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22 Apr 2018 07:26:02
Going back to the 2008/ 09 season Liverpool up to the 8th of April - Liverpool have had 28 penalties given against them. Chelsea have had 12.

12 - that’s just 12 pens in 9 seasons in the premier league.

How on earth do you work that out?

And you cannot say that the most attacking teams get the most pens. Liverpool have had 3 this season and we are probably the best attacking side in the league behind City. Palace have the most with 9 then Everton 8.
Make of this what you will but If you look at the stats I think refereeing has a massive part to play in the outcome of games. Liverpool have had the most given against us compared with all the so-called top 6 going back 10 years.

Yesterday was yet another example of refereeing costing us points. We have had 10 points taken away from us from the direct result of referring decisions this season, it’s impossible to calculate the indirect ones, free kick cos outside the box / 50/ 50 challenges but I suspect the stats aren’t in our favour. We had the rub in the Champions league v City without a doubt but I’m not holding my breath for a decision going out way in the premier league.

Mrplums

1.) 22 Apr 2018 07:50:04
Refereeing got us into the CL semi finals.

{Ed001's Note - did it? I thought the fact that they never registered a single shot on target in the first leg had a lot to do with it personally. And that they folded in the second half of the second as they ran out of legs also had a lot to do with it. Obviously I must have been mistaken that the better side, by a margin, went through because they were the better side.}


2.) 22 Apr 2018 07:57:13
That is singlehandedly the most foolish comment I have ever read on this great site
the fact we scored 5 and they scored one had no part right?
How do some people call themselves supporters is beyond me
support your team not spout silly comments c'mon it is easy to do.


3.) 22 Apr 2018 08:01:35
Hegazi and Dawson should both have been sent off for assaulting Ings off the ball.


4.) 22 Apr 2018 08:01:38
Utter nonsense.


5.) 22 Apr 2018 08:02:56
Faithinworks we won fair and square 5-1 over the two legs, that's not a bit of referee luck, we outplayed them, it had bugger all to do with refereeing, well maybe it did, we could've won by a larger margin should City of got the numerous red cards they deserved. We fully deserve to be in the semis and that's down to how the team performed.


6.) 22 Apr 2018 08:21:06
While I agree we outplayed City and fully deserved to go through, there were decisions that went against City. 2 offside goals disallowed incorrectly, but there was also Ederson who could have easily been sent off.
In terms of penalties, decisions can go against you or for you, and even if that's wrong, I enjoy it. It creates debate which makes football interesting.

{Ed001's Note - Otamendi could easily have been sent off as well, and their players made numerous, repeated, yellow card offence fouls that were not punished. The decisions were not in favour of Liverpool at all.}


7.) 22 Apr 2018 08:25:37
Faith, I love your posts normally, BUT here, you are talking utter nonsense. How on this earth do you reckon that we made the CL semis due to a ref decision in 180mins whereas City only registered ONE shot on target in open play in that time span? Did the refs give us the FIVE goals we scored vs them or did that all happen legally in open play? If any team has taken advantage of ref bias in the CL, it is Real and before them, Barca. Please, stop that crap ASAP. We won, fair and square and by the way, this is the PL, and not the CL.


8.) 22 Apr 2018 08:48:59
We lost yesterday to poor defending from set pieces once again and they caused us problems all afternoon with their crosses. Whilst I do agree Klopp’s rotation strategy has kept players fresh, for me, the back 4 needs to stay the same.


9.) 22 Apr 2018 09:07:43
When West Brom came from behind and beat us in the fa cup I bet that was because of the ref as well. Yes the ref was poor yesterday and got lots wrong but I can't remember him scoring 2 for West Brom or forcing us to defend like a Sunday league team. We didn't win, it happens. Let's not be that team that hide behind excuses all the time and let's just move onto the next game and put it right.


10.) 22 Apr 2018 09:48:40
Isn’t it ironic that we (English press and many fans) vehemently criticise a snubbed handshake, a complaint about a decision or a playing surface as a lack of class on one hand and yet applaud managers and teams that go out to purposely kick and injure the opposition? Perverted logic that.


11.) 22 Apr 2018 10:02:44
Did we lose yesterday. have I missed something?


12.) 22 Apr 2018 10:26:05
I was being facetious ed1.!


13.) 22 Apr 2018 11:51:06
Switching to being serious for a second - if someone can find the science that proves we are more. Hard done by than others then I'd love to read it! Until then, the ref thing is a factor but for me going to conspiracies starts to makes us sound a little sour grapes. I was joking about my the ref getting us thru to the semis, but ya'll must be joking if ya don't think we benefitted from some favorable calls. Take em and run I say. got to Suck em up at the other end tho.


14.) 22 Apr 2018 12:08:15
I’ve lost my faith in you good sir.


 

 

22 Apr 2018 06:45:23
We have had 3 penalties this season with 6 against us.
I am at the point where I honestly think there is an agenda against us. We don’t get penalties and we get them given against us for nothing.

We would be in the champions league again now and probably in second place. How the foul on Danny Ings in the box yesterday isn’t given is beyond me.

The pen that spurs got in the dying seconds. The pen that Everton got at Anfield.

That’s 6 points alone.

The stats just don’t make sense, given that we usually have the lions share of possession and that we spend probably double the amount of time in the opposing teams penalty area then you would think that on average we would get at least an equal amount of penalties? We have been given half.

In years to come it will come out about the agenda against Liverpool. I’m utterly convinced. They don’t want us up there, with the vast amounts of money flying around for champions league qualification - I think that they are being bribed and they want certain teams in those four spots. .

Mrplums

{Ed0333's Note - Oh MrPlums you have put a smile on my face nae I’m cracking up. I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next man but i don’t think there’s any legs to your sentiments. Besides I have it on good authority the referee of today’s game was at dinner with a notorious Indian bookmaker/matchfixer in Manchester last week and they were discussing baby names for Meghan Markle and the odds on goals scored by the home team in the last 2minutes of matches.


1.) 22 Apr 2018 07:53:02
I saw an article on Tomkintimes talking about penalties and referees. They concluded that rather than bias against Liverpool, refs might be biased in favour of English/ British players. About 60% of penalties were given to British players. Oh, and teams on average receive 62% of appeals awarded at home. Liverpool are awarded 50% at Anfield.
Looks like we need more British players to get fouled in the box or get more of them if we want more penalties ;)


2.) 22 Apr 2018 08:12:51
It’s a cliche but the fine margins really count. How that isn’t a foul on Danny Ings I will sadly never ever know. I’d love be to ask the referee. He also took a punch to the gut Hegazi. Bunch of thugs that lot, and I will be very happy to see them go down. We will see if that is dealt with in retrospect but I bet it won’t be. The level of refereeing in our games this year has been appalling.

{Ed001's Note - worse is that they got a foul for that.}


3.) 22 Apr 2018 08:32:50
I don't believe in agendas or conspiracies BUT you have to say, this officiating whenever LFC plays in the PL, is becoming diabolical, IMO. The thing is is that in the PL, refs are inherently incompetent and make mistakes on both sides so people think they are good. The ref yesterday, was clueless. Why? You could actually tell that most of the decisions he was making, were being done on a whim or a guess. You could see that he had no clue of what to award or not so he would either let play go on when it should not have or was scared to blow for stuff cos he was rarely sure.

For example on the foul on Ings, I saw that on TV live and I knew it was NOT a coming together and the replays showed it. If I can see that on my telly in real time, what stops the ref from seeing that when he's on the pitch? Also I think refs are WAY too far from the play so when things happen like the Hegazi incident, they just guess and when you get wrong, you look like a goat which he is now. We need better refs on the whole, who know the rules, can keep up with play and make the right decisions cos at this point, we may not be able to win the PL if such ref standards are there cos refs seem okay to just screw with certain teams and not w/ others.

{Ed001's Note - the 4th official had a clear view of that incident yet somehow was unable to see it. He was right where the camera was!}


4.) 22 Apr 2018 08:45:44
I spent an afternoon with keith hackett a few years back. He said that the refs hated the constant moaning of david moyes so much that they loved giving decisions against his teams (at that time everton) . I wonder if klopps antics on the sidelines are having a detrmimental effect on these decisions? we've had some shockers this season. Id be all in for var if it could be done quickly and accurately (which they don't seem to be able to do at the mo sadly)


5.) 22 Apr 2018 07:30:09
Good one ed. I think the bookmaker would be sat with a Russian in the west end of London to st you straight.

{Ed0333's Note - Im sticking to my story and will not be swayed. The bookmaker ordered a lamb rogan josh with two garlic nan (extra ghee) and the referee ordered a tandoori chicken but it didn’t fill him up so he ordered a mixed grill but couldn’t finish it and took the rest home. The bookmaker picked up the bill. Read into that what you will. I have it on good authourity the bill was paid in pounds sterling.


 

 

14 Jan 2018 22:30:30
Gini. Superb. That’s all.

Mrplums

{Ed025's Note - done little for me but a good performance..


1.) 14 Jan 2018 22:38:23
I agree Mrplums. He may not have had a great season today but was fantastic today broke up so much of the play and just seemed to have been everywhere. If that had been Kante or Matic today the pundits would’ve been raved about the performance. Let’s hope he carries on now along with Can for as long as he remains with us.


2.) 14 Jan 2018 22:51:47
Would be nice to see him do that more often.


3.) 14 Jan 2018 22:53:41
I thought it was his best game in quite a while.


4.) 14 Jan 2018 22:54:19
Gini had a really good 15 minutes after we went 3-1 up. He was everywhere, riding tackles, playing good passes, making tackles etc. Then he made a terrible error when he delayed playing Mane in behind until it was way too late, and he seemed to lose all his confidence again.

15 minutes out of 90 is not really enough. Either side of that spell he was just ticking by, nothing bad, nothing special. It was telling that for the 15 minutes he turned it on, we destroyed them. He is a good player, but he is just so bloody inconsistent!


5.) 14 Jan 2018 22:54:23
Held us together, just as important as Salah today. My man of the match.


6.) 14 Jan 2018 23:01:27
Plums gini was superb I agree.


7.) 14 Jan 2018 23:03:03
I never get this but in my opinion you don't beat a top team like City without everyone putting a shift in. I think City would have taken us apart if we were carrying any passengers.


8.) 14 Jan 2018 23:09:38
He is bloody powderpuff in midfield. He is ridiculously weak, shurgged off by de bryune and fernandinho. Man city walked through our midfield today. Im not a negative person, wijnaldum is a decent player but way too weak in the challenge.


9.) 14 Jan 2018 23:15:32
I wouldn't go as far as saying he was superb but he certainly did impress like the rest of the team did. Each and every one of them was up for it today, and that to me is key, if we played like that every time we played we'd smash the league.


10.) 14 Jan 2018 23:37:00
I thought gini had a good game still a bit too ponderous on the ball but the guy who has impressed me most not just today but in last spin of games is robertson for me he put a great shift in and was my man of the match but everyone put a hard shift in and apparently can and salah where suffering from an illness.


11.) 14 Jan 2018 23:55:28
I would comment that taking Can off was the catalyst for City being able to run through our midfield, Milner was all over the place. Until that point Can, Oxlade and Wijnaldum had handles them reasonably well.


12.) 15 Jan 2018 00:02:37
Mk surely that is just your opinion lad? Everybody else seems to think he had a fine game mate, as it seems your posts are over powering sometimes telling people rather than giving your opinion on the subject.


13.) 15 Jan 2018 00:04:09
Disagree, Lfcfan. City have better players than we do and tho they did play out of our press several times which is normal, their midfield did not walk thru ours today. If that was the case, how did they create next to nothing from open play for 84 mins? Bar the goal, Karius had NOTHING to do all game till the 84th min? Could that be that our midfield out-fought, out-pressed and made life difficult for them? City were done cos the way they play played right into our hands and everyone and his dog knows Pep won't change.


14.) 15 Jan 2018 00:23:29
I thought Can was outstanding today- much more so than gini, when he went off we began to struggle to contain.


15.) 15 Jan 2018 00:36:12
Gini was absolutely fantastic today. Nothing short of brilliant.


16.) 15 Jan 2018 01:26:33
They didn't struggle to get through our midfield, maybe they didn't walk through us all game that was hyperbole from myself. My main point was wijnaldum is an absolute fairy who gets shrugged off the ball easily and is very weak in the challenge, especially when entering 50/ 50s on a loose ball in the air. He was easily overpowered by fernandinho and de bruyne today in physical duals, when looking at the three of them, he should be a match for them. Not just today but all games, if you are going to be in his particular midfield role, this klopps ideal of having two modfields trying to be energetic in attack and defense, then you need to be stronger. Can and Hendo are not particularly great, but at least they are both tall and strong and they do impose themselves. At risk of repeating myself, wijnaldum is a talented player who is being given too much defensive responsibility which he cannot live up to.

I really don't want to have anything negative to say after the game, I am definitely one of the most overly positive deluded liverpool optimists but I was just compelled to reply to this comment thay gini was superb. Please forgive me.

We will win the champions league, it is written in the stars. Ynwa.


17.) 15 Jan 2018 06:20:46
I think Gini had a good game. He is not the strongest, but hey, he was never a box to box midfielder - he has spent his career being an attacking midfielder, and is only now looking to develop the defensive side of his game.
I also thought Can had a good game and put in a good shift (for all the abuse he gets on here regarding his contract situation) .
A shout out also to firmino, who pressed like a man possessed last night - he was all over the park, i remember this one ocassion in the first half when he tracked the play back to our defensive third and won the ball through sheer commitment.


18.) 15 Jan 2018 00:02:37
Mk surely that is just your opinion lad? Everybody else seems to think he had a fine game mate, as it seems your posts are over powering sometimes telling people rather than giving your opinion on the subject.


19.) 15 Jan 2018 00:04:09
Disagree, Lfcfan. City have better players than we do and tho they did play out of our press several times which is normal, their midfield did not walk thru ours today. If that was the case, how did they create next to nothing from open play for 84 mins? Bar the goal, Karius had NOTHING to do all game till the 84th min? Could that be that our midfield out-fought, out-pressed and made life difficult for them? City were done cos the way they play played right into our hands and everyone and his dog knows Pep won't change.


 

 

14 Jan 2018 10:21:44
Two years ago we had Caulker up to against arsenal. How times change.

Mrplums

1.) 14 Jan 2018 10:42:54
Playing up front!


 

 

13 Jan 2018 08:56:36
I think Klopp has done a fantastic job. It’s all slowly coming together now. We now have one of the most exciting and devastating front lines in world football. A bit of steel in the middle and a new keeper away from challenging for everything. This is the best squad we have had in a long long time. We have some money too. Great days ahead redmen. It’s funny how all the pundits have changed their tunes, and now think we will turn City over tomorrow. I’ve heard people say we are the only ones who can stop them. It’s pretty amazing when you consider how Klopp was being criticised early in the season. If City hadn’t gone on this freakish run - in a regular season - we would be challenging for the league now. Only lost two in the league and some of those draws at home, well best not to talk about them!

I can really see us doing the business in the trophy department soon and I haven’t said that for 30 years.

Mrplums

1.) 13 Jan 2018 12:53:49
Spot on, Plums.


 

 

 

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26 Mar 2018 21:11:31
He certainly fits our criteria. As for replacing Firmino, this simply wouldn’t be the case, they would rotate, as do the midfield and defence. We should always look to improve and he looks a great addition. If Firmino is injured in the next game who starts up top? Ings and Solanke don’t cut the mustard for me. We definitely need more strength up front.

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22 Apr 2018 07:30:09
Good one ed. I think the bookmaker would be sat with a Russian in the west end of London to st you straight.

Mrplums

{Ed0333's Note - Im sticking to my story and will not be swayed. The bookmaker ordered a lamb rogan josh with two garlic nan (extra ghee) and the referee ordered a tandoori chicken but it didn’t fill him up so he ordered a mixed grill but couldn’t finish it and took the rest home. The bookmaker picked up the bill. Read into that what you will. I have it on good authourity the bill was paid in pounds sterling.


 

 

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22 Apr 2018 08:12:51
It’s a cliche but the fine margins really count. How that isn’t a foul on Danny Ings I will sadly never ever know. I’d love be to ask the referee. He also took a punch to the gut Hegazi. Bunch of thugs that lot, and I will be very happy to see them go down. We will see if that is dealt with in retrospect but I bet it won’t be. The level of refereeing in our games this year has been appalling.

Mrplums

{Ed001's Note - worse is that they got a foul for that.}


 

 

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22 Apr 2018 08:01:38
Utter nonsense.

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09 Apr 2018 20:59:47
I think a lot depends on the first half hour. If we can withstand the initial onslaught then we will be ok. We need to be calm on the ball and work it out sensibly from the back. Retaining possession is vital here. If we sit too early and it just keeps coming back we will be in trouble. We have to battle I’m midfield and win the right to play, that’s what Utd did on Saturday in the second half and it worked. Let them have the the lions share of possession but be ready to go when we can, and be brave enough to commit in numbers - if we do we will bag a couple as City won’t be able to cope with us, like the first leg.

That midfield is key, we need to get stuck in early doors and show them that they cannot just dictate. We hold all the cards because there will come a point where they have to commit in numbers, when they do, we have to be ready to strike.

YNWA.

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29 Mar 2018 07:15:02
I agree OP.

Mrplums