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30 Apr 2019 22:17:05
Yesterday a poster on the Rumours page asked about any Liverpool interest in Ziyech of Ajax. Ed002 explained that Liverpool had shown interest a couple of years ago but he comes with baggage and perhaps is not what the club want. I just watched the Spurs v Ajax game and I thought Ziyech was the best attacking player on the pitch. Based only on this match, it seems a pity that we ended our interest - no doubt for good reasons.

Wirral Wonder

1.) 30 Apr 2019 22:44:29
WW I have watched him a few times and today was just a normal game for him, he looks quality. Van de Beek looks quality too IMO.

I like Brandt but want us to get the very best we can and maybe Ziyech is better. Is it Shaq baggage or Balotelli baggage?

2.) 30 Apr 2019 23:12:54
markp08, it’s good that to hear that I am not suffering from a case of ‘MOTD fever’. Ed002 didn’t say what type or weight of baggage Ziyech comes with - anything you can enlighten us about without falling foul of the libel laws Ed002?

{Ed002's Note - It is of no consequence on this page.}

3.) 30 Apr 2019 23:20:34
I don’t think ziyech is special or has the potential to be. Rather Brandt if it’s a choice, as I believe his best years are still ahead of him. Brandt moving central also plays in his favour, as he can bed in as a winger, but also be played as a ten or 8 when he gets up to speed with the league.

4.) 01 May 2019 05:14:39
We already have three good left footed attacking options in Salah Shaqiri and Wilson. Unless we lose two of these, I don’t think we will look for another in Ziyech or Fekir.
Also while he works hard and is a good creator, he doesn’t finish too well IMHO.

{Ed001's Note - I did not see anything in Ziyech. For that matter I am not sure why anyone is that hyped about a single Ajax player. They are a good team but not good individuals. Ten Hag is clearly the reason they are doing so well as not one of those players is outstanding.}

5.) 01 May 2019 07:43:14
De Jong is excellent, also de ligt is the Dutch Jon Terry a real leader, and neres is a real handful for someone quite slight, I think the have a real team ethic but also some real leaders in de ligt an de Jong.

6.) 01 May 2019 09:11:11
Ziyech looked over-awed against Juventus and was more of a hinderence than a help, I thought. I missed the first half of last night as well, when Ajax had the best of it, but he did little to make me think he’s worth considering.

Ajax remind me of Liverpool when Klopp first took over. Getting more out of the players with an in-your-face system and a frantic style, relying on turnovers and capitalising on mistakes. That’s why they’re doing so well this year. They’ve caught other teams cold because they’re not used to dealing with it and haven’t done adequate planning.

Very enjoyable to watch but I’m not sure that anybody is particularly a cut above. For 19 years old, De Ligt is a beast. Van de Beek looks pretty good to me as well, but maybe not top drawer.

7.) 01 May 2019 10:52:03
Spot on, lads. I don't think Ziyech is that special and remember, these are players who have been thriving in a specific system that suits their strengths and hides their weaknesses so I'm always weary of such players.

As for Brandt, Ziyech is not anywhere near his league, ability-wise. Brandt is the real deal and has been touted since his teens to have a promising career. I first watched him in the U20 WC in 2015, then at the Olympics in 2016 and then the years after that and IMO, he IS special. His ability and versatility in the attack (able to play EVERY position bar CF) is something Ziyech simply can't compete with. It's a no brainer as to who to go for should it be btw Ziyech and Brandt.



18 Mar 2019 12:19:22
Boring international break so how about a little fun to ease our title tension?

Amongst the many things that irritates me about the media is the way it confers the status of ‘Liverpool legend’ on almost anyone who has ever played for the club. Now, I am not setting myself up as THE authority on who should be accorded this most honoured of titles but I am pretty damn sure that Phil Babb is not a ‘Liverpool legend’ as he was recently described on Sky. I have my own eclectic method of deciding who is and who is not for me ‘Liverpool legend’ - for some it is straightforwardly a matter of how their talent and longevity have contributed to the success of the club; for others it is for a one-off event of huge importance; and for others it is because they were completely bonkers. Some have forfeited potential ‘Liverpool legend’ status by their behaviour on or off the pitch or by joining a club I hate. So, for what it is worth, this is a far from comprehensive list of my personal choices of ‘Liverpool legends’ :

Ian Callaghan, Ron Yeats, Ian St John, Gerry Byrne (played almost the entire 1965 FA Cup Final against Leeds with a broken collar bone), Roger Hunt, Alan Waddle (he only ever scored 1 goal for us, the winner against Everton at Goodison in 1973), Steve Heighway, Joey Jones (mad as a box of frogs), Kenny Dalglish, John Barnes, Ian Rush, Robbie Fowler, Jan Molby, Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher, Xabi Alonso, Luis Garcia (for the ‘ghost goal’ against Chelsea in the CL semi final), Sami Hyypia, Stephan Henchoz (for playing as a second goalie in the FA Cup Final against Arsenal in 2001 and getting away with 2, possibly 3, handballs) .

I have deliberately left out people such as Grobbelaar (was he on the take? ), Souness (that business with the S**), Owen (joined Real Madrid and United), Torres (could have been had he stayed longer), Suarez (for obvious reasons) and Phil Neal (always thought he was a bit of a knob) . Others I have probably just forgotten.

Of the current crop, quite a few have the potential to become ‘Liverpool legends’ if they stay long enough and win things - Bobby, Mo, Sadio, TAA, Robbo, VVD, Alisson, Millie.

Who are your ‘Liverpool legends’?

Wirral Wonder

1.) 18 Mar 2019 12:55:34
Agree with pretty much your whole post except leaving Souness out 3 time EC winner and a serial winner. He rightly apologised for the interview with that lying rag and I accept that . In my view the best midfielder we've had in my lifetime.

2.) 18 Mar 2019 13:25:41
Nice question WW!

I'm a little younger than you, so my legends list is a little shorter!

However, I completely agree with everyone on your list from The King onwards.

I WOULD include Brucie, I don't think he was on the take, and I can't remember a bigger character at Liverpool in all of my time supporting them.

I would also include Reina and Dudek. No, I'm not just a frustrated ex-goalie! Pepe was the best goalie in the league for a good 5 years or more, and also had his eccentricities.

The Dude? Eell just for that one game! And he's very cool!

I would put Rob Jones on the list - absolute Rolls Royce of a player and injury cut short his career so cruelly.

Finally, and for no other reason that he just looked mean and enforced himself on the pitch, I would have Steve McMahon.

3.) 18 Mar 2019 13:26:31
Liddelland, that’s a very good counter argument for Souey. I agree that he is the best midfielder I have seen in my lifetime and probably the best captain and leader, too, and I love him as a pundit. But I did say it is a personal list and some of my choices will appear irrational to others - but that’s the fun part!

4.) 18 Mar 2019 13:44:09
Great discussion! Just for how many yards he stole for THAT free kick I’d give Gary Mac a mention, he had a massive impact on that squad too. Every player in the current squad has an application pending, we’ll find out in May.

5.) 18 Mar 2019 13:46:28
Zeddicus, thanks for the reminder - I am adding Jerzy Dudek to my list of ‘Liverpool legends’ if only for that miraculous double save from Shevchenko in extra time in Istanbul.

6.) 18 Mar 2019 15:14:32
Dudek, Garcia and Henchoz all are only cult heroes rather than legends imo. Decent players who had their moments but did not have the consistency or stature as some of the other figures. Players like Owen and Suarez are definite anti-heroes. Their efforts should be recognised and remembered for the awesome players that they were, but they do not deserve to be up there in the pantheon of legends. Torres and Alonso count imo. Weren’t here for very long but were the very best in the world in their position during their time here.

In my lifetime i would only consider Carragher, Gerrard, Hyypia, Torres, Alonso and maybe Henderson and Kuyt for their consistency and commitment as well. Cult heroes, as in players i remember fondly but not considered legends, Agger, Garcia, Mascherano, Reina, Coutinho, Sissoko, Dudek, Sterling, Riise, Lucas Leiva, Aurelio, Arbeloa, Benayoun and Sturridge (bear in mind my selections are from when i became a proper liverpool fan, 2005 onwards)

7.) 18 Mar 2019 16:41:13
Steve nicol and emlyn Hughes.

8.) 18 Mar 2019 16:48:11
If one off moments make you a cult hero the 96th minute belongs to Divock Origi.

Eric Meijer was a cult hero. Best ball boy Liverpool ever had.

{Ed025's Note - i was calling divok a cult....or something like that.. :)

9.) 18 Mar 2019 17:13:01
Hmasson2, Emlyn was one of the greatest players to ever pull on the Liverpool shirt and I did think long and hard about including him in my legends list. But I have read a number of Liverpool players’ autobiographies in which he does not come across as a very nice guy at all; and after he retired he wrote a newspaper column full of what to me were outrageous political views. I did say my choices are personal and some are irrational.

But respect to you and your opinion - if Emlyn is a Liverpool legend to you and others (as I am sure he is) then that’s cool.

10.) 18 Mar 2019 17:14:27
I'd say the starter list is good but I would have Ray Clemence, Alan Kennedy for his winning goals, Ray Kennedy - pure class and Alan Hansen.

11.) 18 Mar 2019 17:32:04
Dod, how could I omit Alan Hansen (class personified), Ray Kennedy (a giant of a goal scoring midfielder) and Alan Kennedy (scored the winning goal in 2 European Cup finals)? They join my list. But Clem? Sorry, he left to play for Spurs.

{Ed025's Note - still your best keeper by an absolute country mile WW..

12.) 18 Mar 2019 17:50:34
I won't take your dislike of Ray/ Spurs personally, WW. Aside from Gerrard (and possibly a few others) they all move off to other clubs eventually. But Ray was top class as a keeper and as a person. Go on, make an exception, put him in ;o)

13.) 18 Mar 2019 17:59:10
It's all about opinion, WW, but Neal is a legend. Our most decorated player, so has to be. And if you're having Dudek, who didn't know a thing about that save, you have to have Clem.

14.) 18 Mar 2019 18:17:36
Dod and Rome 1977, I love it that you guys are getting involved in the debate and my list of ‘Liverpool legends’ is flexible. But as I have said a couple of times, it is a personal list and may appear irrational to others. Sorry, no place for Clem or Neal on my list but happy to see him on yours.

15.) 18 Mar 2019 19:33:29
There are many legends of Liverpool but those that I remember in my lifetime are:


16.) 18 Mar 2019 20:18:05
Ian Callaghan, Tommy Smith, Chris Lawler, Peter Thompson, Toshack, Keegan, Terry McDermott, Jimmy Case, Sammy Lee, Craig Johnston, Jan Molby, Peter Beardsley, John Aldridge, Gary Ablett, Steve Stuanton, Steve Ogrosovic, Steve Finnan, Marcus Babbell, Vladimir Smicer not because they were all world beaters (though some certainly were) but because I haven’t read their names in this thread yet and they were all good Club men or heroes to me that sit alongside all the other great players previously mentioned by the other posters 👍🏻.

17.) 18 Mar 2019 20:42:28
Sean Dundee. What a signing!

18.) 18 Mar 2019 21:10:39
Ex_Reffing-Useless, I’ll take Vladimir Smicer from your list and add him to mine. Anyone who scored a goal and a penalty in the Istanbul final has to be one of my ‘Liverpool legends’. Good shout mate.

19.) 18 Mar 2019 21:28:23
Alll good WW
There are so many to choose from, my favourite was Terry Mc when I was very young. As a fellow Wirralian mate I tried to make a case for Danny Murphy for his Old Trafford winners, but he’s such a knob I can’t justify it 🤷🏻‍♂️.

20.) 18 Mar 2019 21:49:27
Ex_Reffing_Useless, Murphy is one of the ex-Liverpool media knobs who have forfeited any right to be considered for my legends list. Steve Nichol is another. You’ve got me wavering over Terry Mac now. He is another who scored in a European Cup final and he did score the greatest goal I have seen at Anfield, against Spurs in the 7-0 win in 1978. Oh go one, he’s in!

21.) 18 Mar 2019 23:09:42
Great topic Wirral Wonder.
In my opinion I think the fellow reds have covered the legends well. A couple of names on the periphery of 'legend' status that I could not see mentioned were Gary Gillespie and Mark Lawrenson (respectfully putting aside any views on punditry) .

22.) 19 Mar 2019 09:30:33
I'd like to add Ronnie rosenthal into the pot of consideration. Yes yes I know about the miss at villa however, the impact he had when he first joined was fantastic. Perfect hatrick against Charlton on his first start. Maybe not legend status but still a note in our fantastic history. Ronnie whelan another great servant, maybe overlooked as he wasn't the goalscoring box to box player we all love but still a fantastic servant for a long period of time and also had quality in his play, goal in cup final against the mancs if I remember rightly plus the scissor kick he scored for Ireland shows his class. Oh and there was maybe a crazy og against utd too. 😳and he could get his foot in when needed without making a song and dance about being a hard man. Terry mac is another if only for his goal against spurs. Jimmy case another who had quality and Tommy Smith would have tackled a brick wall if it was going to get the reds a win.

23.) 19 Mar 2019 10:45:36
Ohyoubeauty - Rosenthal, Whelan and Case all good shouts but I have left Tommy Smith off my list for a very good reason (well, it is a very good reason according to my criteria) . Liverpool played Bruges in the final of the 1976 UEFA Cup. We won the 1st leg 3-2 and I went over the Bruges for the 2nd leg. We drew 1-1, winning 4-3 on aggregate. Now, there is a lot going on right now in football about encroaching on the pitch but this was 1976 and at the end of the game it was “All on the pitch lads! ”. I know, I know but that’s how it was then and I was still a teenager. Anyway, the Liverpool fans were celebrating on the pitch with the players and there was no bother at all - until Tommy Smith grabbed me by my shirt front and snarled “Get off the effing pitch, you are spoiling it for us”. Legend status withdrawn and still denied.

24.) 19 Mar 2019 11:16:20
OK I can see and understand your reasoning and I bet you still have nightmares as I'm sure many forwards still do after having a face to face with Tommy Smith. Thank you for your response and little nugget of a memory. Must've been fantastic getting to celebrate so close to the players. I think that's one of the down sides to how the game has gone, the fans and players were closer connected back then, now the only connection is social media and having a shirt with their name on your back, totally NOT the same. I remember my dad telling me about a kick about him and his mates had with shanks outside melwood. Nowadays that would be front page news but back then it was just how it was.



26 Jan 2019 20:38:40
Ed025, only this morning you stated that there were 3 CBs in every Premier League team (other than Liverpool) who are better than Dejan Lovren. After seeing the shambolic defending from set pieces by Everton in their match at Millwall this evening, it is blatantly obvious to me that Lovren is simply streets ahead of Keane, Mina, Zouma, Jagielka and any other CB on Everton’s books. Agree?

Wirral Wonder

{Ed025's Note - even though dejan is pathetic WW, i cant argue with what you are saying mate..

1.) 27 Jan 2019 07:38:23
Millwall play Karius in goal and you only manage 3 shots on target. Ouch ed25.

{Ed025's Note - tell me about it longthing, i cant even make excuses for that mate..

2.) 27 Jan 2019 08:58:08
That’s why we love yer eds25 win lose or draw your always fair and honest 👌🏻.

{Ed025's Note - cheers mate..

3.) 27 Jan 2019 09:30:33
Agree Longthing. Always humble Ed25 no matter what.

4.) 27 Jan 2019 10:55:14
Ed025 my favourite Ed
Banter yes- balanced viewyes- knowledgeable yes
Unfortunate with who he supports -yes.

{Ed025's Note - after yesterday your spot on agger..

5.) 27 Jan 2019 11:19:15
I listened to a phone in earlier in the week Ed- and done EFC fans were expressing they don’t see a pattern of how you play, or a set structure.
Is this the case?
Looking at the personnel available would be expecting you to be more consistent and higher placed

What’s the story?

{Ed025's Note - its just not working agger, our guys look like they have never played together before and dont understand zonal marking, i dont know what they do in training mate but whatever it is they need to change it..

6.) 27 Jan 2019 12:40:07
Patience running thin Ed025? Or do you want Silva there for the remainder of the season. maybe even another season?

Looking from the outside in, not sure how much he has improved compared to Allardyce.

7.) 27 Jan 2019 15:57:00
Ed25, I thought you were having a laugh when you said that 3 CB's in every PL team are better than Lovren. I propose you start with your own mob cos ALL your CB's are a complete joke. At least that just one team.

IMO, Lovs wil start at Arsenal (their CB's are atrocious), Utd and even Chelsea (Rudiger and Luiz are a calamity) . Again, that is just within the top 6. Did I also mention that Lovs shut down CR7 in the CL final one one one? Yeah, those are facts, bro. I can easily name many others for whom Lovren with the other 14 teams BUT I'll stop here cos I can feel your gritting teeth all the way from here.

{Ed025's Note - he is that bad that he would fit in well at everton brover, we need to have this discussion after the next couple of games mate and see how he acquits himself...provided klopp is desperate enough to pick him that is..

8.) 27 Jan 2019 18:25:22
Ed25, why are we having a discussion on whether Lovs is good enuff or not? He has been here for the past 5 seasons and is STILL here. Skrtel and Sahko who many thought were better than him, got binned at the first opportunity so If he was a "pathetic" as you say he is then what is he again, still doing here? Why did Klopp give him a new deal in 2017? Why did he have the season and WC he had if he was "pathetic"? Could it be cos he is as good as I think he is overall?

There is nothing to discuss here, my friend. You think he is useless. I disagree with using such extreme words to describe a very capable CB who on his day would put ALL of Everton's CB's combined into immediate unemployment. Did I mention he shut down CR7 in the CL, lol?

If he makes a mistake (like no other player in history has ever made a mistake) in the next two games should he play, it won't change my opinion. Why? Mistakes happen. Carra made tonnes of mistakes in his LFC career (led the PL all time in own goals) BUT you don't see me calling him pathetic, do you? BTW, Your CB's are just dreadful to the point that Zouma who I love as a CB, is getting worse under Silva. Take care mate.

{Ed025's Note - zouma is our best CB mate and hes not even ours..

9.) 28 Jan 2019 07:20:21
Lovren is not useless, he’s just unreliable.
Matip is useless 🤝.



20 Jan 2019 19:55:43
I was at the game yesterday and in all the excitement and tension of the final few minutes I missed a significant incident which I have only just seen on the Sky re-run of the full 90 minutes. Rafa Camacho came on at right back for the final 2 or 3 added on minutes. After Crystal Palace’s 3rd goal, they had one final attack and the ball was worked out to Wilfred Zaha inside the penalty area and one-on-one with Camacho. He took Camacho on on the outside, like he had done successfully a few times against Millie, including the 1st Palace goal. If he had got past, he would have been through with a chance to shoot or cross. Camacho stayed on his feet, won the ball, Van Aanholt put the loose ball well over the bar and the game was won. Camacho can rightfully claim to have played an important part in a vital win. Nice one Rafa.

Wirral Wonder

1.) 20 Jan 2019 21:22:50
I always prefer we play a youngster in his favoured position than shoe horn an experienced player into a position he’s not comfortable in.

2.) 20 Jan 2019 21:40:02
1985mikey - Camacho's not a right back. He's a winger that happens to be able to put a tackle in.

3.) 20 Jan 2019 21:40:53
Didn’t Camacho play up front for the 23s last week? Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think his favoured position is right back?

4.) 20 Jan 2019 21:41:04
Mikey, amazingly Camacho is actually a left winger predominantly!

Klopp has seen something in him as a right back though so fair play to him for repaying Klopp's faith so far.

5.) 20 Jan 2019 23:17:45
Some of the worlds best RBs would get done by zaha whem he is in the mood.

6.) 21 Jan 2019 03:38:19
Milner has played as a right back and right midfielder at various points in his career - I would hardly called it shoehorning him in. He had a mare though and got destroyed by Zaha who was himself excellent - glad Camacho was able to make a telling contribution, I think Klopp is mentioned it in one of his post-match interviews, so hopefully it gives the lad a boost.

7.) 21 Jan 2019 05:27:03
Neither Milner nor Fabinho are able to counter that type of pace if at RB.
Leicester pose a similar threat too, though Milner is likely to miss that game now.
I definitely don’t want to see Fabinho at RB in this league *shudders*.

8.) 21 Jan 2019 05:59:29
I think trent would be back for us against the foxes.

9.) 21 Jan 2019 09:10:51
Mikey, Camacho is a natural winger so there goes your shoehorning argument.

10.) 21 Jan 2019 15:42:03
Pace for a full back is key. Even if you get done once, blistering pace will give you another chance to make the tackle. Milner was always going to be vulnerable to Zahas pace but he’s so reliable you can understand Klopp’s decision. Hospital ball for the 2nd yellow ( from Fab I think) e.



04 Jan 2019 20:01:48
Good evening Ed01. I have only just read your response to a post earlier this morning in which you say that TAA was at fault for City's second goal and that he could do with extra coaching on the defensive side of his game. I actually thought that Lovren was at fault for lying a bit deep, playing Sterling onside when he received the pass from Danilo and allowing Sterling to run across our defence before slipping the ball to Sane, who was unmarked because TAA had no option but to go with Aguero's run into the box. I should stress that this is in no way an argumentative post, I am just a supporter with no coaching experience whatsoever, and I am genuinely interested to hear a bit more from someone with your coaching experience, knowledge and insight into just what TAA did wrong and how he can improve defensively. Cheers.

Wirral Wonder

{Ed001's Note - I did say Lovren was brought over and was out of position as well, but Trent, on a regular basis, allows himself to come in far too narrow on the cover and so leaves too much space out wide. A lot of the time I noticed yesterday that he was shouting for someone else to go out and close down Sane when it was his man.

What he should have done in the City goal was be a little further wide, to give himself a chance to get across. He just came across too far. It is something he is prone to doing, or, the other thing he does wrong is press too high up the pitch without checking there is cover. There is a real lack of awareness from him at times. With the goal he should have seen the threat was wide of him and positioned himself accordingly. Instead he concentrates on the ball and gets himself right in the centre of the pitch, where he was not really needed.

He has to trust Lovren can at least force the attacker to slow his pace or for Lovren to drive him wider or into making the pass like he did. City had two players wide of him that he had to get in position to close out. The central area he has to trust to the centre backs in that position as anyone going past Lovren is on top of Alisson then and Trent would only get in his way and block his view.

If you are going to play two deep lying midfielders in front of the backline, then the fullbacks have to stay wide at all times or people just get in each others way and leave too much space on the flanks.}

1.) 04 Jan 2019 21:14:36
Do you see TAA at full back long (er) term Ed?

{Ed002's Note - Sure.}

2.) 04 Jan 2019 21:16:25
Unfortunately Lovren was appalling and can't blame anyone for not trusting him. He’d already been booked for his usual rash challenge in first 25 mins which meant he was scared to put in a tackle for rest of match. His passing forward was so bad VVD didn’t want to pass to him as he knew Lovrens pass would go straight to a City player and they’d be straight through the midfield and onto our defence. Summed up by last kick of game when usually calm VVD went mental when Lovren played a straight pass over his head instead of going from an angle. Sterling should have had a third when Lovren mis kicked in penalty area after another mistimed tackle and he was left out of position and bypassed too easily on numerous occasions and he was arguably at fault for first goal. If he stays in the side and doesn’t find form and confidence I’m afraid we won’t win the league. And saying that we would go unbeaten for whole season.

3.) 04 Jan 2019 21:24:42
Ed01, you summed it up perfectly, When Sterling runs forward, Sane comes into view completely unmarked on the left and Sterling plays an easy pass, TAA is then in the box with Lovren.
As you say, if he had the awareness he would have been out wider putting pressure on Sane instead of standing on Lovrens toes, it was just too easy.
Lovren was not great last night but I don't think he was at fault for that goal. TAA is young and will learn from it.

4.) 04 Jan 2019 22:06:17
Ed01 is spot on. It is always easy to blame Lovs for even standing anywhere near where a goal is scored BUT people need to use their eyes and stop being selective in who they choose to bash. When Sterling plays the ball across. Aguero runs towards the center so Lovs has to go with him. TAA is already caught up field and out of position which allows Sane to cut in thru on goal and TAA arrives too late as Sane shoots and scores. Except people want Lovs to be Mr Fantastic who can stretch himself to cover a whole left side by himself, I don't know what people want from him.

TAA is susceptible to such things and he gets caught up field in the press a lot and before he can blink, there is not one in behind when the ball is played into the gap he leaves. Lovs/ Gomez has to get out there and then when the goal is scored, he gets the blame. TAA did the exact same thing at Chelsea where he followed Hazard too deep into midfield and got caught out with a one-two ball and Hazard gets in and scores. You can bash Lovs all you want BUT he cannot be in two places at the same time.

{Ed025's Note - he only has to be in one place mate...on the bench.. :)

5.) 04 Jan 2019 23:30:30
025 luv ya.

6.) 04 Jan 2019 23:40:59
TAA also at fault for the first goal, if he carried on his run he could of cut the cross out to augero instead he just stopped in his tracks which he also done on a few other occasions while the play was going on around him.

7.) 05 Jan 2019 01:48:31
TAA and Lovren didn’t play well together, end of.

I still think the main issue was we missed Gomez with his pace and read of the game, Lovren is much better against the larger physical players than players with pace and movement.

Having said that TAA’s biggest problem was leaving all the space behind him as he kept pushing too high, and agree with Ed perhaps two deep midfielders would have suited him better to allow one to push across to cover Sané.

8.) 04 Jan 2019 21:07:25
Ed. you put trust and Lovren in the same sentence. Please allow me the courtesy of pulling you on that comment 😇.

{Ed001's Note - yeah I know, but sometimes you have to mate. VVD was close enough to provide cover anyway (if I remember correctly), and Alisson is there behind him. Sometimes you have to take a chance and there were two men free out wide that Trent should have been closer to in order to stop what happened.}

9.) 04 Jan 2019 21:34:42
Ed01, many thanks for taking the time to provide such a comprehensive response, just what I was looking for. I get so fed up with so-called experts (pundits, commentators, journalists, etc) offering cliched opinion as ‘professional insight’ and it is refreshing to get the real thing on this site. I will watch TAA in a new light and will even impress my match-going mates with my new found insight into our defensive play. Incidentally, who do you regard as the ideal PL full back as the role model for TAA to learn from?

{Ed001's Note - sadly I don't think there is one right now. It would be going back and looking at someone like Rob Jones at his peak. The key though is his awareness, very few young players do have it any more as teams are almost always packed full of players who began as attackers and were not good enough so got moved backwards into defensive positions. The players who play in attack in kids teams are almost invariably those with the best technique (or biggest/strongest/fastest) which is all clubs seem to care about now. There is little real thought given to looking at the rest of the game.

You look at how the likes of George Graham would drill their players over and over until defending became automatic and then look at modern day teams whose backline is very rarely moving with the same fluidity and organisation. The game has become unbalanced towards attacking play and technique and away from defensive organisation.

I would have him watching Henderson to be honest. Watch how he is constantly looking around him to see where everyone is. When you watch Trent he does not look around him at all and, like Lovren on the first goal, he does not get his body shape right to see them. If he is not even going to notice when a player is behind him, then no amount of watching videos will help him! He has to first be looking around to notice them, then, when he has done so, he can position himself better.

Lovren needs to do more to help him as well, to be fair. Lovren is an experienced centre back who should be screaming at Trent to tell him what is behind him.}

10.) 05 Jan 2019 10:45:48
Ball watching is one of the worst things a defender can do. I love TAA but he does ball watch a lot.

11.) 05 Jan 2019 11:30:40
Trent is a young centre mid making a huge step up to right full in a top team

I honestly see the issue with lovren it was against United last season when lukaku bullied him and rashford ran Trent into the ground

Lovren just doesn't communicate to the full backs he just isn't good enough he is almost good enough but costs us big games and big goals

Id sell in the summer and get someone else with Gomez our main right sided centre half.

12.) 05 Jan 2019 13:11:21
Communication in a defence is KEY to any good defence. If they are not talking to each other then it is not going to matter who you have back there. It will be a crap show. Lovs needs to be more demanding of TAA going forward as VVD is of Robertson who gets a dress down from VVD when he screws up.

I agree with Ed01 that TAA needs to be reeled in a little bit cos in big games, he clearly goes walk-about and then leaves gaps in behind, leaving Lovs or Gomez with an impossible task when we lose the ball. And for people saying Gomez this or Gomez that, I propose you go watch the Chelsea game where TAA does the EXACT same thing and Hazard is in and scores. Gomez like Lovs was vs City, were in an impossible position so if you think Gomez will fix TAA's penchant for going walk-about then you are fooling yourselves. Can Lovs do more? Of course he can and Ed has alluded to it BUT to say that Gomez will suddenly be Superman and cover a whole right side when he has two players to pick up, is ludicrous. Blaming Lovs for TAA's inherent issues is unfair and ridiculous, IMO.

13.) 05 Jan 2019 12:44:41
I'd like to see Liverpool spend big on a really top right-back to take the pressure off Trent. He's still young to be given so much responsibility. Ed001 mate are there any out there that you rate highly and you would want?

{Ed001's Note - only Wan-Bissaka and he is just as young and raw as Trent.}

14.) 05 Jan 2019 23:22:06
In The games I’ve watched them play together live this season Lovren and Trent have been a constant liability.

Many a time Alisson has bailed them out or the opposition haven’t been good enough to take advantage. Take Man U for example, every attack they had came from that side but they were only good enough to score on the occasion Alisson couldn’t bail them out.
They are a big weakness and opposition managers know this because they target them.

Lovren goes to pieces when he isn’t facing the opponents goal. So turn him round, get him facing his goal or the sideline and he is out of his depth.

Trent is just not good enough defensively, he’s a classical attacking wing back.

Most opponents are not good enough to take advantage but you can’t give Aguero the space he had because he is world class, the best finisher in the premier league in the last 10yr, and he WILL score.




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05 May 2019 12:43:29
LiverpoolFC8, I think Zaha has found his natural level at Crystal Palace. I don’t think he is good enough for Liverpool. But who would have thought Robbo would turn out this good?

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03 May 2019 19:01:37
Uglyben2019, if only Liverpool had a top goal scorer who has scored more goals than both Suarez and Aguero over the last 2 seasons. Oh, I don’t know, someone like Mo Salah perhaps?

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01 May 2019 18:55:35
Confirmed Liverpool team for tonight :

Alisson, Gomez, Matip, Van Dijk, Robertson, Fabinho, Milner, Wijnaldum, Keita, Mane, Salah.

Subs: Mignolet, Lovren, Firmino, Henderson, Shaqiri, Origi, Alexander-Arnold.

Come on you mighty Reds!

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24 Apr 2019 23:39:06
Ron, I rate Matip higher than you do but I agree 100% with the rest of your post. Well said.

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23 Apr 2019 20:35:57
Not from you Little Naby but from a small number of others. I certainly do not share Ed02’s opinion of Klopp and have challenged him on it in the past but I don’t think I resorted to insults or pettiness. Also, like you, I have no qualms about Klopp’s alleged ‘lying and cheating’ but I am a committed Liverpool supporter and Ed02 isn’t so he has a different perspective. All I am trying to say is there is room on the site for lots of different views from Eds and posters.

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{Ed002's Note - It is not so much a different perspective - it is simply the way it is.}




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08 May 2019 21:02:35
Robbiesline, 5/ 6 - 0? Been on those blue Smarties again haven’t you?

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08 May 2019 18:58:27
Lfc hopeful, football is tribal, visceral, emotional. Supporters can surely talk about ‘battering’, ‘hammering’, ‘thumping’, ‘murdering’ and even ‘ruining’ the opposition. It’s what we do, it doesn’t demonstrate a lack of respect. Let’s keep the political correctness out of a football supporters’ website.

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08 May 2019 16:55:46
I am pretty sure that, if fit, Mo, Bobby and Sadio will start the CL final. Divock is today’s hero but let’s not forget exactly what the Three Amigos have done over the last 2 seasons. With a likely back five of Alisson, TAA, Matip, VVD and Robbo that just leaves the midfield to sort out. My personal choice would be Fab, Hendo and Wijnaldum - sadly, Keita will miss out through injury. The likes of Millie, Gomez, Origi, the Ox and Origi will form a really strong bench.

Incidentally, Fab, Hendo and Wijnaldum have something in common. Apart from all 3 putting in awesome performances last night, all 3 have also been singled out by some posters as ‘not good enough for Liverpool’ during the earlier part of this season. I take it we will not see that nonsense ever again.

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08 May 2019 16:42:15
I would rather we play Ajax, not because Spurs frighten me because they don’t, but because it won’t feel like real CL final with 2 PL teams.

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08 May 2019 12:56:59
Roy, is ruffling a guy’s hair really a red card offence? And I thought it was for the VAR official to refer such incidents to the referee, not the other way round. I kind of like that referee - if I’m not mistaken we had him for the Dortmund game in 2016 - and he doesn’t strike me as the type to overreact.

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