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16 Aug 2016 12:14:24
Hey all,
Just a quick thought, not a new thought. Roughly this time last season many of us were enjoying Danny Ings' tenacious attitude and his desire to work for the team from the front, almost reminding us a little bit of Suarez for tenacity or even the legend Ian Rush in trying to be the first defender by his constant tracking back and trying to win the ball.
Many of were also surprisingly enjoying the displays of a very young player who was filling in at left back and turning out highly impressive displays. I'm typing about Joe Gomez of course.
Now, obviously they both were injured soon into Klopps tenure (first or second training session i believe) . Now i'm not sure how convinced many of us are, but Joe Gomez could be the forgotten man as it were for our left back slot?!
Klopp letting Brad Smith leave and loaning Jon Flanagan out when both could play there was a head scratch moment, as not many if any of us are confident about Moreno being the most experienced left back with James Milner playing in a position he's not totally comfortable doing, although Milner being the consummate professional will play in goal if he's asked, i'm sure.
So, whilst it's great for a manager to have a James Milner who will do a job in any position and give it his best effort without moaning and throwing his toys out of the pram about it. Surely Klopp will be aware that Joe Gomez played 7 games for us there at the beginning of last season and looked like one of the highlights for us.
I remember how refreshing it was to have a left back who actually put defending as his priority and attacking as a secondary to defensive positioning. Maybe we have the perfect balance?! I'd rather Gomez be considered when fit and match ready (hopefully sooner rather than later) and hopefully he can push on where he left off.
1.) 16 Aug 2016 12:31:52
He has started to struggle at the time of his injury. Couldn't use his left foot at all so kept slicing the ball out for goal kicks, also had in inexperience exposed in a few matches too.
2.) 16 Aug 2016 13:39:08
Spot on, agician. Gomez is not a LB. He may be able to cover there for a few games BUT he is no LB. He`s a CB with all the tools and attributes of a CB, none of which are suited to play the LB position log term. He`s too tall and not quick enough on the turn, to play the LB position as he isn`t suited for that. He was already getting found out and the Utd game where we lost 3-1 and where he dived in recklessly on Herrera to give the penalty was when his limitations as a LB started to show, way before his injury.
3.) 16 Aug 2016 13:24:41
Whilst I don't 100% disagree with your comment, I do maybe need to clarify that I didn't type that Joe Gomez was the finished article, personally I expect an 18 year old (at the time) moving up to the Premier League to be given a bit of a hard time here and there (that is called a learning curve) . Also, obviously as a team we were not pulling up any trees and had an overall lacklustre start to the season and the club sacked Rodgers and Klopp came in as his replacement, managers don't usually get sacked when teams are playing well, I'm sure most would agree.
Let's not forget Gomez is a CB, who was used on the left and did really well. He received a fair few rave reviews in his short time playing for us, but then on the flip to that and for fairness, so did Jose Enrique during his first few months with us. So consistency is what we as fans are after, but with someone so young i think as fair minded and thinking fans we must allow these young players some leeway to make mistakes, fail, learn and make the rebound to round their game.
But i also think, like i mentioned (and it's only my opinion after all) that it is worth remembering that we have someone with huge promise and potential who could go on and be a vital team player for years to come, if given the opportunity, game time and quality coaching but obviously he has a big part to play as well. Every time we buy players we are stopping that from happening.
I mentioned yesterday that i'd even be tempted to include Can as a right back and Clyne on the left side of defence to sure up the defence as Moreno is a worry with his non positioning, Germany seem happy to let Can play as a right back here and there.
4.) 16 Aug 2016 15:26:37
Klavan could fill in too at lb.
5.) 16 Aug 2016 15:38:30
Ollie, we already tried playing Can at LB and at CB under BR for the disaster we all know about so no need to revisit that as those who don`t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
6.) 16 Aug 2016 18:01:52
No need to put square pegs in round holes, just go out and find the right left back in the transfer market, there's more than enough time left.
7.) 16 Aug 2016 18:03:10
Cincyred a lot of things under BR were doomed, lovern and firminho looked terrible, under your arguing they both shouldn't be in the team. I'm not advocating playing him there just pointing out that just because it failed under BR doesn't mean a lot as most things did.
8.) 16 Aug 2016 18:05:32
Agreed Cincy and just to clarify, my point is that Gomez is not the right fit at left back for us not that he isn't good enough for us. He has a big future at centre back for us.
15 Aug 2016 14:48:15
Just read this on a thread after catching up on some of our loanee's and how they've been doing and thought i'd share it, it gave me a chuckle.
Nathan Wright • 40 minutes ago
A good friend of mine from University is a Huddersfield Town season ticket holder and goes to all the games. When I asked him how Danny Ward was doing he told me he's their best player with the ball at his feet and could get in to their midfield. They've started calling him 'Danuel Neuer' LoL
Just a mini update, as i had the time being off from work. Not a regular thing, but hope it's of interest to some of you.
Danny Ward on loan at Huddersfield managed to save a penalty against Newcastle but couldn't save the rebound but Huddersfield managed to earn a 2-1 win against Rafa's Newcastle.
Also a big well done to Jack Dunn who scored another and now has got four goals so far this season with Morecambe, after his hero hat trick the other day.
Ryan Kent who was able to create a goal giving a squared pass just outside the edge of the box after he created some space with a jinky run for Barnsley.
Ryan Fulton had an easy day in he sticks for Chesterfield against Lloyd Jones' loanee club Swindown Town, although Jones wasn't fit to travel after hobbling off against QPR in Swindon Town's cup exit on Tuesday.
1.) 16 Aug 2016 05:04:59
Thanks Ollie! Keep them coming.
05 Jun 2016 06:37:19
''Four Liverpool players found themselves on the CIES most valuable player list''
Philippe Coutinho, who was the only Red to break into the top 50 when he wound up at number 27 and valued at £41 million.
Next in line was Emre Can at number 59 and worth £31 million.
Roberto Firmino was close behind, having been numbered at 65 and worth £30m,
Finally Jordon Ibe at number 95, having been valued at £23.7 million.
Obviously all hypothetical but i thought it would be interesting none the less.
1.) 05 Jun 2016 09:04:47
I rate Ibe but he has done nothing so far to justify that guesstimate.
2.) 05 Jun 2016 10:02:07
Let's be honest, the pricing in football is completely out of control. It's embarrassing. I find it best to let the clubs deal with finances and steer well clear of getting obsessed with who cost what and how much we should get for them.
3.) 05 Jun 2016 10:36:27
Fsg will be happy.
4.) 05 Jun 2016 10:59:29
The system is based on age, ability, potential to improve, what league they play in, and contract length.
These systems are never reliable though as the ability and potential criteria are completely subjective. So it is essentially a system to rank the value of players using age, contract length, and where they play. Hence why Wilfried Zaha breaks in at 87th with a £25m value despite being a sprinter conning a living in top flight football.
The whole system can be debunked by that alone. Transfermarkt has more accurate valuations, and that is saying something!
5.) 05 Jun 2016 11:12:16
ibe just needed to be played regulary. what a wasted opportunity not playing him in the league. I think klopp was doing his best to work his magic with the clubs recent investments, with only benteke the one who was not worth the effort.
6.) 05 Jun 2016 11:45:28
It's an econometrics model that I'm sure a lot of work has gone into but it states as well that they bump their prices up by 10% just because they find on average that they are usually 10% under valued. Anyone with a knowledge of econometrics would know that this is a joke off the bat as their algorithm should be altered once they realize that players are coming out undervalued not just throw an extra 10% on for the craic!
7.) 05 Jun 2016 13:04:48
Some values that stood out to me on there:
Martial-£111m
Aguero £96m
Sterling £72m
Delle Ali £75m
Depay £43m
Jordan Ibe was one place higher (more expensive) than Reus.
01 Jun 2016 12:14:20
Just read that Liverpool and Juventus are the ''best'' represented clubs at the Euro's in France. Just thought that would be a bit of a surprise to some.
Do us proud lads. :)
1.) 01 Jun 2016 17:28:09
We always seem to have the most players at the major tournaments.
But then again we always have a lot of English internationals and a hell of a lot of players full stop.
2.) 01 Jun 2016 17:34:48
Still pretty good going though, baring in mind that Lovren should be in the Croatia squad only for a fall out, Sakho would have been in the french squad but for his failed drug test, and the majority of the rest of our squad are not from Europe.
06 Jun 2016 11:11:49
A lot of Liverpool fans are actually a little bit miffed that Wisdom never truly got his chance. Managerial changes and failed loan spells have derailed the lads progress.
I think he'd be a good player for your club north of the border, if given the chance to play regularly and settle into a healthy environment. He was always thought of as a CB until he started playing RB. I'd still like to see the lad given a chance at CB but maybe there are reasons for his conversion?!
He's a worker, he's not going to be the best player but he's no nonsense and grafts. I really hope the lad does well if he moves to Celtic. Just my opinion on the Wisdom.
02 Jun 2016 11:31:52
Can't tell if Mor is going to be one of the best players in the world, or if it's the opposition he faces.
Some of his runs and skills look so dynamic and blistering, but he might just be a man playing against boys sort of thing.
Looks extremely promising for an 18 year old. Jinky, jolty and just a pure footballing talent. Might need to make that earlier pass a bit more, but wow, seriously. Looks the business.
20 Aug 2016 15:03:52
Couldn't have started better. Grrr. One day we will do things the easy way, one day.
20 Aug 2016 00:04:36
I think it's more his agent not keeping his client informed of the progressing situation.
Allen knew he wasn't first choice, he must have known he was up for sale, especially after being so good in the Euro's. I just find it a bit rich coming from him that he wasn't given a step by step update on the situation. Sky Sports reported that Stoke were bidding and the next few days he was gone.
But then Allen seemed like a stand up chap and always seemed to carry himself professionally, so i'm not going to moan about him, more so i'm surprised by his naivety around his sale to another club (which i believe he had to agree to) . But then that being typed, i do need to point out that i'm not up on how the finer points of transfers work.
17 Aug 2016 13:49:30
Apparently it was 80% games played, 20 goals scored and a Champions League place. Not sure of if it was true or not, or the percentage breakdown. But that was what i remember reading in an article.
16 Aug 2016 13:24:41
Whilst I don't 100% disagree with your comment, I do maybe need to clarify that I didn't type that Joe Gomez was the finished article, personally I expect an 18 year old (at the time) moving up to the Premier League to be given a bit of a hard time here and there (that is called a learning curve) . Also, obviously as a team we were not pulling up any trees and had an overall lacklustre start to the season and the club sacked Rodgers and Klopp came in as his replacement, managers don't usually get sacked when teams are playing well, I'm sure most would agree.
Let's not forget Gomez is a CB, who was used on the left and did really well. He received a fair few rave reviews in his short time playing for us, but then on the flip to that and for fairness, so did Jose Enrique during his first few months with us. So consistency is what we as fans are after, but with someone so young i think as fair minded and thinking fans we must allow these young players some leeway to make mistakes, fail, learn and make the rebound to round their game.
But i also think, like i mentioned (and it's only my opinion after all) that it is worth remembering that we have someone with huge promise and potential who could go on and be a vital team player for years to come, if given the opportunity, game time and quality coaching but obviously he has a big part to play as well. Every time we buy players we are stopping that from happening.
I mentioned yesterday that i'd even be tempted to include Can as a right back and Clyne on the left side of defence to sure up the defence as Moreno is a worry with his non positioning, Germany seem happy to let Can play as a right back here and there.
15 Aug 2016 14:57:40
While Moreno is a liability, as long as the manager keeps putting him out there, i'm supporting him and hoping he manages to turn his game around for the sake of the club.
As much as i know it's a lost cause. His positioning game is off whack, he doesn't have the mentality a defender needs it seems and that his basics of defending just aren't there which is worrying, we simply don't have anyone else to do a job for us, although i'd be so tempted to put Can at right back and Clyne at left back and see how that goes, if Moreno keeps up with his erratic tackles, positioning and clearances.
I've not been reading too many people moaning and slating Nacho Monreal's performance yesterday though. I thought he got ruined by Clyne and Mane.