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28 May 2015 04:12:02
We all know the favourites to leave, but has any clubs expressed an interest in the following players?

Mignolet, Enrique, Allen, Skrtel.

All good prem players but not quite the standard we need.

Cheers

Red-Rum

{Ed001's Note - no, no one he has shown any interest in, no, not for a while.}


1.) 28 May 2015 08:23:03
Consider this. Liverpool have one of the worse defenses in the EPL, yet LFC has the joint highest amount of clean sheets. I know that distribution is also an important aspect, but a GK main task is to keep the ball out of the goal.

{Ed001's Note - except that we achieved that by possession of the ball, rather than good defending or a good keeper.}


2.) 28 May 2015 08:47:58
Would be happy to see them all leave but we would only recoup half what we paid for Allen Mignolet Enrique
Skrtel has value but massive wages will put clubs off a 30 year old


3.) 28 May 2015 09:15:23
I´m not a fan of using hypothetical situations, but which EPL goalkeeper with our defense and John Achterberg as his coach would do much better than Mignolet?

De Gea, Courtois, perhaps Cech?

I know it´s impossible to answer, but I´m just pointing out that Mignolet doesn´t have the best conditions to improve, and that another goalkeeper might not be the solution.


4.) 28 May 2015 10:05:42
Im guessing we can't actually afford to buyba new first coice centre back and goalkeeper as well as everything else we need. So Skrtel and Mignolet shoumd probably stay. And tge money we'd get for Allen probably wouldn't be worth it anyway so we might as well keep him as backup.


5.) 28 May 2015 10:41:29
@RedFuzz, all three would of course have done a lot better than Mignolet.

If we had a better keeper he may have organised the defence better too, it's not all about shot stopping. Organising the defence better would lead to us building attacks from better foundations and do you know what, we may have scored some more goals and won some more matches with a better keeper.

Even his shot stopping is being over-rated. Stoke being the most obvious recent example. His defence crumbled in front of him 100% I know that but he should have done much better himself too.


6.) 28 May 2015 10:47:21
mingolet has turned his season around and will stay, Allen is always brendans (son) by that I mean Brendan has always admired him, he will stay. Skrtel has been easily our best deffender this season, he will stay. However Enrique has been told he can go


7.) 28 May 2015 19:03:31
Skrtel not good enough???? what planet are you on? he's been our best CB for the last two years! Braindead Retard has already pushed Agger out the door, now he wants to push Skrtel out as well. While meantime handing the 75 year old Toure a new contract! wake up! The players that REALLY aren't good enough and that should be sold is endless unfortunately, what is easier is who should stay!


8.) 28 May 2015 20:20:12
I like Skrtel, he's never injured and always does his best. I guess I would just like to see us have ball playing centre backs who can hold a high line and communicate with each other. I'd prefer Toure just because of his leadership. If he got a good run with Sakho he could do well for us. He's not too old.

As for Migs, I don't think he's good enough at all. And for those who say he's a good shot stopper, shouldn't all keepers be good shot stoppers, hence their role of keeping the ball out of the net. There's mignolets and Czezsnys, then theirs Cechs and Courtois who are a class above.

Red Rum


 

 

15 May 2015 15:23:32
It's been a while since I asked you about this player, but I was wondering if there has been any recent interest from us (or other clubs) in Granit Xhaka? He'd be perfect for us in my opinion. He's comfortable in possession, always wants the ball and would really strengthen our midfield.

Red Rum

Red-Rum

{Ed002's Note - Xhaka has recently signed a new long-term contract and won't be moving this summer.}


 

 

10 May 2015 10:58:42
Ed, are you aware of any interest in Sakho? He only has 2 years left on his contract, do you think the club will be eager to give him an extension or do you think we are willing to consider offers?

Thanks in advance.

Red Rum

Red-Rum

{Ed002's Note - Sakho was of interest to another side earlier in the season when he had been replaced by Lovren - and they had a player who would have been made available in a straight exchange. Now it has all settled down and I don't see him leaving this summer.}


1.) 10 May 2015 11:18:04
out of curiosity who was the player, also if Skrtel were to leave have we had a look at Howdes of FC Schalke as a replacement ?

{Ed002's Note - I fear it would lead to trouble if I said. Liverpool has shown no interest in Howedes.}


2.) 10 May 2015 11:55:53
Cheers for that insight Ed, I'd love to know who the player was but I understand why you cannot say. I have a sneaky feeling he will be sold this summer.

Red Rum


3.) 10 May 2015 12:59:13
Can we know the club that had the interest Ed?

{Ed002's Note - I explained, it is history and probably trouble if I tell you.}


4.) 10 May 2015 15:18:49
It was Arsenal ha


 

 

15 Jul 2014 00:13:07
Aspas has joined Sevilla on a season long loan with an option to join on a permanent basis.

Red Rum

Red-Rum

1.) I don't understand our club at times, we loan to many players out with option to buy that we then get played hard ball over.


2.) Yes, I know what you mean. Aspas is almost 27 and will be almost 28 when his loan deal expires. What if they don't take up the option to make his stay permanent? Surely his value will have decreased by then?

Maybe it was the only viable way to get the Moreno deal done and dusted early on.

Anyway, I am sure he will do well in the Spanish league as he did for Celta Vigo. Good luck to him.

Red Rum


3.) Agree with Baz - we have again let a player leave on loan with an option to buy, how many times do we need to put our hands in the fire to understand that it burns?

{Ed002's Note - The trick is not to spend some £20M plus buying players that are not going to play more than a handful of games in total.}


4.) Have to agree with the Ed on this one. Stop buying players that aren't going to play and the problem solves itself.


5.) Can see him doing well with Sevilla. He was great with Celta Vigo, don't think he suits us or the Prem.


6.) The trick is not to spend 20 million plus on players who do not play. It is difficult though to get it right every time. We could be doing a spurs, but we could also be said to be doing a Liverpool 88 of Barnes, Beardsley and Aldridge. Very few winners in the modern game, but many now are cast as villains even before failure. Liverpool have impressed on many fronts in the last few years. There will always be a few steps back, like losing Suarez. The important theme is that we continue to make more steps forward and move towards being a permanent champions league club genuinely challenging for the top honours.


7.) Fancy seeing you here Miike. ;) Although you probably have no idea who I am.


8.) Red_Rum

He's not going to get a game at Liverpool, so why would his value decrease if he's getting game time at a big club like Sevilla? Surely it's a good way to put him in the shop window, with a possible deal with Sevilla at the end of it and, if not, perhaps another club who has seen him play more than 5 matches in a season?

Anyway, good luck to him, shame it never worked out. He always looked desperate to play when you saw him on the bench at the start of the season, but I suppose it's hard to go all season without getting a sniff.


9.) Its a fair shout ed, Liverpool have been profligate in their transfers and as such are reaping the consequences. Wish we'd take a firmer stance on loans though, have we actually loaned a player out with the option to buy that hasn't backfired on us?


 

 

27 Jun 2014 20:27:47
Ed, have Liverpool shown any interest in Serge Aurier?

I would be over the moon if we bought him this summer. He is a strong fullback who can defend as well as attack. I don't think I can cope with Glen Johnson for another season.

Red Rum

Red-Rum

{Ed001's Note - no sorry.}


1.) 27 Jun 2014 21:43:19
Common dude. let Arsenal have atleast one.


 

 

 

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18 Jul 2019 02:12:31
Regarding Coutinho, some people have very short memories. Coutinho had to put up with some serious lack of quality ahead of him during his time at the club. Apart from Suarez (and Sturridge when fit) he had the likes of Balotelli, Lambert, Aspas, Borini, a raw Sterling, Moses, Ibe, etc to feed balls into.

I remember complaining on here several times about us having such poor quality ahead of him, and this is when he began to add shooting to his game (unfortunately people only seem to remember this aspect of his game), they seem to forget about his world class dribbling ability and vision.

They also seem to forget that he was often played out of position (left wing - which is not his position) . Anyone who has watched Coutinho play over the years knows that he is an attacking midfielder who likes to drop deep, receive the ball, drive at the opposition, and create chances. How can Liverpool fans think of him as a winger who just likes to cut in and shoot from 25 yards?

I suppose we would have to blame Brendan Rodgers for how he ended up at the club, but we should know better. All those who are saying Coutinho was not good enough for us, or he improved us by leaving, etc, need to stop letting the way he left the club cloud their footballing knowledge.

Red-Rum

1.) 18 Jul 2019 02:38:51
he got all that quality ahead of him at barfca and his trick still seems to be to cut in onto his right and lash a shot.


2.) 18 Jul 2019 03:35:17
So we didn't improve since he left then? I think you'll find we did mate.


3.) 18 Jul 2019 02:36:24
Just to add substance to my point, here's a post of mine from 2015:

03 Sep 2015 06:52:43
Can someone explain to me why we would buy a target man for a system where we don't threaten from wide? It's quite obvious that we're not going to see Benteke bursting through defences and running onto through balls, which is exactly why Lambert and Balotelli didn't work out for us last season.

Notice how we've played our best football in recent years when we've had forwards who can make penetrating runs. Torres, Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling. And why Carroll, Lambert, and Balotelli didn't work out.

Not only does our system do Benteke a disservice, but also Coutinho and the other attacking players who have no runners to feed through ball to. This is why we were poor last season, and it's exactly the same this season.

Selling Lambert and Balotelli and buying Benteke hasn't solved anything. It's the same problem, just different personnel.

No matter how good a target man we buy, he won't fit in at Liverpool unless we change the system to compliment that player. However, the transfer window is shut, and were left with only Ibe as the natural wide player. I'd suggest Milner, but did he not sign with promises of a central position?

I'll get shot down for this, but I'd drop Benteke (through no fault of his own) and go with Ings up top. At least then Coutinho will have someone running in behind who he can feed his through balls to. I know most will disagree because of how good Benteke is, and how much he cost, but if he's not going to be able to make an impact then why play him. I really don't understand the thought processes behind the majority of transfers over the last few years.


4.) 18 Jul 2019 04:41:45
I remember him very well at his limited time at AM. I remember him as a player who took far too many touches when he should have played the final ball. I remember him as lacking defensively. I remember him as an okay set piece taker who isn’t as good as Trent. Overall I remember him for his goals and wonderful play as many fans do. Which is fine. I like Coutinio. I appreciate what he did for us. I don’t particularly care how he left, Van dijk did the same.

Do I think he’s worth £80-£100 million. Jesus Christ. We were lucky to get the fee we did and there’s significantly better players available for a lower price.


5.) 18 Jul 2019 05:27:54
If Coutinho was world class he would have stood out despite having those forwards ahead of him. Do you think Pirlo or Kaka would have suffered the same with Borini or Aspas ahead of them? Coutinho obviously has a lot of ability or he wouldn't be a Brazilian international but i remember him blowing hot and cold on the pitch, occasionally completely anonymous. He wasnt the hardest worker until his final season and, as the OP points out, was not versatile enough to play in a variety of positions.
I wouldn't be paying more than 30-40m for him and even then it would be to use him as a fallback if Firmino or Gini get injured.


6.) 18 Jul 2019 07:47:57
Coutinho played his first half of a season as an attacking mid when we signed him in January. After that he played left midfield in a diamond for one season which he was okay at but left the defence very exposed. Then he played left forward in a front 3 right up until his last 6 months were Klopp tried him as a left midfielder in the midfield 3, but quickly realised he couldn't hack it and rotated Coutinho and Mané in the left forward role.

People do have short memories, but it is not the people saying Coutinho can't play midfield. He was removed from midfield because we were conceding 50 odd goals a season with the likes of him in there.

Coutinho is a very good left forward. He is a bit of a one trick pony, but so was Robben. If the trick is that good, then it's not a bad thing. The problem is not that Coutinho isn't good enough for Liverpool. As a left forward we have literally seen years of proof he links well with Firmino etc. The problem is that when he left and we stopped rotating Mané all the time, Sadio went to a new level and is now arguably the best left forward in world football. So Coutinho would pretty much be an £80m reserve player. Unless people genuinely believe that 18 months playing as a left winger in Spain or for Brazil will have made him a better midfielder in English football or that he is better than Mané.


7.) 18 Jul 2019 08:54:08
you wrote all of that and fail to recognize the simple fact that his current style isn't a natural fit for how we currently play.


8.) 18 Jul 2019 09:30:00
Most teams would improve if they spent about €250 m on players after Coutinho’s departure though Salah, lol?


9.) 18 Jul 2019 10:10:08
He didn't win us anything anyway.


10.) 18 Jul 2019 10:37:19
Red rum, spot on! Eamonn, he took far to many touches of the ball because the movement ahead of him at the time red rum is talking was shocking, nobody was on his wavelength. Like a Virgil, if he didn't stand out why did Barcelona pay (potentially) £142 million for him?


11.) 18 Jul 2019 10:45:11
Agreed TJ but we saw our attack improve dramatically since he left mate, that was clear for everybody to see and we didn't improve on our attack since he left. Look at Firmino, he's always been a good player but when coutinho left he turned into an excellent player. This system wasn't suited to Coutinho, he'd be the odd one out in this team now.


12.) 18 Jul 2019 10:51:59
Just reading ballotelli borini and lambert sends shudders 😂.


13.) 18 Jul 2019 11:18:48
Barcelona pay (potentially) £142 million for him?
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Well Barcelona did n't pay anywhere near that for him . Ed002 explained it just yesterday so far they paid around the £90m for him.


14.) 18 Jul 2019 11:23:55
This whole Coutinho thing . Its ridiculous to say he was n't a stand out player . just search this same site from 2 years ago and you will see a lot of praise for him and yes a lot of criticism.
Did we improve without him? Of course we did, BUT I think we would've improved with him as well .
Will he make us a better team? Probably NOT, but will offer us something different and I believe with him in the team will give Firmino more freedom up front and more goals .
I don't care if he is back or not . If he is back, it means Klopp wanted him back and will have a plan for him.


15.) 18 Jul 2019 13:19:32
Long story short people need to get over him, he's never going to return to Liverpool and that's that so all this talk is irrelevant.


16.) 18 Jul 2019 14:44:39
My post has nothing to do with Coutinho returning but rather to do with the fickleness of some fans. Comments like "he didn't win us anything" and "so we didn't improve since he left then? " are ridiculous. How can one player win us silverware? Just look at the lack of quality he had to put up with - and I didn't even mention the defenders. Did we improve because we sold a crap player who hindered our progress through lack of ability, or did we improve because we invested mega money to strengthen in other areas?

Coutinho is one of those players that you need to build a system around. Play him out on the wing and you hinder his ability (as we have seen both at Liverpool and Barcelona), play him as a box to box midfielder (as in Klopp's system) and he'll look lazy. Play him as the attacking midfielder in a 433 with two holding midfielders behind him and three quality forwards ahead of him and watch the little magician work.

Look at Shaqiri. He was outstanding in attacking midfield early on last season, but when Klopp switched back to his 433 (flat midfield), Shaqiri was frozen out of the team. Klopp did not want to play him out wide where he would be less effective, nor did he trust him in a box to box role. Likewise, Coutinho would find himself in the same situation if he returned to Liverpool - which is why a return is very unlikely.


17.) 18 Jul 2019 14:58:27
No idea why they paid that, Waro (although 90m is more accurate) . Im sure Messi and Neymar wanted him and Barcas scouts thought he would do well in La Liga. doesn't change the fact that for us he didn't work hard enough and took endless shots from 30 yards when there was a pass available. Some of those shots hit the back of the net, as we all remember, but i also recall more of them hitting the nosebleed section. Good enough player on his day but Barcelona were utterly robbed at that price.


18.) 18 Jul 2019 16:20:02
Red Rum, no offence but you talk like it's FIFA mate. Where is the evidence that Coutinho will be this world class saviour in attacking midfield of a 4-2-1-3? He's barely kicked a ball in that role in years, if ever. Sure, his technical ability points towards that being a good fit for him, but every time a team has tried him there he's looked shackled. He's best when he has time on the ball. You don't get that in the hole behind the striker. You have to be ahead of everyone else mentally and find time/ space where there is none.

Coutinho's best attributes are running at people and making them commit so he can feint inside and either get a shot away, whip a cross in, or slide a pass through to the forwards. Its easy to find space out wide so it suits him. He's not intelligent enough as a player to find space in congested areas and he wants too many touches to consistently pass through teams. All his problems are in his head. Technically he is easily good enough so it looks great on paper. If he had the tactical acumen to do it though, I'm sure one of his past 4 or 5 managers would've played him there.

You claim that it hinders his ability when he is played out wide but as a wide forward he was arguably our best player at times. I think He's a very good player but this myth that he can play midfield is out of hand. Even Barcelona believed it when they signed him to replace Iniesta. If he can't cope with the workload of a midfielder at the top team in a very top heavy La liga, then he has no chance in the Premier League.

I don't know what you are basing these statements on, but they are baseless opinions. His best season in midfield was 13/ 14 and that was nearly 6 years ago when he had a lot more youthful exuberance, but as a team we still let in over 50 goals which cost us the title. No way you can blame Coutinho for that, but as a unit, we were less solid with him in midfield. He only scored 8 goals that year. He's at least doubled that return playing as a left forward. Even Rodgers clocked on to that. You've made a comment there as if Rodgers was bad for Coutinho's career/ development but under Rodgers he went from a under performing midfielder on the fringes of an aging Inter Milan team, to one of the best left forwards in Europe. The problem I have with him coming back is that Mane is even better.


19.) 18 Jul 2019 16:54:52
Well said, PB. Cou is a has been and we have become a better team, scored more, conceded less, won more points and won The Sixth, all accomplished after he left.

We have moved on from him. Maybe those who want him back or those bashing others for not wanting him back should stop rewriting history making it look like he was some type of beast as a player cos we all don't have short memories.


20.) 18 Jul 2019 18:55:27
Plain bread, I base my statements on what I see on the pitch. You pull up a bunch of stats and say I'm talking as if it's Fifa?

RedWolf, the logic on here never ceases to amaze me. We had a successful season after Coutinho left so that means he was rubbish anyway - let's disregard all other factors.

Ah, I digress.


21.) 18 Jul 2019 19:10:10
Coutinho is a very talented player. He scored 12 goals in his last half season here despite not really giving a toss. You can't do that if you're not any good, regardless of the quality of the players around you. But the problem is even before he was on a go slow to get his Barcelona move, he played for himself.

Maybe this was partly as a result of having a couple of seasons where he was the only real quality we had, but for whatever reason, he took way too many touches, constantly passed up opportunities to keep flowing moves going in favour of trying to engineer a shot or a final ball himself whether it was on or not, which, once we had quality around him, made us a worse team in spite of his own personal contributions.

If he'd change that, he'd slot into the team no problem, but why would we expect him to do that? It's his style and probably always will be.

With that being the case, there's no point in going back for him and had Oxlade-Chamberlain not gotten injured, I don't think we'd even be talking about it.


22.) 19 Jul 2019 10:19:00
I loved him at the time RedWolf. I wouldn't call him a has been personally. From when Suarez left to when Mane signed, for me he was our best player. He was brilliant at times and scored game changing goals at times when we lacked quality.

Klopp raised the bar though. Coutinho is not world class. He's just very good. We now have world class players through the team. Alisson, Virgil, Salah and Mane in particular. Arnold, Robbo, Fabinho and Firmino are all debateable too depending on how you define it.

Coutinho would be a good signing if we didn't already have a world class player in his position. Mane is a phenom. He matched Salah and Aubameyang, outscored Kane, Hazard and Aguero etc. And those 5 all take penalties and free kicks. Mane is currently the most prolific forward in the league from open play.

So why would we spend all that money on Coutinho who's best position is where Mane plays? If we want an attacking midfielder we should sign a specialist. Not try and force Coutinho into a role he's got no track record of performing in, despite playing with world class players at club and international level.


23.) 19 Jul 2019 13:07:57
Coutinho is not a winger Plain Bread.


24.) 19 Jul 2019 19:04:56
Theres no doubt he is an elite player. But he just doesn't fit our current style. If he had stayed i think klopp would have built the team around him. But he didnt. So we changed our style of play and became more succesful. I think signing vvd was massive in us becoming a better team. More so than couthino leaving.

Could couthino change his style? Maybe. Should he? No, he should stay at Barcelona and try and prove the fans wrong.


 

 

02 Jun 2019 12:42:49
What a big game player Origi has turned out to be! Although his Liverpool career seemed to be drawing to an end, he has come in when called upon and delivered. He scored a big goal in the derby, he was the main man in our demolition of Barcelona which got us to the Champions League final, and again he came up with the goods against Spurs in the Champions League final. So my questions is: A £50m offer comes in for him, take it or leave it?

Red-Rum

1.) 02 Jun 2019 12:51:44
Leave it. He's one of our own now. He keeps playing like this and he might actually make a case to be in our best XI.


2.) 02 Jun 2019 13:00:09
£50m? I'd take it, his build up play isn't good enough to break into the first 11. But I don't see an offer like that coming in and he's a proven option off the bench. Great lad who's written himself into the Liverpool history books.


3.) 02 Jun 2019 13:06:02
No he stays. If he'll accept coming off the bench then he should stay. He's not reached his full potential yet, he's still very young. This season will boost his self confidence, and we know that's everything in football. He knows the club and the playing systems inside and out.


4.) 02 Jun 2019 13:10:34
I would take 30.
Thanks for all that he did (and is) but that is roundabout his worth.
My opinion.


5.) 02 Jun 2019 13:09:35
No way, not in a million years, hpw can ypu talk about selling him today?

He is a hero, he has confidence of being a ucl winner. I said i would track you down and play Rick Astley "never going to give you up" eamonsf. Im a coming (im doing the dance all the way to ypir house)


6.) 02 Jun 2019 13:39:43
We must keep him at all costs, this lad can be something special, look at what he's done for us this year, he's got to start more games next season for me.


7.) 02 Jun 2019 13:54:20
He could be our super sub for years, I’d only sell him if he asked to go.


8.) 02 Jun 2019 13:59:43
Agrred salah.

I posted somewhere that i reckon if (in a weird world where bobby wasnt so instrumental in our play) origi played all the time, would get 20+ a season.

He won't be sold. He f######g won us the champions league at anfild against messi and co.


9.) 02 Jun 2019 14:25:25
wobbly legs routine didn't do dudek any favors.


10.) 02 Jun 2019 14:44:46
I would sell him he has done great for us but we will never get anything like what we would get for him this summer. And I think Bobby starts and Brewster will play more than him next year. then his price will just go down we have got to build on what we have done this season. We did not do that after 2005. City keep getting better and we have to do the same. No way would he get us 20+ league goals a season and he will never be a bobby type player. And am sure at his age he does not won't to be a 15 minute impact player.
Would love to hear ed001 thoughts on keeping him and the other eds as an outside look.

{Ed001's Note - keep him if he wants to stay, someone who can score vital goals off the bench is invaluable.}


11.) 02 Jun 2019 14:58:03
Origi is a FREAKING legend at LFC. Who in their right mind sells a legend? NO WAY! Origi stays and that's it, IMO. To me, the kid has a lot to learn and for me his BIGGEST asset, is that he NEVER panics in front of goal. The guy has ice in his veins and has the composure in front of goal of a dare I say, Robbie Fowler. Fowler never panicked in front of goal and Origi has that trait, one that is HUGE in the development of ANY young CF.


12.) 02 Jun 2019 15:26:09
Bang on redwolf.

And he doesn't just play cf so isn't going to hinder brewster so much. Origi os brilliant coming off that left side.

It was a bad game but origis first touch and finish were sublime. A goal worthy of winning the European Cup.


13.) 02 Jun 2019 16:38:28
Goal against Everton comes to mind, the kid has done his fare share to stick around unless he wants otherwise.


14.) 02 Jun 2019 21:52:04
Origi is a confidence player. When his confidence is up he’s so much better. Remember him before Funes Mori assaulted him? He was first choice cf and scoring for fun!
That injury set him back and he lost confidence. You could see it in his body language.
Only now is he getting back to that player but unfortunately for him the rest of the team have improved massively all around him since then.
I’d keep him if he want to stay but let him go with our best wishes if he wants to pursue more game time.


15.) 03 Jun 2019 00:44:47
Are you joking?

I cannot believe what I’m reading. He’s just won us a champions league and people are discussing (even hypothetically) about selling him?!

No words.

The man should have a statue built. Would be welcome at the club forever as long as he wishes.


16.) 03 Jun 2019 11:38:56
Too right navy Keith. Why would he want to lose?


 

 

26 Feb 2019 00:39:36
We have watched our free flowing, attacking football from last season (which helped us to the Champions League final) turn into very disciplined and controlled football; some might call it boring football. However, we are just about top of the table approaching March, having lost just once this season, so we can see that it has been effective so far.

But does Klopp continue like this until the end of the season, with the hope that we pip City to the title? Or should he take the shackles off and allow our lads to take more risks instead of prioritising the clean sheet? If we win the league like this, it will be labelled a masterstroke by Klopp, I just hope that we don't draw too many more games and allow City to run away with it at the final stretch. Thoughts?

Red-Rum

1.) 26 Feb 2019 02:17:54
I guess that's why klopp gets paid the big bucks, to make this decision. I personally would persevere, we are top of the table having lost once like you said. Maybe just away from home, not be so defensive. But then I could say that and we get beat! A draw is better than a loss.


2.) 26 Feb 2019 03:18:13
I brought this up a few weeks ago. Personally, I don't think we are risking a clean sheet, as we now have the world's most expensive goalie (once) and the world's most expensive centre back. Take the shackles off! That said, it's difficult to say why we are in our funk. Could be more than just Klopp's instructions.


3.) 26 Feb 2019 05:35:29
Free flowing football resulted in huge amount of chances created which ensured goals. Now that’s not the case. We create next to nothing and relies on individual brilliance of the front three.
Out midfield despite the glowing praises since Jesus was born is stilll crap! Scores nothing and all are defensive minded players who lacks anything to go forward.
When a £60 mill midfielder doesn’t get a sniff in the first eleven that tells the story.
We don’t need to catch City we need to win the next 11 games which on current form is unlikely.
We should be 10 points clear by now had we shown balls at ethihad against a piss poor city.


4.) 26 Feb 2019 06:06:10
What you guys may not be taking into account is the sea change approach of almost all of our opponents now, all lying deeper than last season with disciplined defences and denying space to the front three.
The control is partly a symptom of this tactic; opponents are ceding possession to defend deeper.
There’s no magic button to suddenly switch to “free flowing” football.
We were a million miles off contending for the league last year, great to watch but inconsistent.
The one hugely positive aspect this year is our defensive improvement.
You feel if we score first, we’re very difficult to defeat.
It’s getting that all-important first goal, it so often changes the dynamic of the game.


5.) 26 Feb 2019 06:57:09
The juicer

Agree with your first line. Teams sitting deep and making it compact! So what do you do? How do you breach? Play more narrow? Or use the bloody width? Milner can’t cross to save his life and Robbo has been poor from months! Our wingers are inside forwards which means we rely on full backs to provide width. They need to hit the byline and cut back. I was shocked to see TAA on the bench! He is the best we have got for pace and delivery!
It’s no rocket science!


6.) 26 Feb 2019 07:40:47
Just another name, in response to this and another post in response to mine below, please permit me to refer you and others to a lesson from recent Liverpool FC history.

25 May 2005, European Champions League Final, Ataturk Stadium, Istanbul. Liverpool are 3-0 down at halftime to a far superior Milan team. Did the Liverpool supporters in the stadium turn on the team and call out individual players and the manager? No, we sang YNWA with more feeling and passion than we have ever done before and helped the team to perhaps the greatest victory in our club’s glorious history.

I think that is the example I will continue to follow and leave the inquest until the PL is done and dusted one way or the other.


7.) 26 Feb 2019 07:40:50
Sometimes I’m screaming for our wide men to get to the by-line but it doesn’t happen too often - when it does though - we often score or cause chaos. Doesn’t happen enough.
You look at the majority of City’s goals and they come from Sane, Bernardo Silva or Sterling getting in behind the last man.

For me that’s the only difference between our 2 playing styles and number of goals.


8.) 26 Feb 2019 07:49:34
Totally ageee J a n
When defences sit back tight and compact, we need to be spreading the play, use a bit more width, get to the byline then try and take a defender on. Once you hear the forst man, you split the defence and create space. Trying to play the ball through the eye of a needle doesn’t always work.

Whilst Trent wasn’t great the other night, I’d have brought him on for the last 20mis/ half an hour against a tiring United, just to give them something else to think about. He would have given us more pace and as you said, he hhhas the ability to whip the balls into the box and cause problems.


9.) 26 Feb 2019 07:51:48
Wirral

In response to the CL final, Rafa changed the tactics and team and not simply hoped for things to change itself. He played Gerrard up top and that was the catalyst of that great come back. The manager did his job as well the fans.
Mate, are you saying the fans are not supporting enough? 29 years of wait! I repeat 29 years! Which clubs supporters has been waiting this long for a league trophy?

{Ed025's Note - everton, watford, spurs, newcastle, west ham, palace, wolves, burnley bournemouth, brighton, cardiff, southampton, fulham, cardiff, huddersfield..


10.) 26 Feb 2019 07:53:18
Torres

Nailed it! Glad you are watching the match and analysing it! That’s the difference. City gets massive help form their full backs and wingers. They stretch teams. We don’t! We hit through the middle! That’s why Pep spend £100 mill on full backs!


11.) 26 Feb 2019 07:58:51
True Drogie

Trent has excellent pace and his deliveries ususlaly are top class. Though He is a poor defender but I don’t give a toss about it as long as he plays like Marcelo 😀. We need width. Our system needs width. We don’t have it.
Robertson other than aimless running cannot beat his man, cannot cross and his defending is schocking
Ed01 nailed on in his review about the player. What does he offer?
The first thing to address in the summer is full backs and bloody good full backs!


12.) 26 Feb 2019 08:31:33
The problem is, you all shout for free flowing football but as someone mentioned, this isn't a magic switch you just flick. You push for that you expose the defense massively. I'm sorry, but having VVD and Alison means nothing if the team can't defend as a unit. They alone won't stop goals. This is absolute nonsense, the team have hit a sticky patch. None of you had a problem in the first half of the season and I guarantee if we start losing 4-3 are you going to be saying "at least we played free flowing football". I think not.


13.) 26 Feb 2019 09:16:06
Just another name, and we don't get massive help from our FB's? What on earth are you on are are you Harry in disguise? Seems you just came here to whine and moan w/ o any substance really. And don't lecture the rest of us with your whole "We have been waiting for x years for a title" nonsense. You're NO bigger fan than the rest of us, got that?

Let's start with facts. Pep spent 100m on FB's cos their FB's were past it. Second, They spent 100m on FB's yet they can't defend whenever they are asked to. Pls, I ain't buying this stuff for a second. Our FB's rank amongst the best in the PL in assists and TAA is one of the best at set pieces so what on earth are you talking about us spending money on "Bloody Fullback"?

The OP makes a valid point. Klopp has made a choice and like it or not, it has worked. Why? We are top of the PL in the midst of the toughest season in PL history, going against the best and MOST expensive team England has ever seen. Did people think it would be easy? If you did then that is your choice. the rest of us know better, tho.

Also, going on and on about things we can't control or things that happened in the past that can't be changed, is just boring. Last season, we played a style that would NOT have gotten us even close to where we are now so why go back to it? And furthermore, we can play that way if it came to it and we have in times when that has been needed and scored goals for fun.

What we have now is a dip in form of the front three where they are NOT clicking and the decision-making is poor at the moment. That can be remedied on the training pitch and if the fans would just quit moaning and playing hindsight geniuses and get behind the team during tough times then maybe things would get better.


14.) 26 Feb 2019 09:27:04
Red wolf brilliant post that lad. I pretty much agree with all you have got to say there.


15.) 26 Feb 2019 09:28:26
Trent coming back into the team will help, as will Gomez.
Seems to me the biggest problem at the minute though is the front 3 and their lack of movement and making runs when the midfield have the ball and the midfield not being quick enough in attack.


16.) 26 Feb 2019 09:39:31
Brilliant RedWolf. I initially wanted to reply this post with a big F for Just Another Name, but I realized that it'll wrong for me to do so. :)


17.) 26 Feb 2019 09:43:12
I agree with some of your post Wirral but you must agree it has to change on the pitch now or we have no chance. We are sleep walking, drifting at the business end of the season. We have been told we were conserving energy so we could go full power at the end of the season. Well it is now or never.

At the end of the season I can't take people patting us on the head saying "it was a good ride", "weren't Liverpool unlucky" etc etc. It is still ours to lose but we have to change almost everything on the pitch. Demand higher tempo, quicker forward passing, Kieta must play, drive forward, etc etc. And can one of the players actually stand up and be counted and control the game or do something of genuine quality. We have been on the defensive for two months it must NOW be time to come out fighting attacking.


18.) 26 Feb 2019 09:47:45
Spot on, Mikey. That is the issue we are having now and mind you, we had that issue earlier this season and we came out of it with flying colors. We just have to get it sorted and that can be done. What the team needs now is for us to persevere with them and support them cos well, we have NO other choice.

Now, if all people want to do is moan and bitch and look for scapegoats in case we don't win the league so they can claim that they are some kind of geniuses then, they are opening themselves to be met head-on with fierce rebuttals to such defeatist, cowardly attitude. We need fans to stand up and support the team, not defeatist bottlers who are only interested in being right about whatever the heck they think they should be right about. On to Watford.


19.) 26 Feb 2019 10:11:13
Red Wolf it is a hell of a lot more than a blip. When performances and results are poor for 2 months it is a real problem not a blip.

Since Jan 1st
W3 D4 L2 there were reasons for some of the poor performances but agains't utd there should be no excuses. You should be saying that type of performance is not acceptable not just pretending all is ok. I trust Klopp is not just sticking his head in the sand and hoping for the best.

i trust Klopp today is digging out the players, kicking some of them up the arse, and telling them some home truths. We need a massive lift in performance on the pitch and I hope Klopp can drag them kicking and screaming into delivering starting agains't Watford.


20.) 26 Feb 2019 10:27:43
Still not addressing the actual point of how to breach a compact deep sitting team! Talking everything else, calling out names, mocking, abusing. What’s the point if people hardly talk about the game and how the game is played.


21.) 26 Feb 2019 10:37:25
Nailed it Markp08. Love your post. Massive fan.


22.) 26 Feb 2019 10:46:39
Harry is back!


23.) 26 Feb 2019 11:05:12
Cheers Just another name. We can still win this but we need big improvements.


24.) 26 Feb 2019 11:11:35
Mark08, we should probably discard the Wolves FA Cup game; that was an unrecognisable Liverpool team.
And therein lies the problem, the strength of the squad.
Injuries have played a large part too in disrupting the team’s performance, most especially at full back I’d say.
If Liverpool do come up short in may, that’s likely why.
We’re maybe short of two or three quality subs on the bench - a quick forward, perhaps cover for both full backs?
But the team are not caving in, they’re not getting beaten, and we’re still top of the league!


25.) 26 Feb 2019 11:36:10
Yes markup! We could still win but we have made it difficult for ourself! Shame we can’t talk about improvements on here as you would be labelled negative fan and a moaner.


26.) 26 Feb 2019 11:42:40
It is not just a squad issue - who has played well in an attacking sense over the last 2 months?

Keita has had his moments but no end product.
Firmino 1 or 2 good games at the most, Salah the same.
Mane has scored a few goals recently but agains't Utd he had a shocker.
Robbo not upto his normal standard.
Hendo I won't even go there.
Gini done ok but he very rarely has a positive effect going forward.
Milner not at his earlier season form.
Shaq invisable.

Most of these are firm team players and they are not performing. The squad needs improving no doubt but the first 11 players are way off the pace.


27.) 26 Feb 2019 12:14:48
Klopp should play Keita as he has more chance to score or assist than any other midfielder. Wiji and hendo are converted holding mid who are not going to score. Fabinho is the actual sitting mid who again doesn’t score enough. Then there is Milner who scores penalties and had only few goals from open play.


28.) 26 Feb 2019 12:08:16
Red Wolf, I spent so long composing my response to Just another name that you beat me to it! You nailed it mate, saying everything I was going to and more.

Just another name, as a fellow Red (at least, I think you are a Red) I am concerned with your stress levels as there are another 11 PL knuckle biters to go. Might I suggest you take the following 3 actions to help manage your stress :

1. Get some perspective. Just take on board the wise words of Ed025 (think of him as Gandalf with a Scouse accent and an unhealthy dependency on Southern Comfort) .

2. Take a look at the PL table and absorb the fact that Liverpool are actually on top with 11 games to go, above the team which you seem to believe has better players, better tactics and by implication a better manager.

3. Accentuate the positives about our team such as we are top; we have the best defence and the second best attack; we have the joint top scorer; we have at the very least a world class keeper, centre back, central midfield player and 3 world class forwards; we have a manager who has been in this position before and won a top European league twice.

Now, isn’t that better than bitching and looking for negatives all the time? I am pretty sure that our team will have a better chance of winning the thing if we the fans offer support and positivity rather than criticism and negativity.

{Ed025's Note - great post WW, the world and his dog would give their eye teeth to be where liverpool are at the moment, enjoy it, embrace it and feel privileged that your team are back in the big time....and give a thought to the rest of us poor sods who are aiming for the 40 point mark mate..


29.) 26 Feb 2019 12:37:54
In order to break down defensive teams we need to play a little deeper, and draw them out. Get Mané and Salah to hug the touch line so that we can stretch the opposition's defence. That will open up space down the channels for our midfielders to run into (look at Wijnaldum's recent goal) . But not only that, look at how City play, they drop off, pass the ball about deep and then ping it out to Sané who can then get in behind. The problem with us is that when teams sit deep, we keep up the pressure by playing such a high line. Whilst this keeps the pressure off our goal, it plays into the hands of the teams which are defensively organised.


30.) 26 Feb 2019 12:52:55
Wirral
There are flaws and I talk about it on the page. If that’s bitching then I am sorry but I can’t help it.
Criticism is a part and parcel of football and it is what drive you forward in achieving the success. If you sit back relax and ignore the flaws, VVD would be at city and Allison would be at Chelsea by now, we shipped in goals, someone criticised it, the club had a look at it and decided to splash the cash! Simple!
There are many positives from the season. Nobody is denying it. Fans want to see the team win every games, performs well week in week out and we have been poor from two months.
There is no blip in football. It’s all a part of the plan, strategy and lack of proper quality. We will respond against Watford and the page will say the blip is over. It’s laughable. In reality it’s all about showing quality and balls against teams. Simple
If city lose their next game it’s not a blip! It’s the loss of Fernandinho!


31.) 26 Feb 2019 12:57:29
Red Rum

City plays out form the back and invite the press and counter it by passing it precisely. We don’t play that way so there is no comparison how they bring the ball forward to ours.
City have wingers while Liverpool have inside forwards. Sane and sterling stays on the throw in lines providing them with width (one of the reason Mahrez doesn’t start often as he is no natural winger ) and their midfielders often occupies spaces up front.

City also don’t care about conceding goals as they have enough upfront to out score teams.

We need width from full backs. We don’t get it which is why we end up playing narrow and through the middle.
Once our full backs starts to hit then bylinr and take their man you will see us breaching the tight defense.


32.) 26 Feb 2019 13:18:55
Just another name, sorry mate but you are just boring the arse off me now.


33.) 26 Feb 2019 13:38:34
Either I'm going mad or certain people have no bloody idea what they're talking about, I won't name and shame but! Some of the stuff I read on here is absurd.

Eds, I feel for you, I aren't even joking, I really do because reading this kind of dross day in day out would make my blood boil. It does already and I'm not reading the filtered out stuff!

{Ed025's Note - its not too bad for me salah as im a blue, i just smile when i hear some of the stuff mate because i said a while back that its not the team "bottling it" but the supporters....and its gratifying to be proven right.. :)


34.) 26 Feb 2019 13:57:28
Salah, we need the antidote and quick - a dose of your wonderful positivity please!


35.) 26 Feb 2019 14:20:34
Just another name (for Harry), all I am saying is that we need to stretch defences more and draw the opposition out to allow us to get in behind. Im not talking about playing Mané and Salah on the wing all game, but when we are struggling, we just need to be a little smarter in possession. Other than that, I would like to see us keep going as we are. We are solid defensively and picking up points every game, it's just those moments like against United where Klopp needs to recognise the type of game we are in and make a couple of tactical changes to exploit the weaknesses of the opposition.


36.) 26 Feb 2019 14:50:59
I think all this is just a case of the majority of supporters finally realising we are not going to win the league.
Bar a half decent save from our keeper we would be in an worse situation.

{Ed025's Note - why would people be realizing that walter?, i think guys like you just want to say "i told you so" if things go tits up, thats not being a supporter mate..


37.) 26 Feb 2019 15:27:53
We are top of the league. We would all have taken this position at the beginning of the season. We could be 7 points clear and that is almost unbelievable looking at the other teams in this league. Klopp has got us to this position so in him I trust. I think we will pick up momentum now. Our games have been few and far between since Xmas, as we are out of both domestic cups and I think that has had an effect. We will be back to constant games every week now, 2 games a week and I think our players slip back into the groove that got us into this position.

We have a nice run in and I think we will win it.


38.) 26 Feb 2019 18:05:29
I miss the smart little triangle play of last year with fullback, mf and a forward. Was not too complicated, often resulted in crosses from dangerous positions or runs into the box, especially v low defence.

Is my memory off? Have this play been seen through by everyone? Do we lack timing to perform it?


39.) 26 Feb 2019 18:11:39
What is the point in being a supporter if your not able to enjoy the good times. Correct me if I'm wrong but surely being top of the table in March with only 11 games to go?! How often have we been envious of Utd, city or chelsea when in this position and simply had to accept that by this time in the season its usually a case of top four being our only achievement at best! I hate to say it but some of you honestly need to take a page out of the leicester City fans book and show a bit of belief and support for the players. No wonder the players are feeling the pressure when they are getting slated whilst being top of the league!


 

 

06 Feb 2019 17:47:41
We have made some fantastic progress of late; Champions league final last season, league leaders in February this season, and in the last 16 of the Champions League. So far so good! It's also good to see us picking up points in games where we would have come away with nothing in seasons gone by. Regardless of the recent dip in form we are now looking like a top club again. I'm looking forward to TAA coming back so we can get Milner back in the midfield. And what a player he has been for us since he joined from City. I'm actually surprised that some fans would be okay with him leaving in the summer. He's got at least two more seasons in him.

Anyway, let's not worry too much about City or Spurs, we should expect them to pick up maximum points and just focus on ourselves.

Red-Rum.

Red-Rum

1.) 06 Feb 2019 18:14:48
Spot on, RR. It is time we focus on ourselves and our football, fans/ coaches/ players alike. We need to bring positive energy back into the team and in the stands at Anfield. We need to make the players feel supported and backed and stop with all this negativity that is permeating into the team. There is no joy in the team or football anymore and we can all see it. Earlier in the season, the boys played freely cos they knew we would always have their backs hence, they played with NO fear. That has to come back and hopefully those going to Anfield from now on, can bring that back.


 

 

03 Sep 2015 06:52:43
Can someone explain to me why we would buy a target man for a system where we don't threaten from wide? It's quite obvious that we're not going to see Benteke bursting through defences and running onto through balls, which is exactly why Lambert and Balotelli didn't work out for us last season.

Notice how we've played our best football in recent years when we've had forwards who can make penetrating runs. Torres, Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling. And why Carroll, Lambert, and Balotelli didn't work out.

Not only does our system do Benteke a disservice, but also Coutinho and the other attacking players who have no runners to feed through ball to. This is why we were poor last season, and it's exactly the same this season.

Selling Lambert and Balotelli and buying Benteke hasn't solved anything. It's the same problem, just different personnel.

No matter how good a target man we buy, he won't fit in at Liverpool unless we change the system to compliment that player. However, the transfer window is shut, and were left with only Ibe as the natural wide player. I'd suggest Milner, but did he not sign with promises of a central position?

I'll get shot down for this, but I'd drop Benteke (through no fault of his own) and go with Ings up top. At least then Coutinho will have someone running in behind who he can feed his through balls to. I know most will disagree because of how good Benteke is, and how much he cost, but if he's not going to be able to make an impact then why play him. I really don't understand the thought processes behind the majority of transfers over the last few years.

What's everyone's thoughts?

Red Rum

Red-Rum

1.) 03 Sep 2015 07:44:08
Its completely down to the manager. I said this all summer, Liverpool FC will not change its style to suit any player except countinho and we would continue to play through the middle. Our game revolves around Countinho no matter who we buy and what we buy.

The one thing I learned in past three year under BR, He relies only and only on individual brilliance.

Suarez
Sterling
Benteke/Countinho

Loaning Markovic proves it clear.


2.) 03 Sep 2015 08:21:08
He is a first class idiot if he wasn't planing to get balls into Big Ben from out wide. He was planning on tippy tap football behind him then when get in trouble we can lump it up to him. It's the most painful football to watch and it doesn't even habor results in the long run so what is the point? Why would the man in charge that's on thin ice try what doesn't work?


3.) 03 Sep 2015 09:34:29
Well, it seems that Suarez and Ronaldo where not available. I think actually BR would be happy for his players to play wide and have crosses from wider positions, he just may not have the right players to do it and more importantly he is not good neough manager to understand how to actually change our style of play.


4.) 03 Sep 2015 09:48:14
You were all fine with Benteke after the first 3 games and one bad game and your all on his bad Brendans back for brining him in. Pathetic

Hrs a great player and once starring or inks get behind him and the other players get used to him we will be fine.

I'm not asking for blind support from use but one bad game which is just the fourth game of the season and your all going mad.


5.) 03 Sep 2015 09:58:35
Fanobip

Well that's a stupid excuse of players not available.He had close to 100 mill and 3 months to plan and execute.
Loaning Markovic is a clear signal he has no interest in pace and width. Ibe situation is different as he is under pressure to play the Lad.


6.) 03 Sep 2015 10:14:21
Buying Markovic for 20 million and now loaning him out to Fenerbahce.
Sums up the inept management of Liverpool across the board.

'Arry is totally correct.
Worst in years.


7.) 03 Sep 2015 10:27:52
Free speech,I think you missed to point completely there pal.I would sit back,grab a cuppa and RE read what Red Rum wrote,OG wrote.


8.) 03 Sep 2015 10:28:11
I'm only saying what I've said all along Free_Speech. Lacazette was my choice, I don't know if a deal was ever possible, but if not I'd have liked another striker in that mould. Ie with pace to get in behind. I've got nothing against Benteke (as I said above), but we should have learnt from the last 3 target men that if we want a big man up top we would need to change our system.

My point overall is that we have a very good striker but no players around him that can give him adequate service from the wide positions. The only other way I can see him getting service is if we play Milner and Ibe on the flanks. Or possibly play with wing backs.

Red Rum


9.) 03 Sep 2015 10:48:16
you guys are the happy go lucky doom sayers that are all to referred to as liverpool fans lots to say and always negative, you voice you opinions loud and your heads are stuck in fantasy manager, what we got realise is that its your opinions and the problem with that is opinions are like assholes everyone has one and they usually spout shit

so instead of coming on here trying to depress us all about how bad rodgers is or how much he has spent or how our youths don't get a chance try saying something positive stop repeating yourselves, you must realise 80% of the fans here or maybe more agree rodgers is the wrong guy for the job
you want to go on about a manager and flops in transfer market go united page and wind them up about 59 million on di maria ( a costlier flop than balowelly) or how he spent roughly over 259 million just over one season, or how he identified a cb and a striker as his main problems and like rodgers keeps buying midfeilders at least we d find that funnier to read than your constant moaning like fishwives


10.) 03 Sep 2015 10:50:00
I like Benteke and I do think there is more to his game than just heading, but as I said when we were about to sign him I was worried that we wouldn't utilise his best attribute (heading) like we didn't with Lambert, and low and behold we aren't getting crosses in! How and why doesn't Rodgers see these obvious things?
One thing I can't fathom is what is going to happen when Sturridge is fit? Surely he has to play 2 up front then (Benteke & Sturridge)? If the plan is not to play 2 up top then we will lose Sturridge because he will certainly not hang around as backup to Benteke and he will not be happy not playing up front if that is what Rodgers is thinking (if he's thinking at all). And if the plan is to only play one up front then the question has to be asked what was the point in signing Ings knowing we already had Origi coming in. There is no point having 4 strikers at the club if you are only plying one up top.
Next thing, if plan is/was to play 2 up top when Sturridge is fit then why has he not started the season with 2 up top so that the players are used to playing with 2 strikers again rather than training and playing for a few months with one then changing to two? Surely it would cause less disruption?


11.) 03 Sep 2015 11:13:42
Benteke has a lot more than just being a target man, his pace is quick enough to scare defences and he has a nice touch. Problem I see is he has to be up for it to see his use with our system. Even the first games which we won I sat there hoping to see ings get on for the last 20 or so minutes as I think at the moment his style of play would suit coutinho and our style better and give us a different threat in the last 20, holding that as the next few games come to us our team will start to play as a better unit through out the games, we weren't the only team to suffer a defeat last weekend, apart from city what other "top 4 team" is blazing away in front of us.
I'm not happy with a mediocre performance and still unsure if sticking with Rodgers is a good thing but after 1 bad game I'm not going to start throwing rattle out of pram, it's a bloody long season and as I said and as the table shows were not the only team that had a bad weekend.


12.) 03 Sep 2015 11:29:31
I think some of you have totally misunderstood what my intentions were by making the post. I probably didn't make myself clear.

So here goes. The squad is what it is, so how do you guys think we should utilise the squad to start being more dangerous on the attack?

Red Rum


13.) 03 Sep 2015 11:50:20
Red Rum it was clear enough,don't worry about that.


14.) 03 Sep 2015 12:01:21
We don't need width just for benteke - we need width as an option 'period'. When teams park the bus, only a fool (brendan rodgers) would still try and play through the middle - where there is no space.


15.) 03 Sep 2015 12:10:37
I think Benteke can play up top on his own, without question.

The key thing is where we set up collectively on the pitch. At the moment, and like last season, we're too deep as a team. We need to push 10 yards up the pitch, and get players around him more quickly.

Our wide men (in what is a narrow system) are pressing from the half-way line. It's too deep, if we move 10 yards up the pitch, the pressing will be much more effective.

I agree Ings needs to play. I really think he'll score a hatful given the chance.


16.) 03 Sep 2015 12:56:27
We have a good squad, Rodgers should be able to use our squad for top 4 at least, not saying win league but we should be there or there abouts, apart from Man city perhaps Chelsea the other clubs have no better squad than us. Problem to me is Rodgers has that many midfielders he's concentratin on how to get them all on the pitch at once.
We need to start from the back, strong back 4 including sakho if I had my way then let lovren and skrtle fight to play next to him, Luca has to start just in front of them, Milner and Henderson just in front of Lucas left and right central, which leaves the 3 front spots to be fought over, I'd start with firmino and Coutinho either side of bent eke to start with, then during the second half use lallana ibe and ings to change pace, shape and another dimension depending on team.
We have good players who can create, good experience and a lot of power and pace. But too many midfielders playing at once. Our players should be made to earn their place, we have cover all over the pitch so if ANY player is not performing change him.
Just my opinion


17.) 03 Sep 2015 12:56:59
Starting from the back I would play a high line which requires pacey CBs who are good on the ball. Pacey to catch the opposition attackers trying to beat the offside trap and good on the ball so as to invite pressure and stretch the opposition team. That would most likely mean Sakho, Ilori, Gomez.
I'd change our LB to Moreno who carries an attacking threat and the high line would mean he would have less ground to cover when tracking back. I'd also have the full backs overlapping so as to add more options in attack. So Clyne and Moreno there.
The midfield three would be either Lucas or Rossiter as deep lying, Hendo or Milner or Can as box to box and Couts or Texeira or Lallana as advanced playmakers.
In attack I'd keep Benteke because he is good at winning the first ball but I would place wingers/inside forwards playing off the shoulder to give him and our midfield some runners. So that would be three attackers, with the wide ones contributing defensively, mainly by pressing high. For me that would be three of Benteke, Firmino, Ings, Ibe and Lallana. I would add Milner as well but I doubt he'd be happy with that after being promised a central role.

In the summer I'd bring in a sweeper keeper who's fast at coming of his line and has a good, quick distribution to start counter attacks.


18.) 03 Sep 2015 13:37:31
Red my problem is your comments are based on one game, the West hame defeat

Before that Benteke was absolutely fantastic all round

Hold up play
Winning the first ball
Running in behind to which him an continuo linked up well
Chasing and pressing even in the final minutes

He had a game where all the space was restricted because of how deep west ham played. We also had continuo to far away from him, unlike the arsenal game were he played more central.

So I think bob and red you need to understand why I an others will have a problem with what you have said

There are positives all over the place, West hame was a cock up granted but even ed001 I mean ED001 who loathes br said there were positives from the arsenal game. It's going to take abit of time, lovren has to go for sakho (personally would of loved ilori but will settle for mama), once he get the middle 3 right with a good balance and firmino settles in we will be soundo.

{Ed001's Note - I do not loathe anyone, let alone Rodgers. I dislike the way he is destroying the football club I love, but I do not loathe him.}


19.) 03 Sep 2015 14:46:35
But freesp it was a problem in the first three games too tbh. Yes we didn't concede but it was not the free flowing stuff you are trying to make out it was. As far as i could tell plan b was to lump it up to benteke who generally had no one within ten yards of him to knock it down to.

The team needs to mix up playing through the middle with playing wide to stretch opposing teams and yes a bit of long ball play. But at the moment without a bit of magic from our only creative player or shed losds of luck we are devoid of cohesion going forward.

Lots of fans today telling people they should not have an opinion on how the team should play on a banter site. sigh. No one tells you lot to stop being super fans.


20.) 03 Sep 2015 14:50:14
And again it was not a post by rr to criticise benteke but on how as a team we are not playing to his strenghs or players of his type. I swear some people cannot process the english language when they read it.


21.) 03 Sep 2015 14:55:32
Anyway lads, there's more important things happening this month far more important than football. Google bible prophecy September 2015. We all need to get right with God.

Red Rum


22.) 03 Sep 2015 15:06:08
I think the problem might be the presumption there was a plan at all. Really ever since BR came in our signings seem to be made more by dart board rather than meticulously planning out what positions we are weak in, how we want to play, and then getting the best possible candidates in for those positions.


23.) 04 Sep 2015 03:18:31
RDL, I totally agree with you on your point. It is management by trial and error which will only breed incompetence


24.) 04 Sep 2015 03:17:24
I think it is very childish or immature to label someone a BR hater or loather just because you disagree with their views on the manager's job. It just shows your level of intelligence or lack thereof.


 

 

 

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28 May 2015 20:20:12
I like Skrtel, he's never injured and always does his best. I guess I would just like to see us have ball playing centre backs who can hold a high line and communicate with each other. I'd prefer Toure just because of his leadership. If he got a good run with Sakho he could do well for us. He's not too old.

As for Migs, I don't think he's good enough at all. And for those who say he's a good shot stopper, shouldn't all keepers be good shot stoppers, hence their role of keeping the ball out of the net. There's mignolets and Czezsnys, then theirs Cechs and Courtois who are a class above.

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25 May 2015 08:46:48
Cheers for the info Slaphead. It may or may not happen and I don't know if he's good enough or not. Hopefully, we strengthen effectively this time round.

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10 May 2015 11:55:53
Cheers for that insight Ed, I'd love to know who the player was but I understand why you cannot say. I have a sneaky feeling he will be sold this summer.

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05 May 2015 11:00:17
Clyne for me. Probs unlikely now though.

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05 Feb 2015 17:47:03
Can and Hendo are box to box midfielders, Lucas is a defensive midfielder and Allen is [supposed to be] a playmaker.

In my opinion we should sell Allen and replace him with someone who brings more to the table. Someone who can do more than just "recycle possession". Schneiderlin for me, brings defensive qualities and ability on the ball and could either play centre midfield or defensive midfield.

Henderson, Can, Schneiderlin, Lucas and Rossiter would be a sufficient number of players competing for 2 places.

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11 Oct 2019 15:51:52
It's the perfect time for us to play United and Spurs with the way they are at the moment. The good thing is that we have been grinding out wins game after game, and that's exactly what we will need to do again, especially at Old Trafford. I am confident that if they do come at us we will beat them by a ridiculous score line, and if they park the bus we will grind out a win just as we have been doing. I honestly don't see United beating us at all, at worst we will come away with a point, but if we want to be a title winning team we really do need to be picking up maximum points against these mid-table teams.

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19 Jul 2019 13:07:57
Coutinho is not a winger Plain Bread.

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18 Jul 2019 18:55:27
Plain bread, I base my statements on what I see on the pitch. You pull up a bunch of stats and say I'm talking as if it's Fifa?

RedWolf, the logic on here never ceases to amaze me. We had a successful season after Coutinho left so that means he was rubbish anyway - let's disregard all other factors.

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18 Jul 2019 14:44:39
My post has nothing to do with Coutinho returning but rather to do with the fickleness of some fans. Comments like "he didn't win us anything" and "so we didn't improve since he left then? " are ridiculous. How can one player win us silverware? Just look at the lack of quality he had to put up with - and I didn't even mention the defenders. Did we improve because we sold a crap player who hindered our progress through lack of ability, or did we improve because we invested mega money to strengthen in other areas?

Coutinho is one of those players that you need to build a system around. Play him out on the wing and you hinder his ability (as we have seen both at Liverpool and Barcelona), play him as a box to box midfielder (as in Klopp's system) and he'll look lazy. Play him as the attacking midfielder in a 433 with two holding midfielders behind him and three quality forwards ahead of him and watch the little magician work.

Look at Shaqiri. He was outstanding in attacking midfield early on last season, but when Klopp switched back to his 433 (flat midfield), Shaqiri was frozen out of the team. Klopp did not want to play him out wide where he would be less effective, nor did he trust him in a box to box role. Likewise, Coutinho would find himself in the same situation if he returned to Liverpool - which is why a return is very unlikely.

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18 Jul 2019 02:36:24
Just to add substance to my point, here's a post of mine from 2015:

03 Sep 2015 06:52:43
Can someone explain to me why we would buy a target man for a system where we don't threaten from wide? It's quite obvious that we're not going to see Benteke bursting through defences and running onto through balls, which is exactly why Lambert and Balotelli didn't work out for us last season.

Notice how we've played our best football in recent years when we've had forwards who can make penetrating runs. Torres, Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling. And why Carroll, Lambert, and Balotelli didn't work out.

Not only does our system do Benteke a disservice, but also Coutinho and the other attacking players who have no runners to feed through ball to. This is why we were poor last season, and it's exactly the same this season.

Selling Lambert and Balotelli and buying Benteke hasn't solved anything. It's the same problem, just different personnel.

No matter how good a target man we buy, he won't fit in at Liverpool unless we change the system to compliment that player. However, the transfer window is shut, and were left with only Ibe as the natural wide player. I'd suggest Milner, but did he not sign with promises of a central position?

I'll get shot down for this, but I'd drop Benteke (through no fault of his own) and go with Ings up top. At least then Coutinho will have someone running in behind who he can feed his through balls to. I know most will disagree because of how good Benteke is, and how much he cost, but if he's not going to be able to make an impact then why play him. I really don't understand the thought processes behind the majority of transfers over the last few years.

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