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11 Apr 2023 13:18:13
So disappointed with Robbo at the weekend, he's probably been my favourite player during the Klopp era but he really made a mug of himself.
First of all don't put your hands on anyone then whinge after he's shrugged u off like a little boy. He should have been straight out after the game trying to laugh it off and put the matter to bed, instead of it turning into a witch hunt against the linesman.
1.) 11 Apr 2023 13:38:57
Lino was out of order. Robbo did nothing wrong whatsoever I have no idea what you are whining about. The officials are becoming worse and worse whilst becoming self appointed Gods. Their obnoxious approach to officiating is hilarious considering they can’t actually do the job they are paid to do.
2.) 11 Apr 2023 13:36:18
Sundays game was one of the worst I’ve seen live for players feigning injuries. If players are getting kicked or elbowed in the head and going down like they’ve been shot with an elephant gun then they should be getting removed from the pitch for a HIA for their own safety.
We even had an arsenal player down from heading a ball but was miraculously ok to carry on a few minutes later. If only Boxers and MMA stars had the recovery powers that these footballers had.
3.) 11 Apr 2023 13:54:02
I've changed my opinion on this since Sunday. I was 100% in support of Robbo but, upon reflection, he shouldn't have approached the assistant, I don't know what he was hoping to gain from it. "Obnoxious approach to officiating", do me a favour. Some of their decision making is totally inept, but nothing excuses the disrespect shown by players. Take a leaf out of both codes of rugby and set an example to the youngsters (and elders) that are watching.
4.) 11 Apr 2023 13:49:18
"The lino was out of order"
How about u go down your local pub, grab a guy by the wrist and start talking right in his face and see what happens. But let me guess you're super duper tough and no one would say anything.
This is why football is getting worse, because fans back their own players even when they're in the wrong.
5.) 11 Apr 2023 14:19:08
Didn't look like he grabbed the lino to me at all. Looked like he touched his forearm to get his attention. That's actually pretty polite. You have to understand its very loud in a football stadium so a gentle tap is the least threatening way to get someone's attention.
You see refs touch players on the arm or shoulder all the time and it'soften used as a way to calm a player down. It's just what some people do when talking if they happen to be an expressive person. I wouldn't say a player is then allowed to elbow the ref because he touched him first.
I really am baffled how anyone can blame Robertson for this just because he approached a lino. That's literally the definition of victim blaming. Nothing justifies hitting someone in the face no matter how poor the lino's connection was.
The only thing that might add some context in the lino's favour is if it comes out that Robbo said something xenophobic or threatening to him. But i am 99% sure he's probably just tried to ask him about a decision he'd made. There was nothing remotely aggressive about Robertson's body language or physical actions.
If it does come out Robertson has said something provocative then that at least explains the reaction and should get Robbo a ban too, but it still doesn't excuse physical violence and the lino should 100% get 8 games, the same as Mitrovic.
It'll be a very sad world if we get to a point where touching someone on the arm during conversation is seen as a legitimate excuse for physical violence. A very sad world indeed.
6.) 11 Apr 2023 14:20:55
Robbo is a drama queen let's be honest. When that lad stupidly ran on to the pitch and slipped into him, he started rolling round on the floor like he'd just broken his leg. Was he trying to get him sent off?
7.) 11 Apr 2023 14:22:45
Robbo shouldn't of approached but he hardly did it any different to players during the game.
But the idea that because he approached the linesman need to throw an elbow is wrong. Linesmen messed up it happens. Apologise and move on.
8.) 11 Apr 2023 14:32:01
6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
What we should be talking about is the faking of head injuries. That is disgraceful behaviour. Even worse than the pathetic time wasting.
9.) 11 Apr 2023 14:33:49
MK, I understand how loud it is in a football stadium, I was there. I agree with Jordz, assistant ref should apologise and move on. Like I've said, take a leaf out of rugby and show respect to officials, even though they don't always get it right.
10.) 11 Apr 2023 14:35:49
Genuine question.
Did the lino actually elbow Robbo or raise his arm to shrug him off? and was there any actual contact. Because I can’t say genuinely that is was an actual elvi to the face from watching it back.
Being elbowed in the face hurts and generally tends to leave a mark.
Don’t get me wrong I’m not trying to blame Robbo as he’s one of my favourite players but this habit of every single player making out like they’re hurt when they’re not is getting out of hand.
Similar to there’s a massive difference in someone going head to head with you and being head butted. With the amount of these so called headbutts in football you would swear it’s one of the most violent sports in the world.
11.) 11 Apr 2023 14:53:02
Robbo done little wrong to be honest. At least he didn’t go down rolling around as if shot. That would have put the cat amongst the pigeons. Load of nonsense really. Suck it up and move on.
12.) 11 Apr 2023 15:01:17
MK you can't seriously expect that to warrant and 8 game ban?
I am of the opinion it should be punished a game week or 2 (tops) would suffice. But asking for 8 games is excessive.
In my opinion Robbo touches him for attention, and the lino reacts to shrug them off. There is little in it, but the reason I think it should be punished is he shouldn't react and if that was a player they would likely get sent off. It might be a mountain out of a mole hill, but all we want is some consistency across the board.
One arguement I don't get is the, well if Robbo didn't touch him, the latter doesn't happen. That is literally why reactions happen and how many times have we seen someone sent off for how they react? Nunez being an example earlier in the season.
13.) 11 Apr 2023 15:07:11
The whistle has been blown for half time. The game is on pause, and the ball is dead. Everyone is milling around and players, while on their way to the dressing room, occasionally talk with each other, the refs or coaching staff. It can even be remonstrating or complaining. Happens so regularly that it doesn't even need mentioning.
Now I have no idea, despite watching it several times, if Robbo attempted to grab or touch the linesman in any way, but if he did, a response with an elbow to the face is a bit too much as a "defensive instinctive reaction". Were the two of them in a dark alley somewhere? What part of the linesman's training involves use of elbows with players? Which part of the rules mention use of elbows to the face as a valid response to players? Tierney, gave Robertson a yellow card, and that's very much within the rules in the case of confirmed player misbehaviour. It doesn't excuse use of elbows and kicks and whatever else you can use as a valid response.
It's a dawdling, prehistoric organization, but the fact that the linesman has already been taken off of all future games while the investigation on, tells you that the FA already is taking a serious questioning look at it.
8 game ban for a player shoving the ref? Fine. 8 game ban to a ref. for trying to re-arrange a player's teeth with an elbow? Definitely. And no sweeping under the rug, this time. There are rules, rights and privileges on both sides.
14.) 11 Apr 2023 15:22:25
The linesman shouldn’t have done it and I couldn’t believe what I saw but equally come on robbo have some self respect!
15.) 11 Apr 2023 15:25:29
I agree with fly pelican, arsenal falling about ever time we started to get a bit of momentum. Was so annoying!
16.) 11 Apr 2023 15:36:58
Only Liverpool could have a player elbowed in the face and have people blaming the player for it.
17.) 11 Apr 2023 16:40:44
OP, players have been disrespecting and TOUCHING refs for decades with NO consequences so miss me with that stuff. John Terry used to brag about how they would practice surrounding the refs and bumping him years ago. So did Utd players as well so sorry, give it up.
Also to your point, I got two words for you: Bruno Fernandes. Robbo touched (not grabbed or shoved) a lino (something players do ALL the time) and got swung on with an elbow right in the chops while Bruno blatantly shoved the lino with a slap in the back and and at the same time, we saw Bruno blatantly shove a lino in the back and NOTHING was done BUT now people seem to have ALL types of energy for Robbo who is literally the victim here of a physical assault by an arrogant, muscle-inflated lino and got booked for his troubles by his incompetent boss Tierny. Typical victim-shaming. Sorry, that don't make no sense.
Also, there is neither nor will there EVER be any instance on this earth where it will ever be fine for a match official to swing/ elbow a player just cos he "touched him". If a player touches the official or even cursed his mother, he can go tell the ref to book him or send him off (if Robbo did say something worth getting sent off for), NOT swing at/ elbow him. That's just jungle justice right there which must not be tolerated. There are rules on how to handle such incidents and the lino flouted them, end of story.
I have NEVER seen anything like that before ever. It's so bad that now many online are saying it was fine for the lino to do that cos "Robbo touched him" first. That is asinine and the fact that the FA has put this arrogant lino on desk duty tells you they are NOT playing around here.
18.) 11 Apr 2023 16:56:07
Lads, looked like Robbo touched him on the arm to get his attention and got elbowed in the throat for it
Now whilst I agree u shouldn't manhandle officials, a touch is not exactly a push or a shove is it?
Did that slight touch warrant such a reaction? That is the question - was it a deliberate reaction?
Linesman got it so wrong. Lose his job? Nah, if he'd done real damage maybe, but he didn't
Ridiculous thing to happen, but honestly, was there any intent there? I've seen it a few times, genuinely looks like the linesman is trying to shrug him off, not actually elbow his throat - that's what's actually important for me, the intent
Though how Robbo gets booked for getting elbowed in the throat?
{Ed025's Note - no intent for me either bill. But robbo did act like a bit of a tart I must say. If it was a Glasgow kiss then fair enough but it was no more than a tickle mate..
19.) 11 Apr 2023 17:06:26
Rome, so you know that the players often have to shout then. And thus the least aggressive way to approach someone would be to tap them first instead of just shouting in their ear. Knowing how loud it is in a stadium is not the same as making an effort to understand how it can impact a scenario by the way. However my reply wasn't directed at you though, to be clear. You are a level headed poster and as you said, you gave it a day to think anyway. Got no issue with you holding a different opinion mate as you were sensible with it. I was actually replying to AAR who I've never seen post before and who launched straight into hyperbole which leads me to believe he's not thought about the situation at all.
WYred, I agree 8 games is excessive but they set a precedent when they banned Mitrovic for 8 games. If they don't do equal punishment for officials lashing out at players then in my opinion it sets them back in terms of asking for respect from players. Mitrovic was definitely more threatening and aggressive but he didn't actually hit the ref in the same way the lino hit Robbo. People can talk about the level of contact all they want but the linesman not making a good connection doesn't make it excusable. You don't throw elbows/ punches on a football pitch. Period. Robbo didn't exactly milk the damage that was caused, he looked totally in shock to me rather than trying to feign pain.
There's a reason the lino has been suspended. I really cannot believe people think it's acceptable. It wasn't self defence at all contrary to what I've seen a lot of muppets claiming. Robbo posed no immediate physical threat. Self defence law only applies if you use equal force. For an extreme example, you can't shoot somebody who is trying to punch you, and claim self defence. In the same way you can't swing an elbow at somebody who touched your forearm to get your attention.
20.) 11 Apr 2023 17:13:04
If a ref/ lino is reacting that way just cos he was touched by a player end his wittle fee-fees got hurt then he probably needs go find another job with no physical contact required and be NOWHERE near officiating even a youth game in Sunday League football. That shows that he lacks the coolness under pressure nor the temperament to handle such a job. If you can't stand the heat then, get the football out of the kitchen, comes to mind here.
21.) 11 Apr 2023 17:37:03
A little bit of perspective - what would the outcome be if the roles were reversed? What if the linesman tapped Robbo's arm to get his attention and Robbo responded with an identical elbow?
22.) 11 Apr 2023 17:38:57
To be fair Oli, i get why officials don't want to be touched by players because the Mitrovic situation shows that if you give some players an inch, they will take a yard.
However there is currently no rule against it currently and therefore unless Robertson verbally abused the lino (which nobody other than Robbo and the lino know for sure) there is no evidence Robbo did anything wrong according to the rules. The linesman did however which is why, as you say, he's been suspended during the investigation.
What i would say is I have no issue with them making it a rule to avoid this happening again. Just make it a rule that the only time a player can intentionally touch an official is to shake hands at the start and end of a game. Any other time or form of deliberate contact (not in play collisions of course) is a red card. Bans could range from 1 game to 10 games for first time offenders depending on the level of aggression. Double it for each successive offence. Job done. Equally, an official cannot touch a player or they get banned in the same manner and should be stood down for what's left of the game it happens in. Enshrine it in law if you have a problem with being tapped for your attention. I don't even care if they want to make it a rule where you get yellow carded and sin binned for 10 minutes for verbal abuse of the ref. We have that in my Sunday league and it works fine with nobody really disputing it.
23.) 11 Apr 2023 17:42:15
No problem at all with your post, MK and having a different opinion to myself. Without sounding like I'm blowing smoke, it's one of the first times I've disagreed with what you've posted.
It's one of those incidents where tomorrow I might have changed my mind again! I used to be indecisive, but I'm not so sure anymore.
24.) 11 Apr 2023 17:44:22
Flash, if that happened, then Robbo gets the ban, no questions asked. Elbowing the face of a game official is certainly equal to, if not more, than shoving on the back and getting an 8 game ban.
25.) 11 Apr 2023 17:49:24
Didn't the FA come out and say the 8 game ban wasn't enough and they want more? I think they have shot themselves in the foot there, as if Mitrovic gets his ban increased, they will have to be seen to take sever action against the linesman otherwise they will be accused of not being fair.
I don't personally think the linesman made contact with Robbo, it appeared to me to be more of a 'get off me' reaction. Regardless of that though, officials can't be seen to taking a physical response. He should have told him to step back or risk being booked. But, in my opinion, this all stems from the football authorities not clamping down on player behavior. If players couldn't approach officials like they do, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
{Ed025's Note - spot on stuie mate..
26.) 11 Apr 2023 17:51:16
Anyone who thinks Robertson initiated a reaction like this is seriously an idiot.
{Ed025's Note - a reaction like what??, if he never confronted him there would not be an issue, grow a set will you FFS..
27.) 11 Apr 2023 18:21:37
If as claimed the linesman has tried to elbow Robbo in the face isn’t that assault. I’m surprised we’re happy with an 8 game ban and aren’t pushing for a custodial sentence.
28.) 11 Apr 2023 18:39:29
I stopped reading when I read OliRed had written “Victim” and “Assault”. Jesus Christ, it was nothing. Pathetic.
{Ed025's Note - im with you stand and to be fair quite a few see it for what it is mate.. a nothing incident, mind you some on here seem to have developed Grealish/Kane syndrome and think the linesman should be shot at dawn, but in spite of the snowflakes i hope we can just move on..
29.) 11 Apr 2023 18:49:21
Oh well that's the end of it then, anyone who disagrees is an idiot unfortunately.
Do u not see that most of the comments on here are well thought out and engaging.
I can read what Olired said and totally disagree with it, especially the victim blaming part. That doesn't mean he's wrong or an idiot, people used to be allowed to have a difference of opinion.
{Ed025's Note - well said AAR mate..
30.) 11 Apr 2023 19:04:18
Stuie, I think that’s what this all boils down to, consistency.
I can almost guarantee that someone will be sent off for a similar level of contact to the face in the coming weeks (not saying I agree with that by the way) but there have been examples where players have touched the face or leapt with an arm out and got sent off.
This as an isolated incident warrants an apology and nothing more, but in the world of the premier league, VAR and PGMOL. I think it warrants some punishment and I think they would be daft not to. Even from the PR side of things.
Imagine they say he did nothing wrong and then in a couple of weeks Xhaka as an example goes and does similar and gets sent off. The heat (already high) would be through the roof.
However, if he goes unpunished then I would want that same standard applied to other incidents. As long as that happens I won’t have an issue.
31.) 11 Apr 2023 19:39:34
Here’s one and really interested to hear peoples thoughts.
Do we believe that Xhaka and Trent should have also seen red for their tangle. After all both of them leant in with their heads (Xhaka more) and we’ve seen red cards for that in the past.
Or is a raised arm/ elbow more dangerous than the use of the head.
32.) 11 Apr 2023 19:43:02
The thing is it doesn’t matter if Robbo started it or not.
It also doesn’t matter if the contact was a Tyson esq KO or a feather tickle.
The lino simply can’t react like that. As an official he has to be beyond reproach. They have to be above that petty crap.
I just wish they would introduce a near zero tolerance towards official abuse like you get in rugby. All it takes is them to issue red cards one weekend like confetti and it stops instantly. The FA could solve that problem (at least at the elite level) immediately and yet choose to do nothing.
33.) 11 Apr 2023 20:22:04
Spot on Wassa. FA and PGMOL are weak.
JK23, i personally thought Trent should've seen red, but not Xhaka. Xhaka went nose to nose and it was aggressive from them both but not really violent. There was no headbutt from either side. However just before that square-up Trent did lash out and appear to swing for Xhaka because of his late tackle. He was a lucky boy in my opinion. It was nice to see Trent fired up but I'd like to think he can channel his passion into his game without having a fight first.
These are role models to kids and the grassroots game. All acts of violence and petulance should be a red card. We want it competitive but there is just no needs for the physical attacks we see all the time. The damage caused is irrelevant. It only takes one kid to copy them and connect properly, for a serious injury to occur to a child.
34.) 11 Apr 2023 20:43:44
Mk cheers for the reply mate and I agree. I’m not on the side of blaming Robbo but I also think it’s a bit of a mountain out of a mole hill on the linesman and I imagine he’ll probably never officiate in a game again as he’s not a player and will likely get hung out to dry.
In line with what you said above mate do you think the linesman was aggressive but not really violent or do you believe his arm motion was violent?
35.) 11 Apr 2023 20:54:32
I actually think the lino was violent in a momemt of madness but certainly there was no sustained aggression as he just walked away after. If someone is touching you and you want them off, a natural movement is to pull away from them, not flick your elbow towards their face. In my opinion he knew what he was doing but be wasn't fully committed to actually hurting Robertson. If they hadn't stupidly given Mitrovic 8 games i'd say the lino should only get a 3 or 4 game ban for violent conduct. But they've set a precedent now. They can't give players bigger punishments for mistreating officials than vice versa. Otherwise it just looks like corrupt organisation scratching their own backs and protecting their own.
I hope it's not the end of his career though. That would be a gross over reaction. Mitrovic will still get to play in the Prem again so the lino should just serve his ban and be allowed to return in my opinion.
36.) 11 Apr 2023 22:00:02
Cheers for the reply MK.
37.) 12 Apr 2023 01:46:47
if we are saying that it is robbos fault for touching the lino, then surely its the refs fault when they are talking to players if they toush the player for the ref to get headbutted or elbowed? rediculous, refs touch players all the time, and nothing i saw from robbo was more than a touch. the linesman should not have reacted that way and had it been any player on the pitch would have gotten a straight red. the connection the lino made may have been poor but the intent was the same and that's what should be punished.
18 Apr 2024 14:08:04
No! Salah not u too, you're the king of positivity on here. Don't listen to me I'm just a cynical grump haha.
There is always hope, maybe just a fools hope.
18 Apr 2024 12:22:29
Love the optimism lads but it's done now I'm afraid, the United game was always going to be the one and for whatever reason we blew it. Maybe it's Klopps bizarre choice to go back to slow down Pep ball, or the fact the forwards couldn't finish. Same with the Palace game and that was the final nail.
Still been a very good season with an entire new midfield and to win the cup with the kids shouldn't be scoffed at.
But once again City are too strong, now u could point to the VAR in the Spurs game, not getting pretty blatant penalties against Arsenal or City but lifes too short.
Fingers crossed for a minor miracle tonight in Italy, the team is capable of it but as he's already admitted I'm not sure the manager is anymore.
19 Mar 2024 09:08:37
Good read Ed sounds like clubs are finally going to be brought into line, might even bring players obscene wages down.
But bringing the UK government weather that's a blue one or a red one (not that there's any difference these days) sounds like a recipe for disaster, there's just too much money in football for them to keep their greedy hands off and not corrupt the sport even more.
{Ed001's Note - that could be a problem if they decide to interfere, but then greed has run footie which is why we have a Premier League in the first place. We looked at Scotland's version, and how it was making the clubs richer, rather than their league, and the clubs wanted a piece of that pie. It has always been driven by greed, so if someone else sticks their finger in for a piece, the clubs only have themselves to blame.}
11 Feb 2024 18:11:17
I dunno the ref in the Villa - United game certainly doesn't hate United, some very questionable decisions and they're still drawing as things stand. The manager is a con man and long may he reign.
28 Dec 2023 01:03:17
Even as a kid I had respect for Fergie's Man United, almost jealousy of Wengers Arsenal, Jose's Chelsea were a ruthless winning machine. Ranieri's Foxes became so many peoples second team, even Mancini's City were a hell of a group. But this Guardiola City side are so hollow and empty.
I get that sportswashing is killing football and City with PSG are the forefront of it, which unfortunately has made the Premier League become the French League, this season Liverpool and Arsenal are playing for second place.
Don't get me wrong City have bought some fantastic players and have a top manager, but the help from the refs is getting too much. I've always put it down to sheer incompetence, but the past two seasons are starting to show there are shenanigans going on.