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05 Jun 2018 14:20:06
Seeing that we've signed Fabinho, are in confirmed discussions with Lyon for Fekir and enquiries in for a GK or two it's safe to say transfer dealings are underway. So has there been any recent activity on outgoings? Clyne, Mignolet and Lallana in particular?

Thank You.

Jurgen McFurgen

1.) 05 Jun 2018 15:32:43
Nope. Very little activity in general.
Ejaria is off to Rangers and Dhanda to Swansea.
No change to what Ed002 said quite some time ago. Napoli could be a solution for Mignolet and there is some interest in Clyne from Prem clubs. Markovic will be released and Sturridge will probably end up seeing out his contract on loan somewhere. Don't expect us to get any shiny pennies for any surplus players, they aren't exactly hot properties. I expect clubs have a list of priorities and our either bang average or injury prone players aren't exactly right at the tops of their lists.

2.) 05 Jun 2018 16:47:39
Buying British players has its cons as they won’t have any suitors outside PL.

3.) 05 Jun 2018 16:57:32
Lallana, Sturridge (see what WB paid us), Markovic, Matip?, Migs will all achieve a fee if and when sold/ loaned albeit not much.

4.) 05 Jun 2018 18:06:08
Rubbish Harry. Do you know what Nationality the guy who scored Real Madrid's winning goal against us is?

Sturridge's best chance at a move is probably to Sevilla.

It is British players that tend not to be interested in playing abroad rather than the other way around. There is more money in English football and it is the most competitive league in Europe. So why would they leave to go and get racially abused in Italy, Spain or Russia?




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23 Jun 2018 17:18:29
Read €180m firm bid on Asensio. Obviously click bait right?

Jurgen McFurgen

1.) 23 Jun 2018 17:23:42
Probably. Not gona lie I clicked. Haha.

2.) 23 Jun 2018 17:26:33
Textbook clickbait.

3.) 23 Jun 2018 17:29:13
Ha ha ha ha, you need to ask?



12 Jun 2018 12:53:55
Afternoon Eds. Would you guys have any info about Butlands injury history? He was out for a long while. Seeing as he's linked and becoming more possible and with the Fekir deal collapsing due to injury history.

Many Thanks.

Jurgen McFurgen

{Ed002's Note - He broke his ankle about 13 or four years ago.}

1.) 12 Jun 2018 15:19:04
Not sure I understand the answer ED but am just taking it as my question was crap. Fair play dude.

{Ed002's Note - I am on a train, 3 or 4 years.}

2.) 12 Jun 2018 18:24:31
Just go on transfermarkt and search for him, in a sub menu you can see his (and anybody you want to search) injury record.

3.) 12 Jun 2018 22:32:42
transfermarkt isn't as reliable as some make out Philinho mate.



11 Jun 2018 14:14:35
I see a few posts comparing the Fekir situation with other transfer targets of Klopp from previous windows. VVD and Keita. How Klopp was willing to wait it's the same here etc.

Is it the same though? Is it common for a transfer to have gotten as far as it appeared without a fee agreement? Surely shirt numbers being picked, medicals which must cost a bomb and interviews with kit on etc.

How is this anywhere close to the previous transfer sagas? How could we not have agreed a fee to have gotten to that point?

Thank You.

Jurgen McFurgen

1.) 11 Jun 2018 14:44:36
My guess would be that the club, with permission from the French FA and Lyon got the medical etc out the way with the intention of agreeing a fee so it didn’t get in the way of the French preparation for the WC.
Unfortunately a fee couldn’t be agreed and now people are guessing it is due to the medical, when it could be simply the two sides couldn’t agree on the terms.

Therefore the deal isn’t dead per se, but we either do what Lyon want or move on to an alternative.

2.) 11 Jun 2018 14:50:06
People were saying Edwards should get a statue for signing fekir for 48 mil! Lol, his low ball offer ruined the deal. The lad I'd worth 60mil, just pay it.

3.) 11 Jun 2018 14:57:04
Really? You think we’d have allowed Coutinho over to Barcelona to chose a shirt and conduct interviews emote we ageeed a fee?
Just saying to those who compare to VVD and waiting or Keita and agreeing for next season (this) this situation is nothing alike. Everything was agreed to get to this point. We walked away. We won’t go back Klopp is waiting on anything. It’s dead, it is no more. Nothing like VVD or Keita, Fekir isn’t fit to insure or to risk or both. Match fitness yes, going to WC and will have a great season next year. But for long term investment of £50m++ no. Never.

4.) 11 Jun 2018 15:13:44
Purely guess work, either we had agreed and pulled out due to the medical or we tried to renegotiate after the medical and using that as a reason to drive the price down to which Lyon probably told us to get stuffed.

5.) 11 Jun 2018 15:28:41
if both sides thought that a deal would be agreed then yes, as it is the selling club that are making that investment in both time and money plus last year there wasn’t a world cup so there wasn’t the added element of how it effects their national team.

I haven't seen anything from the eds (unless i have missed it to suggest it was a medical issues) so until then I still think a deal can be agreed.

6.) 11 Jun 2018 15:35:49
Sorry for my blasé post. Liverpool must've had a reason for not signing him. I support the club no matter who we sign. I'd support them if we signed fellini.

I'd love them with all my heart if they were in the 2nd division, struggling to stay afloat. But I'm still allowed to be dissapointed the t we didn't sign fekir.

7.) 11 Jun 2018 16:18:43
Can someone please explain to me the reasoning for the multitude of posts from Liverpool supporters about Fekir apparently failing a medical for whatever reason, yet the guy has played near on 100 games the last two seasons for Lyon and France. I find it very hard to believe a guy can play almost 100 games in two years but not be fit enough to pass a medical. Are Liverpool supporters suggesting the Lyon and French National team medical staff are inept at their jobs?

8.) 11 Jun 2018 17:12:01
Personally I wouldn't be surprised if the whole failed medical scenario was a complete fabrication by those who professed "the deal is done, will be announced at 9pm" to cover the fact they were talking crap.

9.) 11 Jun 2018 17:31:22
Just wow no official confirmation on any of the above medics comments nobody except the two clubs know why the deal hasn't been completed could be any number of reasons.

10.) 11 Jun 2018 17:52:52
Let it go guys.

11.) 11 Jun 2018 19:02:01
Can people stop repeating the tired "LFC tried to low ball Lyon" nonsense cos till further notice, NONE of that is true. Also, There is NO way Lyon would have allowed us to do the medical without a fee being agreed and all that. That much is fact. Now, Fekir has had two arthroscopic surgeries on the same knee since 2015 when he got it reconstructed. The last "scope" he got was in March which was just 3 months ago. This is not me talking. This is all over the French media. Fekir may have played a thousand games prior BUT in the end, it is up to LFC to to protect themselves from any liability if there is any doubt. Why? Cos we play a very high octane system and it takes it's toll on your joints and not to mention that the PL is the most physical league in Europe.

If our medical team has any doubt, it is within their right to present their concerns and even then, we were ready to go ahead with the deal hence, we asked for a second opinion. If Lyon refused that and demanded we take Fekir as is then, why in the heck should we just accept it? So we can please a bunch of petulant, spoiled brats who call themselves fans? To placate those who have no idea about the stark realities of football nor realize that players actually FAIL medicals? NO WAY.

We're dealing with millions of pounds here and LFC is not a charity and neither is Lyon. If what is said in the French media is true then we had every right to walk away from the deal as Fekir is now Lyon's prob. and even if another club signs him now, I still wouldn't care cos he will be their prob as well. We move on.

12.) 11 Jun 2018 23:35:01
It'll be interesting to see how his knee holds out over the next 2/ 3 years if he doesn't sign for Liverpool.

13.) 11 Jun 2018 23:03:51
Fair enough. I did take back my comment about low balling. It was said in z blasé manner rather than coming from petulance.

Someone said it earlier, we already have a fantastic team, we have fabs and Keita coming too. I am happy. I'd like a new keeper but if not I'm still happy with the team. And I'll be pleased with anyone we sign.

I'm glad we dodged a bullet if what brover is saying is true.



08 Jun 2018 15:14:02
What is a bit of a shame is the constant checking on the Fekir deal every five minutes, once it is done is great but then it's craving and doing the same on the next deal. I'm the same and it's a bit of a shame cause we signed an awesome player last week and not really enjoyed it so much cause it's been all Fekir.
Once Fekir is done it'll be all about Alisson or Leno or whoever. Just an observation.

Jurgen McFurgen

1.) 08 Jun 2018 15:26:03
Not much anybody can do about that. It's a website that focuses on transfers, it's the off-season for games, but peak season for transfers, rumours and people letting their blood pressure go through the roof. 😊.

2.) 08 Jun 2018 16:03:30
Try after 5pm mate 😉.



07 Jun 2018 22:17:02
Good evening Eds. Hope you're all well.
General question, more your opinion on transfers fees.
Not going into the depth of money involved and basing this question on reported fees paid for players. Last season saw Neymar £200m, which led to Dembele £150m, Coutinho £140m and Mbappe being priced north of £180m. This seemed like an explosion from the previous top fee, Pogba I think at £89m. It also seemed like a new acceptance and suddenly £75m for VVD was not really much of a blink. Above average players like Keane at £30m or Butland being priced at £40m was normal and Ox at £50m was just done. Whereas for me those last three were double their value from a season previous with prices.

So now this window just started and we look like we've signed a sort after Brazilian at £39m and Lyons captain at £44m. (And include Fred to Utd at £53m) . These two together are surely classed as level with VVD, potential to be world class and currently at the top end of their positions. Yet combined they've cost the same as we were paying for VVD during last summers boom.

So was last season a massive one off? Are fees already just returning to a more normal level? Were we then really lucky to have sold Coutinho when we did for what we did as this summer it's half really not £150m. Interested to know what you guys see and think as you're closer to that world. If you have time.

Thank you.

Jurgen McFurgen

{Ed025's Note - market forces dictate the prices JMc but i see what you mean mate..

1.) 07 Jun 2018 22:39:13
Jm, it's the same every few years, there is some massive signing, coutinio or Neymar now. I remember Roberto Baggio going for £7 mil to juve, it seemed crazy! People were gobsmacked.

I remember the kaka transfer, over 100 million euroes I think, as gain people were gob smacked.

Five years ago fab and ox would have been 20mil plus players. Two hundred million for Neymar was crazy but it was a buyout clause and the team are owned by a country. Its not just a great forward you get with Neymar, it's a brand, like Ronaldo.
I'd take Bale over Neymar or Ronaldo though, that's going to be a massive fee if it happens. Depends on who is managing Los blancos, if it was me I'd tell Bale he starts every game, no way would I sell him.

2.) 07 Jun 2018 23:19:42
I think it's going to stay mad the way Chinese clubs are slapping huge figures on players like Oscar and such. That's pushing up values too. Not to mention the oil monies coming into the game. Remember when Rio Ferdinand to United raised eyebrows.

3.) 07 Jun 2018 23:47:23
I think the Chinese government put a 100% tax on foreign players though didn't they? They didn't want all their money going abroad, if I'm correct. There was a slight boom a few years ago, but you won't get the same outlays as regularly unless something changes there.

4.) 08 Jun 2018 00:21:45
You also need to look at how many years are left on each contract etc! All prices aren’t on the same terms.

5.) 07 Jun 2018 22:36:59
Thanks Ed. I know it was a long winded question, just didn’t know a shorter way to get across my thoughts. So basically unless Ronaldo or Bale move for £150m-£200m it should be business as usual.
Good. Prefer a more realistic expectation and if lucky enough to have the reported £200m budget, be happier to get four quality players then two with that. Yes, yes let’s not talk money or budgets etc, but you all know what I mean.

Thanks again, have a top evening.

{Ed025's Note - you too mate..

6.) 08 Jun 2018 07:27:43
I think Prince Hendo, Baggio went for double that to Juve around £14m.
It was more the spike. The fees increase each year sure, but the sudden jump. Yes 10 years ago £20m was huge and now it’s common. But I meant more how £50m-£60m was getting you an elite player the season before last, Pogba was a jaw dropper at £89m, when only players like Ronaldo and Bale we’re around That. It was as going to happen, the first £100m player and he was going to be special. But bang Neymar £200m, Dembele £152m Mbappe £180+m. Then a defender VVD can be £75m. It was just a massive jump in one season. Honestly would we have expected to get half the Coutinho fee the previous summer?
By tracking a path these figures shouldn’t have happened for many years. So I was interested to know if it’s going to normal or return to that path looking at our two recent deals for two top draw players. Ed answered.




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19 Jun 2018 18:13:57
His number is 8. Thanks Salah. That’s the thing I don’t know enough but he’s being banned around like the final piece of anyone’s jigsaw. Glad he’s top draw. Hope he settles in.

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19 Jun 2018 12:53:58
Is Keita really THAT good? Not so much the RM wanting to pay double, but is he a player who can single handed win the league? Obviously that’s impossible, but some players are the difference needed. I Don’t recall reading we were up against many to sign him.

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14 Jun 2018 10:55:13
Like the look of August, or nine point August as it shall now be named.

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13 Jun 2018 07:33:13
Are they in the CL next season? Bet in our group if they are.

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12 Jun 2018 20:04:25
Not good enough.

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20 Jun 2018 14:02:43
Think he’s progressing as planned. He’s adapted to full back well although he’d prefer CB, understand that’s the option this season. He’s had good first team minutes and experience. Had his injuries but always came back with the same quality and reliability. Yes made mistakes, but he’s young and played out of favoured position, but he’s also had many occasions where he’s been one of the best defenders.
Easy 7/ 10 and looking if he continues as an easy 8/ 10 which is the standard required imo to be a Liverpool first team regular (no one is really 10/ 10 except the odd Italian defender) .

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16 Jun 2018 18:06:58
Sure. I borrowed it from Steve McMananan and has been seen by a few others so no problem lending it out.

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16 Jun 2018 14:02:29
Fekir is not happening and after catching the second half it now feels a shame. I’m sure we will have a great second opinion. Our third one last summer worked out ok.

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15 Jun 2018 12:53:35
Thing is it’s like it’s entitlement. Just cause a question is asked here doesn’t mean it has to be answered or answer has be in depth or lengthy. I believe the EDs do this site for free or at least not a lot and have to deal with a sea of abusive morons. They still continue to help here with info.

I don’t always get the response I’d hope sometimes no response but it just doesn’t phase me. Just wish people, general no one in particular, stay polite and respectful.

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15 Jun 2018 09:52:01
Maybe Malcolm or Martins. Bet they’re looking at Salah more so now.

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