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25 Aug 2015 00:06:47
Have to say I'm optimistic about the season even though we are only 3 games in! I loved the way tonight we stuck to the game plan played as a team that knew there roles and stuck to them most of the time, I'm a bit concerned about the amount of times we had 2 on 1 down the wings and just backed off to the 18 yard line without stepping up, We will get caught out if we don't work on our back line ie skrtel twice well behind the other 3 (I like him btw) but great start to the season hope we continue to improve and keep the high pressing/breaking we showed in the first half! YNWA

29 Jul 2015 01:22:06
havint posted in a while although I read every day, Have to say 9/10 times the eds are spot on so well played lads! My only gripe is we keep signing endless amount of potential but not ready made stars that can show our academy how to become great players by leading/showing how to step it up! Personally my opinion is sign 1 or 2 players that really will boost our first team now and bring their knowledge to the academy instead of stunting our growth as a team! We should be run as a club with a end goal and work towards it! This cannot be another season of transition but my gut says it will be! We have an overinflated first team filled with potential and our academy is bursting with players ready to step up with nowhere to go! Someone within the club must see this? The money we waste is unreal! Sorry for the negative post but I don't feel any lessons have been learnt from last season and I backed/back Brendan to the hilt but we have to have a vision as a club for right now and in the future! YNWA

{Ed002's Note - The academy and the first team are separate entities.}

1.) 29 Jul 2015 01:39:24
I understand that ed002 but they should have an end goal they are part of the same club. I'm not saying everyone from the academy will make it but I would rather give 1 or 2 a chance every season rather than buying cover for places the academy could cover or even get first team, when I look at our first team now I struggle to see where the experience is in goalkeeper/midfield/striker I left out defence because of toure! How can our youngsters learn off players that havint hit their peek yet?

Seandaleer

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have a great tradition for bring youth through but I am afraid that has gone - regardless of the efforts of the owners to build that part of the club. Right now the panic buying we have seen for the past couple of summers is continuing - and much of that is due to bringing in the likes of Ilori, Alberto and Aspas two years ago - those places and the few games that went with them could have gone to youngsters coming through. It still needs a bunch of work and a better structure involving loans and cutting the cord when not working.}

2.) 29 Jul 2015 02:22:04
When have we ever bought a ready made player? Besides, that's what milner is

{Ed002's Note - There are countless examples.}

3.) 29 Jul 2015 02:28:50
I disagree, I think you're right that last season we went for too many 'young with potential' but this season we've signed Milner, Clyne, Firmino and Benteke, all of which strengthen obvious weaknesses in the first team squad.

Adding the odd player with potential as well is a bonus like Joe Gomez so let's not forget it's still important to buy talent young to profit if it goes well (eg. Sterling) or else the club digs itself into a financial hole. The reality is though only one in a few will progress to make it but that doesn't make it a failed strategy.

4.) 29 Jul 2015 03:56:08
I'm not sure what obvious weakness Milner and Firmino fill? Good players both of them and I'm happy to have them I suppose, but both are a bit redundant.

{Ed001's Note - or Clyne. We had no need for a right back if we had a manager worthy of the name.}

5.) 29 Jul 2015 07:27:50
Dalglish = ready made player
Barnes = ready made player
Beardsley = ready made player.

As Ed says, there are countless examples.

6.) 29 Jul 2015 03:57:08
My point exactly edd02 thanks for putting it over better than I could lol

7.) 29 Jul 2015 03:57:55
ill be honest. we probably need a guy like you ed002 more than a new manager. someone who knows how things should be done.

8.) 29 Jul 2015 09:29:05
Milner to me replaces Gerard for experience/respect factor and puts more steel into midfield. what would have happened this season if Hendo got injured? We'd be playing Lucas/Allen and/or Can without any obvious experience midfield general.

Firmino replaces Sterling, can play no.10, wing or striker

Clyne replaces GJ, an obvious problem area for Liverpool for some time now. Agree Ed that a better manager could perhaps have fixed without using Clyne but it needed fixing.

9.) 29 Jul 2015 11:23:36
I disagree ed001 with your comments regarding our need for a right back.

Manquillo was a bad loan and not needed or good enough. Johnson was rightly let go. Wisdom had a poor season at west brom and was dropped and Dawson was played right back at times because wisdom was found lacking defensively. I know you rate the lad ed001 but I don't - if anything over the past year he has regressed. I wouldn't have bought Clyne necessarily but I think a right back was defo needed

10.) 29 Jul 2015 13:36:20
Puzzled, or maybe Tony Pulis came in and thought Wisdom was not good enuff (which is not suprising because Pulis doesn`t fancy defenders who are good on the ball and comfortable in possession) after he had played every game under Irvine before he got the sack. Or did you not factor in that when new coaches come in they change things? Besides, I will not take Pulis` judgement that seriously because after all, he`s the same guy that said such an aweful player like Shawcross could play for England. I think I`ll pass on his "great" evaluation of players, thank you.

11.) 29 Jul 2015 15:03:11
We already had a backup to Henderson in Allen and we had more than enough midfielders to replace Gerrard already. Sterling didn't need replacement either, Ibe, Markovic, and Lallana are plenty of coverage for him. I'd also say Benteke shouldn't have been needed if any of the previous 8 strikers or whatever Brendan had bought were worthwhile (Sturridge excepted). Sorry, I just see our squad as ridiculously bloated. It's very hard to make a matchday 18 without tens of millions of pounds being sat in the stands.

15 Feb 2015 02:00:20
I backed the gaffer in November when it was all doom and gloom and said wait until he gets his best 11 then judge. Well he has now and we are playing well does anyone of the "brendaned Brigade" hold their hands up and say they were wrong? Or am I going to get the usual tripe that I read from so called fans/eds saying it was all his fault he was to stubborn to change his tactics! He done what he thought was best for the team he lost his strike force and tried to build from the back which by the way looks better than it has done in a few years.I'm not looking for agrees or disagrees I'm just saying Brendan is a good manager and deserves our loyalty at the end of the day we are playing good attacking football and other teams are looking over there shoulders! No disrespect to fans or eds but that's the way I see it! Everyones in titled to their views this is mine. YNWA

1.) I'm not one of those who want Rodgers out and I actually think he's a good manager but, best 11 or not, there's no excuse for how rubbish we were for the first 3 months of the season. What cost us was the transfer business. If you let Suarez go and don't replace him even though you knew he was going, you can't complain when suddenly the team isn't playing as well as it was last season

2.) It does not matter how well we play from till the end of the season. If Brendan cannot get a UCL place and a trophy in the end, then he is as good as gone. Try looking at the bigger picture from the owners POV, business is not as simple as "just enjoy the team's performances."
There are targets to be achieved and promises that need to be kept. If Brendan cannot fulfill those promises then he has failed the owners and the club. A club that wants to be in the list of elite should start their season from August, not from January every year.

3.) 15 Feb 2015 04:21:36
He shouldn't have taken so long to get us to this stage though. We always had a quality team and yes maybe it took time for players to settle in, but I garentee if he had played the more fast attacking football he played last season we would be 2/3rd easily.

It's not like Tottenham where players are learning a new style of football most of our team played that football the whole of last season and were extremely good at it. We was not a one man team last season we made Suarez that good not the other way round.

4.) Let's face it, everyone wants the manager to do well because that would mean the team does well. What annoyed everyone is that it took him 4 months to realize that playing similar tactics to last season was the way to go instead of using his arrogant system that never worked.

5.) 15 Feb 2015 06:05:08
I for one don't feel that he has done enough. Scraping results, although results non the less, against teams that we should be beating convincingly only goes to highlight that we, will not and do not cut it against the teams that we should competing with for the CL places and title. If, after last season, mediocrity is acceptable then he is doing a great job. His bizarre team selections, tactics and media outbursts with delicate situations show that he is currently NOT doing a great overall job. The players were always going to raise their game and perform because they are good players and nobody crosses that white line to lose every week.

6.) Your views are fine and opinions are all allowed. For me, I'd just say the manager is responsible for the whole season, not just the parts where we do well and he'll be judged at the end of the season on the final result, which is as it should be.

7.) Surely "looking at the bigger picture" would be not sacking Brendan Rodgers for a bad 3 months?
And how can anyone say there was no excuse for the bad start to the season?
Look at who left, how many arrived and who was injured.
I said I would not judge this team for the first 3 months because we basically had a new team.
I must admit I started to doubt the manager but even his harshest critic can't argue with 1 defeat in 17 games.
Everyone said we needed a defensive coach. Who is saying that now?
The manager solves problems. (some were of his own making granted)
We have belief, we have our fear factor back and we will get top 3 and hopefully a cup.
If the players keep doing the basics.
I have been posting a lot recently in support of the manager and that is basically because I can see a prolonged period of success coming if we keep a) the owners b) the manager and c) the core group of young players.
My question would be why sack a manager who is on the cusp of something great?
He puts together long periods of sustained form.
Last year 12 wins 1 loss and 1 draw in the last 14 games.
This year 1 defeat in 17 after an abysmal start when his neck was on the line.
People claim the transfer business was awful while at the same time are watching the very same players blossom in front of their eyes.
If we sack this manager then we will have made the biggest mistake since appointing Souness.
Even fans at other clubs I speak to are getting worried. That has not happened for years.
Patience is a virtue for a reason.
I would prefer to look at the long term rather than 3 months when judging Brendan Rodgers and that long term looks very promising.
The away support told you everything you needed to know.
They are a good judge of manager and they were singing his name to the rooftops.
Get on board lads. Its going to be fun.

{Ed001's Note - I still think we need a defensive coach, we still can't defend, our set up at set pieces is awful. Joe Allen man marking a centre back? What the hell is that about? How are we on the cusp of something great? We are not top 4, where we should be if we had a top manager. In fact a top manager would have us pushing City, maybe even Chelsea, this season. An average manager would have us outside the top 4 looking to blame losing Suarez and bringing in lots of players for us not being up there, even though the fault was totally his.}

8.) I am one of those who thought earlier this season he should go because how poor we have been and not for one game or two but consistently. We were really awful.

I have changed my mind around Xmas as I said here several times and am quite impressed with how much we was able to change things around. I don't feel very guilty about the fact I wanted him gone, because it is very rare that a team play so awful consistently for 3-4 months and then change and play so well and consistently win as we did in recent months.

I agree with other here that if we don't win trophies and finish top4 the season will still be considered a failure though I am pretty sure if we are able to play like we play now until the end of the season BR's position is safe. Assuming we cannot bring a Mourinho or Guardiola, getting rid of BR when the team is playing so well and a very attractive football as well, and when he is very popular among the players, would be insane and the way I read the owners they are not keen to get rid of him unless they feel we hit rock bottom.

9.) I think we are zonally marking with our biggest defenders, so they are free to attack the ball and the smaller members of the team stand in front of the oppositions players to try and stop them from getting an easy run at the ball.
Not a bad theory but I am not sure it will work.
I would not be unhappy having a new voice and ideas in terms of defensive coaching its not an insult to receive help is it?

{Ed001's Note - yes they are doing that, and it is idiotic and will cost us over extended periods of time. We always look like we are going to concede and it gives opponents hope. Fix the set pieces issue and we would find opponents concentrating entirely on trying to stop us, which would put us under even less defensive pressure.}

10.) Sorry ed. We will have to disagree on that.
I think its obvious we are on the cusp of a prolonged period of success.

{Ed001's Note - how is it obvious? Every season he messes up the first few months, when has he shown any signs of learning a lesson from that? This is the 3rd season in a row now, there has been not one single sign of anything changing.}

11.) Harsh because the 1st season is always going to take time to settle with a new coach and players who are not used to his methods.
And I know Koeman has hit the ground running but that is not always the case.
Last season we won the first 4 games in a row.
I am happy to go with you in your belief that we were not playing great football but we were picking up results early on last season.
And in my opinion there are lots of reasons why we had a slow start this year. 9 new players, manager being stubborn, Losing best player in Europe behind CR and LM and our other worldy striker being injured on England duty.
I can agree that he deserves a lot more criticism for this seasons poor start than the other two starts and that does give credence to your argument about not learning.
But you can't ignore the fact that he always finds solutions to the perceived problems.
That is surely the sign of a good manager.
For me the biggest reasons I think we are onto something big is the style of Football we play, the age of our squad and the academy we have. ( if he uses it)
Maybe I am overly optimistic Ed001 after a good result yesterday.
Or maybe its because the wife and kids are about to go to the mother in laws for about 3 days.
FREEDOM.
And sorry in advance for the increased post traffic headed your way.

{Ed001's Note - sorry mate but as I see it Rodgers is like Mourinho, Bielsa, Redknapp, Allardyce and almost every manager every to have managed. They have their way of playing and will always revert to it as soon as they possibly can.

Allardyce is a really prime example, fighting for a top 3 place, playing good footie, after being forced to change his style or be sacked. So what does he do at that point, when he has made himself safe from the chop? He reverts back to 'his' style and they slide down the table. I know people are making excuses about injuries, but they had those injuries when they were flying. It is not injuries, it is poor management.

Rodgers made himself safe last season using a different style, so what does he do at the start of this season? That's right, he reverts to 'his' style. It was only when his situation was close to an immediate sacking that he made a change. As soon as he is safe, he will once again revert to 'his' style of boring pass, pass, pass, going nowhere football that has failed him miserably but he is too arrogant to accept defeat with.}

12.) Jonnybarnes, so u are happy that that our season for the past 3 seasons has started from January? That is simply not good enough for a club like LFC. Fans like u have gotten so used to mediocrity that even the slightest improvement is seen a success by you. What excuse will u have if Brendan makes the same excuses next season repeatedly. How can us say this season is anything more than a pathetic failure if the club is not in the UCL next season after spending nearly 150 million GBP?
"A manager on the cusp of something great???" Did u say the same thing after last season? How did that turn out for u? This excuse about needing time and more time is just plain c**p. Managers just come up with this excuse to cover their own backsides and the fans just lap it up. Pellegrini won the BPL in his first season with a fractured Man City team. Saints are challenging for top4 after losing half their first team squad. I didn't see these two making lame excuses about needing time, instead opting to achieve the season's targets. Brendan should take a leaf out of their books, and admit his shortcomings.

13.) Jonnybarnes, put urself in the owners shoe. Think of all the money you have spent over his time as the manager. and not the performances of the past month alone.

14.) Barnes, we are all positive because we want our team to win. It just seems like you are ready to give BR a pass for all his unforced blunders (LS is not one because he knew he would be sold) by making suppositions and excuses for his appalling conduct. "On the cusp of something big". Did you say that with a straight face because i`ll have whatever you`re having. You can be positive BUT please, be reasonable and logical and quit glossing over his recurrent failures that the owners (bless their hearts) will no longer tolerate IMO. I know this because we both know that if we were FSG, we would not tolerate this shambles from an employee so why should they tolerate it from BR? Top 4 was NOT the target he promised and like it or not, HE DID and it will be seen as failure so why should they keep him? because he has a good half a season every year or because he speaks 3 languages? His job is to win and get success that the owners have spent fortunes on and if he can`t do that over 3 years, then we both know what the verdict could be. Come this summer, he will have to explain himself and the verdict will fall.

15.) If our season started in January last year then we must have been doing something well before then because we were top in January.

16.) Redohio, not a pass but time.
W

22 Jan 2015 23:16:41
I don't post often as many of you will know but I've got a bee in my bonet so here goes! All this Brendan doesn't use the youth system and should go is bs IMO, FSG gave The manager a transfer policy they wanted put in place (btw I'm not a fsg hater) buy young sell for profit (or so we are lead to believe) That is the reason youth players are stunted from breaking through to the first team and btw can anyone name a player that went on to be a fantastic player after not making it through liverpools youth system? I'm not saying Rodgers is blameless what I am saying is the transfer policy is the wrong way round, It should be buy class to teach class!


Seandaleer

1.) 23 Jan 2015 02:04:00
Oh so it's the owner's fault, I see.

2.) 23 Jan 2015 08:03:07
How could any player make it after leaving our system when our system keeps them stuck at the lower level for so long that by the time they leave for somewhere that cares about their long term future, their development has already been seriously stunted? Sorry mate but this is rubbish and this 'transfer policy' is largely made up - BR has the full right and ability to use the youth squad and has chosen without fail to do just about anything to avoid it - including the repeated use of Cissokho and Moses in the first XI, playing the already under-performing Johnson out of position or 4 CB's on the pitch because we had no fit FB's etc

3.) I think it's the "buy young to sell for profit" sentence that I don't like. It should be "buy 2-3 top class players to fill gaps" and then let them teach the youngsters coming through.

Having said that I think the team looks younger and more talented than I've seen in a very long time, partly due to some of the acquisitions made last summer, there were just too many of them and it's created blockages. Hopefully starts to clear in the summer.

I think Llalana, Can and Markovitc in particular could really shape help our future.

4.) Surely, if the owners are interested in improving players and making a profit when selling them, they would be even happier if our youth team players were played, progressed, and then sold on for big bucks? That way they don't even need to fork out the 5/10/15/20Million on young talent if the plan is simply to make a profit in the future?

I'm sure it's been mentioned a while back that a youth player with even a handful of appearances tends to fetch more money than 1 who has never had a sniff of first team football at his own club.

5.) Blaming the owners is a pathetic excuse of an agument to explain our troubles this year. They are not perfect BUT are trying their best to right the wrongs of those b4 them, taking on debt to expand Anfield and pouring money to keep the club afloat as well as righting their own mistakes too. At least, they are learnin and willing to take advice for advice. Can`t say the same for BR. We all know who wasted their money, neglected our academy, is arrogant and stubborn as well as self-serving, a politician who is an embarassment in the media, can`t fix the defence for crap over 3 yrs, never learns from his blunders and is staring at the sack this summer.

Hint: It`s not the owners.

20 Nov 2014 03:37:02
I don't post many comments but read this page everyday, To say I'm embarrassed is an understatement, to turn so quickly on Rodgers is a joke! this is the man that brought us so close to our first premiership ever whilst playing the most attacking and exciting football we have seen in over a decade! We have been unlucky with injuries and lost our gem but just remember how worse off without Rodgers we were.I don't buy into this we were lucky last season, We ripped teams apart! We are missing our 2 main players from last year ofcourse we are struggling but to be struggling still in every cup and fighting for top 4 doesn't warrant a Rodgers out campaign for goodness sake!!! We have a better squad now once Rodgers finds his best 11 then judge him Rome wasn't built in a day! "if you can't support us when we are losing don't support us when we are winning"

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09 Aug 2015 01:17:25
O G you have either had a knock to the head or have had a few to many beers! Chelsea played with 10 men for nearly a full half against a very good Swansea team and still counter attacked effectively! They showed why they are champions in the face of adversity they changed their game plan and competed fantastically! They didn't settle for a point they tried to push for a winner! A draw was a fair result but Chelsea showed their credentials as title favourites by sticking together and trying to get the result, I just hope our players show the same determination tomorrow and if they do I'll be happy whatever the outcome!! I thought William was superb today ran his socks off but the stand out again for me was Shelvey got to love his enthusiasm!! YNWA

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29 Jul 2015 03:57:08
My point exactly edd02 thanks for putting it over better than I could lol

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29 Jul 2015 01:39:24
I understand that ed002 but they should have an end goal they are part of the same club. I'm not saying everyone from the academy will make it but I would rather give 1 or 2 a chance every season rather than buying cover for places the academy could cover or even get first team, when I look at our first team now I struggle to see where the experience is in goalkeeper/midfield/striker I left out defence because of toure! How can our youngsters learn off players that havint hit their peek yet?

Seandaleer

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have a great tradition for bring youth through but I am afraid that has gone - regardless of the efforts of the owners to build that part of the club. Right now the panic buying we have seen for the past couple of summers is continuing - and much of that is due to bringing in the likes of Ilori, Alberto and Aspas two years ago - those places and the few games that went with them could have gone to youngsters coming through. It still needs a bunch of work and a better structure involving loans and cutting the cord when not working.}

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Cup tied for both domestic cups fella