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29 Jun 2024 05:33:25
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28 Jun 2024 15:48:17
Gordon to Liverpool ed2?
{Ed002's Note - I don't see him leaving Hearts - he must be 40 now.}
28 Jun 2024 22:18:47
Gordon’s alive.
28 Jun 2024 23:55:59
If you re old enough you're good enough.
29 Jun 2024 00:18:05
3rd choice keeper 👌.
29 Jun 2024 01:45:41
Flash Gordon, Gordon Freeman or Alan Gordon Partridge?
28 Jun 2024 07:59:10
Eds,
Any concrete interest / update re. Calafiori and Liverpool?
Seems to fit the bill re age, left footed and can play CB or LB.
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - Riccardo Calafiori (CB/LB) Bayer Leverkusen and Chelsea have a declared interest but he is not first choice for either although Chelsea may well look to two additions and push for the player. Newcastle interest has gone. Spurs, Bayern Munich and Brighton have sent scouts but Juventus has held a number of discussions with Bologna and are offering cash and a part exchange. They will also have an edge because of Motta although Bologna have now secured CL football they insist they do not need to sell their prime assets. A wildcard may be Real Madrid. Liverpool have shown no interest that I am aware of and have very specific targets of their own.}
28 Jun 2024 13:45:57
Would Madrids interest be dependent on signing Yoro?
{Ed002's Note - No, it is dependent on something else - hence it only really being a wildcard option.}
27 Jun 2024 18:19:32
Ryam McAidoo eds, heard anything on him?
{Ed002's Note - He is a child from Chelsea - I would need to check. Is he 16 or so? It is a pity that Liverpool cannot build an academy.}
27 Jun 2024 21:23:59
A pity Chelsea don't build a team around the fantastic young players they develop instead of shipping them off to pay for some expensive kids you've never heard of from who knows where. Aren't they now after some Argentine kid who's only played three games? The irony is a team full of Chelsea academy alumni is genuinely better than the team they've got and how much did it cost them?
27 Jun 2024 21:27:30
We did, few of them beat Chelseas 1st team at wembley last february😉.
27 Jun 2024 21:42:14
He’s 16 and is seemingly, according to the 4th estate, off to Arsenal. I assume the influx of nearly ready South Americans and ex-City Academy signings is disheartening for the kiddies at the Chelsea Academy.
28 Jun 2024 07:29:48
The same Chelsea who splashed £45 mill to sign Palmer form city 🤭.
27 Jun 2024 21:22:28
I think ours has been pretty successful Ed to be fair, I’m certain we would of kept hold of players like rice ake olise Guehi and not let them slip away, bit of a waste, it must be extremely frustrating Ed 😉.
{Ed002's Note - I don't think the Liverpool Academy has been successful and it is something the club must work on for the future.
Players left Chelsea mainly because of a policy of not guaranteeing game time to youngsters - whereas in Klopp's time at Liverpool, players were promised game time to entice them to join - which in many cases was simply a lie.
Rice left when he was released by the club. Others like Musiala left for different reasons - in his case BREXIT.}
28 Jun 2024 10:40:26
So it’s basically irrelevant saying how great the Chelsea academy is if the players don’t even stick around. I’d understand if you still had them all in the first team but you basically just get them too a level and they move on and become even better. did you make Musiala and rice, not really! The players who may have been there at one point or at least the ones who look like they could become serious players in the future no longer play for Chelsea and jumped ship which says a lot.
{Ed002's Note - You are an idiot. You just don't get it. The Chelsea Academy has been churning out players who have been hugely success and stayed at the club for years. In recent times, Reece James, Loftus-Cheek, Mount, Christiansen, Colwill, Gallacher, Abraham, etc. have all come through the Academy and become regulars for Chelsea. Liverpool can only aspire to such success. Musiala left because of BREXIT and nothing else. Rice was released at 14. They have not been "jumping ship".
28 Jun 2024 12:23:25
I agree Chelsea's academy is way beyond probably all but Man City's in the Premier League.
But using Christansen (a player signed at 16) as a highlight of how good Chelsea's academy is, in a post lambasting Liverpool for looking at 16 year olds and not building their academy is very hypocritical to be fair mate.
{Ed002's Note - You keep scratching around embarrassing yourselves.}
28 Jun 2024 12:55:20
It's not realistic for Liverpool to aspire to Chelsea's level of success as Chelsea are working with a much larger talent pool in London and the South East compared to the North West where we are competing with massive academies like United, City and Everton.
Musiala also left because Bayern offered a clearer pathway into the first-team than Chelsea, not just because of Brexit.
28 Jun 2024 13:01:39
I'm honestly not scratching, just an observation.
I haven't mentioned ours being good or yours not being great. Just an odd name to use, given your argument was based around a 16 year old.
{Ed002's Note - That was not what my comment was regarding.}
28 Jun 2024 13:31:05
Trent
Jones
Clark
Morton
Quansah
Elliott (to an extent)
Doak
Kone-Doherty
Kelleher
Yeah. Awful.
28 Jun 2024 13:33:47
Gunn and yet people in this thread are saying Chelsea didn’t make Musiala the player he is, Bayern did and they signed him at 16. Bit of a double standard there.
28 Jun 2024 16:05:44
And Bradley😉.
28 Jun 2024 17:13:25
Lmao all them players ed02 listed are absolute garbage. Trent jones Bradley quansah kehheler are all better than any of them very average if not rubbish players I think you lose this time ed.
28 Jun 2024 18:11:38
Joining lFC according to good sources. snatched away from AFC at the last minute.
28 Jun 2024 20:04:45
You have to agree with eds here. look how much money chelsea make by selling players who are on loan, guehi, tomorrow, Abraham etc. latest to join Hutchinson.
Who is last liverpool players who perform well on loan and then was sold for hefty sum. only IBe comes to my mind.
Chelsea have a seriously good business model where in they make lots of money on loaning and selling young players.
{Ed001's Note - and then use that money to buy worse players on a higher wage. It is far from a good business model and it has left them mired in midtable. Their system may make money, but it doesn't make sense.}
28 Jun 2024 20:47:34
The success of an academy should be measured by how many players it puts into professional football in my opinion. It’s very easy for us as fans to think of youth players as assets who will hopefully save us money or win us trophies one day. That’s a fairly commonly accepted idea of what an academy should do.
But ultimately these are kids with hopes, dreams, emotions and hearts that can be broken. So for me, the number one priority of an academy is keeping the kids in a football related career and if that isn’t possible, making sure they still learn the tools needed to succeed in life and emotionally deal with the devastation of having your dream crushed at 14-21 years old.
I think from that point of view, Chelsea are maybe slightly better at developing young people in their academy than we are (historically at least) . But our academy is doing very well in the last 5 years and is finally catching up to the likes of Chelsea. The players who aren’t making it for us are starting get better careers after they leave our club.
We’re not producing as many top level players as Chelsea still, but we’re getting a lot of them careers in the football league if nothing else. And you cannot underestimate the importance of that from a human aspect. I know people who failed to make it in football after years in various academy’s and some of them still aren’t over it mentally even in their 40’s.
We’re doing better than we were and things seem to be on an upward trajectory. We’ve not got more talent in the academy than we had in the past, we’re just giving them a pathway to first team opportunities or finding them loans that are good for them instead of loans that are good for us. We have had loads of talented players who we held back in u21’s football for far too long or tossed out on loan to clubs looking for squad padding.
But that’s all changed in recent years. We’re constantly bringing kids up from the academy to cameo for the first team. And when we get them loans, we get them loans where they’ll play. And if they don’t play we terminate them and find them a new loan. It’s significantly improved from the days where we allowed talented young players get stuck in limbo.
28 Jun 2024 22:05:43
Come off it Ed that is hilarious 😆
hugely success and stayed at the club for years. In recent times, Reece James, Loftus-Cheek, Mount, Christiansen, Colwill, Gallacher, Abraham
Literally Reece James when fit hasn’t been bad and Christiansen but the rest please
John Terry and Graham lesaux (excuse spelling) are the only decent players Chelsea have grown while understanding the potential they had and not letting them go, churning out 😂😂😂, + rice olise ake guehi they became the players they are under other managers nothing to do with the quality of the youth team, decent players educated by better management
Everyone else has been kak, not to mention the first team players Chelsea has dismissed and discarded, salah for example.
{Ed002's Note - It is simply degraded in to the usual embarrasing abuse.}
27 Jun 2024 17:38:41
Hey edd002 seeing a few rumours that we are one of the clubs in for kimmich any chance you can clarify? Cheers.
{Ed002's Note - Joshua Kimmich (DM) Bayern Munich may now make him available, a significant fee would be sought - well beyond what interested sides Barcelona or Manchester City would pay for a 28 year old on €400k per week although Manchester City may well look to find a solution that suits everybody. A wildcard option would be Manchester United or Arsenal. New coach will have a say at Bayern Munich.}
27 Jun 2024 22:06:53
Hope not. He’s over the hill.
28 Jun 2024 08:25:59
28 and over the hill.
Quality stuff.
28 Jun 2024 08:36:23
How is 29 over the hill? 🤦🏻♂️
At £400k a week he’s not a sensible signing but there is no evidence he’s over the hill. Still one of the top 5 players in world football at both RB and DM.
I can only assume you’re about 16 years old Victor because you clearly have no idea about the aging process if you think 29 is over the hill. Most people I know hit their physical peak around 30 years old.
If 29 years old is over the hill then christ, Ed025 has fallen in the Grand Canyon.
28 Jun 2024 11:27:50
Do most footballers hit their peak at 30?
28 Jun 2024 14:42:48
He is well past his sell by date at 29. He’d get absolutely rinsed in the premier league. And let’s not forget what a waste of money the last 29 year old was that we signed from Bayern was, Kimmich would be just as bad if not worse because of his horrendous wage demands.
28 Jun 2024 18:50:44
Most definitely peak around 28-32 years old. Kimmich is in his prime.
Thiago was one of our best players when fit. It’s a shame his injuries got progressively worse for us, but let’s not pretend he wasn’t a joy to watch when he was fit. That’s just dishonest. We wouldn’t have all been so gutted when he got injured if he was a bad footballer.
28 Jun 2024 20:21:45
Nonsense that 28-32 is peak years, from 29/ 30 is when performances tend to start tailing off as a general rule. 24-28 is more like the peak years and certainly there’s no point signing 28 year olds, let alone someone who will be 30 soon. Given Kimmich is 30 during the season he is at the tail end of his career.
By your reckoning Casemiro should have been at his peak when he signed for United, however the truth was he was way past his best at 30 and got absolutely rinsed. Or when they signed Schweinstieger when he was 30.
Now they can’t get shot of an unfit 32 year old on huge wages who they paid an absolute fortune for. Similarly and I must question your memory here MK, how badly did Fabinho fall off at 29? How badly did Wijnaldum fall off after he turned 29?
There is no doubt that Thiago was a poor signing in the cold hard light of day. That’s not at all dishonest, it’s a statement of reality and all of the circumstances.
How often was he available? He was injured more often than not. And what made it worse is that the red flags were there from before he signed him with his horrendous injury history. I’m not swayed by a few fancy flicks and the odd Hollywood pass.
As for Kimmich, he is too old. He’ll be a very expensive failure like Thiago or Casemiro. And that’s without going into the fact that he’s known to be a toxic player around the squad, certainly along with Neuer, Muller and Sane and we don’t need that.
28 Jun 2024 21:16:52
Hence why I said most players VV. for every player you can list who peaked before 30 I could name one who peaked after so that’s a pointless route to take in this debate. Modric, Thiago Silva, Ibrahimovic, Totti, Nesta, Ronaldo, Kroos, Puyol, Zidane, Alonso, Lewandowski, Benzema, Giroud, Kompany, Hyypia, Beckham, Lucio, Milito, Sneijder, Gilberto, Cafu, Carvajal, Chivu, Milner, Nacho, Klose, Costa etc
It has to be taken case by case still, of course. But in my opinion the average peak years are 28-32. For speedy wingers maybe it’s closer to 24-28 on average but even then Robben and Ribery peaked around 30 years old. It varies. You can’t throw a blanket on it for every player. Kimmich has shown absolutely no sign of decline. He was one of the only bright sparks in Bayern’s season.
Saying he is over the hill because he’s 29 is just lazy. You just look silly to be honest mate. Virgil was 28/ 29 when we won the league. Henderson, Matip, Firmino, Mane and Wijnaldum were similar. Salah, Fabinho and Alisson weren’t far behind. Milner was about 34. Even Robbi was about 27. By your logic they were all over the hill about past their peak. Make that make sense for me. There’s only one person on these pages consistently talking nonsense mate. You’ve gotten yourself labelled as a troll even by the Editors with your over the top sweeping statements.
27 Jun 2024 16:43:26
Looking for any update on players the Ed’s see as realistic transfer targets for us. I know you will have covered it and I’m happy to search if you could give me the right prompt. bored of all the paper gossip, just looking for solid info on who we’re actually likely to go for. Cheers Ed’s for all the work you do, must get stressful this time of year so much appreciated.
{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any changes to what I have previously said.}
27 Jun 2024 15:22:36
Hello Eds,
Do you have any news on the interest of Rayan Ait-Nouri, supposed interest from Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea with Liverpool in more advanced talks, certainly see Tsimikas leaving this window, so a like for like replacement
Again, thank you for all the information.
{Ed002's Note - Rayan Ait-Nouri (LWB) Barcelona's interest in Ait-Nouri has likely moved on as they focus on another. The player is on the list of LWB options Chelsea are considering but they have a far preferred option. Potential option for Arsenal who need to bolster the position or Liverpool if they look to upgrade on Robertson, although his injury issues seem to now be behind him and I doubt the player would want to simply be cover. Watched by scouts from Manchester United and Manchester City - who are likely to start to push as they think about replacing Sergio Gomez and making better use of Ake. PSG have declared an interest in Ait-Nouri to replace Kurzawa and it is where his agent would like him to move to - but he would not be first pick.}
27 Jun 2024 15:01:29
Hi Ed002,
If you have some time I would appreciate a reply.
Apologies if you are being bombarded with the same questions as I am sure the media are probably spinning stories cause there is no news. That being said do you believe there is declared interest in Eberechi Eze from Liverpool? It seems a strange one to me that I don't believe due to the amount of left sided players currently in the ranks.
Thank you Ed002.
{Ed002's Note - Eberechi Eze (AM/LW) Crystal Palace have no intention of selling the player who struggled until he was at QPR and is now excelling at Palace. Previous enquiries from Spurs and Newcastle were turned away but I expect Spurs may return with an offer that will matvh his release clause. Chelsea do remain keen but would need to provide assurances of a starting role as an AM player and that will prove to be an issue and that will discount them. Arsenal have sent scouts on a few occasions but have preferred targets and dwindling space in the squad. A wildcard may be one of the Manchester clubs.
Liverpool has other targets should Diaz depart.}
27 Jun 2024 19:07:21
Not having a go but any player Liverpool are linked with Chelsea also seem to be in for.
27 Jun 2024 16:18:56
Ed, could you be so kind as to mention who a few of those targets are to potentially replace Diaz if/ when he leaves.
{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any changes to what I have previously said.}
27 Jun 2024 17:18:40
Cheers Ed002 👍🏼.
27 Jun 2024 18:51:41
Ed are the other targets if Diaz departs for the RW position such as Raphina Bakayoko?
{Ed002's Note - Diaz plays LW.}