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17 May 2024 19:38:13
Feb 2024 11:15:25
Haven't posted on here for yonks
even though I check the rumours, banter and sightings twice a day, BRILLIANT
Absolutely worship klopp, obviously and so sad to see him go
WHAT A BRILLIANT HUMAN BEING and the only one we could ever compare to the great bill Shankly
Although the jurgen said to me yeno is a great song, even if we did get told off for singing it, i feel we should pay him the utmost? respect and acolade and sing jurgen jurgen jurgen jurgen to the tune of amazing grace as we do with Shankly
Imagine the last home game and four ends of the ground all singing this and shedding tears of course, what an emotional day that will be
Just a thought.

Kennysfrom heaven.

17 May 2024 23:00:39
The only one to compare to shanks, what about Paisley and Kenny?

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18 May 2024 03:02:37
Kenny's selfless leadership in the wake of Hillsborough puts him right up there for me, regardless of the football. Ultimately, it appeared to break him in the end, such a shame. Glad he is rightly still adored by the club and the city.
My first girlfriend used to babysit Kenny's kids and so I met him a couple of times. Scared the crap out of me when he walked in and I'm knecking a young Sharon on his couch.

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18 May 2024 09:32:18
Let's not choose our favourite child. Klopp deserves to be in the same breath as:

Shanks
Paisley
Kenny
Houllier
Benitez.

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18 May 2024 13:37:51
How about Fagan?
Up the pool.

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18 May 2024 13:43:53
I agree, Zed. All these "children" made their mark on the club. Some in a big way, a transformative way, and in their way. Either way, they contributed to our glorious history.

And those who couldn't well at least, they had the guts to give it a go even if it didn't work out as we all would have wanted. Just my piece.

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18 May 2024 14:52:27
Burkeyboy
To be honest I would have dumped Sharon and kissed the King instead šŸ˜˜.

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18 May 2024 18:39:28
All the managers whoā€™ve won won or both of the big 2 deserve to be regarded as legends.

Klopp
Rafa
Kenny
Joe
Paisley
Shankly

Houllier is not on my list although he is a great man.

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17 May 2024 16:59:53
Not sure if itā€™s been asked already. Looking for opinions on this season? Iā€™m Torn between the Feeling itā€™s been an absolute anticlimax or itā€™s been a decent season with a trophy and coming 3rd in the league is a true representation of where weā€™re at as a squad. Or has klopp set such high standards that 3rd and a trophy leaves a feeling of under achieving?! Heads a mess!

17 May 2024 17:36:28
Big anticlimax.

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17 May 2024 17:40:36
All of the above.

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17 May 2024 18:22:35
My feeling is that it's slightly disappointing at the most, but hardly an absolute anticlimax. We were still in it with 5-6 games remaining, but I think we just happened to have our anual dip in form at the wrong time. After last year's performance and the fact that we kept chalking up the points while playing very well at times and very poorly at other times this season, I will admit I had hopes that we could cross the line first. But fine it didn't happen and that's football. After all, we still won a Cup (the Mickey Mouse one as some call it on here) and Klopp righted the ship from what was definitely a disastrous year last year. And he's leaving behind a rejuvenated squad with plenty of youngsters eager to prove themselves, so I have hope under the new manager.

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17 May 2024 20:22:47
A good season, much better than last, but nothing more than good.

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17 May 2024 21:54:37
The Europa Cup was there for us to win. Getting turned over by Atlanta was sickening but what can you došŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø. It hasnā€™t been a bad season but wasnā€™t great either.

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17 May 2024 22:23:59
Overall Arsenal and City have been better than us
Yes i am disappointed we had a opportunity to win more in Klopps final season however we are giving our new manager Champions league football and a solid foundation.

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17 May 2024 23:13:23
This is the type of season everyone predicted we could have based on the rebuild so we have essentially, met expectations, IMO. Could we have done better? Obviously yes BUT at the end of the day, many of us did not think we could challenge for the title let alone win it going in and based on the way the season played out, we were right. On to a new era set to begin with Arne Slot next season.

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17 May 2024 23:18:39
Missed opportunity and I donā€™t think weā€™ve played well as a team.

Bradley was an exciting high point and Danns and Koumas were great in their cameos.

Agree4

18 May 2024 00:12:33
A poor season. Underperformed.

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18 May 2024 07:29:21
I am a glass half full guyā€¦. I think it has been a good season. The biggest disappointment for me was us not making Europa league final, we (alongside leverkusen) were the best team and lost our heads in that first Atalanta game.
I think to win the league with all the changes to the team, injuries and performance/ slump of last season was alway going to be a step too far.
Overall, I would give the season 7/ 10! The league cup final was a memorable game fitting for Klopps final season.
Bradley and quansah really impress me and actually I really enjoy Gomez as the inverted left back as I think it helps to give us control.
Excited to see how Slot approaches his tactics.

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18 May 2024 07:51:50
LTO I really donā€™t believe you had us down at the start of the season winning the league. Just donā€™t believe it with the midfield rebuild we had, the only thing weā€™ve fallen short of is winning europa league we should have won that with the level of players we have.

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{Ed001's Note - if anyone had said at the start of the season we would finish 3rd, win the League Cup and get so far in the Europa, I think 99% of us would have been delighted. It is just that the way the season transpired, the only reason we fell away from the title and failed to reach the FA Cup and Europa League final is down to our own failings, that makes it feel so bad. What makes it worse is that Klopp is partly to blame for us not still being in for the quadruple, when we are all so thankful for what he has brought to us. But the good thing is that now nothing can take away from Anfield giving Klopp the send off he deserves, as the game is a dead rubber for us. So we can just enjoy a giant farewell party and I have no doubt that we will all be in floods of tears saying goodbye to a true great of the club. One of very few men that truly deserve to be called a legend.}

18 May 2024 08:28:31
The rebuild excuse doesnā€™t wash with me. I would guess City and Arsenal purchased as many first team players last Summer as we did, donā€™t hear them making the same excuse.

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18 May 2024 09:26:12
LTO123, Underperformed, based on what? Did you have us challenging for the title at the start of the season where we didn't even have a DM and many were losing their ship when the Caicedo deal collapsed?

If the answer is no then, you cannot come on here and say we underperformed IF you yourself didn't think we would perform anyway. Sorry, that dog ain't going to hunt. Talk about having it all your own way. Give over, man.

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18 May 2024 09:27:04
Yes but we'd been miles away from Ars/ Man City the season before Irish, we've closed that gap considerably. Im with Ed in that if you had offerd me 3rd and a trophy i would have jumped on it. I would have bit your hand off for 4th.

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18 May 2024 09:45:10
@IR, that's cos both teams are way further ahead in their development than we were going into this season so comparing us with them is already dishonest hece, flawed from the off. I know, shocking.

Also, did you think we could challenge for the title going into the season? If the answer is no (which it is cos nobody on this forum (including you) said so at the time) then, don't start with the "excuses" nonsense cos even YOU believed we would not challenge for the title, let alone win it. Meaning? Even you believed we were in a rebuild at the time and no amount of hindsight or "whatever washes with you, me or whoever" will change that.

Oh and guess what? We will STILL be in a rebuild next season with Slot as well, and both City and Arsenal will STILL be ahead of us in their development going in. I propose you get used to that very quickly, as well. No excuses here, sunny. Just facts.

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18 May 2024 10:11:21
It's been a good season; maybe even a very good one.
We were behind City and Arsenal in terms of quality last season and we have significantly narrowed that gap. When you consider that we lost three experienced midfielders and had to replace them adds to it, too.
I didn't expect us to challenge for the title this season so it's not been a big disappointment. Don't get me wrong, I was annoyed with those few weeks when everything went to pot but if you look at the season overall it's been a good one.

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18 May 2024 09:35:31
Totally with Ed001 here.

Start of season to end of season - it was brilliant (i. e. if you'd said at the start of the season, given we finished 5th last time etc) .

However, in the last 3 months there have been massive highs and lows.

On balance a season that is a bare minimum for our club, but it could have been so much more and it was in our hands.

Glass is neither half full or half empty.

The glass is just half.

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18 May 2024 11:00:09
@Ed01 - absolutely 100% spot on with your comments. Great summary of the season and the status of Klopp in the history of the club. He has the same aura of man management about him that Shanks had - thereā€™s no higher praise.

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18 May 2024 11:34:58
The main disappointment for me is the Europa League. We shouldā€™ve at least made the final the minute Leverkusen were put on the other side of the draw. Every other team in the competition was a team we should be beating comfortably.

FA Cup and Prem were never givens as weā€™d have had to have seen off City in both and theyā€™re bordering on untouchable right now. We shouldā€™ve got to the final in FA cup as well though (as United and Coventry were the teams in our way) and really we shouldā€™ve taken the league to the final day from the position we were in going into the home game against Palace.

Itā€™s a shame but if you remove all context, on the face of it, weā€™ve had a decent season and won a trophy. Letā€™s just enjoy the last game with Klopp rather than fret about what couldā€™ve been.

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18 May 2024 13:27:18
Regardless of what anyone said or expectations were in Aug 2023 it has zero bearing on the fact that with 7 league games to go we were joint top of the league.

The squad did well and could say over achieved to get us into that position but losing to Palace and Everton and drawing with Utd, West Ham and Villa over the next 6 fixtures has absolutely nothing to do with rebuilds or expectations 10 moths ago.

We went out of 3 tournaments in a matter of weeks. If that was anyone else we would say they bottled it.

Overall 3rd and league cup is a good season but we could have and should have had a better one considering where we were 5-6 weeks ago.

With a new manager coming in next season 3rd and a trophy might be as good as it gets for the foreseeable.

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18 May 2024 13:50:14
MKS, I can agree with you and others on the EL topic. That was really bad. it hurt the way we went out esp. in that first half where Klopp put out the lineup signalling to the oppo. (a very good one at that) that like, "Yeah, we ain't ready, bro". It was what it was and I can understand the frustration cos I was and still am with the way we didn't address our issues (as Ed01 sid, that's on Klopp and the staff) to give us a better chance to finish with more trophies.


Like you and all that being said, I would not trade a damn thing for any of the days Kloppo was our manager. Nothing at all.

"Celebration Time, Come on! "

Hopefully, Cool And The Gang will be at Anfield tmrw, lol.

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18 May 2024 14:57:11
Oli
Getting his excuses already for next season. Rebuild still in process.
Please point me in the direction where I said we were in a rebuild? Embarrassing.

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18 May 2024 19:51:11
Irish exactly. 6 weeks ago we were being told that Arsenal and City would slip up first.

Apparently Arsenal canā€™t score goals and City can only win titles when theyā€™re leading the league.

We shot our shot for the title and came up short over the last 6 games.

What peopleā€™s expectations were 8 months ago or hindsight have nothing to do with it.

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17 May 2024 14:37:16
Thank you Klopp for being honest about VAR. Am not sure he would said that if he was staying next season but who cares. What he said is absolutely correct! I just wish there were more high profile managers or owners that would do the same šŸ‘šŸ¼šŸ‘šŸ¼.

17 May 2024 16:48:36
Longthing, Klopp is letting it all hang out cos he's out the gaf. Can you blame him?

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18 May 2024 08:48:08
I feel there are more of these to come from Klopp.

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17 May 2024 14:19:08
"Not being champion by a point is not a great experience but it's an experience. " Klopp at his last press conference. I think that actually sums up his time with us perfectly. It certainly has been one hell of an experience, ups and downs and everything in between.
Thank you Jurgen for everything.

17 May 2024 16:54:29
Klopp's time here simply reflects life in general, IMO. Ups and down, rollercoaster rides taking your lumps and learning from them, winning some and losing some and getting knocked down BUT having the botttle to get back on that horse and go again. A Rocky-like story, if you like and we can all relate to thsuch a story.

The fact that during his tenure, he is ONLY second to Pep (for obvious reasons) in trophies won only shows how great he has been and how all the other PL managers could never hold a candle to him. Danke, Jurgen! .

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17 May 2024 13:14:15
Edd001 if Madrid make a huge bid for trent do you see him staying or leaving?

{Ed001's Note - he would prefer to stay.}

17 May 2024 14:23:21
What is Trent even worth now?

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17 May 2024 14:11:37
I hope he does Ed001. Must be a slight temptation given he's good mates with Bellingham, but it's a little bit like the Coutinho situation. Stay here and he can be a legend. Go to Madrid and you're just another player who they will replace with a new Galactico without hesitation.

I just hope he stays as a midfielder or a winger. He used to shine there at youth level and got compared to Gerrard. I read a lot that he's too slow but he is actually a very powerful runner. He's not the quickest off the mark and that does hamper him up against explosive wingers, but once he gets going he has that same power that the likes of Gerrard and Vieira had carrying the ball or making a run beyond a team mate. I'd put him in as AM or RW where he looked best at youth level. I have no doubt that he'd smash it in either of those positions.

He's far too good going forward for us to want him to leave so it will surely come down to his decision.

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17 May 2024 14:36:37
I really hope he stays. Our best player on the ball, no doubt about it. Get him playing further forward.

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17 May 2024 14:43:38
Trents a boyhood red and his likely ambition will be to captain LFC, win the league and CL with his boyhood club.

Technically he's done all that already and with us about to go through a managerial change how close are we to winning the league and CL title next season or so on.

Real are building a world class squad with the new galacticos of Vinicius, Mbappe and Bellingham etc.

The pull of Real if they do want Trent might be too much.

In 7 months time he can negotiate a free transfer. It seems that all the negotiating power is with the player.

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17 May 2024 16:56:02
Longthing, What is Trent worth? Whatever any club is willing to pay for him. Seriously tho, I don't think we will sell if he does not make a fuss, which I don't think he will do either. So he stays, IMO.

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17 May 2024 18:28:19
I'm not connected to professional football in any shape or form, just an avid fan and observer like most on here, since a few decades.

TAA will probably be asking for at least 300K per week, at the least. How many of you want to pay him that much (minimum)?

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17 May 2024 18:52:21
I personally think Bradley is a more effective right back, I donā€™t see him as a centre midfielder as he shirks too many challenges too often and doesnā€™t seem to want to do the dirty work, canā€™t see him as a number 10 as he hasnā€™t the vision and intelligence of someone like De Bruyne and that lack of acceleration absolutely marks him out of being a winger at the top level, as you either need a burst of lightning pace or a bag of tricks to get you past a fullback and he has neither. IMHO, I think it time both parties moved on.

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17 May 2024 19:00:05
I love to see people writing off trent as a midfielder without ever seeing him actually play there. We have a liverpudian born and bred who loves the club and has won a CL and PL with us, and people are like nah he can't be good enough to adapt, yet milner could play everywhere.
Some weird takes on Trent of late.

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17 May 2024 20:20:32
He will sign a contract and stay, we'll have to sell others to get the new toys.

Agree1

18 May 2024 00:17:06
DeanW: so because James Milner exists as a jack of all trades, Trent is good enough to be a midfielder?

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18 May 2024 06:35:52
Trent needs a reset and I hope Slot can do that. He's gone backwards over the last few years from being someone who looked like a generational talent to someone who is a genuine liability defensively and doesn't actually look that effective going forward anymore.

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{Ed001's Note - what utter nonsense.}

18 May 2024 08:49:55
The hate on TAA is shocking.

Quickly becoming a scapegoat for so many fans. wow!

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18 May 2024 09:50:59
MKS when Trent starts to have back "issues", running his mouth in the press (same with his agent which I think is is mom), refusing to train and literally paying reportedly 10m of his own money to force the deal then, we can compare his situation to COutinho's. till then, let's wait and see, shall we?

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18 May 2024 10:20:19
What's strange is that some think TAA can't play in midfield because they say he can't defend but they would play him at right back with more defensive responsibility or just sell him. If we sold all our midfielders that can't defend we'd be having another rebuild this summer.
To those that think next season is all about Harvey Elliott: how do you think he would do playing right back?

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18 May 2024 17:56:22
My view Rigsby, is that TAA isnā€™t a particularly good right back as his defending is poor, Bradley is a far superior right back, itā€™s not even close. I also donā€™t think he is defensive centre midfield material either, his inability to track runners, reluctance to make challenges and his switching off at vital moments absolutely makes that a non starter and he doesnā€™t do do enough in a game to be a box to box centre midfielder, I donā€™t see him as a winger or a number 10 as he hasnā€™t the electric pace or trickery to be a winger and doesnā€™t have the intelligence or guile that a top class number 10 should have. Feels to me that heā€™s a luxury player who we canā€™t carry. I donā€™t think he does enough to warrant the hype.

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17 May 2024 12:26:17
I'm having trouble replying to posts so thought I'd post a new one, in relation to the debate surrounding Trent. As I've already posted, I personally don't think he's able to cut it as a top class midfielder. I just think we would end up with a luxury player, who on the odd occasion smashes one in from 20 yards and plays one or two Hollywood passes a game. I can't see him being any better than Mac Allister in an advanced midfield role and he definitely doesn't have the attributes to play the holding role. He may be an adequate right sided midfielder, but then where does that leave Szob, Elliott and others.

So, as I've previously said, he needs to knuckle down and fight it out with Bradley for the right back spot. I personally think if we could get a Fabinho type holding midfielder, who can get across the pitch quickly, Trent could go back to being what he once was.

17 May 2024 12:41:28
He needs to put in more of an effort and stop believing all the hype around him, Hollywood passes and strolling around the pitch is no good.

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17 May 2024 12:41:46
You might be right to be fair mate. If Slot really wants to play with an inverted full back then a Trent fully applying himself defensively is as good as it get's in theory.

THe key will be getting him to apply himself. That attempted challenge on Calvert-Lewin from the corner in the Derby loss was pathetic.

Agree2

17 May 2024 15:09:39
The good thing is heā€™s got real competition for a place, hopefully he will be made to work for it. Heā€™s slacked off a bit and got complacent in recent years. The defence needs solidifying itā€™s been shocking this season at times.

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17 May 2024 17:01:08
MKS, you have hit the nail on the head. Trent IMO, is a good defender and that hs been proven in his career for the most part cos the reciepts are there. I still remember us worrying about how he would hold up vs Leroy Sane in the CL vs City in 17/ 18 and he shut him down in both games. In the FZA Cup final in 21/ 22, he dropped a master class defensively putting his oppo. no. Reece James to shame. I can keep going.

Now, it is also true that he can be very sloppy, lackadaisical and non challant in his interventions at times, like the Everton play you mentioned. That's what does my head in. He lacks aggressiveness in these areas where with a bit more application, he can be even more defensively sound. hopefully, Slot can help him here cos ability wise, only KDB is at his level esp. on the ball in the PL, IMO.

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17 May 2024 20:21:20
With talk of Trent being captain one day hereā€™s vice captain and not showering himself in glory doing that, hardly charging around shouting support.
To me itā€™s just him doing more media.

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17 May 2024 08:05:29
Trent will stay and wants to stay. he should be moved to midfield and a team built around him. We are not desperate for money and selling your most valuable player just because it would raise funds is completely daft. I have no doubt he will be a midfielder next season with Bradley at RB.

Even though I fully believe this should happen itā€™s quite tough to decide who else plays in midfield between Mac and Harvey, obviously with a new DM hopefully coming in. Trent should also be appointed captain and Lord of Frodsham.

17 May 2024 08:46:55
Trent isn't a midfielder and never will be in my opinion. He needs to fight it out with Bradley to nail the right back position. We all wait to see what Slot's take on it is, as it's only his opinion that matters.

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17 May 2024 09:29:30
Slot likes inverted FB's so I think Trent is going to play the same role under him. Personally, I do not like this whole inverted stuff for reasons I have explained already and think Trent should either play RB or in midfield and not both in one go BUT, what can I do. Let's see how Slot plays him in the inverted role and then, we can judge cos he may just tweak it a little bit.

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17 May 2024 09:42:26
Rome1977, I think Trent has to become a midfielder for us. His attitude to defending has been dreadful. I do think though that he could be superb in a free role behind the forward or out wide on the right side of attack whipping in crosses.

His ability to create from deep is great but it's no longer worth the lack of solidity at the back in my opinion, because he's regressed defensively for some reason. I'm concerned he might push for a move to Real Madrid though. I get that he's a local lad but that didn't stop Mcmanaman or Owen! If we're serious on Rodrygo to replace Salah as well, Madrid might see that as an opportunity to twist our arm.

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17 May 2024 10:28:44
I would 100% try him in midfield in preseason, that's the only way to tell if he'd fit a system.

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17 May 2024 10:56:08
Seen the quotes that Bellingham has been sending Trent pics of houses for sale in Madrid.

We all know clubs will get players to have a word with their mates etc. So i can't imagine Bellingham is doing this as a joke and Real are very much interested in Trent.

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17 May 2024 11:04:46
Might as well put Alison in midfield.
Both would be as about as useful as each other there.
The best thing for Trent and Liverpool would be for Trent to move on to a new club.

Agree4

17 May 2024 11:17:54
The best thing for Liverpool? Have a word!

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17 May 2024 11:50:15
Didnā€™t Trent play in midfield coming through 5he age groups?

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17 May 2024 12:16:55
Lol Walter, I agree Allison could probably do a job anywhere in the team and I could see him and Trent in midfield if injuries got too bad. Totally agree with MK here, Trent is a forward player and can hurt any team in the final third a born playmaker. Behind a striker that can finish this would be deadly.

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17 May 2024 12:27:20
Trent did play in midfield when he was coming through the ranks. And I don't get this "attitude towards defending" thing.

I believe that Trent is not being asked to track back but rather, be on standby to receive the ball when our other defenders win it so that he can launch a ball forward. And we all know he has the ability to do that. It sounds nice on paper but in practice, it just overwhelms our other defenders as they are being pulled all over the pitch. When Trent, as he has done occasionally this season, sticks out wide, he would track back and we look solid. This tells me that he is by instruction, nor being told to track back.

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17 May 2024 12:37:03
So Trent can't play in midfield because he switches off, can't tackle, can't head, doesn't sprint back all the time etc?
Mac, Szob, Grav, Elliott and Jones don't do the above either but TAA is a better passer of the ball than all of them.

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17 May 2024 14:53:57
Finding all these ā€œfansā€ who are asking Trent (one of our own) to move on very bizarre!

Thereā€™s a reason Madrid want him.

Thereā€™s a reason heā€™s been top for most assists in a premier league season.

I am also very against selling local players that understand the culture of the club, to replace them with players who definitely donā€™t (eg Rodrygo) ā€¦ who do you think will cut and run when times get tough? And who will stay and fight?

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17 May 2024 17:04:12
Navy Keith IMO, these "fans" are looking at the cash we can get for him (they don't even know what he is worth to us) so they can salivate on what new players they have discovered on FIFA we can splurge it on and go brag to their friends on Twitter saying, "We got (insert player here) ".

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17 May 2024 21:27:50
Trentā€™s defensive problems this season arenā€™t down to switching off or being lazy IMO. Heā€™s got Mo in front of him who rarely tracks back. Heā€™s asked to get up the pitch where heā€™s at his most dangerous but in previous seasons he had Hendo and Fab filling in whenever he was caught upfield and weā€™d lost possession. He hasnā€™t got the same protection this season and you can see thereā€™s hesitation in his play and decision making that wasnā€™t there before.

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17 May 2024 23:16:47
Good points, Scootinio.

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