11 Jun 2015 10:39:21
Hi Ed001,

All the posts regarding our Academy has got me thinking of promising past youth players we've had who haven't gone on to play for the club or haven't made it in a top league.

Over the past 10 years we've been quite shy in bringing through youth players so I wanted to ask; in your opinion who has been the most promising/talented youngster in the past 10 years who you were certain (I know nothing is ever certain) would make the grade at the club but failed to (I know the club will more than likely be to blame in most cases)? By youngster I mean a player brought through the academy or purchased and then placed in the youth teams.

I'd like to know what other users think too regarding past youth players!

Also in the last couple of years ex-players (Folwer, Carra, McManaman, etc.) have been asked to name their most 'promising' youth player and all seem to say Rossiter. Is this just a case of him being a local lad with decent talent or is he seen by many as the best of the bunch at the moment?

Cheers,

{Ed001's Note - I would probably have to say Coady is the one who failed. He was outstanding at the younger age levels but just did not get the chance to develop. What he needed was good loan moves early, but he was instead playing for our reserves and youths and gained nothing from it.}

1.) 11 Jun 2015
11 Jun 2015 13:01:45
Thanks Ed001, it looks like Rossiter may follow in Coady's footsteps unless the club gives him chances to improve (either game time with the 1st team or a good loan move).

Given Conor Coady has moved on, is relatively young and getting regular games at Huddersfield Town; do you think we may see him come up to the Premier League at some point (either by transfer or promotion) and become a good Premier League midfielder, albeit not a top one?

There has always been a lot of talk about the next big thing but personally I thought Lauri Dalla Valle might of made it (I think the comparisons to Torres at the time made me believe he was a star in the making). Whether he wasn't good enough or injuries and bad transfer moves hindered his progress, I'm not sure.

Cheers,

{Ed001's Note - he certainly has the potential to make it back to the Prem, but I think it might be too late for him now to do so.

Dalla Valle was never going to make it, his attitude apparently wasn't the best.}

2.) 11 Jun 2015
11 Jun 2015 13:01:57
For the Youth team and the reserves, there was little difference between Coady and his counter part at Man Utd, Pogba, but see where they are now.

3.) 11 Jun 2015
11 Jun 2015 13:24:06
And many will suffer the same fate if we don`t sort it out.

4.) 11 Jun 2015
11 Jun 2015 13:28:29
Has all logic left the world? You can't say that somehow our academy system failed because Pogba is doing better than Coady. Juve signed Pogba because they thought he might be a top player. They were right. They didn't sign Coady because . can you see where I'm going?

5.) 11 Jun 2015
11 Jun 2015 13:43:47
No. You are just rambling. I did not mention the problems with the Youth Academy at LFC; just that when he was younger, and captained the youth teams, there wasn't a big difference to Pogba, who he faced on numerous occasions, and came out looking the better player.

Logic? Maybe you should look that up, man.

6.) 11 Jun 2015
11 Jun 2015 14:09:17
So what is the point you are trying to make by comparing Pogba to Coady? That two different players that, in your view, were a bit the same turned out to be different after all?

Do you think you introduced new insights to the world by suggesting that some promising young players go on to excel and some don't?

7.) 11 Jun 2015
11 Jun 2015 15:07:27
What about Suso ed? I thought he was the one destined to make it with us.

{Ed001's Note - he wasn't from our academy.}

8.) 11 Jun 2015
11 Jun 2015 15:12:21
Pogba went out and played first team football in a competitive league, where he had much to learn and was a proper challenge.

Coady stayed in the reserves / U21s where there is not much, if any he could learn from.

is what i think AG was pointing out.

9.) 11 Jun 2015
11 Jun 2015 15:37:31
Pogba went to play top flight football because he was good enough to do so. He was signed by Juve, not farmed out to learn his trade.

Maybe Coady could have learned and developed by a well thought out loan. But as this wasn't what happened to Pogba the comparison between how the two developed is ludicrous.

10.) 11 Jun 2015
11 Jun 2015 16:52:13
It was an abstract point. I felt it was needed based on your answer, as it seemed like you could do with some enlightenment on how things work in the World.

11.) 11 Jun 2015
11 Jun 2015 17:17:29
In discussion things work by making a logical argument and supporting it by relevant examples.

As you failed miserably to either make a point or to provide a relevant example I would suggest that you are not best placed to enlighten anybody on anything.

12.) 11 Jun 2015
11 Jun 2015 18:24:14
It wasn't a point, just an abstract piece of information, which subjectively can be inferred by other folks who might be interested.

Thanks for the suggestion.

13.) 11 Jun 2015
11 Jun 2015 18:46:00
Craig lindfield? Kristian nemeth? They were all the rage breaking records few years back, not sure where either are now though i'm pretty sure Nemeth was bought from MTK ?

I remember being disappointed Jon ostemobor never amounted to much, and more recently nathan ecclestone.

Was there ever any truth in jack Robinson having a poor attitude?

14.) 11 Jun 2015
11 Jun 2015 17:46:45
I know Nemeth wasn't from our academy but what did you think of him Ed001. He's bounced around a bit but is doing well in MLS I hear. Always struggled with injuries if I remember rightly but I always liked what I saw from him.

{Ed001's Note - I remember him being a bit on the slow side but a good finisher, but that is all I can remember.}