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28 Feb 2015 12:53:54
Does anyone know if Lucas is getting back to fitness yet, maybe pushing for the Burnley game? Same on Sak, don't know how bad his injury was. These 2 are looking more vital to the top 4 challenge as time ticks on

{Ed002's Note - A few weeks.}

1.) 28 Feb 2015 13:12:58
Ok, cheers deuce

2.) 28 Feb 2015 14:03:34
Lucas is currently jogging in South America, or to be more precise, around Gremio's training pitch in Porto Alegre .

3.) 28 Feb 2015 14:12:48
Ed is Sakho couple of wks away aswell

{Ed002's Note - I didn't say a "couple" - Lucas is 3-4 weeks away. Sakho may be available tomorrow.}

25 Feb 2015 13:53:08
Hjikle

Sorry mate, the end of my post didn't seem to make much sense, i should have re-read that!

What i meant to say, using the definition of insanity bit, was that a lot of people think that BR will do exactly the same again. I just don't go along with it because i think that's as much an assumption as me thinking he can get it right. It's all opinions though!

25 Feb 2015 12:15:46
What i'm seeing from reading the posts on here is that there are roughly 2 arguments on here on the manager issue.
The first is that some people are just happy now that the team is playing well due to the changes that have been made and would be okay with BR continuing in the job.

The second one is that BR shouldn't have had to make any changes because the team almost won the title last season after these changes had been implemented and it seemed that he already had the correct style to continue on with and challenge from the beginning this season. The assumption seems to be, if he did it twice before, he will do it again. He'll never learn.

I think it was Einstein(or some other intelligent person)who said that doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result was the definition of insanity. Most people will be familiar with that expression. So after all that. why do some supporters think BR is nuts? Why is it that he cannot make mistakes and learn from them?

1.) 25 Feb 2015 12:21:48
He can learn from them. But history shows thus far that he has not learnt from them, because he keeps repeating identical mistakes over and over. Your own attempt to call people looking for a leadership change works against you mate, because you're calling people who want to keep him insane for expecting that giving him another season, another transfer window, another campaign without someone making sure he's not going back to his old strategy etc and expecting something different to happen when every season has been the same so far!

2.) 25 Feb 2015 12:33:47
I think it is down to a few things. I don't think he's foolish. He knows when something isn't working. His arrogance prevents him from admitting he was wrong though until his job is under threat and he has no choice.

He is actually a good tactician and a good, albeit limited, head coach. He needs to accept help in the coaching from somebody with more defensive nous. Most people want a director of football because there would then be somebody with the power to over rule Rodgers when he makes silly changes to the style of play.

He's not nuts. He is just so hell bent on proving that his philosophy is the future that he sometimes suffers from tunnel vision. This over confidence in himself shows badly in his interviews as well.

If he accepts the help he so obviously requires, I think he could do great. Getting him to accpet that help will be the problem. The owners are not going to give him another year doing exactly what he has been doing though because they have nothing to show for their massive investment. The season starts in August, not January.

3.) 25 Feb 2015 12:35:22
He's done it 3 seasons in a row. Who wants to try for 4?

4.) 25 Feb 2015 12:47:47
To begin with that is not the definition of insanity although for a long time I thought so as well. As far as BR is concerned he has made the same mistakes 3 times so far so it would be safer to assume that he will repeat them rather than learn from them. Would you trust him for a 4th time if he does or doesn't get us top 4?

5.) 25 Feb 2015 13:39:17
Steph, Swishcleaner

I might be accused of ignoring the evidence, but i tend to discount the first season because of the changes that occur with personnel and the upheaval that comes with those changes.(I know the argument would be, why do the changes have to cause such interruption? it's just my opinion)

So then i would say just judge him on the following 2 seasons. I don't think that's enough to say he will never change or learn.

And EMS, you may very well be right that it's an attitude thing, the arrogance to want to prove his way works. Again, i'd say this is something that can change with experience and help. We agree he's not an idiot, so i believe that can happen.

6.) 25 Feb 2015 14:44:40
If we had won that title last season would people still be on Rogers back. Or would there be some slack given to him. Did we not realise when he come to Liverpool that we were getting a very young an inexperienced manager that was bound to have ups and downs. ? For me, conceding 3 goals in 15 minutes to palace and an unfortunate slip was down to the players, not Rogers. we should have had that title in the cabinet. i do get where some of your arguments are coming from towards him. i also understand our expectations. but going from charlie adam and joe cole to Coutinho and Henderson, Andy Carroll to Daniel Sturridge or Spearing to Emre Can. ok we have also had some very bad moves which most clubs could put their hand up for that too. they may not be in the same ordinary financial position as us but were clearly heading in a good direction albeit with some bumps in the road. i understand a new manager is very possible. but unless its Guardiola or Simeone, which is highly unlikely, i would rather stick with Rogers with a possible DoF and keep the little bit of stability we have started to build.

7.) 25 Feb 2015 16:12:13
Yeah Rodgers had skrtl in defence last season so yes I would blame Rodgers same with Johnson in defence.

8.) 25 Feb 2015 23:40:14
I don`t know if he is nuts or not. What we do know is that he is arrogant, stubborn prone to making the same mistakes over and over again and based on recent history, unwilling to change. Those are the facts. Now that FSG ae about to reel him in and hold him accountable for the above-mentioned, he had better have a good response to the tough grilling he would recieve because remenber, because FSG don`t come to Anfield every other week, does NOT mean they are in the dark about everything. They know everything and even more than we do here. Hence if he is unwilling to adhere to the new structure being put in place gradually withing the club, then he should recieve his walking papers ASAP because he is not bigger than LFC and will NOT dictate to the owners (who are his bosses BTW) what goes.

18 Feb 2015 15:43:51
Looking forward to seeing how we get on tomorrow night, maybe this european venture might work out a bit better given the change in style and confidence!

Does anyone know if sterling is ready to go again? And eds. any particular lineup that you'd favour?

1.) 18 Feb 2015 19:45:42
I'd play sturridge and balotelli up top together, and Ibe and Lallana as wingers!

2.) Br won't be changing the way we have been playing recently, not when it is working and I don't see Balotelli and Sturridge playing together unless there is a panic.

3.) 18 Feb 2015 23:35:05
Balotelli is doing well as an impact sub in the last two games, Rodgers might think he's better over 15-20 minutes than 65-90 minutes?!

4.) 19 Feb 2015 06:28:34
Hopefully he plays lovren! Move can up if necessary although would like some fresher legs against Southampton!

16 Feb 2015 13:59:15
Jonnyb- That's pretty much it for me. I haven't posted many times on here but i probably sound like a broken record already!

I think the toughest time for Rodgers might be over provided he is learning, none of us really want the bedding in time for a new manager. Do we? I mean he's not getting any money to spend next summer anyway, so he has to work in a practical way i.e: using the talented youngsters at his disposal.

Anyways, on a lighter note i just saw that film "15 minutes that shook the world". Laughed my arse off!!!
"Ratboy":=D:=D

1.) Ahh the bedding in myth. Like Koeman this season with Southampton? Or Monk with Swansea?

Right manager/head coach etc = instant improvement

If we get in a top young coach like De Boer and place them under a proven DOF I see no way we can possibly do worse than 7th place after two thirds of the season.

I have no idea about availability but Simeone would do well at a club with more resources in a league not dominated by richer clubs.

2.) I don`t want another coach as well provided BR is willing to get the help he needs and focus on coaching. If he refuses then he will need to be shown the door and rightfully so because many of us and the owners have no time for a manager who ONLY knowswhat he is doing after half a season is gone. We need a managr who knows what he is doing the WHOLE season.

3.) Have you ever started a new job, moved to a new school???
The bedding in myth is true of pretty much every change in circumstance in most aspects of life.
Why is it a not true in Football?
You could not pick up everything in your remit at a new job on your first day could you?
It takes time to adapt.
Some adaptations are seamless and some less so.
I do like Simeone though.

4.) Jonny is right EMS. If you want to reel of names, maybe try our old foe Sir Alex! i'd rather they hadnt given him time to 'bed in'

5.) Jonny, BR has been here for three years. If he has not bedded in yet after to his credit, we almost won the PL last year, I don`t know when he will. Gone are the days when managers are giving 7 yrs to get it done. BR was given a 3 yr mandate and he has failed especially this year and regardless of all the excuse, spin and suppositions that people wanna make, he knew what he was getting into and he made the promises 4th place was not one of those pomises) that made them release the funds that the owners did not trust him with to begin with. The owners have given him large sums of money and they want to win the PL because that is who they are and I for one, wanna see us win the PL in my lifetime. Is that too much to ask, Jonny? They have won championships here in the U.S in Baseball w/ the Boston Red Sox, a failed team for over half a century until they bought it and turned it around by spending money or doing moneyball as a strategy so they are willing to do what it takes to win and whenever the manager messed up, he got the chop, period. If BR cannot give them that and is pissing money away like water, wasting half a season for no reason, and refusing to learn from his mistakes and worse, continues to repeat them along w/ all the other BS that I will not mention, WHY should they keep him? Of all the posts you post, you are yet to answer that question with a straight answer because IMO, all you do is make excuses and supositions for him all in the name of positivity. Please I would appreciate it if you could answer that w/ a straight answer that I can logically understand.

6.) A league NOT dominated by the rich??
Man City, Utd and Chelsea for the last 10 yrs+ have been amongst the richest in the world. Where have the titles gone during this time?

7.) Sounds like you needed to get that off your chest redohio!!
The owners you say don't trust him.
Did they not appoint him?
And Baseball is a bad example because they give their coaches time as well.
And I said 5 years not 7.

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28 Feb 2015 13:12:58
Ok, cheers deuce

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25 Feb 2015 13:39:17
Steph, Swishcleaner

I might be accused of ignoring the evidence, but i tend to discount the first season because of the changes that occur with personnel and the upheaval that comes with those changes.(I know the argument would be, why do the changes have to cause such interruption? it's just my opinion)

So then i would say just judge him on the following 2 seasons. I don't think that's enough to say he will never change or learn.

And EMS, you may very well be right that it's an attitude thing, the arrogance to want to prove his way works. Again, i'd say this is something that can change with experience and help. We agree he's not an idiot, so i believe that can happen.

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21 Feb 2015 19:37:28
I'd certainly hope that this doesn't cause much disruption to the squad. Can't see much of a group forming in marios defence either, always seems like he enjoys playing the outsider part. He's never going to play 90 minutes either by the looks of it anyway. Probably banished from the squad for another few weeks!

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EMS - Fairly said. I always enjoy reading your comments because you're clearly pretty knowledgeable about the subject and i don't profess to be. We all just want to see our club do great things.

I'll admit that my posting about keeping our current manager is mostly from a better the devil you know standpoint, but for the life of me i can't see why the next guy that comes along won't be promising the earth to the owners aswell, with no guarantee of producing it. It's a damn nice job to get to be fair.

I just don't want us getting another Hodgson!!!

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Maybe my post wasn't entirely clear there. I suppose my point regarding So'ton was just that they changed manager and lost some key players to ourselves but seemingly improved.

I might be wrong but i would have thought examples like that are rare particularly when a club can't just buy their way to success. I suppose my fear is that we end up needing to be patient for the next couple of seasons when a new guy comes in and needs to weigh things up and find a winning strategy.

And just a quick question to finish for anyone with an opinion, BR is obviously an employee of the club so why can't they simply tell him he must work with a director of football or accept a def. coach? etc. If he wants to walk, then he can!

{Ed002's Note - They can tell him that - they were never going to do it half way through the season. They will not be looking for some half assed approach the fans crave.}