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04 Apr 2017 09:04:20
Hi Eds,
I was reading the BBC Gossip page a few days ago and came across a name I haven't seen in a while, Luis Muriel. Do you know whether Liverpool still hold an interest in the player or is this just rehashed gossip from a few years back?
Cheers,
JayJayOkocha.
{Ed002's Note - West Ham, Valencia and Napoli are the sides showing an interest - Liverpool's interest is elsewhere and I have no idea why someone is linking them with interest now or in the past JJO.}
1.) 04 Apr 2017 19:48:36
Cheers Ed002.
{Ed002's Note - Thanks JJ - but from the posts here it seems everyone is linked to LFC.}
2.) 05 Apr 2017 06:03:59
Thankfully no interest from us. When Suarez left, there were some people who wanted him to be the next Suarez even though he was nowhere near his level.
3.) 05 Apr 2017 12:33:38
Would have been better than Balotelli.
03 Jun 2015 11:53:53
Hi Eds,
Has there been any interest from Liverpool in Ben Yedder of Toulouse? He's good on the ball having come through playing futsal and seems to have a decent goal scoring record.
Also has Liverpool shown a recent interest in Luke Garbutt?
Cheers,
JayJayOkocha
{Ed002's Note - No, and not as far as I am aware.}
1.) 03 Jun 2015 12:52:25
Cheers Ed002
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11 Jun 2015 10:39:21
Hi Ed001,
All the posts regarding our Academy has got me thinking of promising past youth players we've had who haven't gone on to play for the club or haven't made it in a top league.
Over the past 10 years we've been quite shy in bringing through youth players so I wanted to ask; in your opinion who has been the most promising/talented youngster in the past 10 years who you were certain (I know nothing is ever certain) would make the grade at the club but failed to (I know the club will more than likely be to blame in most cases)? By youngster I mean a player brought through the academy or purchased and then placed in the youth teams.
I'd like to know what other users think too regarding past youth players!
Also in the last couple of years ex-players (Folwer, Carra, McManaman, etc.) have been asked to name their most 'promising' youth player and all seem to say Rossiter. Is this just a case of him being a local lad with decent talent or is he seen by many as the best of the bunch at the moment?
Cheers,
{Ed001's Note - I would probably have to say Coady is the one who failed. He was outstanding at the younger age levels but just did not get the chance to develop. What he needed was good loan moves early, but he was instead playing for our reserves and youths and gained nothing from it.}
1.) 11 Jun 2015 13:01:45
Thanks Ed001, it looks like Rossiter may follow in Coady's footsteps unless the club gives him chances to improve (either game time with the 1st team or a good loan move).
Given Conor Coady has moved on, is relatively young and getting regular games at Huddersfield Town; do you think we may see him come up to the Premier League at some point (either by transfer or promotion) and become a good Premier League midfielder, albeit not a top one?
There has always been a lot of talk about the next big thing but personally I thought Lauri Dalla Valle might of made it (I think the comparisons to Torres at the time made me believe he was a star in the making). Whether he wasn't good enough or injuries and bad transfer moves hindered his progress, I'm not sure.
Cheers,
{Ed001's Note - he certainly has the potential to make it back to the Prem, but I think it might be too late for him now to do so.
Dalla Valle was never going to make it, his attitude apparently wasn't the best.}
2.) 11 Jun 2015 13:01:57
For the Youth team and the reserves, there was little difference between Coady and his counter part at Man Utd, Pogba, but see where they are now.
3.) 11 Jun 2015 13:24:06
And many will suffer the same fate if we don`t sort it out.
4.) 11 Jun 2015 13:28:29
Has all logic left the world? You can't say that somehow our academy system failed because Pogba is doing better than Coady. Juve signed Pogba because they thought he might be a top player. They were right. They didn't sign Coady because . can you see where I'm going?
5.) 11 Jun 2015 13:43:47
No. You are just rambling. I did not mention the problems with the Youth Academy at LFC; just that when he was younger, and captained the youth teams, there wasn't a big difference to Pogba, who he faced on numerous occasions, and came out looking the better player.
Logic? Maybe you should look that up, man.
6.) 11 Jun 2015 14:09:17
So what is the point you are trying to make by comparing Pogba to Coady? That two different players that, in your view, were a bit the same turned out to be different after all?
Do you think you introduced new insights to the world by suggesting that some promising young players go on to excel and some don't?
7.) 11 Jun 2015 15:07:27
What about Suso ed? I thought he was the one destined to make it with us.
{Ed001's Note - he wasn't from our academy.}
8.) 11 Jun 2015 15:12:21
Pogba went out and played first team football in a competitive league, where he had much to learn and was a proper challenge.
Coady stayed in the reserves / U21s where there is not much, if any he could learn from.
is what i think AG was pointing out.
9.) 11 Jun 2015 15:37:31
Pogba went to play top flight football because he was good enough to do so. He was signed by Juve, not farmed out to learn his trade.
Maybe Coady could have learned and developed by a well thought out loan. But as this wasn't what happened to Pogba the comparison between how the two developed is ludicrous.
10.) 11 Jun 2015 16:52:13
It was an abstract point. I felt it was needed based on your answer, as it seemed like you could do with some enlightenment on how things work in the World.
11.) 11 Jun 2015 17:17:29
In discussion things work by making a logical argument and supporting it by relevant examples.
As you failed miserably to either make a point or to provide a relevant example I would suggest that you are not best placed to enlighten anybody on anything.
12.) 11 Jun 2015 18:24:14
It wasn't a point, just an abstract piece of information, which subjectively can be inferred by other folks who might be interested.
Thanks for the suggestion.
13.) 11 Jun 2015 18:46:00
Craig lindfield? Kristian nemeth? They were all the rage breaking records few years back, not sure where either are now though i'm pretty sure Nemeth was bought from MTK ?
I remember being disappointed Jon ostemobor never amounted to much, and more recently nathan ecclestone.
Was there ever any truth in jack Robinson having a poor attitude?
14.) 11 Jun 2015 17:46:45
I know Nemeth wasn't from our academy but what did you think of him Ed001. He's bounced around a bit but is doing well in MLS I hear. Always struggled with injuries if I remember rightly but I always liked what I saw from him.
{Ed001's Note - I remember him being a bit on the slow side but a good finisher, but that is all I can remember.}
22 Apr 2015 12:00:42
Hi Eds,
Given that Rodgers might be moving on after the season ends, do you know of any potential managers the board have looked at? Does this depend on the changes throughout the club and who/if FSG appoint a DOF? Also who would you like to see appointed? I've researched a few coaches (all quite high profile) and like every manager/coach there are positives and negatives to their tactical approach.
Cheers,
{Ed002's Note - I have explained over and over about the owners looking at the club top-to-bottom and I still don't understand the obsession the fans have with a "DoF". Personally I would move Rodgers on. Obviously Klopp is available but I think it would be very difficult to get him to consider Liverpool. Manchester City are looking for a stop gap for a year until they can target who the want - the manager they approached for tis does not want a one year deal so hey will look to Benitez for a year, although might consider Klopp as they probably know that their long term target wants a move elsewhere. So if Rodgers moves, how would you feel about Villas-Boas?}
1.) 22 Apr 2015 12:15:16
Villas-Boas???!!!! Please, mate, don't ever say that again, please. Rafa Benetiz is the perfect for us in every way. Rafa is the only 'winner' available, if he comes to us of course. Knows the market, is respected and known with a 'winning' CV. WINNING CV!!!!
2.) 22 Apr 2015 12:23:57
If Rodgers stays. It be the same next season as this one.
If you are happy with that, fine.
I am sure there are a number of very able managers, that are available and fit the bill. It may even be someone you haven't heard of, but please. No more young managers with thin CV"s.
3.) 22 Apr 2015 12:24:49
Thanks for your response Ed002. I don't have any obsession with having a DoF, even though I think it would be helpful having a board of relevant people to take the responsibilities of what a DoF would usually do. I'm just not so keen on the half-baked idea of the transfer committee which we currently have.
By no means am I urging for BR to get the sack but from what I can gather it's not totally out of the question. I'm not so keen on the idea of Villas-Boas given his failings at Chelsea and Spurs but to be fair to him, he never got a fair crack of the whip. I don't really remember being particular impressed by his football though. The manager that has impressed me most this season and last is Pochettino, given his tactics and bringing through youth. I know we won't be making a move for Mauricio but someone of this ilk would be my ideal appointment if Rodgers were to leave.
Cheers,
{Ed002's Note - So you want a board of people to do what a "DoF" normally does but you don't want the transfer committee. I am not so sure any of the fans have thought any of this out at all.}
4.) 22 Apr 2015 12:43:50
Don't understand why so many posters are so worried about the next manager and stick by Rodgers like he's the best we can possibly get (only Klopp could possibly do better, or maybe rafa)lol
The fact is Rodgers has failed and will be going and the owners will pick the best possible candidate for the next manager/head coach based on (hopefully) good advice.
If that man needs a DOF we will appoint one, if not then he will be manager.
If that man is Klopp, rafa, klinsman or even villas boas then fine I'm sure we will give him support, if not then it will be any number of manager/head coaches around the world who can currently do a better job than our failed manager.
De boer seems to be the best fit so far, I'm sure he could get a lot more out of our players than Brendan.
5.) 22 Apr 2015 13:07:48
Hi Ed002,
I'm not claiming to have a football industries mba of any sort but I would worry that if a single individual was hired as a DoF they may have conflicting views with the head coach. I'd rather focus on the tactics of a coach and the way a coach integrates players which my original question was regarding. The only reason that I brought up a DoF was due to the changes to the whole of the club which have been hinted by yourself and I assumed this would have an affect on if BR stayed and if he didn't who would be brought in.
Cheers,
{Ed002's Note - I rather doubt you understand what a DoF does. Plenty of successful clubs have a DoF across Europe.}
6.) 22 Apr 2015 13:33:15
Out of interest ED002 why would it be hard for liverpool to convince Klopp? ED001 has said before that Klopp had publicly stated an affinity for Liverpool.
I actually like AVB, I don't think he was given enough time to do anything properly and has already won trophies and managed in EPL. Are you suggesting he is one of the candidates the board would look to?
{Ed002's Note - He has options he knows of and Liverpool have shown no interest.}
7.) 22 Apr 2015 13:59:40
Hi Ed002,
As I have explained before I'm not claiming to know the ins and outs of how a football club is run. If you would like to give me a general overview of how a typical European club (preferably a EPL side who use a European model) run then I'd be more than happy to be enlightened as the only DoF examples that I can think of seem to cause frictions between the coach and the DoF. Maybe this is due to the best DoF keeping out of the spotlight.
Cheers,
{Ed002's Note - Directors of Football are not a "European" only approach - you do know that the UK is part of Europe. You want an example - Chelsea. It works just fine there. Bayern Munich don't appear to be struggling. Real Madrid have been success, Barcelona ....}
8.) 22 Apr 2015 14:01:33
Exactly, Mikey! Many on here think either ONLY Rafa or BR can coach this team and anyone else would not be good enuff. How do these people know that? They don`t and can`t tell you except by regurgitating the same BS as "Rafa brought us trophies" (year, EIGHT years ago)or "BR needs more time" (like 3 yrs and 215m spent is not enuff), blah, blah, blah. Their comments have no basis in fact. the facts are that RAF has had his chance and failed. Currently, he has failed at Napoli and will be let go in the summer. Same w/ BR. He has failed and will mostly likely be sacked as well. So in a nutshell, we are clamouring for two managers who have been found out to be failures currently instead of daring to dream and give a more proven manager than BR (if we can find one like Klopp or even De Boer who is still more experienced and successful than BR at least) a chance. NONSENSE! If people want to wallow in mediocrity then so be it. IMO, i support the owners looking for their man who will work within the structure they are trying to create and both managers are control freaks and proven failures in the transfer market so NO THANKS. As for AVB? The same w/ BR. A failure, a control freak and an inept manager. Nuff said!
9.) 22 Apr 2015 14:33:02
Ed002 there isn't really any need to be condescending. I asked a question and appreciate your answer but in no way was I disrespectful to you when asking to warrant a condescending answer.
I can see that the Chelsea model seems to be working well but I don't think you can compare the likes of Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Barcelona to anyone else in the EPL apart from maybe Man U. I was looking towards a model such as Seville/Dortmund has apart from selling all your top players to domestic rivals.
Cheers,
{Ed002's Note - It is hardly condescending, many English people don't know that the UK is part of Europe. Sevilla has a DoF as have Dortmund and they work no differently than the other clubs - there is no committee doing the work.}
10.) 22 Apr 2015 15:27:51
Thanks Ed002, I'll assume your talking about the Nigel Farage lovers out there.
Back to the football. In the cases of Sevilla and Dortmund, who signs the players (not talking about money, transfer fees or wages)? Does the coach recommend positions that need strengthening/type of player he would like and then the DoF seeks advice from scouts before signing a player or am I wrong and it is done a completely different way?
Cheers,
{Ed002's Note - It is done in the same way as near all clubs with scouts providing an input on players they have identified and players the coaches have asked them to look at. Then there will be manager/coach/chief scout looking and then a decision will be taken to ask the board or whoever to see what can be done. A handful of clubs have coaches who have practically no input.}
11.) 22 Apr 2015 15:37:56
You cannot compare AVB to Rodgers. At Porto he had great success had them playing fantastic football, won the league, and also the cup and Europa League I seem to remember. At Chelsea he struggled but many managers who are top quality have struggled with the Chelsea job and moving to a new league it is difficult. First season at Tottenham I felt as if he did a good job, and then much like Rodgers they spent money on players who were no good, however I remember to people on this site wanting Soldado and Lamela at the time. As for him at Zenit I am unsure how he is doing.
12.) 22 Apr 2015 15:51:25
Thanks Ed002.
Cheers,
17 Feb 2015 14:06:00
Hi Eds,
Do you envision this summer to be quiet one for Liverpool with regards to bringing players in? I understand that we will be looking at a GK, CM and ST but should I assume there won't be drastic changes to the team like last year?
Cheers,
{Ed002's Note - The priority will be as you say.}
1.) Tbh Ed01, I can't see how are we going to bring 3 more players in the summers
The positions mentioned above would cost us close to 60 mill in excess.
Do we have enough sale?
2.) Id have thought the board could cough up 20mil at least.
Sell:
Borini 10-13mil
Luis Alberto 6-7mil
Aspas 5-6mil
Lucas 5-7mil
Lambert 4-5mil
In:
Ings 4mil
That should leave enough for a top DM/CM and a back up keeper.
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has to start balancing the books and start complying with FFP. They are already under investigation.}
3.) Gerrard, Johnson and Toure will be 3 big wages off the books this summer.
We will likely see several other outgoings as well.
Red Rum
4.) I know ed that's why I thought 20mil wouldhave been ok.
So would it only be player sales in the summer ed?
{Ed002's Note - What makes you think that would be OK? Are Liverpool working to different rules than everyone else?}
5.) Just thought 20mil was a small amount in today's terms.
So basically we've no money to spend in the summer.
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have to start balancing the books and selling players to raise money.}
6.) Love those sales figures. £6-7m for Alberto. Have yourself an early night, things will look clearer in the morning
7.) Basically thanks to our involvement in CL and extra TV revenue this calendar year yes can AFFORD to spend 20m net in the summer. That including player departures and wages off the books.
{Ed002's Note - You don't seem to grasp this. He is suggesting the owners contribute more.}
8.) 17 Feb 2015 22:01:34
I wouldn't be thinking Liverpool will be very active in the market this summer. We are horrendously in debt still and in clear breach of the FFP rules. To be frank I predict a major major clear-out and probably only Ings coming in with more use of the younger players. We are literally chin deep in defenders and midfielders and need to get rid and with Ings and Origi, up front is sorted.
9.) Just stating the obvious.
Gerrard, Johnson and Toure will leave at the end of their contracts. Is Enrique also out of contract?
I can see probably Borini and lambert leaving - maybe Balotelli if we are happy with the amount being paid - so Balotelli might not happen.
Wisdom? Illori? - I can only see us keeping one (unless Madrid want manquillio back).
Hopefully the sales will be enough to fund the priorities we need.
Only wildcard is if Sterling doesn't sign and we decide to sell; that being said if I'm honest i'd prefer to have a positive balance on transfer activity given the current situation and possible sanctions etc.
10.) 18 Feb 2015 10:50:13
Can we send Manquillo back at the end of this season without any sort of financial sanctions? I know Atletico could recall him but I wouldn't see why they'd want to do that. I'm hoping Rodgers might realise that Wisdom is a better option for RWB and he could also play RCB. Even with Johnson likely to go we still have Flanagan and the likes of McLaughlin still coming through.
I'd send him back to just save on his weekly wage next season and allow our own youngsters the chance instead. Also at the moment we're not even using any RB's as Rodgers is playing wingers there so we're way overstocked in my opinion.
26 Jan 2015 13:14:21
Hi Eds,
I understand we are unlikely to purchase any players before the transfer window but is there any interest in Leandro Damião (we've had links to him before) or Alexandre Pato (still young and was billed as the next big thing before injuries)?
Cheers,
{Ed002's Note - Not from Liverpool. The club has a large number of strikers already - some would need to leave before others are added. Sturridge will soon be back from injury. Origi will arrive in the summer. Borini, Balotelli, Lambert, Aspas, Yesil. Sterling and Markovic can play anywhere across the front. There are probably some youngsters as well.}
1.) 26 Jan 2015 13:53:12
Thanks Ed.
Do you know of any interest in either of the players from other premier league sides?
Cheers,
{Ed002's Note - Everton are considering Pato who is being offered around - QPR and Sunderland have been offered the player as well - but are not interested.}
2.) We have loads of strikers, but only one really good one, and he's made of glass.
09 Jan 2015 11:57:40
Hi Eds,
I wanted to ask about FSG reviewing the position of the manager and coaching staff. I assume they have surrounded themselves with people with a decent knowledge of football and have sought advice regarding transfer matters, the manager and coaching staff. Any idea who these 'football' people are and the general advice that they have been giving?
Ed002 wrote not that long ago, "There will be some dependency on what happens with the management."
Is it expected that Rodgers will be sacked and replaced at the end of the season or will there be meetings in which Rodgers will be given an ultimatum (e.g. receive help with coaching, take on additional coaches)?
The reason I ask is I fear if we change manager again it will just stall our progression as a team. I understand Rodgers has his faults (every manager does) but he is still a young coach who is learning and developing the team and last year we saw some of the most entertaining football the club has seen in a long long time (Suarez and Sturridge obviously played a massive part).
Finally I wanted to ask about John Achterberg as he arrival coincided with Pepe Reina's downturn in form. I don't solely blame JA for this by the way as I think Pepe's head was already turned but none of the other goalkeepers he has coached have improved (they seemed to have become worse). Are there plans to replace him either by Rodgers (if he is still manager) or the board? I have asked coaches within the game that I know about JA and they don't seem to criticize his coaching which is fine but given our poor success with goalkeepers (transfers could be blamed for this too) whilst he has been here, it makes me wonder.
Apologies for the length of this message but I'd rather not see people sacked (I'm a hypocrite for wanting John Achterberg replaced I know!) and then a raft of new players and coaches brought in and then be in the same situation again in 2-3 years!
Cheers Eds.
{Ed002's Note - I have explained before that I am not going to get in to naming names as it will lead to abuse, but the owners are continuing to work through the entire business and have already made significant changes in certain areas.
As for Rodgers it has been done to death. The expectation was that Liverpool would be challenging for the EPL and the Champions League and vast amounts of money have been spent by the owners to try and achieve that. Much of the money has been spent at the behest of Rodgers who made promises that the club has not come close to achieving.}
1.) Jay jay, I don't know if you have seen JA in the warm ups at Anfield on match days but he can hardly run, it seems he has had an injury in the past, he has a very lopsided run, it makes me wonder how he can coach by demonstrating something he wants a keeper to do as oppose to just telling him, in all the years watching him do warm ups I can't recall seeing him in between the sticks, he just seems to boot the ball to the keeper to practice catches. I know some coaches have never been pro's but JA was a pro goalie, seems a strange to me.
2.) 09 Jan 2015 16:55:35
Cheers for the response Ed, I understand that naming names would only cause trouble. With regards to Rodgers, I can only assume every managers makes unrealistic 'promises' and I still believe he should be given more time.
18and5, I completely agree with you regarding JA at match days. All he does is punt a ball up to the keeper! I don't know whether this is practice for long balls and crosses that will happen during a game but none of our current keepers can deal with a cross which raises the question, what are they doing in training!? The reason I've zoned in on JA is I believe he's got the job because he was a decent keeper (albeit in league 1) but I haven't seen anyone improve under his guidance. Bring back Xavi Valero!
Cheers,
{Ed002's Note - The owners want success and have put the money in to transfers and built enormous debt for the club. Rodgers is not good enough and they are well aware of that.}
3.) That's fair enough Ed.
Do you know if Rodgers is aware his days are numbered (or at least his position is less than secure)? I understand no managers' position is fully secure but he should surely be aware of the ongoing review by FSG? Is it a case of try to do the best he can and hope he does enough to keep his job or wait till they decide to give him the sack so he can get that big pay check.
By the way has FSG's review only come about due to Liverpool's poor showing this season or have they had reservations about Rodgers anyway? If so, why offer him a new contract?
Cheers,
{Ed002's Note - He is aware that the owners have been reviewing the entire business and making changes.}
4.) Great posts, Jay Jay! BTW, are you from Naija?
5.) 10 Jan 2015 11:20:13
Thanks for your responses Ed.
Thanks redohio, I'm not from Nigeria sorry, Augustine was just my favourite player to watch.
Cheers,
6.) He is a god in Nigeria.
04 Apr 2017 19:48:36
Cheers Ed002.
{Ed002's Note - Thanks JJ - but from the posts here it seems everyone is linked to LFC.}
03 Jun 2015 12:52:25
Cheers Ed002
11 Jun 2015 13:01:45
Thanks Ed001, it looks like Rossiter may follow in Coady's footsteps unless the club gives him chances to improve (either game time with the 1st team or a good loan move).
Given Conor Coady has moved on, is relatively young and getting regular games at Huddersfield Town; do you think we may see him come up to the Premier League at some point (either by transfer or promotion) and become a good Premier League midfielder, albeit not a top one?
There has always been a lot of talk about the next big thing but personally I thought Lauri Dalla Valle might of made it (I think the comparisons to Torres at the time made me believe he was a star in the making). Whether he wasn't good enough or injuries and bad transfer moves hindered his progress, I'm not sure.
Cheers,
{Ed001's Note - he certainly has the potential to make it back to the Prem, but I think it might be too late for him now to do so.
Dalla Valle was never going to make it, his attitude apparently wasn't the best.}
22 Apr 2015 15:51:25
Thanks Ed002.
Cheers,
22 Apr 2015 15:27:51
Thanks Ed002, I'll assume your talking about the Nigel Farage lovers out there.
Back to the football. In the cases of Sevilla and Dortmund, who signs the players (not talking about money, transfer fees or wages)? Does the coach recommend positions that need strengthening/type of player he would like and then the DoF seeks advice from scouts before signing a player or am I wrong and it is done a completely different way?
Cheers,
{Ed002's Note - It is done in the same way as near all clubs with scouts providing an input on players they have identified and players the coaches have asked them to look at. Then there will be manager/coach/chief scout looking and then a decision will be taken to ask the board or whoever to see what can be done. A handful of clubs have coaches who have practically no input.}
22 Apr 2015 14:33:02
Ed002 there isn't really any need to be condescending. I asked a question and appreciate your answer but in no way was I disrespectful to you when asking to warrant a condescending answer.
I can see that the Chelsea model seems to be working well but I don't think you can compare the likes of Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Barcelona to anyone else in the EPL apart from maybe Man U. I was looking towards a model such as Seville/Dortmund has apart from selling all your top players to domestic rivals.
Cheers,
{Ed002's Note - It is hardly condescending, many English people don't know that the UK is part of Europe. Sevilla has a DoF as have Dortmund and they work no differently than the other clubs - there is no committee doing the work.}
22 Apr 2015 13:59:40
Hi Ed002,
As I have explained before I'm not claiming to know the ins and outs of how a football club is run. If you would like to give me a general overview of how a typical European club (preferably a EPL side who use a European model) run then I'd be more than happy to be enlightened as the only DoF examples that I can think of seem to cause frictions between the coach and the DoF. Maybe this is due to the best DoF keeping out of the spotlight.
Cheers,
{Ed002's Note - Directors of Football are not a "European" only approach - you do know that the UK is part of Europe. You want an example - Chelsea. It works just fine there. Bayern Munich don't appear to be struggling. Real Madrid have been success, Barcelona ....}