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03 Nov 2023 20:07:40
Hi Eds
Is it true we have agreed to sign Andre Trindade.
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - Andre Trindade (DM) Recommended to Liverpool as Fabinho cover a couple of years ago. Arsenal have scouted the player and may well make a move prior to the January Window. Prior interest of Barcelona and Braga has gone. Fulham are keen to take him if Bayern Munich return and they lose Palinha and Liverpool consider him as an option for January - but there is a huge catch for interested parties who have been told must be resolved before approaching Fluminense. Fluminense only own 80% of his rights and that would need to be resolved. They will also seek perhaps €40M including add ons. I am not aware of any agreement between Liverpool and Fluminense just yet but there is the possibility of completing the transfer for January. Fluminense have a replacement lined up.}
1.) 04 Nov 2023 06:47:38
You can watch him on BBC3 ko 8pm tonight, Copa Libatadores final.
2.) 04 Nov 2023 06:52:48
Social Media said yesterday that we have a verbal agreement with the player but haven’t agreed anything with his current club.
Depends if you want to believe Social Media or not.
3.) 04 Nov 2023 08:54:10
It does seem that the groundwork is done on this one. He would complete the midfield rebuild, and increment our Brasil cohort.
He’s more Mascherano than Fabinho, more Nigel De Jong than Rodri.
4.) 04 Nov 2023 10:20:22
I’d love another mascherano in the team .
5.) 05 Nov 2023 15:28:00
Saw the game and he was excellent. Hopefully it’s true.
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27 Jan 2024 07:38:07
Hi Eds
Do you think Zidane would be a good manager for Liverpool.
{Ed001's Note - god no. The football under him is dire.}
1.) 27 Jan 2024 08:06:38
Spot on Ed001 Zidane is not the answer.
If we look at the up and coming managers we would be targeting Alonso, Amorim, Nagelsman, De Zerbi, and the fella from Girona.
2.) 27 Jan 2024 09:41:30
De Zerbi has been taking Brighton backwards though, if you compare last season to this. He's giving me Rodgers' vibe and I wouldn't be surprised if Brighton were to be relegated in a few seasons if they stick with him. So no, I wouldn't want him to be our manager.
3.) 27 Jan 2024 09:46:27
Ed01, I am not sure people actually know what Zidane is actually like on a tactical level and they only focus on what he won in a boss Real Madrid with exceptional players in their prime who really don't need to be coached that much. The guy is absolutely dire.
4.) 27 Jan 2024 11:04:43
I think even Zidane knows his limits which is why he's never even tried a job anywhere else. A chequebook manager is not what Liverpool needs nor what FSG would go for IMO. I also hope they don't pick an abrasive type (e. g. a Mourinho type) as I love the relationship that Klopp seems to have with the supporters and players. I've no idea who is available, happy to give Xabi a chance, wonder if we could snatch Emery from Villa, he seems re-energised there but don't know much about him.
5.) 27 Jan 2024 11:09:04
Your best post this year, Oli.
6.) 27 Jan 2024 11:10:13
Isn't Zidane a hands-off manager like a lot of the big name ex-players? They usually leave the actual technical work to someone else. Gerrard and Rooney the same. But he was good at massaging the egos of star players as he used to be one of them.
7.) 27 Jan 2024 12:53:34
Spot on Babbity Rabbity and in addition, he used to play against some of these RM players under him at the time like CR7, Ramos (a youngster at the time), Modric against Croatia and this, just off the top of my head.
He was also assistant to Ancelloti and Rafa before he got the job after Rafa got sacked so like you said, he already knew the players. On a tactical level, I wouldn't touch him with a 5 foot pole, let alone a 10 foot one.
8.) 27 Jan 2024 15:55:44
Zidane would be terrible. His football is dire and he’s got zero charisma. Not to mention that he doesn’t speak English.
That said I’d happily take Simeone as he could ****house our way to a title.
9.) 27 Jan 2024 17:00:42
Think I'd even choose Zidane over Simeone though VV. Awful football his teams play - no thanks.
10.) 28 Jan 2024 06:53:31
But Zidane won’t have much to do as a Liverpool manager
We don’t have big egos that he can a manage
But we have a team that wants and needs to be coached and he doesn’t seem to do that much.
11.) 28 Jan 2024 10:17:13
The thing Simeone has over Zidane is that he’s very hands on, his teams are extremely organised and well drilled, yeah, they can play ugly, but it’s a results game, critically he also gets under the skin of his opponents, you can imagine him absolutely winding Fraudiola up and he gets the crowd going, he’s a big personality. He’s gone toe to toe with teams who have far better resources and beaten them. He should be a contender.
12.) 28 Jan 2024 06:58:03
Jose, s available and brings his own fleet of buses ?.
21 Mar 2023 19:35:02
Instead of buying Bellingham @150m, why not buy Rice for 90m and Mount 60m.
{Ed025's Note - because jude is 19 and 10 times better than those 2 put together?..
1.) 21 Mar 2023 20:00:58
Arthur’s agent has confirmed we are not taking up the option to buy.
First Jude and now Arthur. I can’t take anymore bad news.
2.) 21 Mar 2023 20:13:21
It's incompetent not to buy a midfielder when we need midfielders.
Try to remain Melo, though, JK.
3.) 21 Mar 2023 20:26:31
I struggle to find as big a waste of money as Arthur. Maybe Ben Davies and so far Ramsey but for £100k per week, I think Melo gets the gold medal.
4.) 21 Mar 2023 20:17:56
Exactly Ed, he's 19.i don't think people realise how good he's going to become! He'll be the best midfielder in this league for the next decade, if we had to watch him win leagues for Citeh for the next 10 years it'd be a disaster. Thank God he's Anfield bound.
{Ed025's Note - I really like him Jude and think he is an amazing young talent mate. But don’t put your house on him going to Liverpool..
5.) 21 Mar 2023 20:41:12
Has been a shocking loan deal and dreadful addition to a squad that so badly needed a reliable, strong midfielder who was injury free!
6.) 21 Mar 2023 21:08:28
@Warmachine didn’t ne of our other midfielders cost £60 more than Arthur? Surely he would qualify as the biggest waste of money n the club’s history?
7.) 21 Mar 2023 21:33:41
JK, I really fear for you now. In the summer, when Ox and Keita leave, the continued bad news will completely overwhelm you. Stay strong, please. ??.
8.) 21 Mar 2023 21:47:18
If only it was £60 WDW. I agree with you, but at least that waste of space actually played some games and sort of ran about a bit.
9.) 21 Mar 2023 22:48:54
Arthur has played 13 minutes for Liverpool Football Club. £110k a week.
{Ed002's Note - He has been injured.}{
10.) 22 Mar 2023 08:12:54
Putting Rice and Mount in the same sentence as Jude is just crazy. Personally if I had to pick btw all 3, it would be Jude all day long. Neither Rice nor Mount or even both put together as Ed25 said, are not a patch on that kid. He is special.
11.) 22 Mar 2023 08:18:24
Jude Nkunku, i think everyone realises how good he could be. A lot of people are also looking at the price tag which is about €150m (and maybe more for us after another tapping up situation) and questioning if we can afford the risk.
Consider for example that the last 2 English midfielders to be called the next Gerrard were Ross Barkley and Dele Alli. I personally think Bellingham is the real deal but most people on here were livid we missed out on Dele Alli when he went to Spurs. So you have to weigh up if it is worth the risk when we need to rebuild half of the team.
I'd love us to sign Bellingham but it's remiss of us to pretend it's not a risk.
12.) 22 Mar 2023 08:23:42
Who's the whipping boy next season when Ox, Keita and Arthur aren't here?
13.) 22 Mar 2023 08:30:00
Rice only wants to stay in London and Mount is just terrible. His performance for Chelsea in the FA Cup Final against us summed him up, lightweight, poor decision making, lost possession cheaply, zero intelligence in possession.
As for Arthur, on the plus side he has kept our medical team in practice, so there’s that.
14.) 22 Mar 2023 09:12:16
Sorry Old Dirt, Mount is not terrible. He is not what we want. He is the equivalent of Jones / OX / Barkley and countless others!
We need a hard core monster at RCM someone like Kone / Caicedo who will allow Trent to bomb at will and also help our DM consistently! Apparently that’s not Mason Mount!
We also need a world class DM. A Tackling merchant, someone like Ugrate who can rotate with Baj.
And finally we need a LCM, I want the absolute best in the world in that role which is Jude Bellingham.
Get those three and we are sorted in that area for a decade!
15.) 22 Mar 2023 09:32:41
You will certainly see the ambitions of the club this summer. Are we title contenders or scratching around with Spurs for 5th and 6th. If we don’t sign sign the best when they want to come I fear the worst. But Klopp did it once hopefully he can do it again.
16.) 22 Mar 2023 10:05:30
You don't need to sign the best to be the best. We mightn't ever be the best again but we have been and PSG haven't.
17.) 22 Mar 2023 10:38:00
I mentioned Rice and Mount because we are not going to buy Bellingham. We are living in dream world if you think he is coming.
18.) 22 Mar 2023 10:57:16
Sorry Harry/ CI, but nothing is certain in football. You said the same thing about Keita and look how that turned out.
Personally, I think Baj has earned his chance in DM and I wouldn't mind rotating him with Fab for at least another season. Caicedo has just signed a new contract with Brighton and may cost upwards of 70m. Plus, his actions in Jan cast serious doubts about his character for me. Bellingham is/ would be a great player and I would love for us to get him.
19.) 22 Mar 2023 12:20:13
Dracred - we need at least one midfielder in the squad with the physical attributes to make recovery runs when needed. Who will that be? It's not Fabinho as it has never been his game. Hendo cannot do it anymore. Thiago, Elliott, Bajcetic cannot do it.
As for Caicedo's character - come on now. He's 21 years old, had 3-4 agents pulling him in different directions and advising him poorly and was being paid less than most players in the PL. I think judging his potential value as a Liverpool player on that would be incredibly harsh and foolish.
PS I would be happy for the club to pay £70m for Caicedo. He's the perfect Liverpool midfielder.
Manu Kone is not quite as good as Caicedo, but would be an excellent alternative.
We need a player of this profile if we want to get back to dominating midfield battles again.
{Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath about either player joining Liverpool.}
20.) 22 Mar 2023 12:32:56
Ok MK but if that's the case you could say that about any potential young signing. they're all compared to someone their style of play is similar to. In Bellinghams case though its not potential, even now at 19 he would start for any side in Europe, that's crazy! And even at the rumoured 130m, when compared to Enzo or Grealish or Anthonys or even our own Darwins transfer fees is a bargain.
21.) 22 Mar 2023 12:46:38
Ed - yes you mentioned Manu Kone is likely to be going to Chelsea. A shame.
Do you expect Moises Caicedo to move anywhere this summer?
Not pursuing at least one player of this profile in a midfield rebuild would be a big mistake in my opinion.
{Ed002's Note - Caicedo has signed a new long-term contract and i would expect him to stay next seaon.}
22.) 22 Mar 2023 13:32:38
I fully agree with that statement JN. Every single transfer is a risk. It's all about mitigating the risk with good scouting and background checks. I believe Bellingham is worth the risk of his huge transfer fee but I'm also not sure it's sensible for us when we need about 4 or 5 players. What if he does his ACL in the first game of the season and we blew 80% of our budget on him?
23.) 22 Mar 2023 13:40:45
Well done Flash. Always leading from the front ?.
24.) 22 Mar 2023 14:47:04
Hi FPF, thanks for the reply. I do agree that we need a midfielder of that ilk but I just don't see Caicedo as being the one we should aim for. Firstly, he did just sign a new long term contract so will cost much more than the 70m that Brighton rejected from Arsenal in Jan. Secondly, his "come get me" plea just doesn't sit right with me. If he does it once, he can do it again and I can definitely see him pulling a similar stunt when he wants another move in the future. He is quality but I wouldn't want that kind of attitude at the club.
25.) 22 Mar 2023 14:55:02
Flash, can I offer Elliott as a candidate?
26.) 22 Mar 2023 15:02:42
Spot on, Rigsby and Dracred. We became the best team in the world despite spending half the money Utd, City and Chelsea and won the lot doing that. Spending big alone is NOT how we came up under Klopp. Spending clever with strategic precision was and that is what we need to get back to, IMO.
If spending big was the ONLY way to win big then, Leceister had no business winning the title and City wit all their spending (via falsifying financial records allegedly) doesn't know what a CL trophy looks like. Same with PSG who are even abandoning their galacticos approach as that has set them way back than where they were even 3 years ago.
Again, Spending clever is what we need to get back to, IMO instead of this incoherent way we did last summer esp. needing backup for Trent YET signed an injured player in Ramsay. .
27.) 22 Mar 2023 15:32:39
OliRed - spending and selling clever. City generated decent cash from the sale of Jesus Zinchenko Sterling and others.
Also was the Ramsey signing your best example of incoherence in the summer window? Or are you too shy to finally say we failed to strengthen midfield? ?.
28.) 22 Mar 2023 15:44:22
Dracred - I think you’re harsh on a 21 year old footballer who has had a meteoric rise in the space of 12 months. He didn’t commit a crime. He was badly advised by novice agent (s) .
29.) 22 Mar 2023 16:29:52
I think In something along the lines of the last 31 years Utd, Chelsea and City are the 3 highest spenders. In that time they’ve won something like 25 of the premier league titles with Leicester, us and arsenal winning the other 6.
But there is no evidence out there to suggest spending money wins you the title.
I’d like to see us extend Milner, Naby and Ox rather than look to spend money.
30.) 22 Mar 2023 16:43:27
JK - lol, it’s amazing how we contort ourselves to justify the decisions and position we find ourselves in isn’t it?
31.) 22 Mar 2023 17:13:22
We became the best team in the world despite spending half the money Utd, City and Chelsea and won the lot doing that.
Nonsense! We became the best club after spending big money on VVD, Ali and Fab to name a few. Money is subjective, people are talking about quality and unfortunately quality comes with a hefty price tag!
32.) 22 Mar 2023 18:08:51
The thing with spending clever is you have to get 90% of your transfers right, any mistakes and you fall behind. We made a mistake with Keita and we are paying for it now, for £50 million and at 28 years old he should be a mainstay of our midfield any yet we are quite happy to let him leave for nothing even though our midfield is awful this season. Compare that with Arsenal, they blew £70 million on Pepe but they have just carried on spending and are now reaping the rewards. Leicester City winning the league was a one off not the norm.
33.) 22 Mar 2023 18:24:53
There is a direct link between spending money and winning and competing for trophies. I can't for the life of me see why posters can't except this, I wish it wasn't like this but unfortunately it is.
Just because u spend heavily doesn't gurantee success but if u don't u won't have sustained sucess, like lfc have proved. Arsenal under wenger have proved. Brighton spend v shrewdly but they win nothing, unfortunately the rich win out 90% of time.
34.) 22 Mar 2023 19:09:31
Thunderbird - agree that the margin for error is smaller.
However, every season we have entered banking on the fitness of Keita, Ox, Matip and Thiago is like making the signing all over again.
We should have cut our losses on Keita and Ox 3 seasons ago.
35.) 22 Mar 2023 21:27:14
“Should have” three years later. Perhaps an insight into what you will be saying in 2026 might come in useful for the club before the next transfer window.
36.) 22 Mar 2023 22:00:32
I admit, maybe I am a bit harsh on him FPF. He has been great for Brighton and may have been manipulated by agents who are just hoping for a big transfer so that they can benefit themselves. I'm not sure what went on behind the scenes but Caicedo himself did come out of the whole saga looking like a bit of a knob. If he was poorly advised, I can only hope that he gets rid of whoever that was and surround himself with people who has his best interest in mind.
ButI think we can agree that our midfield needs someone as energetic as him. Hendo and Milner, as much as I love them, are getting on and should be phased out. I have a feeling Klopp is targeting Bellingham to be that replacement but if we don't get him, I hope he has someone else in mind instead of just getting no one.
{Ed025's Note - the thing was drac that the guy was on around £3,000 a week mate and players around him on a hell of a lot more, hes bound to feel aggrieved as this wage for a premiership footballer is disgusting, him withdrawing his labour was understandable imo and does not make him "a bit of a knob"..
37.) 22 Mar 2023 22:02:15
Yes you need to spend money to win a lot of the time but you don’t need ‘the best’ players in each position to win trophies, just a lot of good/ great players that work well as a team and carry out their role effectively around a core group of quality. Firmino, Gomez, Matip, Adrian, Hendo, Fab’s, Keita, Wijnaldum, Milner, Origi, Ox, Mane, Salah. All these players have two things in common, none of them are or were ever the best in the world in their respective positions (in my opinion at least) and they have all won everything that can be won at LFC. I leave Trent, Ali, VVD and Robertson out of that list as I think very strong arguments can be made for them being the best in their positions during our recent success. I included Mane and Salah, great as they have been Messi and Mbappe were better at those times. What puts me off potentially spending so much money on Bellingham is that it’s a massive risk. He might not adjust well, he might not fit in. Ali and VVD were the two biggest purchases of world class talent but the other two on my list, one was home grown and the other cost £8m from a relegated Hull City. £8m for the most consistently brilliant LB we’ve probably had since Alan Kennedy? That alone shows that cheap talent is out there. I’d personally put all my effort into finding more purchases likes that than blowing the next two seasons worth of transfer budget on one player, regardless of how good he ‘might’ turn out to be. One player does not make a team. Haaland is probably the best striker/ finisher Iv watched play since fat Ronaldo. Does he make City better than they were though? Probably not.
38.) 22 Mar 2023 22:32:33
That may be so ed025 although other reports have listed his previous salary at 15k per week. Still low for a prem player but definitely more than enough to survive on.
I admit that I may be biased since I absolutely dislike it when players go to social media and issue statements like that. If wages is his issue, he could have just spoken to the club about it. If he wanted a move, he could have submitted a formal transfer request. Things could have been done professionally behind closed doors and there isn't any need to issue a public statement like that. He did ultimately sign a new contract with Brighton so I'm not still not sure if wages was his main issue or if he wanted to move to a bigger club. He seemed more than happy to accept more money from Brighton which indicates that wages were the problem. But that makes his
"please let me leave" plea to Brighton strange as well.
But like FPF said, he is still young and may have been poorly advised. Just hope that he doesn't act the same way again in the future.
{Ed025's Note - we dont really know the reasons he did what he did drac, i dont like players being divas myself mate but it does seem that the guy had a legitimate beef, hes a very good young player and Brighton are doing very well so hopefully he can get back on track now..
39.) 23 Mar 2023 06:37:42
Ed25 do you think Rice is overrated mate? I think if West Ham get anywhere near 100 mill that's great business by them, I think he's ok but nothing special.
{Ed025's Note - im a big fan of his MR and in a better team he would flourish and be even better, i think lately he has suffered a bit being in a very poor west ham side and has not been at his best this season, but i think one of the big boys will come in for him in the summer and hopefully he will go to a club befitting of his ability mate, even though i think the £100m being touted seems a bit unrealistic..
40.) 23 Mar 2023 10:12:34
I agree with ed25,excellent player and leader. V importantly he never seems to be injured, always available. I think he has stayed at West ham a season too long.
41.) 23 Mar 2023 13:48:02
Mason Mount has been terrible for the last 12 months believe me.
He needs a position, I'm not sure he knows what he is.
There is a player there, but nowhere near 60M mentioned above.
11 Aug 2023 10:56:29
Hi Drogie
That’s crazy, I’m currently on holiday in Florida from the UK. I hope you having a great day. Do you know any good places to watch the game on Sunday?
Thanks.
22 Mar 2023 10:38:00
I mentioned Rice and Mount because we are not going to buy Bellingham. We are living in dream world if you think he is coming.
05 Mar 2023 12:22:56
My favourite Liverpool player of all time is Steve Mcmanaman. I based my whole game on him!