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12 Aug 2023 12:00:55
I've waited patiently and I'm not a patient man ?. Ed, what's your latest intel on Caicedo? Liverpool must remain some form of hope if they have yet to pull out of the deal? Also, if Chelsea up their bid what's stopping us from outbidding then again?
{Ed002's Note - Chelsea have been speaking with Brighton about him to see what can be done. There is nothing stopping Liverpool doing the same or indeed outbidding Chelsea again. The issue is the player wants to move to Chelsea.}
1.) 12 Aug 2023 12:15:05
Ed, I don’t understand why we haven’t walked away from this. I am sure we have moved on from players in the past who didn’t show any desire to join us? Any thoughts on why this is different with MC? My very simple brain is not understanding the rationale behind this.
{Ed002's Note - Because Liverpool still hope to sign Caicedo.}
2.) 12 Aug 2023 12:17:59
We need to walk away from this, seems to have been very poorly thought through. I'm not 'embarrassed' about it like some of those on here - I find it hard to believe we didn't have encouragement from someone involved with the player TBH - but I can't help feeling that we've been used to get a better price for him given that Brighton will now be wanting more than we offered.
3.) 12 Aug 2023 12:36:07
I'm sure Liverpool will walk away when/ if Chelsea bid higher for him. I would think it's logical to wait for that to happen. Today should be telling. Just chillax.
4.) 12 Aug 2023 12:39:53
Why do people keeping saying we didn't have encouragement. I thought liverpool approached reps and they said yes in principle? But final terms were not agreed. Hence we put the bid in.
Not liverpool fault they backtracked upon request by chelsea. Had chelsea said they are out of the fight, then im sure he would have signed for us. Either way, we need a DM so agree with most, we need to move quickly but not sacrifice quality.
5.) 12 Aug 2023 12:58:28
A lot of talk of him being badly advised. Not just from a Liverpool perspective but a Brighton perspective too, not saying it’s true.
6.) 12 Aug 2023 13:04:15
You sound embarrassed Johnny ? and Brighton accepted our bid already so increasing our bid wouldn't be required, it's convincing the player to come to us after he has already decided he wants to go to Chelsea this summer.
I'd gauge it 97% he goes to Chelsea now, 2% stays at Brighton and a 1% chance of Klopp and the team convincing him to join us.
{Ed025's Note - you should not have to convince any player to come to liverpool Sean, it should be the highlight of their career mate..
7.) 12 Aug 2023 13:05:25
Thanks Ed appreciate the input. I for one would not touch him with a barge poll, wrong attitude from him and his team for me. If he did sign inevitable that we would be a stepping stone for 3 years max.
8.) 12 Aug 2023 13:17:28
We definitely had encouragement. 100 percent. The lad changed his mind. Pound signs started ringing! As ed1 says, he's a mercenary. Few weeks ago he wanted Arsenal! Follow the pound signs!
9.) 12 Aug 2023 13:18:18
Chelsea know what the price is. They should stop jerking Brighton around :)
10.) 12 Aug 2023 13:03:20
Thanks for all this info Ed. Much appreciated.
Do we take from your message that Chelsea has now at least matched Liverpool's bid or improved on it?
Personally, I'm moving on and hope Liverpool switch to a more realistic target now.
{Ed002's Note - I did not say that.}
11.) 12 Aug 2023 18:06:14
Sean Ireland, you sound confused. Where did I infer we'd need to up our bid? However it's obvious Brighton will now want more than we offered ergo we've been used to get more money for the player.
12.) 13 Aug 2023 07:26:46
@Johnny, from you finishing with "Brighton will now be wanting more than we offered" - I don't believe we have been used to get more money for the player.
Brighton already accepted our bid. It doesn't matter anymore as Caicedo only wants to go to Chelsea this summer.
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05 Mar 2023 17:56:38
Oh Liverpool, we have a mountain to climb,
To achieve our goal of reaching the top four, one step at a time.
Our season has been challenging, with ups and downs,
But we're determined to turn things around.
Our new players, Nunez and Gakpo, are growing stronger each game,
And we have Salah, who loves to score and bring us fame.
Against Man Utd, he's scored 11 goals in 10 games,
So let's hope he continues his streak and helps us stake our claim.
And then there's Bobby, once the heart of our team,
Leaving at the end of the season, but still a Liverpool dream.
Perhaps he'll score the winning goal, against the enemy so bold,
And add one last chapter to his Liverpool story told.
Our sights are set on the top four,
And with our passion and spirit, we'll fight for more.
We'll show the world what Liverpool can do,
And reach our goals, with our hearts ever true.
So come on Liverpool, let's rise to the challenge ahead,
Let's give it our all, and never show any shred of dread.
For we are Liverpool, the pride of Merseyside,
And with each game we play, we'll keep our spirits high and ride.
1.) 05 Mar 2023 18:38:58
Love it Jurgenator. Today’s match was perfect in every way. I’m absolutely buzzing! If we win our game in hand we go level on points with Spurs and above them on goal difference. We need to take it one game at a time and build from this and we have to beat Bournemouth to make the United result count. We go again on Saturday. Up the Reds!
2.) 05 Mar 2023 18:48:10
A know I often stick up for referees what with being one myself but I thought if you insinuate for a referee to caution a player you should get cautioned yourself .2ndly Fernando's is a disgrace kounate makes minimal contact with Fernando's chest yet he goes down holding his face and then after an appeal for a foul didn't go his way he shoves the linesman how does he get away with.
3.) 05 Mar 2023 18:57:32
Forget fourth place, third spot is firmly on the cards now!
man utds new shirt sponsors for next season will be "Seven-Up".
Erik SEVEN Hag called Martinez the "Butcher of Amsterdam", Jurgen has changed that now to "Butchered at Anfield"!
Bet ye the Geordies were cheering every goal after last week's disappointment!
{Ed014's Note - Mo putting him on his arse was comedy gold mate! ?
4.) 05 Mar 2023 19:00:21
We need to play exactly the same players next week. Not the time for any chopping/ changing. We looked really good today - not that the Sky commentary thought so - and that starting 11 should be buzzing for the next match!
5.) 05 Mar 2023 19:04:25
What a performance and what a result. Makes it even more frustrating how we haven't turned up for so many games this season but it’s all about looking forward now.
Squad should be in absolute dreamland and confidence at an absolute high.
Bournemouth away and then Real and frustratingly another international break. 2 wins going into that sets us up for the home straight of the season with Thiago and Diaz due back also.
We’ve been used to fighting for trophies over the last few seasons but now top 4 is the target. Anything can happen in the CL so let’s see how that plays out.
Great day for LFC fans and gives us the bragging rights over Utd now until both clubs meet again next season.
6.) 05 Mar 2023 19:25:17
Moved the ball quicker great to see so glad I cashed out at 4nil.
7.) 05 Mar 2023 19:28:28
Yep Ed, best moment of the game was Mo turning Martinez into Maguire! No chest pumps today were there?
{Ed014's Note - ??
8.) 05 Mar 2023 19:29:25
Was it 8 shots on target and 7 went in? Can we play like this every week from here onwards?
9.) 05 Mar 2023 19:47:40
Seven. - magnificent ?.
10.) 05 Mar 2023 19:58:38
It was brilliant.
11.) 05 Mar 2023 20:01:01
The butcher was well ROASTED.
12.) 05 Mar 2023 20:18:24
I’m going to start calling my mrs Man Utd. As she also kicks off every 10 minutes.
13.) 05 Mar 2023 20:18:30
We rode our luck a bit until the first goal, then they just capitulated. I mean 6 goals in a second half of football you wouldn’t even expect against a team like Bolton but to rip United to shreds, well that’s just pure magic.
Salah had Shaws head on a spike and putting Martinez on his arse was comedy gold. Kudos to the team, 5 pl games, 4 wins and 1 draw. Let’s keep the momentum going. Well Done.
14.) 05 Mar 2023 20:29:14
Mo Salah song needs another verse, back to the original: oh sit down, oh sit down. Well and truly embarrassed Martinez.
15.) 05 Mar 2023 22:09:21
A word of caution JK. She may not bother with yellows, and decide to show you the red card, and "you're off". ?.
16.) 05 Mar 2023 23:28:05
I’m really glad we didn’t get Fernandes who I believe, the press at least, were saying that we lost out to United when he was available. I’m genuinely surprised he can stand up as he appears to have absolutely no backbone.
17.) 06 Mar 2023 06:52:43
WDW, he's one of two guys I absolutely can't stand. Bernardo Silva being the other. Both are supremely talented, no doubt, but both also routinely make the headlines for the wrong reasons. Shows you how talent, without strength of character, is wasted.
21 Feb 2023 10:39:56
I wanted to share my thoughts on the recent news that FSG has confirmed they are not going to sell Liverpool FC. While some fans may view this as bad news, I believe it's actually good news for the club and its supporters.
Firstly, having stability at the top is crucial for any football club. FSG has a proven track record of bringing success to Liverpool, as evidenced by the club's recent Premier League and Champions League titles. By staying put, they can continue to build upon that success and ensure that Liverpool remains a top club for years to come.
Moreover, Liverpool has always been a club rooted in the working class and the fighting spirit that comes with it. The club's history is about rising up against the odds and achieving success through sheer determination and hard work. That's what the spirit of Shankly is all about, and it's a legacy that we should be proud to uphold.
While it may be tempting to want a wealthy owner or sovereign wealth fund to back the club, I believe that would go against everything that Liverpool stands for. We're not a club that's built on money or entitlement, but rather on a never-say-die attitude and a refusal to give up in the face of adversity.
In conclusion, I'm thrilled that FSG has decided to stay and continue building upon the success they've brought to Liverpool. I believe this is the best outcome for the club and its supporters, and I hope that we can all come together to continue supporting this great club for years to come.
Thank you for taking the time to read my thoughts, and I welcome any responses or feedback from fellow users.
YNWA!
1.) 21 Feb 2023 12:38:58
OP, that was a good post and I fully agree with you on many point there. For me if FSG sold then, fine. Not bothered. However for me, I did NOT want us to be owned by a Nation state, end of discussion. Why? Cos Nation states should NEVER be allowed to own a football club regardless of it's size.
One cannot say or complain that football is and should be for the masses and accessible to everyone in society regardless of class or background while on the other hand, say that a Nation state should own their club. That is as asinine a logic as it gets, IMO. Liverpool is a global football institution and NOT some play thing some regime or country needs to use to launder it's own image (good or bad) on the back of the MASSIVE clout this club has gained through out it's 130 year history. That's not on, for real.
As for FSG staying, it is what it is. We have been successful under them esp. based on where we were when they took over and where we are now after they hired Klopp (with a sceltical John W Henry's eventual blessing) and all the stuff we've won despite being the underdog for the most part. Will they invest substantially as required? They'd better IF they want their asset to keep growing and they have when required. Let's see what happens. Peace and Love.
2.) 21 Feb 2023 12:46:16
You build on success while at the top, we should of been doing that when we won the League, this will be the biggest summer of their reign, if they get it wrong it will be their last, it's a fair comment what the club is about but having Morales will leave us trailing behind, as sad as that is, this is the football, it's money driven, we need constant backing every window, it's a big ask for FSG.
3.) 21 Feb 2023 13:17:44
I’m interested to know, what will people do if FSG still own Liverpool and end up being in position where they can’t compete at all with City, Newcastle, Man Utd, and Chelsea in the transfer market?
FSG have spent more than they receive in transfers by quite a way but no where near to the levels that the above clubs have/ will. £150M for a transfer may soon be the equivalent of £50M now due competition between the mega rich. This would not allow most clubs to compete for the very top players, creating large gaps in quality within the Premier League.
If this does happen and we end up competing with Arsenal and Spurs for 5th, 6th, and 7th what would you do?
4.) 21 Feb 2023 13:22:34
Lancaster Red, it won't be FSG who get it wrong in the summer, it will be Klopp and the transfer committee. And didn't we sell Morales years ago?!
5.) 21 Feb 2023 13:23:55
Lancaster, football lost its morals when it sold its soul to the Premier League and Murdoch got his greedy hands on the game.
6.) 21 Feb 2023 13:40:31
FSG have been here for 13 yrs. I don't see anything changing if they don't sell us then it's over for Klopp I can't see him surviving much especially when thing's have completely fallen and the core is reaching their average career expectancy.
7.) 21 Feb 2023 14:49:19
Spot on, Rome__1977. FSG don't buy players and if they gave Klopp money to spend and he sat on the money for reasons x or why (something we KNOW he does) then how is that FSG's f.
8.) 21 Feb 2023 14:53:40
Sent too soon. How is Klopp's refusal to spend what he has been given their fault? The FSG outers seem unable to answer that each time they are asked which tells me that they cannot and will not answer said questions that put Klopp in a bad light. Shocking, I know.
@Kopforever and if that is the case then, you should hold your hero Klopp responsible for allowing the core to grow so old due to his blind loyalty to his players and his refusal to spend money he is ACTUALLY given to strengthen, something we know he for a fact he does. Can't have the ying without the yang, bro.
9.) 21 Feb 2023 15:07:03
Better the devil you know in this case. We know FSG are not loaded like some club owners in this era, but they saved the club from ceasing to exist and transformed it to a successful club again. Success is relative but the club is an elite club again compared to Roy's reign.
10.) 21 Feb 2023 16:13:23
If FSG still own Liverpool nothing will change for me. I’ll still attend as many games as I can at Anfield like I have done the whole time they’ve been here and long before they bought the club.
11.) 21 Feb 2023 17:00:40
We're does this bs that Klopp had lots of money available, but didn't want to buy anything comes from? If he had the funds available for some of the players he want, he would have bought. What a load of rubbish.
12.) 21 Feb 2023 17:09:40
Is there any stability? I'm still struggling to understand why we have lost two sporting directors, data analysts and most of the medical team. Billy hogan also taken out of his role to focus on the sale of the club which isn't happening. Doesn't seem very stable up top to me. Would love to know the reasoning behind all of this.
13.) 21 Feb 2023 17:52:01
I suspect the vast, vast majority of supporters are with you JK. I think as time went on the grumbles would get less and less and people would just get on with it and accept where we were and enjoy the game for what it it.
I wonder though, is there anyone on here who would feel so let down that they would support a different club instead?
Would anyone be brave enough to admit it anyway?
I know it’s irrelevant, just something I find interesting.
14.) 21 Feb 2023 17:52:29
How has Klopp refused to spend money? Not spending money is not the same as refusing to spend money.
15.) 21 Feb 2023 17:54:25
In response to Kopforever: While it's true that FSG has been in charge of Liverpool for 13 years, it's important to recognise the progress the club has made under their ownership. They have overseen a significant improvement in the team's performance on the pitch, culminating in winning the Premier League, Champions League, and Club World Cup.
Furthermore, it's important to acknowledge that Klopp has repeatedly expressed his confidence in FSG's leadership and the direction they're taking the club. He has spoken highly of the support he's received from the owners and has even signed a contract extension to stay at the club until 2024.
In terms of the "core" of the team reaching their average career expectancy, it's true that some of Liverpool's key players are getting older. However, Klopp and the club have been planning for this eventuality by bringing in younger players and investing in the academy.
Finally, it's important to remember that football is a cyclical sport and every team goes through ups and downs. While Liverpool may be experiencing a difficult period at the moment, it's not uncommon for successful teams to have a dip in form. With Klopp at the helm and FSG's support, there's every reason to be optimistic about the future of the club.
{Ed025's Note - great post jurgenator..
16.) 21 Feb 2023 18:05:20
Oil red I just posted a month back Abt eds old post saying we didn't have money and Klopp had to work with What he had and you're saying Klopp was sitting on money? Seems your posts keep on changing depending where the air is flying lmfao ?.
17.) 21 Feb 2023 18:47:09
You can't build on success when you're not at the top, can you? Unless you are successful but not at the top. How do you define success and being at the top? And why not build when you are the bottom or unsuccessful? Surely you need to build then.
Or is it just another cliché thrown out by fans when things are not going their way?
18.) 21 Feb 2023 19:00:06
Some ed says we have no money. another ed says if klopp wanted some1 he'd get the money. I call bs myself. The only reason I see klopp not spending if we had money available is he is saving it up for Bellingham. I can see a pathetic summer transfer window.
19.) 21 Feb 2023 19:01:31
"If they get it wrong it will be their last. "
So who's going to kick them out then?
20.) 21 Feb 2023 19:04:31
Jurgenator no one is saying FSG are bad owners.
The reality is their policy doesn't work anymore Klopp isn't going to dish them publicly.
Today the landscape of football has completely changed. Players are getting expensive average player starting fee is 80M
You've got the owner mike Gordon himself saying publicly he's worried that we can't compete financially
Hence FSG are finding investors to take the burden of rebuilding coz they can't take the Club forward anymore especially when clubs around us are spending 5 times more then us where does that leave us when we need major rebuilding and transfer market when will compete for the same players? That will just inflate the market more and more
If FSG don't sell I don't see Klopp lasting much no chance neither our prospect of going back challenging for top honors anytime soon.
{Ed025's Note - you know when you say "no one is saying FSG are bad owners"...well there are a hell of a lot saying that actually KF..
21.) 21 Feb 2023 19:22:51
I must respectfully challenge the notion put forth by Kopforever that Liverpool needs to be spending big on players in order to keep up with other teams. While it's true that some teams may be currently investing large sums in player acquisitions, it's important to understand that timing can be a critical factor when it comes to player transfers.
It is not always necessary for a team to spend big in order to obtain top talent. Teams who are currently spending large amounts on players may find themselves unable to maintain that level of investment indefinitely, due to constraints such as Financial Fair Play regulations or a shift in their own financial priorities. Furthermore, the recent inflation of player prices may not be sustainable, and could eventually result in a market correction.
The key to success in the transfer market lies not in spending large sums of money, but rather in having a clear strategy that focuses on identifying undervalued players and developing them to their full potential. Jurgen Klopp has proven to be adept at this approach, having successfully signed players like Andrew Robertson and Sadio Mane, who have proven to be invaluable assets to the Liverpool squad despite their modest transfer fees.
In summary, while it is tempting to assume that spending large sums of money on players is a necessity for competing at the highest level, the reality is much more nuanced. A strategic, patient approach to the transfer market can often yield better results in the long run, as seen with Liverpool's recent successes under Klopp's leadership. As such, I would urge fans to trust in the team's strategy and have confidence in their ability to compete without resorting to excessive spending.
{Ed025's Note - your on fire tonight jurgenator mate..
22.) 21 Feb 2023 22:03:59
Yes ed25 mate he's on fire just like Real Madrid soon the wound is going to get bigger and bigger. ?.
22 Jun 2023 14:48:30
Can we have a thumbs down or sad face emoji for comments like this ?. I'm so impatient and just want to see some movement in the transfer market. I'm too old to play championship manager now (now time on my hands but would still love to play it) so I rely on this site for my dopamine fix with all things transfer related.
02 Jun 2023 19:59:02
How about Liverpool players?
Harry Kewell was a disappointment to me.
{Ed002's Note - Downing was a mistake. Aquila I was ruined by another Liverpool player.
02 Mar 2024 18:26:10
I said before the start of the season he can be as good as Alonso. If he keeps on improving he will most certainly get to that level. He is a class act.
14 Nov 2023 21:52:55
Where is the match report?
10 Nov 2023 15:29:40
Give hime time. He is a class player. I wish people would stop righting players off too early. It was only until recently people were shouting for Jones to be sold. Perhaps Klopps loyalty is what makes players come good in the long run. There will always be exceptions i. e. Kieta, but Klopp has a pretty good track record.
06 Jun 2023 07:32:28
Ed001, who would you be excited about joining us out of the known targets which are being considered? Thanks in advance for your reply. I myself am really excited about Mac alistair. I think he will turn out to be our player of the season. I just think he is exactly what we need to knit everything together.
{Ed001's Note - I haven't really seen enough of the rest, but I would have been excited by Gvardiol and Bellingham. The rest are fine, but it is not exciting in comparison to those two. I do think Mac Allister will do well with us, very well in fact, but it is not a signing to excite like Diaz does or Firmino did.}
21 Feb 2023 19:22:51
I must respectfully challenge the notion put forth by Kopforever that Liverpool needs to be spending big on players in order to keep up with other teams. While it's true that some teams may be currently investing large sums in player acquisitions, it's important to understand that timing can be a critical factor when it comes to player transfers.
It is not always necessary for a team to spend big in order to obtain top talent. Teams who are currently spending large amounts on players may find themselves unable to maintain that level of investment indefinitely, due to constraints such as Financial Fair Play regulations or a shift in their own financial priorities. Furthermore, the recent inflation of player prices may not be sustainable, and could eventually result in a market correction.
The key to success in the transfer market lies not in spending large sums of money, but rather in having a clear strategy that focuses on identifying undervalued players and developing them to their full potential. Jurgen Klopp has proven to be adept at this approach, having successfully signed players like Andrew Robertson and Sadio Mane, who have proven to be invaluable assets to the Liverpool squad despite their modest transfer fees.
In summary, while it is tempting to assume that spending large sums of money on players is a necessity for competing at the highest level, the reality is much more nuanced. A strategic, patient approach to the transfer market can often yield better results in the long run, as seen with Liverpool's recent successes under Klopp's leadership. As such, I would urge fans to trust in the team's strategy and have confidence in their ability to compete without resorting to excessive spending.
{Ed025's Note - your on fire tonight jurgenator mate..