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29 Dec 2016 10:14:19
Hey eds. just wanting to know if im correct in thinking Sakho, Lucas and Ilori will be the only players to move on this coming transfer period.?

Smurf

{Ed001's Note - that is likely to be the case, though Michael Beale wanted Ilori to get a shot and was effusive in his praise of the lad before he left.}


1.) 29 Dec 2016 13:10:20
That is a shame!

Although I know he is not going to be "our saviour" I feel for the lad.

Are we assuming Gomez is going to be the 4th being used in the FA cup?

{Ed001's Note - if he is up to fitness by then. He is still feeling his way back.}


 

 

 

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30 Aug 2017 09:08:35
Eds n Reds, I feel like we are at a point where we have to choose between either Henderson or Emre. My reasoning is i don't see Emre as a permanent CM in our midfield looking at how our team is evolving. obviously Coutinho was going to be alongside Keita infront of Henderson in an ideal world. That hasn't happened this year so there will be opportunities this season, but i feel like Emre sees things this way and is reluctant to sign because of it. i actually think its fair enough on his behalf, at only 23 he's at a level where a team like Juventus are willing to give him the assurances he might be after rather than playing as, in my mind Hendersons back up. personally i would be making the call to make Emre our CDM. that tho is very easy for ME to say, but i think from a managers point of view it would be really diffucult to make that call, on the Captain of a team that apear from the outside to be very close knit and are right now playing good football together. Henderson is also a top professional and i think a good leader. But is that enough if someone is proving to be the better option.? And when is the right time to make that sort of call.? Especially in Emre's case who is willing to run his contract down and move on. Thoughts.?

Smurf

1.) 30 Aug 2017 09:37:39
Can likes to drive forward with the ball. So when deploying him to any role you have to consider this attribute.


2.) 30 Aug 2017 09:39:33
Why would you waste can as a defensive mid?


3.) 30 Aug 2017 09:50:19
It's a good point made, I think everyone here knows what Hendo brings, but the way we could line up in midfield next year, it would be great to secure Can . He has improved so much and influences games much more .
If it was one or the other ide prefer we had Can, . Klopp has shown he can be ruthless, which is no bad thing .


4.) 30 Aug 2017 09:51:40
There is a justifiable debate about who's the better player between Hendo and Can, there are certainly things Can does better than Hendo but there are a lot of people, and it seems Klopp is one of them, who see Hendo as the more effective player.

Hendo brings discipline and control to the team, something equally important to flair and creativity. He's also our only player who has that quality. Can has a lot of talent but would I put him in team if I had Hendo, Coutinho and Keita (assuming he's as good as we're told he is) available? No I wouldn't.


5.) 30 Aug 2017 10:07:44
The beauty of playing both of them is when one goes forward the other sits and knows the position, If Emre is having no luck then he switches with Henderson it happened against arsenal all the time when Hendo pressed hard Can dropped in and stayed to cover while Hendo did the leg work I do think with both on top form with the addition of Gigi or whoever it will be very difficult for any team to beat them.


6.) 30 Aug 2017 10:34:08
Can scores goals which is vital when you play two B2B players as well Wiji. Henderson simply doesn't!


7.) 30 Aug 2017 10:55:35
Harry, Can wouldn't be scoring those goals if he was playing in Hendo's position.


 

 

24 Aug 2017 13:23:40
Eds n reds. im after some opinons. referring to Mignolet and maybe positions in general, how many games should you give before dropping a player.? Is 4 not good but not bad games enough.? I think probably yes considering the other 2 young options both need their chance as otherwise why keep 3 decent keepers. Having said that, if it was 1 of Ward or Karius that had played the exact same 4 games i would be more willing to give more time then with mignolet. thoughts.?

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1.) 24 Aug 2017 14:00:04
We have 3 keepers and Klopp thinks Migs is the best at the moment. End of.


2.) 24 Aug 2017 14:00:36
I think 4 games is enough for mugs because he's had almost 4 years to cement that place and every time we see improvement he then regresses. I think we need to make a call and give one of the other 2 a sustained run in the team and stick by them regardless of errors ( at least for a while)


3.) 24 Aug 2017 14:01:08
Migs has had more than enough time, let's not forget he was a premier league keeper before we got him so should've been of a certain quality from the off. the other time i'm more inclined to give more leeway. Karius new league etc. Ward first season in the prem.


4.) 24 Aug 2017 14:05:07
I would give him (mig) a run of at least 10 games but having said that he's had 3 seasons and barring an ok stint toward the end of last year he has never convinced so personally think ward deserves a chance but possibly will get it in efl cup and see how that goes then maybe a run of games for him. Kauris deserves a go but behind our defence as it is I think most keepers would struggle.

We play very high and that works in other less competitive leagues where the same couple of teams win every game but pl is higher tempo every game as pep is also finding and a balance has to be found. This is imo the reason for conte and morhino success in our league as they sort defending out first and let the flair players do there thing at the other end but neither is so committed to a style to just say let's grind a result out in any specific game!


5.) 24 Aug 2017 14:24:23
Wait until we lose.


6.) 24 Aug 2017 14:30:26
I would play Karius in a few cup games and if does well then rotate him in. Then play Ward in cup games and if he does well sell Migs.


7.) 24 Aug 2017 14:35:01
Looks like we might be bringing in a new centre back and maybe a defensive midfielder, also we have a new left back and TAA is new to the right back position, so I would wait a little bit longer and until the defence is settled in before making a decision either way, I think it would be suicide to play karius again right now with how unpredictable our defence is, it would be like putting him right back into the firing line.


8.) 24 Aug 2017 15:09:12
The only cup games (unless you mean CL as well) up until Xmas is the league cup and then that's only 1 game a month and that's if we win them.


9.) 24 Aug 2017 15:41:24
This was covered pretty well by ed001 yesterday. Migs form has not been good this season, and this has been made more unacceptable by the fact he has shown that he can perform to the required standard in the latter parts of last season, and let those standards slip. I would give Ward a chance as Karius has not managed to either impress when called upon or displace Migs.


10.) 24 Aug 2017 15:43:00
Karius should be given the chance, MIGs is a good shot stopper but he is unreliable under high balls etc. That attempted punch and then catch last night is a perfect example of that and it spreads fear through the team.


 

 

14 Aug 2017 02:10:31
Hey eds n red. i think i would like see Henderson and Emre swap positions. i feel like it would best suit both of them. Emre is going to be a much more solid CDM in the long term compared to Henderson, and i feel like Henderson has more goals, creativity and pressing in his skillset then Emre in that higher CM position. before the Watford game i did think that with no Lallana and Coutinho and with 5 first team strikers, the natural thing to do would have been to have Firmino move back to midfield to play that pressing creative midfielder, and go with Origi or Solanke as striker. after the team selection it pretty much made my mind up that Klopp only see's Firmino as a front 3 player which is disappointing as i think he could flourish there. what are the eds and reds thoughts on this.? Would you like to see a midfield set up with Emre holding and Henderson and Firmino ahead of him or do you have a different idea that could help us.? Hope all is well.

Smurf

{Ed001's Note - I would prefer to see them as an old fashioned central midfield pair who share the responsibilities amongst themselves. Why can't they do both?}


1.) 14 Aug 2017 09:49:38
Ed, that is the exact setup we had in the first half vs Bayern and they were quite complimentary as one woul go, the other would drop and vice versa, with Cou behind the striker firmino. I think this was Klopp's midfield 3 going into the season until Cou's crap happen.

OP, I don't know if Bobbie will be good in the no. 10 role behind the striker as he may have great vision and awareness but not the type required to play the no. 10 position as decision-making is critical when you play there.


2.) 14 Aug 2017 10:15:17
They can't do both because they can't do both. I've always argued that hendo should be freed to play higher up the pitch. Him and can protected by Lucas was my pick for the midfield when Stevie G was hanging around weighing the team down in his last year. both are youn, heading towards their prime. They should be let loose!


 

 

06 Aug 2017 02:33:34
Hey eds n reds. as long as we keep our best players and only sell off the fringe players e. g Sakho, Markovic etc i am happy enough going into this season. my reasoning is because in my eyes we have definately strengthened (maybe not as much as we might have expected or wanted) forward, midfield and defense. we have added Solanke, who looks to be a player we could comfortably put in starting line up if needed. obviously Salah was much needed addition as 1 out n out winger was clearly not enough last season let alone going into this season with european games. also a pleasant surprise this pre season has been Ryan Kent who by the recent comments of Klopp, sounds like has nailed on a spot in our first team. so we have 3 first team out n out wingers going into this season as opposed to 1 last season. our midfield has strengthened in a big way with Coutinho being able to play there now that we have addressed the winger situation. also you can add the addition of Milner to midfield now that we not only have added Robertson who has looked a tidy player, but Moreno looks to have improved enough to put himself back in the first team picture which in turn has left us with 2 real left footed left backs that can add width and rotate. right now it looks like Gomez is going to be taking the spot as 3rd or 4th choice CB and RB. i am comfortable with this although i would personaly like to see VVD come in and Klavan move on to make CB that little bit stronger. as it stands tho i am happy enough. TAA has pushed on and looks to be close enough to 1st choice RB even if Clyne was fit. i am more then happy to go with these 2 as our rotating right backs. Flanagan is there if he stays as cover and if he moves on then Gomez can fill in. keeper hasn't changed but i hope that 1 of Ward or Karius can push on another level and really nail the number 1 spot, and if not then Mignolet picks up where he left off last season. in an ideal world things may hav been a bit different with a couple more big additions but its a matter of only adding the right players that will improve the first yeam. and if we can't get them so be it, we grow our youngsters till we can get those players in. this is the right way to go about things in a football sense and a business sense also. there may be a twist or turn to go still in the transfer market but as things stand im happy enough with the way we are building. hope all is well eds n reds.

Smurf

1.) 06 Aug 2017 07:31:56
Brilliant post and well thought-out, OP. Bravo, sir.


2.) 06 Aug 2017 08:11:21
I agree with what you are saying about Ryan Kent, he looks to have physically matured too. He skinned the Bayern Munich left back alive for the Grujic goal that was disallowed, he did it in Hong Kong too, I can't remember if it was against Leicester or Palace, but looks very confident on the ball and seems confident wit both feet too, he was putting corners in with his left and right in Dublin

The only thing I would say about our wingers is that Mane doesn't look too comfortable with his left foot on the left wing (against Bayern) and looks better going past defenders with his right, on the right wing. A real minor quibble by all accounts and it was probably more experimental by Klopp I would assume.

I would like to see another CB come in though to partner Matip and challenge Lovren. I will admit, I only watched Southampton maybe 3 or 4 times last season for a full 90 minutes and I don't think VVD is the answer at all, I would prefer to see Gomez challenge Lovren for that spot that blow £70M on VVD which is just absurd.

But all in all, I think we can match anybody on our day with the squad we have, we just need the consistency and the focus every week, and maybe that will come now our youngsters are a year older and a year more experienced and they have the first team looking over there shoulders.

Personally I am really looking forward to the season kick off and watching it unfold.

Regards.


3.) 06 Aug 2017 09:18:37
Kent has the talent but he needs to learn when to release the ball and when to beat a man and maybe work on his strength a bit, but I would like to see him get some games, I thought Gomez looked pretty good at cb yesterday apart from one pass and flanno, looked pretty solid at right back, so it could be him and clyne for rb and Trent moved further up the pitch, grujic has also looked good in preseason and Solanke is really impressive.


4.) 06 Aug 2017 09:57:25
I have watched kent for yrs in the Academy and have always raved about him. I think he sometimes tries to do too much, like the best player in the playground.
If Klopp navigate him then he will be fine.


5.) 06 Aug 2017 14:01:27
Great post smurf.

If we keep Coutinho then Salah has the double whammy of adding an out and out winger but also allowing Coutinho to drop back and strengthen midfield. Best recruit of the summer by far (and although young Solanke looking good too) . So long as Sturridge and Hendo can stay fit then we're more than OK upfront and in centre midfield IMO.

Defense is still an issue though. At FB agree Robertson looks decent and Milner can always still play there if he struggles to settle, while TAA challenging Clyne is OK for me.

I'm really not OK with Milner playing centre midfield though. I don't think he adds anything at all there. Where I could see him is RM in a 4-2-3-1.he's got good delivery from wide right IMO, and with a decent CF I can see him being effective playing balls into the box and acting as a backup there to Mane or Salah if required.

Still not happy with CB personally, and although Gomez has played well in preseason so I hope he gets regular games, I just wouldn't want to throw him into the CL if Matip or Lovren gets injured.

I'd like to see 1 or 2 more strengthening the squad, but if we don't have anyone that we're able to bring in now that's an obvious improvement, then agree I'm happy starting the season as is. At least we haven't lost anyone that was a natural first team starter last year (yet! ), and we played very very well at times when most of the squad was fit. another year under the belt and adding Salah and we should be even better this season.


6.) 06 Aug 2017 17:20:06
What's this? A positive post? BURN HIM! :) Great post mate.


 

 

27 Jul 2017 10:56:21
Surely 1 or 2 of Sturridge, Origi and Ings must be on the move this window.? 5 strikers plus young Brewster seems a bit much doesn't it.?

Smurf

1.) 27 Jul 2017 11:06:16
Ings and Solanke will not touch it this season i predict.


2.) 27 Jul 2017 11:06:44
Brewster isn't ready for the first team so needn't be considered. Ings may well go on loan leaving Firmino, Origi and studied for the first team with Solanke as backup from the u-23s.


3.) 27 Jul 2017 11:12:36
Exactly Putney and knowing Sturridge he can not be accounted on as a key player, a luxury player who plays when fully fit and in form.


4.) 27 Jul 2017 11:12:46
Id like to see Ings and Origi go on Loan. Ings has had a long lay off he will need games to get back to himself, year back at Burnley maybe. Origi needs to find some consistency and that will only come from playing week in week out, If he spent a year out on loan at a Premier league Club I think he could come back a new player and ready to become first choice. don't need that many strikers especially when we have Mane and Salah who can cover there.


5.) 27 Jul 2017 11:47:34
Cy, Origi to go on loan for what? He's already been on loan at Lille and has shown when on form, that he can hack it at LFC. Klopp is experimenting in this preseason with playing 3 strikers in an interchangeable front 3 which is an option to always have as either of them bar maybe Solanke, can play wide. If we have too many strikers then Klopp is the guy to refer your question to.


6.) 27 Jul 2017 11:49:46
If Coutinho drops deeper into midfield or, God forbid, leaves for Barca, that leaves us with Mane and Salah as natural first team wide men, and then three proven strikers in Firmino, Sturridge, Origi.

Behind them we have Ings (yet to prove fitness) and Solanke as strikers, and Woodburn as winger/ midfielder in Coutinho's mould.

Don't think we can afford to sell or loan anyone, and if anything my concern is if Coutinho leaves are we left a bit short of experienced wingers, forcing Firmino to play wide again?


7.) 27 Jul 2017 11:57:13
Everyone is quick to say this and that youngster is not ready for the first team. Could you please explain tome then when a player is ready?


8.) 27 Jul 2017 11:50:07
I will put Firmino, Stirridge then Solanke in that order.


9.) 27 Jul 2017 13:19:55
Billy Big Balls. When the manager, who sees him day in day out informs the first team manager that he thinks he is ready to train with the first team. Then it is up to the player to show he is ready.


10.) 27 Jul 2017 14:27:38
What a load of tosh. Managers are always getting recommendations regarding youngsters being ready. The problem is that the managers dare not as this is now a results driven game and they're too scared of the sack if the youngsters don't perform and results go against them.


 

 

 

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27 Aug 2017 11:21:19
Fair enough ed. if that's the case it would need to be an old bloke like Manninger that isn't going to be ahead of either Karius or Ward in the pecking order.

Smurf

{Ed002's Note - Sure, Manchester City has Bravo, Spurs Vorm, Bournemouth Boruc, Southampton Taylor, Chelsea Eduado etc.. It is a system that works well for most clubs as they can share experience and help out the younger keepers at the club and at least one side always supports them in getting their coaching badges and have them work with the youth sides. I understand reading some of the replies that many of the Grunts don't realise or understand such things. For me the issue Liverpool has is with the third choice Ward. He should have been loaned back to Huddersfield (who wanted him) and he would be getting some fantastic experience at the highest level and Liverpool could have gone and got another Manninger. For me, they could have let Ward have his loan and recruited an out of contract home grown goalkeeper like Ross Turnbull and have been in great shape.}


 

 

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27 Aug 2017 11:07:25
2 decent keepers is plenty. how often does a 3rd choice keeper make the bench, let alone actually play.

Smurf

{Ed002's Note - You will find all Premier League clubs have three decent goalkeepes in their squad. Klopp has set his stall out with his goalkeepers (perhaps keeping quiet about the whole subject would have been advisable, but he didn't). If Mignolet were to be sold, and I know nothing at all of this "offer" from Napoli that is being suggested, Liverpool need another goalkeeper - whether you think all they need is two or not.}


 

 

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26 Aug 2017 10:36:46
Is it 1 of Van Dijk, Koulibaly or Howedes.?

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01 Aug 2017 23:08:28
U obviously didn't understand wat im saying mate. its not about the players wanting to join us cos all of them have been willing to. its other reasons why the others haven't joined.

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01 Aug 2017 08:23:04
Jayden how hasn't it backed that up.? Salah, Van Dijk, Keita are all in that top bracket of players and want to or are playing for us. its other reasons we haven't got them all. i think macca said even Mendy was willing to come to us. the clubs dealings is the major issue this window and other bad past dealings effecting our chance of getting Sessegnon from Fulham, not the players themselves wanting to play for us.

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24 Aug 2017 11:45:05
Firmino will because he will be our penalty taker and rack up an extra 10 this season.

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10 Aug 2017 08:10:48
So Ed002 are you saying that Barcelona will move on and buy their 3rd choice Iniesta replacement this summer instead of waiting for Veratti or Coutinho next season.?

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{Ed002's Note - I don't know what their plan is right now but they had some other options thay had been considering, but they would certainly prefer Verratti or Pipco.}


 

 

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05 Aug 2017 02:30:42
Kane, Costa and Ibraloveshimself don't have an abundance of pace but are still pretty handy strikers.

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05 Aug 2017 02:28:11
Agree about keeping Kent but disagree about being thin up front. Firmino can easily play the role Lallana or Coutinho plays in midfield and we have Sturridge, Origi, Solanke and Ings waiting for a chance to play striker.

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27 Jul 2017 10:49:09
D. use Firmino as the 10 and use Sturridge Origi Ings and Solanke as our strikers.

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