Liverpool Banter

26 Apr 2024 07:59:45
Slot's post match interview has got me thinking. Is it refreshing that he's being honest, or is it worrying that he should have perhaps deflected the questions and kept all this behind closed doors?

{Ed001's Note - or is he just worried that Feyenoord are resisting the advances of Liverpool and so trying to force their hand?}

25 Apr 2024 22:48:39
Obviously an interesting and anxiety filled time for fans.

Klopp was a real difference maker so I’m not making a direct comparison between Slot and Klopp. But my thinking is that before Klopp came in, the vast majority of fan opinion on the squad at that time would have been that they couldn’t win this or that or even be competitive.

Enter Klopp and a European final that first half season.

Again not a direct comparison but my encouragement to everyone is to see the potential in the players we have and how a new environment can help them to improve.

It may be u popular to say this, but we’re not a useless team. Anyone coming in has a fantastic squad to build upon.

26 Apr 2024 06:13:22
The ability is definitely there. It’s just been the lack of application this last month.

26 Apr 2024 07:47:19
I think it’s a bit more complicated than that. How many of them do you truly trust in the most important games? If you can’t up for a title run in against your biggest rivals then you clearly have problems. The first rule of football is win you duels, we look actually scared like young kids. Some of the clips of Sob, Jones and Trent trying to defend set pieces are cowardly. Lots of work to do.

26 Apr 2024 08:36:22
I've never had Szob, Jones and TAA down as defensively minded; especially on set pieces.
In fact, we over rely on VVD to deal with set pieces and Everton did their homework. They targetted him and we were in trouble.
More generally I believe that we have been more focused on attacking than defending this season. Our midfield leaves and we bring in Mac, Szob, Grav and Endo and only the latter is a defensively minded player and we all know he was a cheap option.
Not only that, but we also tell one of the defenders to drift into midfield and leave the right sided and inferior centre back covering a larger area.
It's not my thing and it's intended to get us on the front foot but how often have we conceded the first goal this season? It has the opposite effect, we end up chasing games and it was always going to catch up with us.

25 Apr 2024 21:55:58
Edd001 will you be doing a match review for the Derby?

{Ed001's Note - yes.}

26 Apr 2024 07:42:25
If u have to watch that game again ed1 its not a review u will be doing its a weeks therapy somewhere!

{Ed001's Note - the issue is calming down enough to write it without it just being a string of swear words!}

26 Apr 2024 09:08:28
Looking forward to that Ed1. Assuming you’ll be majoring on persistence in poor tactics (inverted nonsense/ no width) and a general malaise building in the squad? Just my opinion, but the team have either become a reflection of Klopp’s loss of energy (stepping down announcement), or have just checked out after the FA cup loss and are now waiting for the next man at the helm?

{Ed001's Note - it will mostly be majoring on trying not to swear!}

25 Apr 2024 19:21:24
Klopp has allowed the poor form to happen. He is the manager, he takes the stick. We have been poor for a few weeks. Nothing has been done about it. Why?
I got hammered the other week after the man utd cup game when i posted i hope klopp has them in the next morning for shooting and finishing practice as they missed so many chances and since then we have been just the same very poor finishing.

I also said Trent is never a full back while he has a hole in his hoop the second goals was very much like Madrid's winner in the Champions League where Trent never attacked the ball. I am convinced Bradley is a far better full back than Trent will ever be. As for the three forwards, Diaz tried the other two Mo and Nunez should never have been on the pitch.

i don't care how many goals Mo has scored, you don't put on the red shirt of Liverpool and go through the motions. We can see this so why can't klopp? I would rather throw Danns on even though he is a kid. He would put more effort into the game. This is not after the fact this is what i have posted over the season.

25 Apr 2024 19:33:23
By saying Klopp has allowed our poor form to happen, do you think he could have prevented it and didn't?
If so, why would he do that?

25 Apr 2024 19:46:03
Rigsby

I reckon he should have played the kids more often

Our poor performances have built since senior players returned
Which is why I think they have tapped out of listening to Klopp.

25 Apr 2024 20:51:18
In fairness he’s looked at the business end of the season and gone with experience, I think a combination of poor tactics and players letting the club down are the issue. Consecutive stupid mistakes almost every game, sloppiness, no one taking responsibility, lack of quality in depth in key positions and players who are at the end of their careers in very visible decline. A toxic mixture to have at the end of the season.

25 Apr 2024 21:00:37
Apart from Quansah / Bradley the kids haven’t really played much premier league football this season.

Even in the 3 cups the kids were accompanied with quite a few senior players for the majority of games.

25 Apr 2024 20:03:59
Paisley79 respectfully, nonoe of us were advocating for playing the kids a the time when we emerged as title contenders so let's not start with the hindsight stuff. If anything, we were all looking forward to the senior players comong back to give the squad the bodies it needed and give us a boost. Alas, it did not happen and we got worse. If many were and he wasn't then, fair. Nobody did that so let's leave the past where it is.

As for Klopp "allowing it to happen", that would mean he knew better and chose to do nothing which I don't believe for a second. Now do I believe that he has either not recognised our issues which have existed from jump? Absolutely and that's on him. Now these issues have come back to bite and and we can't get out of the rutt we are in. It's that simple, IMO.

25 Apr 2024 20:31:16
We'll never know what the kids would have done. Klopp works with them everyday and will have a better idea than us about them.
It's a cliché often rolled out when things are not going well: play the kids. Klopp and the players deserve criticism but it's hard to criticise someone that isn't playing.
Does anyone really think that Danns, McConnell and Clarke would win us the League? It's a genuine question because I know very little about them. Please don't use 'they couldn't have done worse' because they could when we are second in the League.

25 Apr 2024 20:35:55
I seen mo huffing at his team mates last night because when the pass was on or he running to make space they wasn’t picking him out I’ve seen Nunez over the last few weeks do the same make runs and by the time someone does pass it forward he would be offside. To slow.

25 Apr 2024 21:30:33
I do think the players who played v fulham deserved to start. They showed a lot of bite that the current starting lot (who were benched Sunday) hadn’t shown the last few games.

25 Apr 2024 21:42:33
Whomever he picked, the result determines the reaction.

If he’d gone with kids and we’d lost, there would be hell to pay. If we lose, he gets pelters either way.

His subs though, well that’s another matter.

25 Apr 2024 22:04:05
I’m trying to imagine the world you’re describing. I guess it looks like Klopp sitting in a dark closet the morning after the manU game and doing nothing. Which is obviously bollocks, like your premise

You are confusing outcome with performance and effort. It’s ok, it’s a classic mistake that people make. The worse thing is to allow that confusion to get conflated by your own speculation and then pass it off as fact. That’s when we start to worry that there won’t be enough tinfoil for the rest of us.

25 Apr 2024 22:35:23
We can’t handle a run in. The only way we win the league is by winning almost every game from the beginning until it’s almost impossible for anyone to catch us.

25 Apr 2024 22:49:21
Exactly, Faith. More hindsight "genius after the fact" stuff, IMO.

25 Apr 2024 23:58:19
Look, anyone saying we’ve ’checked out’ or are not trying is completely wrong in my view.

Anyone saying Klopp allowed it to happen just has no idea about anything.

Klopp has sent a team out for each game that is good enough to win the game. I think we can all agree on that given the season we’ve had.

The players have just frozen under the pressure of a quad challenge and that has now taken over the entire squad it would seem. You can see the exasperated look on his face as he watches the game, they are obviously not doing what he’s asked them to do.

I do agree that he’s the gaffer so he has to take responsibility if the players aren’t mentally right but to say he allowed it to happen is just silly. We are not the first team that’s choked under the pressure of trying to win major trophies and we won’t be the last.

It really doesn’t have to be any more complicated than that.

26 Apr 2024 07:13:47
LiverpoolFC8, isn't this the first run in that you could say we haven't handled a run in under Klopp?
The other two seasons when we were contenders we missed out by one point and City had to post ridiculous points totals to win it.
How did we not handle it?

26 Apr 2024 09:11:20
@OP. Your first sentence is ridiculous. I’m not sure about the rest as I stopped reading after the first sentence. How did Klopp”let” the poor form happen?