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04 Dec 2018 21:37:15
Changed whole back 4,rested sterling and aguero whilst their player of last season KDB is injured . Still strolling in all their games . this is what Liverpool are up against this absolute juggernaut.


1.) 04 Dec 2018 22:23:00
Very nearly threw it away though. This is not over, even City will drop points and we have to be there when they do.


2.) 04 Dec 2018 22:24:10
It’s going to take 100 points to win the league this year.
Ridiculous.


3.) 04 Dec 2018 22:29:53
*in excess of 100 points* even.


4.) 04 Dec 2018 22:57:19
Either ourselves or City are going to obliterate the record for most points scored by a runner up in the PL this season.

Arsenal or Chelsea could set a record for 3rd too.


5.) 04 Dec 2018 23:00:32
Yes Juicer, but remember Klopp still has to win the league this season or else he’s a complete failure and should go back to Germany with his tail firmly between his legs.

{Ed025's Note - love it mate..


6.) 04 Dec 2018 23:07:24
OP IMO, I disagree. If people call that strolling thru a game then you prolly want to rethink what that word actually means. Our 4-0 win over WH on the opening day, was a stroll cos we didn't have to break a sweat really. That was not the case here, I'm sorry.

IMO, Watford actually worse than they did against us and created more chances against City than they did against us. City were very casual in their play and lacked any type of intensity and maybe the changes may have had something to do with that. The openings were there for Watford to exploit but simply lacked the quality to punish them on the counter.

There is a reason Pep was losing whatever hair he had left on his head with City's wastefulness up top, in possession and lack of energy. Watford could easily have gotten a point at the end not cos they were brilliant BUT cos City were frankly, disinterested. They had better be up for it vs Chealsea otherwise they have another thing coming.

Now will they win the PL regardless? Prolly. Do we need 100 points to win at least? Perhaps but let's not make them out like what they were not at least in this game cos they did not "stroll" it by any means, IMO.


7.) 04 Dec 2018 23:49:18
City different class In my eyes. Their depth in the front 3 is incredible. Only player they may miss is of Fernandinho picked up a knock, as I don’t see another similar type player. Doubt it will affect them though!


8.) 04 Dec 2018 23:53:30
Klopps a gonner in my opinion. Only way he stays is if we win something. Just can't see us getting any silverware.


9.) 05 Dec 2018 01:14:28
Klopp’s going nowhere regardless of what happens because sensible people are running the club. Which superstar DJ is going to get a better tune out of this bunch, may I ask?

{Ed0333's Note - Matador!


10.) 05 Dec 2018 04:15:14
Look how far the club has come since Klopp joined - we went from being hammered by Stoke to having played 3 cup finals and now second place in the league. A win is certainly going to happen eventually, and anyone that thinks he should be fired even if he doesn’t win a trophy this year is nuts.

Measuring success by continuous improvement of the team is a far better route to long term succes. as Man Utd found out by showing patience with Fergie. By comparison Mourinho won cups when he first joined Man Utd but look where they are now.


11.) 05 Dec 2018 05:36:41
Klopp’s reached second place and won zero trophies just the same as Brendon Rogers and he got the flick. I like Klopps personality and the swashbuckling football he often has us playing but, if success is judged on trophies alone, he hasn't improved us.
Id hate to see Klopp go and can't think of anyone to replace him either. he's probably our very best shot right now but im hoping he can go one better than his predecessor this season and bring home some silverware.


12.) 05 Dec 2018 06:09:44
Red lorry i was just about to post similar to in defence of my previous statement.

{Ed001's Note - it is not a defence as it ignores the fact that Rodgers was taking the club backwards when he got booted, he never got booted with the team in second place or in contention in the Champions League.}


13.) 05 Dec 2018 06:34:27
Well I’ve read some ridiculous stuff in my time but wow. Walter out of curiosity, is Christmas your worst time of year? Because you’re playing the grinch really well!


14.) 05 Dec 2018 06:33:20
Klopps the best man for the job and that's as simple as it gets for me. Look at the team we have now compared to what we had with Rodgers, look at how we're playing, it's a no brainer. Walter, you want rid of Klopp, who would you replace him with?


15.) 04 Dec 2018 23:29:42
Just checked and Leicester won the league with 81 points.
Sake.
City have Everton at home in a couple of weeks, you couldn’t have a word with your man Jordan, Ed025, get him to make a worldy in the last minute to give the Blues an unlikely 3 points. Just for your old muckers on Liverpool Banter, it being Christmas and that?

{Ed025's Note - i think we will give them a good game juicer but they are a really good side mate, if we do get a result though it will be for everton and not a goodwill gesture for our noisy neighbours im afraid, christmas is a humbug when it comes to football my friend.. :)


16.) 05 Dec 2018 06:54:02
Walter would replace Klopp with arsene of course. It’s all getting a bit old.

{Ed025's Note - i agree TJ..


17.) 05 Dec 2018 09:19:13
What I liked about Everton was that they were not afraid to try and play and didn't just try to keep 10 men behind the ball with one player up top hoping to nick a goal from somewhere.
They will play the same way against City as they did against us, so that puts them in with a chance of at least getting something from the game.
It's not like some other teams that seem to turn up and try to keep the goals against down to as little as possible.
It should be a good game.


18.) 05 Dec 2018 07:15:44
That is crazy talk to even consider sacking Klopp, what have we all been banging on about the last few years, we want to be consistently competitive and challenging to trophies. Currently that is what we are achieving, we are soo lucky to be in the position we are.

I hate this expectation of glory and the people that believe that the 80s glory years are something that can happen again, the league is changed and there are a lot more competitive teams.

Klopp is doing a good job. FACT!


19.) 05 Dec 2018 13:05:15
Lol I can’t believe people are comparing Rodgers with Klopp cos he hasn’t won anything. Klopp has got us to 3 finals and finished twice in the top 4 and is on course to do so again we don’t have a right to win anything but we need to be challenging. We now are! Rodgers finished once in the top 4, no finals and was sacked when languishing in 8th looking like man utd do right now- in need of a miracle. Short memories people. Careful what you wish for. There are plenty of top clubs that would take Klopp if we think he’s that dispensable. Can you say the same about Rodgers? Look at UTD, struggling with one of the worlds best coaches.


20.) 05 Dec 2018 18:17:20
Thanks Grizz.


21.) 05 Dec 2018 18:18:52
We can’t control what City do so there is no point worrying about it. All we can do is get as many points as possible and see where we end up at the end of the season.


22.) 05 Dec 2018 18:19:37
Walter klopp might not win any silverware but will not be sacked. he might leave the job by himself as he has not achieved what he wanted with LFC he is that kind of a guy.
the bigger problem we as a club will have is who to replace Klopp.
Emery or Sarri would have been my choice but that will not happens.
we can get the best manager from scottish league to replace him may be.


23.) 05 Dec 2018 22:21:12
For the poster asking about xmas i loath xmas. Absolutely hate it. I do it for my kids.
It has lost all meaning and its just about big business making money.
No idea who to replace klopp with. Hopefully a manager that can win something though. What about the Bournemouth manager?


24.) 06 Dec 2018 19:49:13
Walter and RedLorry, did BR make a CL, EL and EFL final while with us? Did he win anything with us or even get as close as Klopp has gotten us? BR was the only manager I know who actually make us weaker after he himself, bottled the PL that was there for the taking. I see you missed all of that. How convenient. Comparing Klopp to BR is like comparing Lampard with Iniesta cos they both scored 20 goals in a season.

BR can win a thousand trophies at that feckless Scottish PL he coaches at (He is so bad that a rookie Steven Gerrard is about to embarrass him this season) YET he will not equal what Klopp has achieved in his career. Those are the facts and NO, he is not getting sacked cos the owners are not that dumb. If Klopp can't get to where he wants us to be, he will leave on his own like he did with BVB after giving them back their dignity.


 

 

18 Jul 2018 17:07:41
This is exactly why the importance of consistently finishing top four should never be understated. It's what enables shopping in the elite bracket to continually improve the squad. Salah, Van Dijk, Keita, Fabinho and Alisson in the past year is evidence of it.


1.) 18 Jul 2018 17:41:54
Arsenal are already suffering my man. Sokratis, Leno, lichensteiner, guendouzi and torreria.

Yeah good players but not in the bracket of fabinho, vvd, keita, fekir, Alison.

Champions league is key. Not just money but it's where players want to play.

Yes we lost in 2 finals but klopp has shown these players that that is where he can get us on a regular basis.

You look even at city there best ever cl run was a semi final 🤣🤣.


 

 

22 Mar 2018 19:57:27
Hendos brother, those figures are entirely relevant to a discussion about FSG's financial commitment. We are actually behind Crystal Palace and West Brom in terms of transfer fee net spend over the last 5 years. Though keep in mind that our wage bill, agent fees and overheads eclipse their's significantly. We have also spent far more gross, but have made huge profits on Sterling, Suarez and Coutinho (signed for approx. £30m total and sold for approx. £250m total) .  

In terms of record transfer fees we can't complain because Virgil and Keita are both in the top 10 most expensive signings made by a Premier League club. We don't pay top wages yet though. Not compared to other European powerhouses. Not even compared to Arsenal.  

All I've done is give a balanced view mate.  

Our owners saved the club, improved the stadium, broke our transfer record more than once and have rectified early mistakes by getting in a top manager finally.  

I think Waro has a negative outlook on the owners in that he chooses to focus on the negatives, but he isn't a liar. He just really cares. FSG don't invest as much financially as others, they don't engage with the fans or the local community, and they are definitely in it for profit.  

The only thing I disagree with, that Waro has said, is that FSG are the reason we sell certain players. I don't believe they micro manage the club to that level. Any player sold, I am confident it is the people who run the club and the team who make the call. Klopp wanted Coutinho out. Everyone wanted Suarez out. Rodgers wanted Sterling out. Torres was seemingly allowed to leave because we weren't competing remotely at that time. I can't prove that though. It may well be propaganda to appease the fans? Sometimes there is a fire behind the smoke.  

I am willing to forgive FSG's past and continued mistakes if Liverpool continues to progress and they continue to improve us commercially so that we can compete with the rest in a sustainable way going forward.  

Some people are lynching Waro as if there is no substance to his hate. I have done it myself in the past regrettably, instead of taking the opportunity to consider an alternative view that may bring balance to my own views. I don't agree with it all, and I don't approve of the SOS or their actions. But I will defend their right to peaceful protest, until I die. They are only doing what they think is right from the club. Maybe SOS are misguided, or maybe we really are sheep? We'll find out in due course. Every year we don't win anything, i become more sceptical of FSG's commitment to success on the pitch.

Another great post from u MK.


1.) 22 Mar 2018 20:50:29
our transfer net spend is behind crystal palace and west brom? dang, we killing those guys on the table!


2.) 22 Mar 2018 21:04:31
Kopitef. Great post that mate. One of the best I've read on here.


3.) 22 Mar 2018 21:38:01
Kopitef. Well written I agree with nearly all of it. This summer we will really find out what the owners are made of.


4.) 22 Mar 2018 23:31:44
Does anybody think the 'net spend being less than west brom etc' will last till the end of the next transfer window?

If you take coutinho out of the calculation, how is the net spend? Or did we have to risk it and spend 100m + on Lemar mid-season to satisfy the net spend people?

The owners have taken loses, invested (even outside tranfers) and they are businessmen, like mostly all owners are. I think they have done fine within our resources (unless you want a man city type owner)

Also I have to say, some posters amaze me on how they manage to twist statistics to favour their argument.


5.) 22 Mar 2018 23:56:28
Very Good post man.


6.) 23 Mar 2018 01:12:36
So u lot want the owners to offer double the transfer fees and double the wages? Are yous on drugs if we are getting the same players on less wages than other teams are playing the that is damn good bussiness. We are improving all the time so why should the owners go pay a 150 mil for vvd when we got him for 75 or should they of paid 200 million for salah when we didn't need to pay even a quarter of that?
Or should the owners say look salah we are under paying you although u ask for a120 grand a week sorry we want to pay u more so why not have 250 grand a week is that what you want?
Kopitee your missing the point they said the owners are not spending or paying enough on wages now if they got who klopp wants for a less fee and less wages then clearly there is no need to be wasting money.
Unbelievable how fans want huge fees and wages when clearly there is no need that would be wasting money would it not?
The whole argument is about the owners not spending money and not about what your rabbiting on about look at it like this ave just paid 20000 pounds for an Audi rs4 should I have offered him double? No ****ing way that would just be plane stupid maybe you lot would be happy if LFC ended up bankrupt and our football club was no more is that what u all want?
Football is a bussiness there for if there's no need to pay double the fees we are paying and double the wages then it's damn good bussiness it's pritty ovs if any of you lot was running bussiness with that mind set they wouldn't be around for long.


7.) 23 Mar 2018 01:22:39
John it's unreal how these fans think we should waste money for the fun of it like u say it's bussiness and it's quite clear none of these could run one without bankrupting it with in days. maybe they would of been more happy paying 150 million for vvd or 300 mil for salah or even 180 for naby when clearly there is no ****ing need to. or maybe to keep up with the jones and to bump our wage bill up we should just go a double every players wages that's one hell of an idea.


8.) 23 Mar 2018 02:14:19
Also goes to show just how brain dead some fans are when they congratulating u on your post kop yet you clearly state it was mks oringinal post so clearly they abviously haven't read it properly even more so apart from john and faith the rest of you need to go read the op from waro to find out what the post is all about but it no wonder players and these owners who have give klopp what he wants want out!
Mindless idiots that want the owners to pay huge fees and wages when clearly there is no need as klopp has got who he wants without a net spend like united or the wage bill like Chelsea united and city.
Maybe we should of signed Mendy instead of Robertson or pogba instead of salah and pay them the wages united and city are paying them to please the mindless fans in the financial department when it clear which 2 players Are value and which ones are expensive flops. but no let's all dis the owners for not wasting needless millions.
Nobody is doubting the owners have made mistakes but they are learning and the team is improving and are backing klopp in the transfer market. Even if we won the cl this season and the league next season waro and his moron sidekicks on here will be complaining coz our net spend and wage bill is lower than the likes of city, united, Chelsea and arsenal.


9.) 23 Mar 2018 03:15:01
Great post kopitef, agree with everything you said. I personally am pro FSG but the net spend is a worry, hopefully it will be rectified in the summer as we really are only a few players away from a legitimate title challenge.

In recent years after rodgers FSG seemed to have upped their game. Spending, recruitment, youth player policy, fitness, stadium expansion are all major positives. I do wish more was done to listen to the fans, i know many disagree but personally i believe safe standing areas can very much succeed and will improve the atmosphere for all. I would love to see more ticket schemes for young local people of my age and younger to get them going the game at affordable prices, and more community work done. Although some people have their gripes we are in the best position we have ever been in the premier league era on and off the field.

The issue of players leaving is not something we can hold against the owners though. Suarez was a walking PR disaster and needed to be sold for our own dignity, and we got the most we could out of him. Sterling i actually have no qualms about and i genuinly support his decision to leave because our management at that point in time was awful, i don't believe he would have moved if klopp had come in sooner. Coutinho had been at the club for 5 years and thought he was bigger than the club, he couldn't even muster up one last hurrah until the summer and will not get a champions league medal if Barcelona win, it was an idiotic decision on his part but the money we got for him was outrageous compared to his quality. What are you really supposed to do about any of those players leaving. Things will only change when we get consistent success on the field again and consistent champions league football, which hopefully we can achieve. When FSG leave we will be in a far better position than when they came in, and i can guarantee the new owners will most likely be the shiny oligarch types that some fans crave so much.

Like you say posters like Waro are always entitled to their voice and opinions, but they have to remember we are entitled to ours as well and need to stay well away from branding the rest of us as 'sheep' and other derogratory terms, we all only want what is best for the club, we are all liverpool.

{Ed001's Note - how is this idiocy about net spend relevant? What about the spending on the ground? Does that not affect things? People are clearly completely out of their depth talking about money. Net spend is patently false anyway as the figures are absolute bull. They are not adjusted for the 10% the selling team loses to previous clubs and the players transferred. So immediately that makes the figures complete nonsense, without agents fees, solicitors fees, taxes etc. This is another moronic thread that is just showing that Ed002 has been wasting his time trying to educate you all with the posts he keeps putting up for some of the hard of thinking which tells you all the associated costs involved in transfers. So few of you have the sense to understand it, quite clearly.}


10.) 23 Mar 2018 05:00:00
Ed 001 I got to agree with you. Infact Swiss Rambles analysis of financial statements clearly throws everything in the original post of this thread in the bin.
Another reason why net spend doesn't make too much sense to me as a concept is because every payment is scheduled and factoring of the same might be done differently (not sure if that is the case with liverpool) .
Feel bad for Ed002's attempt at explaining how finance works at times.
Anyway, I hope you lot keep up the good work.

{Ed001's Note - glad someone is actually bothering to listen, cheers RI. Swiss Ramble has far more knowledge of this area than anyone, I keep recommending his blog but no one here wants the truth, they just want to find reasons to whine it seems.

You do make another good point there about schedule of payments as well. Something that can make a huge difference.}


11.) 23 Mar 2018 05:12:59
I don't claim to have any knowledge of finances ed001 and often stay away from it, the net spend stuff is not my own argument but one used by people who criticise FSG, so not myself. I don't think its fair to call an entire thread moronic when we are talking about the state of the club as a whole with a brief mention of finances.

{Ed001's Note - it is perfectly fair if people are too stupid to understand that their argument is based on false figures. If the finances were not the main stick being used to hit FSG with, I might well agree with you. However the imbecilic net spend argument is the main basis of the argument against them. It is being used as proof that they are not investing, when it is no such thing.}


12.) 23 Mar 2018 05:21:55
Ed01 what kopite has done here is copy and pasted what mk wrote yestaday backing waro up in response to something he posted to me about our owners yesterday, very anti as usual.
Unfortunately for me my English litritchure, writing spelling, punctuation is shocking so it's hard for me to get my point across, numbers and work am great with but this is hard for me.
Ave got no interest at all in finances of the club it's not my money. I support the club pay to go watch them and it's money well spent at mo to be fair. I used figures in my post just to say basiacially, surely it's good bussiness for the owners if the wage bill is low and the net spend isn't high yet we are moving in the right direction and improving on the grass which as fans is the most important thing. But waro as he is wants the owners out coz they only in iit to take the money. And mk was agreeing with him and produced states of what the owners have spent and our wage bill. but like a was trying to say then am not to arsed what they spend the bussiness side of things is there's to worry about and as far as a can see they have backed klopp. Yes they have made mistakes, the only part that concerns me as a fan is if we have and are improving as a team, club since they arrived and surely the answer had to be yes.
This what a said to waro the other day and mk how is it relevant to what us as fans want? Surely as supporters we want to see the team challenging for trophies and not about how much the owners are making or spending. A hope you understand what a was trying to get across to waro rather than him trying to tell people the owners are fleesing and robbing us paying fans as he likes to think when that is simply not the case.
EdO2 is right not to discuss finances he is also right most of us don't have a clue and some of us in my case are not interested!
Woolback you need to go further down and read what started all this instead of butting in as you haven't a clue your reply is total contradictory. U haven't even read what kopite wrote as he has stated it was mks post and he has copy and pasted it, adoubt he has even read the original tread properly just someone else wanting to jump on the owners case. also the likes of Jayden have read this and as usual jumped on the band wagon without a clue to what this post was about in the first place you need to search waro and read the op about him yet agen attacking the owners of the club for no reason.
Agen ed01 a hope you can understand what am trying to say that's it's unjust that waro snd co should be attacking the owners, in my opinion for something that has nothing to do with us as supporters I am happy paying my money to go watch LFC and think it's money well spent as I can see the team improving all the time. there for quite content that we are moving in the right direction under them and sooner or later we will be winning trophies if not this season that I have no doubt about.


13.) 23 Mar 2018 06:49:21
I think that if people separated an outcome from the intention, then we'd all have a far more enjoyable time supporting the club.


14.) 23 Mar 2018 06:50:36
Hendos brother your ability to have a normal debate is also shocking. Surely you can get your point across without having to revert to name calling or accusing other fans of being on drugs all because they commit the crime of not sharing the same opinion as you. Hence why i skipped past your comments after reading the opening sentences and saved wasting a couple of minutes of my life.


15.) 23 Mar 2018 07:12:15
Yeah atleast faith what it should be about.


16.) 23 Mar 2018 07:19:45
“Ed001's Note - . People are clearly completely out of their depth talking about money. ”

Therein lies the truth. We as fans are not exposed to all the money which is spent by a football club. Even if someone scrutinises our books, they don’t go and scrutinise every other clubs books too.

The only question that matters to me is: Are we making progress? The answer is “yes” in which case my attitude is “don’t rock the boat” 🤝.


17.) 23 Mar 2018 07:40:24
I don't understand why money is even discussed to be honest, what's the point? if it's my money then fine but it's not. It's completely irrelevant discussing the money side of things. We've improved drastically the past couple of years and continuing to do so, that's all I'm bothered about.


18.) 23 Mar 2018 08:20:24
Cheers Kopitef. I didn't expect many people to see it.

Just on the net spend thing, I wasn't intending it to come across as a stick to beat the owners with. I was simply using it as an example as to why some people are sceptical. We don't see the adjusted figures that take away bonuses, agent fees, signing fees, sell on clauses etc. We see the raw transfer figure printed in the media. I did ask people to keep in mind that FSG are still financing higher wages, agent fees and general unseen costs. I'm not saying FSG don't invest enough. I'm simply pointing out that compared to say, Man City or PSG's owners, they are not investing as much as others and they have a more profit driven model. Nowhere have I said they don't invest enough or that they are bad owners who don't want success on the pitch.

This goes both ways. Compare it to Mike Ashley, and he clearly is more profit driven than FSG. It's all about perspective. If you live in Antarctica, the grass is greener in the Sahara desert!

I'm not stating that I think FSG are not investing enough, just pointing out that from a isolated transfer fee perspective, and an isolated average wage perspective, they are only investing the 5th most in the Premier League. This doesn't include add on fees or individual salary performance bonuses though. So wilst I don't think that matters as long as we continue to progress, my point was that Waro is more sceptical and has doubts we can take the next step because we cannot compete with Man City or Man United in the transfer market or wage department.

FSG have had 7 years now so why can we still not compete? Those questions need answering. I think it is more down to the money being poorly invested, rather than not enough money being invested. Waro sees it differently though and that is okay.

I stated clearly all the good FSG have done including breaking our transfer record on about 5 occassions and investing significantly in expanding Anfield. I've not said anywhere that "FSG don't invest enough because of the net spend". I elaborated on that statement and pointed out that they invest significantly elsewhere.

I just don't believe Waro deserves to be called an "idiot" or "stupid" etc. On the contrary, the other side of the argument don't deserve to be called "sheep". We all have an opinion on what is best for the club, but that is the point. We all want what is best for the club. Do you know what I think is best for the club? A fan base that can live in harmony and not disrespect one another for different views that may or may not be based on misinformation in the press.


19.) 23 Mar 2018 09:10:13
Mk the world is never going to be like that, people disagree and will always disagree difference of opinion will always be there, you do remember malak yeah? . In a way it makes things interesting it would be a sad world if everybody thought the same, on the other hand tho something's are better left alone like how people spend there money which has completely nothing to do with anybody else, and because waro doesn't like How fsg are spending there's he starts a hate campaign against them.

Ur still missing the point there was no need for you to bring these figures up in the post as they where all wrong figures so what did u achieve by it apart from misleading people agen? I have said time and agen am not interested in the finances of the game and am not going to tell other people how they should spend there money. Like I and other posters have said the only thing that matters are we improving? and that is yes.
A don't recall anybody calling waro a lyer either something else u seem to have made up people that live in Liverpool have not heard fans go on the way he says and I have never heard fans go on the way he says when going to games. Therefore it's his very small circle of friends and nobody else, but you are making things up to suit yourself just like with the figures that are total untrue and not needed.
Like a said to waro and let this sink in please I spend my money to watch my team and to me at the moment it's money well spent more so then when Rafa was in charge. So please don't bring figures up as like a said to you it is irrelevant rather than relevant


20.) 23 Mar 2018 09:24:04
I would really just like to know what people expect of the owners. Seems like things are going pretty well now after several years of uncertainty, near administration, and an education for owners getting to grips with a sports investment unlike their others. We're kicking on, breaking records, spending on par with our rivals and building something special. It's easy to think the grass is greener, but our lawn is pretty lush from where I'm sitting right now.


21.) 23 Mar 2018 09:48:50
Hendos brother, you are a complete. No I'll refrain from calling you names on an individual basis I'm bigger than that. Your totally and utterly missing the point, your saying I'm asking for money to be splashed around for the sake of it, now I want you to read this next bit slowly.

If we were consistently winning trophies and challenging/ winning the league I'd be over the moon if we spent nothing zero zip nada and had an entire squad made up of academy players, but I live in the real world with facts, and the facts show we've one (1) singular Carling Cup and had two (2) champions league appearances under FSG's tenure, that is why wages need to be improved on that's why we should NEVER sell our best players to fund the transfer window, you can't keep putting up VVD as the argument they'll spend big and you can't keep saying Robertson as an argument for not spending.


22.) 23 Mar 2018 10:35:33
Waro - we all want to win trophies that is the aim after all. I am 50-50 on the owners and I think by the end of the summer we will all have a clearer picture of their intentions.

The team is improving, we have the CL money so things are getting better. I think we all agree we need 3 or 4 top players to take us to the next level, so if the owners provide the funds for 3 players as good as Salah, VVD, Keita then we can't complain.

Give everyone at the club the chance to add 3 or 4 top players in the summer and then we should have a team that can win trophies.

{Ed002's Note - It is a pity you also struggle to see what they have done for the club - Liverpool were losing £1M a week during their first three years in charge - who picked up the tab for that? Who has maxed out the money they can contribute to transfers and stay (sort of) in compliance with FFP? Who has loaned the club money and not taken the interest payments? Who has underwritten the increasing loans from banks? Who persuaded Klopp to join the club? You must be proud to be part of the most ungrateful fan base in world football.}


23.) 23 Mar 2018 10:57:17
really don't get why people are using net spend as the basis to put down FSG, man utds is hundreds of millions above ours and they are two points ahead of us and playing the worst football i've ever seen. Klopp won't buy a player just for the sake of it or because of their reputation. furthermore its just a snippet in time. if we had bought VVD in the summer like we intended we hadn't sold coaus at that point - that itself would be a 200 mil odd swing on net spend. after the summer if we keep hold of they players we want no doubt the sound will increase.


24.) 23 Mar 2018 11:03:25
I have had 26 years of this ED002 this is not a new topic for me. I completely understand the money we have wasted over the years. I also appreciate those points you make and the club could be in a lot worse state. But please in terms of balance these owners will make a billion pound profit when they sell. Of course they have to invest and get in the top 4 to make the club more valuable.

You keep saying nearly everyday players want to win trophies so we have to try our best and win trophies. We will sell plenty players in the summer and we sold one of our top players for big money so we should be able to buy 3 top players to allow to properly compete.

{Ed002's Note - You are no more than ungrateful. You have zero grasp about the money - absolutely zero - "billion pound profit". And your knowledge about the finances of transfers is also seemingly zero, or at least extremely naive - the club has been taking on debt again in order to fund transfers and keep the club running. The owners are trying to buy success now - it is what fans like you want. Waro wants something different - he wants the owners to hand the club over to the supporters and he wants to run it with his friends. It is an absolute joke.}


25.) 23 Mar 2018 11:12:18
Hendos brother, people can only talk about what they can see.

Maybe your argument is that people aren't qualified to talk about finances? Who on here is qualified to talk about football in that case? How many of you are UEFA qualified coaches or played at a high level? I, nor Waro, nor anybody else, have to be an accountant to see that Man City and Man United spend more money on the players on the pitch than Liverpool. Dress that up however you want, but that is a Fact. They buy more, sell less, and pay higher wages. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. If we don't share them, nobody will ever be able to correct us if they are wrong. A wise man once said to me in College, "He who asks is a fool for 5 minutes. He who does not is a fool for life".

I'll set aside the figures if you want. It isn't about the figures being exact anyway, it is about the fact that Liverpool FC invests less on the pitch than at least 2 other teams in England. Is that the owners not authorising spending? Lack of cash flow? Klopp not wanting to spend? Who knows. I think it is a lack of cash flow due to us being poor commercially and not being successful on the pitch. That is a catch 22 situation though. You need success to make money, and money certainly helps to achieve success. Nowhere have I said the owners don't put enough money into the club. They put millions in on a weekly basis. All I've said Is that Liverpool FC doesn't invest as much on the pitch, and that for that reason I am prepared to at least listen to Waro's concerns without being patronising.

You are under the illusion that I want FSG gone like Waro. I am currently still pro-FSG because we are gradually improving. I'm actually more impressed that we can do it without over spending, than I am angry that we don't overspend. The next step to improvement is to win a major trophy. League or Champions League. Not "exciting football". We've been to 3 minor finals under FSG and won 1. Now it is time to step up. I think we can using the current model. Waro doesn't. It is that simple. We both want success. If what we all want is the same, we should be capable of debating in a civil manner.


26.) 23 Mar 2018 12:14:16
I agree with you MK.

Ed002 of course the billion pounds was just said for effect but they will make plenty and fair play to them. I am just asking for support in the summer so we have a decent chance to win a trophy before the next top player wants to leave us. As I said I am 50-50, not just in terms of transfers but all sorts of issues.

{Ed002's Note - You had best not mention money at all as it is clearly something else you struggle with. Perhaps they will stop looking at the players Klopp and his team want and just buy very expensive players to satisfy you.}


27.) 23 Mar 2018 13:42:03
{Ed002's Note - You are no more than ungrateful. You have zero grasp about the money - absolutely zero - "billion pound profit". And your knowledge about the finances of transfers is also seemingly zero, or at least extremely naive - the club has been taking on debt again in order to fund transfers and keep the club running. The owners are trying to buy success now - it is what fans like you want. Waro wants something different - he wants the owners to hand the club over to the supporters and he wants to run it with his friends. It is an absolute joke. }

I admire how well Ed002 writes while simultaneously banging his head off his desk/ brick wall.

Why, in a season that has seen some amazing football, holding a top 4 place and in the QF of the Champions League, are so many people obsessed with the debate of whether the owners of the club are trying to make money or "improve" the club? If people can't see progress on and off the field this season, they never will.


28.) 23 Mar 2018 12:37:17
I will be more than happy if like last summer we identify 3 or 4 players we need and we get them (or most of them) . I never questioned any of the buys last summer only OX I think we overpaid.

The VVD issue I don't blame the owners as other people messed that deal up last summer. I don't care how much the players cost as long as we get the players we need to properly challenge. I am not stupid enough to think we can or need a £60m player in each position. I just want to continue to improve especially the midfield so we have a better team.

Thanks for you time ED.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool will be paying well over £60M for Keita.}


29.) 23 Mar 2018 15:47:07
Mk you picking it up all wrong lreading what ed02 says am on his side that our fans seem to be ungrateful, the first 3 yrs they where losing a million a week the owners back klopp and it's klopp who pick the players he wants. A no nothing about finances mk and don't want to know that is my point. Although a do read what ed 02 writes and to be fair a don't understand why people bang on he ovs knows what he is talking about, am a supporter and that's what I do, pay and go watch my team play and like a say it's money well spent. What I do understand is if waro and co was running our club, Liverpool would be no more and I would not have my team to support. Ed02 has said himself the owners are learning and that's good enough for me. And the fact we are improving and moving forward to me is happy days.


30.) 23 Mar 2018 16:37:53
If Waro and his mates ran the club we would be dead and buried within 2 seasons, would be interesting if SOS could find the money or people willing to lend money to get the club through hard times like £1m a week for 3 years.


31.) 23 Mar 2018 19:03:52
Wouldn't we all love to run our own club! Id also like to be an astronomer and be a professional footballer but like everything you have to earn the right to do these things.
I've always been quite proud that we aren't doing it the citeh/ chelski way, yeah sure it may take abit longer and we have to endure the bad times whilst we get the right manager, players and finances in place (which I have no clue about) but it will make it all the more sweeter!

The reality is Klopp is happy with the progress of the squad, his track record suggests he gradually builds a team capable of challenging and I think we are on the cusp of that, he's patient and I admire him for that. FSG are clearly backing Klopp as he gets every player he wants that's attainable, and players only leave once he has said so. Danny Ward and Coutinho should be prime examples of that regardless of our opinion on those situations.

Jesus we need the premier league back. 🙃.


32.) 23 Mar 2018 20:27:11
You clearly no a hell of a lot more than me about finance and structure of it, I'm looking at it from a base fan level and there not doing enough in my eyes, and also your saying about interest free loans it should be interest free they own us, why are they not putting there own money in?

And what you've also left out is the fact they bought the club for way way under its market value, your asking for me to show gratitude, not a snowball in hells chance, 1 carling Cup 2 top 4 finishes under there leadership, massively improve that and I'll cut them some slack but the way they run the club, sorry that won't be happening.


33.) 23 Mar 2018 23:54:35
I don’t know if anyone is asking for gratitude, I just think we should allow them the low profile they want.
They’re not perfect, but then no-one is. They’re also not Hicks and Gillett so I think we should at least be pleased about that.
They’re trying to grow the club and are succeeding. They’re trying to compete in a financial market which is dominated by 2 or 3 absolute giants.
Fan ownership is just not a model which could work in the premier league. There is just too much money involved these days.
I personally believe the owners understand the majority of fans want the club to succeed but they don’t just want the club to overstretch itself and try and outspend City or Chelsea. We’ve always spent money as a club, but that’s not the bedrock of our success unlike City and Chelsea’s current achievements.


34.) 24 Mar 2018 00:05:35
Maybe you shouldn’t worry yourself about it Waro if you have no idea about finance then you really shouldn’t be commenting on it.


 

 

25 Nov 2016 15:36:18
John Arne Riise will return to Liverpool next year to complete his coaching qualifications.

Its exciting to see more and more ex players thinking abt coaching then jumping on punditry👌👏.


 

 

25 Nov 2016 14:49:22
MOYES: "Anybody who plays against Liverpool has to park the double-decker bus, but we also have two centre forwards scoring goals. "

Seems 2mrw will be playing again against 11 goal posts 🙈🙈🙈.


1.) 25 Nov 2016 15:13:53
If the big, bad Mou literally gave up and never even tried to compete with us even a multi million pound squad at his disposal, then Moyes and an inferior squad won`t even bother, IMO. it will be all up to us and Klopp and the players know that.


2.) 25 Nov 2016 15:17:52
9 goal posts and 2 running posts.


3.) 25 Nov 2016 15:37:43
Spot on Hamilton Red👍.


4.) 25 Nov 2016 16:31:56
Sunderland is catching upward trajectory in form. We have to be wary.


5.) 25 Nov 2016 16:32:24
This from the tactical master who told Rio Ferdinand to watch how Phil Jagielka played and copy that - what did you think his plan would be?


6.) 25 Nov 2016 17:33:35
The Football Genius himself, actually asked us to watch and copy Phil Jagielka? Oh dear.


 

 

 

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18 Mar 2019 14:32:03
Spot on KBL! Especially when we badly needed the points. Pressure is on city now, only 7 games left for us to right/ witness history that's how close we are 😊😊.


 

 

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05 Mar 2019 08:43:27
Mate if we are that good and have got everything In place does that mean we are under achieving?


 

 

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04 Mar 2019 23:09:55
Mate what makes u think all of a sudden will challenge year after year for titles? Any evidence to back?

There's a reason we haven't won't any trophy I repeat any trophy for almost a decade and here we are talking of challenging league tittle year and year out!

Yes we have progressed but for that we have spent over 400M, yes I repeat 400M and our manager has over 3 and half years of building he's team compare to most of he's rivals, ask yourself if we don't win anything this season, are we over achieving of under achieving especially the amount of backing our manager has received from our owners in terms of resources and time!

Again if we don't win league tittle this season, will only be the team who despite leading by December yet failing to win the tittle not once but trice.


 

 

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04 Mar 2019 06:25:29
Sport on mark! Klopp has spent over 400M and 3 and half year to build he's side compare to most of he's rivals.

The next step for klopp is to win trophies.


 

 

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03 Mar 2019 22:36:01
I agree it’s too early to say it’s over, however our recent form doesn’t give optimism either.