17 Feb 2016 13:59:11
Interested in the opinions from everyone including the eds on who you'd think was the best manager of all time?
I know a lot would say Paisley but because he was before my time I can't really comment.
I hate to say it but in my time I've got to say Fergie has been the best manager over the years, how he could make an average side seem world class was unbelievable.
Really interested how fellow Liverpool fans would compare Paisley and Fergie.

{Ed001's Note - Paisley is head and shoulders above everyone. Fergie was not even close and was shown up time and time again in Europe.}

1.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 14:34:23
Paisley without question.

2.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 14:36:11
Paisley, Hands Down! 20 trophies in 9 years, including 3 CL titles. Nuff said! It took Fergie 20 years to win that amount.

3.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 15:00:01
Sir bob all day long!

4.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 15:06:52
To be fair though, Fergie built that team and to an extent that club by himself. Paisley inherited a very good team. Just trying to add a bit of unbiased balance.

{Ed001's Note - Paisley rebuilt the team, more than once. He also did it on a budget that was lower than most of the teams competing with him, while Fergie had the biggest budget by far. Oh and Fergie did not do it himself, United were a huge team with a great youth system, that he inherited and then left to rot away, hence the struggles with it now.}

5.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 15:40:40
Where would you rate Sir Matt Busby ed?

{Ed001's Note - ahead of Fergie and level with Shanks, just slightly above Clough. Probably second best ever in English football, in my opinion. Though it is very close between Shanks, Busby and Clough. Shanks is let down, like Wenger, by his lack of a ruthless streak, he was just too loyal. Clough just stayed too long in the job, long after he should have retired, which ruined his legacy and Forest have still not recovered.}

6.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 15:48:31
To be honest I've always felt that Clough was not as good as people make out, because without Taylor, Clough would not have been half as successful.

7.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 15:53:08
Tim Sherwood - has the best record as a Spurs manager in terms of win ratio

Brendan Rodgers - His Liverpool side of 2013/ 14 scored more league goals than any Liverpool team in history.

Roy Hodgson - his Liverpool side were never beaten in Europe

Tony Pulis - has never been relegated from the Premier League as a manager

Steve McClaren - the only England manager in recent times to fail to qualify for a major tournament

All very impressive records. Paisley who?

8.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 16:38:38
As Ed01 says Sir Bob may of took charge of a side built by shanks after the F A cup final 1974, but by 1978 there were only 3 of that cup final line up in the European cup final under Paisley. Clemence, Thompson and Hughes. Sir Bob built teams.
Sir Bob was more ruthless than Shanks. Shanks stayed loyal to his old players, Where Bob would edge them out of the door.
Steven Gerrard wouldn't have made that famous slip under Paisley, because he would have been moved on before that season.
Sir Bob was a man of few words, but his actions spoke volumes.
Many say Bob would have moved Kenny on too, if he hadn't retired in 1983. He actually dropped Kenny from the team in his final season.

9.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 16:46:41
I'm assuming your being sarcastic ems.

10.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 16:48:10
Clough won the league with Derby County and 2 European cups with Nottingham forest. That's pretty special, him and Paisley for me, Bob just shaving it.

{Ed001's Note - if he had not hung around too long I agree, but those years after Peter Taylor left were dire, and included relegation.}

11.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 16:56:09
Ron, he won all that with Peter Taylor, he was hardly successful or special when he didn't have Taylor by his side.

12.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 17:07:09
The Peter Taylor bit doesn't wash with me. Paisley had the same assistants. So what? Taylor tried management and failed. Clough was manager during those triumphs, he gets the credit IMO.

All managers have assistants, it shouldn't detract from their achievements. Rafa had Paco Ayesteran, but he still gets the credit for number 5.

13.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 17:29:42
The point is that Clough was not as special as he has been made out to be, it was Clough and Taylor that won Nottingham Forest those European Cups, not just Clough. Assistant managers are probably one of the most underrated positions in the coaching setup and in Clough's case, he would not have won anything (or as much) with Forest and Derby if Taylor had not been by his side.

{Ed001's Note - Rafa fell apart once Pako left and has never been the same since. So you are ruining your own point Ron.}

14.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 17:41:05
I don't know any other top manager who gets judged on who his assistant was.
Anyway, no point in arguing opinions with me.
Clough was the second best, no-one has taken clubs the size of Forest and Derby to such success and Sir Bob shades it because of his continued success at the very top.

Couldn't give a monkeys who the assistants were, it matters not.

You won't change my mind. 😛.

15.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 17:54:22
Of course it matters who's the assistant - Paco and Taylor being great examples of that. But it doesn't take away anything from anybody, why would it? Everybody do better if sourrounded by the right people - the biggest skill is to know who to sourround yourself with.

16.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 18:04:31
a good partnership should never be underestimated, that's why when they move on managers like to take there back room staff with them. I have a soft spot for clough one of the games great characters. such a shame he never got the England job it would have turned the f. a on its head.

17.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 18:33:51
Ron, if you think Klinsmann was good with Germany, then you cannot ignore what Loew did as his assistant. Proof? Loew has transformed Germany to what they are today. Klinsmann took all the credit at the WC in 2006 but those who know the game at the time knew who the real genius was and it was and still isn`t Klinsman because he is just dire with the U. S team. Moral of the story? You cannot discount the impact of the assistant. Even Klopp has said Buvac and Kraveitz are his "brain".

18.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 19:18:50
Eds how would you rate ernst happel jock stein and rinus michels. Honestly know nothing about them but some "best managers ever pages" on the internet rate them higher than paisley along with SAF?
Thank you,
Evenjoshstevens.

{Ed001's Note - I do not know enough of Ernst Happel to consider him. Jock Stein was a great, but I personally do not see how he can be considered as on the same level as Paisley, just not close. Michels would have to come into consideration as one of the greatest. One thing that all the greats have in common is that they were ahead of their time. They all made their own path, rather than just copying something, they created a new way of playing and introduced new techniques and training regimes.}

19.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 19:24:28
What I meant by "it doesn't matter who their assistants were" is that it doesn't change the fact that the manager gets the credit and it doesn't change my ratings of the managers.

20.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 19:30:59
I liked Clough too Ron, but Taylor was the good cop. Taylor was great at finding players. People say it was Taylor who picked the players to sign, when they split, Clough couldn't find someone who was as good a judge. That's where Sir Bob beats Clough hands down Bob was a good judge of players he hardly made a bad signing.

21.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 19:51:03
Loved Cloughs tongue in cheek visit around the LFC boot room.

Got to love that man.

22.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 20:00:25
Just like Leow was the brain behind Klinsmann`s "success" with Germany in `06, the one he`s still sitting on till this day after being shown to be a failure without Leow at Bayern in 2007 as well as being dire with the U. S team without Leow.

23.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 20:37:07
The thing is Löw took over and proved he could be a manager, Taylor failed at management.

24.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 21:09:56
Wrong again, Ron. Leow was already an established Bundesliga manager before he took the assistant`s job because Klinsmann would leave after the WC and took over Bayern where he failed and got sacked. Even many knew at the time that Leow was the one doing the tactics formations. After Klinsmann left, the job was offered to Leow which he accepted and the rest is history. Point being, a manager is only as good as his assistant and even Klopp has said he is nothing without his assistants. Don`t know why you`re fighting this, Ron.

25.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 21:15:39
The manager gets the credit for me, weather the assistant is the world's greatest ever assistant or the worst.
It's like saying the manager was only great cause he managed to buy all those great players, if he bought average players he would have been ordinary.

26.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 21:17:35
The manager appointed him so he gets the credit.

27.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 21:29:06
A bit late to the punch but for me has to be Sir Bob, I doubt any manager has even come close to win the trophies he did anywhere in that space of time, let alone in England. He won on average 2.2 trophy's a season, only Guardiola has surpassed that. I mean he was the only manager until 2014 to have won 3 European cups, still the only manager to do it with the same team. I always felt Fergie would never be able to reach his heights, his arrogance at times let him down. Plus you could argue that Ferguson's success came in a time when if you had financial backing it was much easier to win the league. Imo it was much harder to win the league back in the 70s and 80s, because a team could come from nowhere like what Clough did, but there was many more teams in the mix. From 1970-1981 you had 7 different teams winning the league.

For me I think its a travesty that Sir Bob was never Knighted, still the only Brit to win 3 European cups, I don't discredit Ferguson's Knighthood, but for his service to Liverpool which spanned 24 years in management, including as an assistant manager.

I do agree though that it is a good relationship between manager and assistant which can make a team soo successful, they often don't get the recognition. I totally agree with Ed about Pako, Rafa got too paranoid and got rid of his friend and and a successful partnership, Pako himself has stated though that they was veering away from the ideals that brought them success to begin with, I honestly believe had Pako remained as assistant manager, Rafa could have had way more success at Liverpool. Pako has since gone on to become a successful manager in his own right, he won the treble with Maccabi Tel Aviv last year, which no manager ever did in the Israeli league. And some of you may or mat not know he has joined up with Gary Neville at Valencia as a coach now, I sincerely hope they have success together.

YNWA.

28.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 22:01:22
Not fighting anything, I've an opinion on who are the best managers but apparently I'm not allowed to have one without having to justify it 😄.

29.) 17 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 22:49:45
Has to be sir Bob as he won 3 European cups when it was a lot harder to win. Closely followed by clough and then Neil Warnock in third.

30.) 18 Feb 2016
17 Feb 2016 23:28:04
Sir Bob no doubt but ill trll any Cloughie doubters right now what he did for Derby and then moreso Forest, taking a club from being dire in division two to winning two European cups was phenomenol, i'm from the area and ED001 is correct he stayed too long, it was the worst kept secret in the club that he was hiding whiskey everywhere and he openly admitted it clouded his judgement, it wasnt the lack of Taylor that did him it was the drink, besides that he was a quality man and reknowned in the area for treating kids to tickets etc, he was a real gent
Im LFC through and through always have been but Cloughie ill tell you as a person and a fan of good families was a man to admire, they don't make em like him and Bob anymore and he also had massive respect for Bob and LFC. a very very close second to the sir for me fellas
YNWA.

{Ed003's Note - In an era where everyone puts down citeh,I think the Mercer - Allison years should get a mention.But Paisley for me.}

31.) 18 Feb 2016
18 Feb 2016 08:18:25
Sorry, Klinsmann is dire with the USA team? I agree that he's no mastermind and spends most of his life pissing people off, but didn't he just take the USA to their best ever WC performance (which they were unlucky to be knocked out of) and highest ever world ranking?

{Ed001's Note - with by far their best ever team.}