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23 Jan 2018 12:29:37
My take on last night, for what its worth.
I'm not going to enter the debate on Can and Wijinaldum playing together in midfield - as you know what you are going to get from those two - and in my opinion they played their natural games in terms of covering ground and winning the ball back.
I was more disappointed with Mane and Salah. Throughout the whole game they were so narrow and not once offered a run down the side and in behind the full backs.
Nor did they pull wide, get the ball to feet and try and beat a player - time and time again Robertson, Can, Wijinaldum and gomez got the ball and saw nothing to aim at purely as they were static and narrow.
They made it far to easy for Swansea to defend . surely both Mane and Salah would back themselves to beat a fullback 1v1 once or twice ?
Agree with the thought of TAA coming on as Robertson was the only player who offered us some width .
A disappointing evening to say the least.
But to those who say the win against Man City was worthless. whilst I understand your point, it is actually crucially valuable.
1.) 23 Jan 2018 14:44:56
Why was it crucially valuable?
they aren't catch-able, if we had been beaten by MC and beat Swansea we would have the same points. Either way you should always beat a team with -20 goal difference haha!
2.) 23 Jan 2018 14:48:57
Agree. Should have been 5 points clear of
Spurs and Arsenal by now and on points with Chelsea and 3 behind UTD. That’s why the win was so vital. Now it’s a must win against Huddersfield and Spurs!
23 Dec 2017 10:08:01
My take on last night for what its worth.
Firstly, we need to be way more savvy when two goals up. Teams now still believe they can get back in the game as we are prone to errors.
We need to break up play better, give away free kicks around the half way line, have a couple of players go down with injuries for a minute or two, make a substitution, anything that stops the game for a minute - is it gamesmanship, ? yes probably but I can't imagine a Chelsea side from a few years back or Utd team now letting the opposition get into an attacking rhythm. We just invite teams to keep playing and keep coming on to us.
The less said about Migs the better. Klavan and Lovren were decent as was Robertson - Gomez dropped but a clanger by not attacking the ball for the first goal - but probably won't make the same mistake twice.
I thought the midfield and front three were excellent - though Mane is a bit of concern for me. His touch seems off at present and his wry smile when he was subbed seemed to suggest a kind of "yeah, its always me that gets hooked" attitude. Perhaps if his over head kick had gone in things would have been different for him - let's hope he just needs a good goal to click again.
I've read some stuff on here regarding Couts desire in tracking back etc - for me, and only my opinion, whilst that is part of his role - creating and scoring is where his talent lies - the run he made to score was fantastic and his technical ability is brilliant. A shame he will be off at some point to Barca, he will be hard to replace.
Too many draws, when we have bossed games is costing us big time - every player will always make a mistake or two - ours cost us a goal - not just a chance for the other team. We are paying a heavy price at times.
Great to watch - but it sure isn't relaxing!
{Ed025's Note - good honest post that weller, im a massive klopp fan as you probably know but at times i have to say he is tactically naive, attacking wise its superb but the price you are paying for the lack of defensive organisation is a high one, the main problem is the keeper mate as he is costing you points and a replacement is needed as a matter of urgency..
1.) 23 Dec 2017 10:29:24
Agree ed, apart from the goals, he came for a cross in the second half and well. I’m not sure how to describe it! Luckily the red blew for an infringement. woeful.
{Ed025's Note - he really is weller mate..
2.) 23 Dec 2017 11:41:28
I think our midfield was far from excellent, there was w huge hole that Arsenal we’re allowed to operate in. As for Mignolet, absolutely awful. I think he has to go now. Our centre backs always make opposing teams think they have a way back in it.
3.) 23 Dec 2017 12:20:36
Midfield wasn’t excellent? First half and for half the second half seemed decent to me. your expecting a midfield to dominate arsenal for 90 mins? . good luck.
4.) 23 Dec 2017 11:08:35
Ed025.i agree that a keeper is obviously needed and Klopp has to be blamed for not addressing the problem or atleast not giving others the chance. but i think tactically we were spot on last night. all the goals were individual errors and game management is something that players should be aware of cuz it is not rocket science and all the players are internationals for their respective country so they should take the responsibility for that. not much Klopp could do to stop us from stupidly giving up possession after conceding the goal!
{Ed025's Note - thats a valid point SW..
5.) 23 Dec 2017 11:58:14
Spot on, Ed. I do not believe Klopp is naive. I just think that people (esp. pundits that no one should bother with) think so just cos he is NOT doing what THEY think he should do. That is a very myopic way to look at things as I do not expect the manager to do what I want cos If I do, then I should stop moaning and then take the job so that way, I can do what I want and be held accountable for it. Klopp wants us to defend as a unit from the source or beginning of a move as in, as soon as we lose the ball. That will NOT happen well all the time BUT as you eloquently put it, it all starts from the GK.
Even if you have the legendary Milan backline of the 90's, if your GK is putting the fear of God into them and they know he is a clanger waiting to happen, they will play w/ jitters. Karius has to come in now and if Klopp even tries to persit with Migs for one more game, he will be the one to own every mistake going forward cos Migs does not pick himself. That will eventually get him sacked THO, I don't think he is that dumb.
{Ed025's Note - i think he has used up all his chances now brover, surely he will be replaced now mate..
13 Sep 2017 20:50:48
Heard a stat recently that Liverpool have never lost when Lovren and Matip have played together. anyone confirm?
1.) 13 Sep 2017 21:47:34
Wrong. We've lost 2 when they've played together.
2.) 14 Sep 2017 13:54:00
We have lost once mate. last season against crystal palace at anfield.
11 Sep 2017 17:19:28
What puzzles me most with our defence is how often Klopp changes the personnel.
Across the back four and goal keeper we have swapped players and we have only just started the season - how can they possibly start to get an understanding.
Its clear that we need to be more vocal, organised and have greater desire to not let a goal in.
I would go with Ward, Robertson, Lovren, Gomez and TAA. As many "home grown " players as possible that hopefully have the desire and willingness to do all that is possible to stop goals.
On Saturday, when going down to 10 men - this harms your attacking options, but we should still be able to defend well enough to stay in the game and frustrate city . the capitulation was awful.
1.) 11 Sep 2017 17:36:56
You're right, the capitulation was awful.
But. it isn't the first time a team have folded under those circumstances and I doubt it will be the last either.
You could see before the red that a few of the lads were tired after international duty (which shouldn't be forgotten) and red card, quickly followed by a second goal made their heads drop.
As was said during match commentary, if we had got in at half time still 1-0 we could have re-grouped and possibly nicked a goal but the damage was done.
I'm not making excuses for them as I do agree with you to an extent. But, I think it's one of them games we just need to forget about as of now and look forward to Wednesday night.
2.) 11 Sep 2017 17:50:02
I did not see us getting anything out of the game when Mane was sent off but damage limitation was required.
Taking off Salah was one thing but Klopp's biggest mistake was taking Can out of midfield and changing to a back three vs City.
That is why the flood gates opened.
3.) 11 Sep 2017 17:50:17
And inspite of this we have conceded a total of 10 goals already. I think we will surely hit half century this season.
{Ed025's Note - you are not great at the back harry but i would wager that you dont let in 5 in any other game this season mate, that was a one off and circumstances dictated the level of defeat..
4.) 11 Sep 2017 18:08:38
Weller, you are aware that teams often rotate their players esp. in defence, right? So why you are surprised that we made changes to the line up in defence after the int'l break, I have no idea. However, I do agree with you that playing with a man short does not and should not stop you from executing basic defensive work, which was not done for City's first 3 goals. There is where my concern mostly lies. The rest? We learn the lessons and move on.
5.) 11 Sep 2017 18:09:32
We conceded 3 against watford and I am sure there would atlest 3 more games going forward where we would concede 3. That's 25 already which is what Spurs conceded all last season!
6.) 11 Sep 2017 18:13:54
Coutinho, and City had no players on international duty?
7.) 11 Sep 2017 18:51:50
We have been mentally weak for 3 or 4 seasons. I have lost count of the number of times we have been pegged back. I honestly don't trust the players we have in the defence and Mignolet/ Karius. Unless we're 3 goals up with 5 minutes to go, I don't rest easy. It's ridiculous, there's a nervousness right round the team and Henderson as captain should be taking a game (when we're winning) by the scruff of the neck, by slowing the game down, taking yellow cards for time wasting if required and doing what the top European teams do, when fouled - sit on the ground for 20 to 30 seconds and waste time.
{Ed025's Note - im not sure that thats a winning formula kev, and you certainly wont make many friends mate..
8.) 11 Sep 2017 18:54:01
Bingo, we have only played a few games and not one of the back four who played on Saturday has played every game. so rotation on what basis ? . as they are tired ? - we are playing Man City, get out there and give it everything.
Not sure other teams have used so many defenders at this stage of the season and with using so many none of them have a chance to form any sort of understanding. Pick a back 4 a GK and work with them to get better - keep changing players, especially in defence will never work.
9.) 11 Sep 2017 19:10:59
Mcgoveb ofcourse they did, hence why they wern't so great themselves up until the red card. A brilliant through ball from a world class KDB was the difference up until the red.
When Mane got sent off that would have given a boost to their players would it not? While ours just felt sorry for themselves!
10.) 11 Sep 2017 20:08:48
kev totally disagree mate, hate seeing time wasting stuff like that and thank god we don't do it and when we do i hate it.
11.) 11 Sep 2017 21:25:43
Weller, you are aware that there was an inter'l break and Klopp like most managers, had to pick a team based on the fitness levels of the players after they arrived from their various countries, right? This is what I mean by rotation. Keep up, bro.
{Ed025's Note - thats an excuse not a reason bingo, its four games in and these are highly tuned super fit athletes supposedly mate..
12.) 11 Sep 2017 21:47:25
I understand why it would be hated as we're not known for it but if it's what wins us a vital game and saves me from a heart attack, I'd definitely not be fully against it. I appreciate why people would be against it though obviously.
{Ed025's Note - i would like to believe liverpool are above underhanded things that that kev..
13.) 12 Sep 2017 00:18:44
No mate, we're desperate now 😆
That's what nearly 30 years of not winning a title does to ya.
{Ed025's Note - but would you want to win it dishonestly kev?, actually i hope you dont answer that mate..
23 May 2017 15:18:18
I think next season that Lovren and Matip can form a decent partnership. They still haven't played that many games together - and do compliment each other well.
Lovren likes to be physical and go towards the ball whilst Matip seems happier retreating to the edge of the box and staying the right side of the ball - together they should be able to settle down and with Matip just covering in behind Lovren.
Both are reasonable players - they just need to communicate more to take it up a level.
1.) 23 May 2017 15:38:44
Whilst I agree they have potential to form a good partnership we are short in that area . Lovren, Klavan are both ball winners. Matip acts as a kind of baby sitter at times. Gomez needs opportunities but is not ready for a significant role as yet.
With his injury record I worry that we rely on him too much.
Just my opinion but I am concerned that with CB seemingly not being a priority and with Lucas going we may be even shorter in this position next season.
23 Dec 2017 12:24:30
Gomez started the slide . I don’t like slagging players off but he should have done better. Especially when your marking someone like Sanchez. he played well other than that though. but it was a costly mistake.
23 Dec 2017 12:20:36
Midfield wasn’t excellent? First half and for half the second half seemed decent to me. your expecting a midfield to dominate arsenal for 90 mins? . good luck.
23 Dec 2017 10:29:24
Agree ed, apart from the goals, he came for a cross in the second half and well. I’m not sure how to describe it! Luckily the red blew for an infringement. woeful.
{Ed025's Note - he really is weller mate..
22 Sep 2017 23:15:58
Sorry toonred, but carra has done himself no favours as a pundit. From hero to prize twiglet to me.
11 Sep 2017 18:54:01
Bingo, we have only played a few games and not one of the back four who played on Saturday has played every game. so rotation on what basis ? . as they are tired ? - we are playing Man City, get out there and give it everything.
Not sure other teams have used so many defenders at this stage of the season and with using so many none of them have a chance to form any sort of understanding. Pick a back 4 a GK and work with them to get better - keep changing players, especially in defence will never work.