the season if slot is unable to turn things around? I'm very surprised he didn't rule it out as I thought he was done with management. Do you think he feels he still has some unfinished business at the club?

{Ed001's Note - I would be surprised, unless it is with the legends team.}

20 Oct 2025 17:27:36
Thanks ed1, would you want to see him
Come back?

{Ed001's Note - no, he had pretty much handed over the reins the last few years, need a manager to be all in, not half-arsed.}

20 Oct 2025 17:43:58
Think Klopp said it was possible because he was asked the question. but he stated he didn't miss the coaching, the media, the changing room . the standing in the rain for 2 hours. he's happy what he's doing . can't see him coming back to coach esp in England again.

20 Oct 2025 21:03:37
Like you Ed, I don't want him back. He did his thing and I love him for it. I want to remember him the way he was thru out his time with us.

The whole nostalgia and emotional stuff aren't things that move me. Not anymore.

20 Oct 2025 23:26:44
Even the slow possession footie nonsense you talk about, OliRed?