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01 Feb 2023 12:24:55
I think we mostly know that 4th place is gone. No champs league next season. I reckon that would push Salah to want to leave and maybe reduce wage demands. Id be surprised if we got Bellingham. I also think this might be Klopps last season. Really I just wanted to ask if anyone else has begun to not care as much about all this stuff? If some tossbag can come in and spend 600m in 10 months, what is the point of sound planning, youth development, and good coaching? For what it is worth I think the super league is going to happen at some point. And maybe that’s a good thing. I could have been born a Burnley fan knowing that for my entire existence I would not see my team win anything. I don’t think that is right. Maybe I am just grumpy as it’s 6am here in Florida (expat)

1.) 01 Feb 2023 12:34:48
Aye the Super League is happening at some point regardless, its already happening by stealth. Even if we don't qualify next season it will become much easier afterwards, the new Champions League format and the likelihood of English teams (+ Madrid) dominating European football for the foreseeable means 5th place in the Premier League will usually be enough for Champions League football.

2.) 01 Feb 2023 12:46:37
£600m doesn't guarantee you anything, though.
And is it all about winning? I've felt for years that we couldn't compete with City year in year out. I'm surprised that we've done it for so long.
I wouldn't really be excited about us spending hundreds of millions on players but maybe that's because of the way the game is going and it is losing some of its appeal.
It's becoming less and less 'the people's game'.

3.) 01 Feb 2023 13:01:05
I don’t think 4th is gone at all. The top 2 will be Arsenal and City, after that I think it’s a free for all. All teams are capable of dropping points but I’d say out of all of them we are the ones who have a history of going on long winning runs.
2021 we lost 6 games in a row at home and looked like we’d never score another goal ever again. Then we won the last 10 games to finish 3rd.
There has been a massive overreaction to what has been a tough January but I don’t expect the current form to continue for long.
Giving up on top 4 half way through the season is just ridiculous to me. I don’t get that at all.

4.) 01 Feb 2023 13:03:11
Why is 4th place gone? Because some fans say it is? I for one don’t think it is Liverpool need to turn up now and I believe this team has that in them they’ve proven that before and that grit and talent doesn’t just disappear. Win the two games in hand and we are right back on the ass of 4th (yes I know other teams have two games in hand) but everyone still needs to play each other. Transfer window is closed you can still moan about the owners transfers whatever but nows the time to get behind the team.

5.) 01 Feb 2023 13:12:54
Superleague is just another word for Supermoney!

6.) 01 Feb 2023 13:26:02
I posted similar this morning about getting top 4 and if it was achievable? Considering how much trouble we were in a few seasons ago with no CBs. For me, my main concern would be the quality of the teams now compared to a few seasons ago. It’s a really tough ask this time but a few wins on the bounce might help ??.

7.) 01 Feb 2023 14:52:18
I think at some point we will put together a run of results this season, like we did a couple of years ago in the 'no center backs' season.

Whether it'll come too late or not to get back in the top 4 is another question.

8.) 01 Feb 2023 12:54:53
Top four is not over, we are 10 points away with a game in hand. So being the optimist I am, let's call that 7. Then we have to play the teams above us so you could argue 4. Over the remaining 17 games that is feasible to make up.

I am not saying for a second we will make top four, or that it will be easy but it definitley isn't over.

As for the whole spending thing, I would hazard a guess that if it was us spending those fees we wouldn't complain. We are having a bad season, there is no arguements from me on that, but we are still Liverpool fans and it could be a lot worse. Isn't that right ed025 ;) sorry couldn't resist!

{Ed025's Note - you’re dead right WYred. If you think your club is underwhelming then take a look across the park mate. Let go of one of our assets and brought nobody in. We are a total shambles and our next two games are against yourselves and arsenal. There will be hell to pay come Saturday and if I was an Everton board member I would definitely give that one a miss..

9.) 01 Feb 2023 17:29:41
Please can you introduce those words to my wife ed025, I never hear those!

But I do think Dyche will do well for you, he strikes me as someone who works best when his back is against the wall. How many times were Burnley written off? He will create a team that crafts and is hard to beat, it won't be pretty but I think it'll be effective and should help build a foundation.

Get through the back end of this season and there may just be a glimmer at the end of the tunnel but those owners are definitely going to feel the heat for the next few games!

{Ed025's Note - i really hope dyche does well WYred, good man manager and his teams usually graft, our board have done their best to hamstring him but i just hope he sticks it to them but its a big ask mate..

10.) 01 Feb 2023 18:33:19
One game at a time. We have some tricky ones coming up. 7 points back IF we win our game in hand. Need a settled front line (Gakpo Salah Nunez) and the mids need to up it and stay fit. Odds are against us based upon this season (teams above us are stronger than in seasons past) so far. Not impossible by any stretch but 1. we've got to play better. 2. we have to get the confidence back.

11.) 01 Feb 2023 18:10:34
You're right about Everton, Ed025.
Selling one of your most prized assets, not replacing him and the Danjuma debacle after Richarlison in the summer is a right kick in the teeth.

{Ed025's Note - I was thinking a bit lower down rigsby mate .. ?

12.) 01 Feb 2023 18:37:54
Only 3 points from safety No25, you will be fine ?.

{Ed025's Note - you have a lot more faith than me Irish. Our next 2 fixtures are desperately tough and we could be well adrift by then mate..

13.) 02 Feb 2023 00:08:52
Don't worry Ed25.

You've now got that "New Manager Syndrome", so whilst you'll lose to the Gooners, I'm actually thinking that you could well beat us, given the form that we are in.

I'm honestly dreading our game.

{Ed025's Note - I have not looked forward to a derby for years now JLCBM. This one will be tense because the points are so vital. Mind you I would bite your arm off for a point mate..

06 Jan 2023 11:02:47
I think we need to recognize that if we play TAA then Harvey can't play in that rcm space. Leaves us way too vulnerable. When Bobby doesn't play i tend to see Fab way too high up the field. Nunez on the left is so direct it kills some of Robbo’s effectiveness. I think that it is the system that needs an overhaul and signing a runner in midfield will not put us back being able to compete at the top. We are a bit of a shambles right now. I thought we looked better playing a 10 and two holding mids TBH.

1.) 06 Jan 2023 11:22:27
I think most on here do recognise this. The worrying observation is that Klopp/ Ljinders do not appear to or they are working with Harvey to improve his defensive qualities and hoping he plays through it, which is a massive gamble.

Klopp has a habit of playing square pegs in round holes and it doesn’t always work.

2.) 06 Jan 2023 11:33:51
I find it strange that we're willing to try Harvey in that position but not Fabio Carvalho. At least with Carvalho being right footed he may provide a bit more balance on that side and not occupy Trent/ Salah's spaces.

3.) 06 Jan 2023 12:04:43
I feel for Elliot. He is being asked to play in a position and system that with the current crop of players is not helping him at all. Him and Trent on the right side with no engine in the middle of the park is a recipe for disaster, which is not his fault.

4.) 06 Jan 2023 12:38:26
Agree Alonso1786. Too much pressure and too big an ask of Harvey. It's a lot of grass to cover.

5.) 06 Jan 2023 12:41:50
Maybe Elliott's lack of an engine is also a problem? I agree that our usual midfield three are getting on but surely they can adapt by positioning themselves better and trying that bit harder. Leicester's goal was more about attitude than legs. The same with Brentford's second.
We need to play Henderson, Thiago and Fab, with maybe Ox helping out, until we start to find some form.
Get stuck in and move the ball quicker if we're getting pressed. Or move the ball and be patient if teams sit in against us.
They are not bad players and if the front three can take pressure of the rest of the team things might start to look up.
My lad made me watch Gakpo on YT and I noticed his crossing technique. He sort of loops them in with little backlift which could really suit Nunez and Salah. They've had little service from the left for months.
I'm hoping the midfield can do the simple things well, the front three start to score and we'll be ok.

{Ed025's Note - Elliot is still very young rigsby and one for the future, yes he has not been great but the only way he will improve is by getting minutes under his belt, its not his fault that the midfield is so weak and in an ideal world would have been introduced a bit slower, but needs must mate and i think the supporters need to cut him a bit of slack..

6.) 06 Jan 2023 13:02:06
That’s very fair, it can’t be Elliot‘’s fault. Klopp has all the information but continues to play him RM which is strange at best.

7.) 06 Jan 2023 13:19:26
Spot on, Ed. I remember last season before it started where Klopp said that he was willing to give Elliott his chance on the right CM position after Gini left and Hendo was unfit due to the Euros. He was playing well and people on here said Hendo should not return to the team since Harvey was killing it. Now people are on to him now as if the same issues weren’t there before. Typical hindsight stuff I have no time for, really.

Also on another note, Could the fact that Klopp was willing to give Elliott his chance before last season have been the reason why a midfielder was not signed at that time? Based on what we know now about what happened this summer, I would say yes.

{Ed025's Note - i love to see young players getting their chance whatever the club oli, they are the future but it dismays me to see some supporters (and i use that term loosely) giving them flak when they are trying to learn their trade, harvey is a victim of poor management rather than a lack of talent or application imo mate..

8.) 06 Jan 2023 13:24:59
FlyPelican. I agree mate. Way too much pressure on him to produce right away. Especially in a team that are low on confidence, lacking in the middle of the park and void of any options to give him more of a gradual transitioning period.

Rigsby. Ox will not be helping out. He hasn’t helped out for 3 years now so don’t see that suddenly changing. However, I do agree with you that we are are not even doing the basics right but our midfield is a major issue whether we like it or not. Yes, Elliot is not performing at the level he has shown before but he is not a midfielder in the mould of someone like Caicedo. Yet the system we are deploying is expecting him to be which is not his fault. To make matters worse he is on the side where Trent is being asked to bomb forward at will with no cover. Same thing goes with Trent, yes he has had a dip in form but the tactics and system be asked with the current crop of players is leaving him well exposed making him appear worse than he actually is. Being asked to be omnipresent with a weak midfield and players not suited for the system is football suicide.

{Ed025's Note - i agree mate..

9.) 06 Jan 2023 13:27:46
Elliot had one of the best performances I've seen from any of our midfield this season against Man City. Was a huge part of the reason I thought milner got so much credit in that game is because of the amount of ground he covered and tracking and defensive work he put in.

Fully agree he hasn't been great and has been largely missing in a few but from that performance alone he definitely can do it. I walked away from that man city game thinking if he can play like that week in week out we are sorted in that position for 10 years.

10.) 06 Jan 2023 13:54:36
Ed 25 you make a fair point about Elliott, do you blame Klopp then for using him in midfield or just too much, also don't think Thiago helps Elliott either, we definitely need physicality in the middle.

{Ed025's Note - i just think hes a future talent who is being misused due to the lack of midfield options MR, i think he has been introduce too quickly and overused which has resulted in the fan base getting on his back and its destroying his confidence mate..

11.) 06 Jan 2023 14:30:27
I feel for Elliott. He certainly shouldn’t be getting the abuse. None of this is his fault but is as a result of decisions made at higher levels. Stick him in a midfield where he has someone energetic, quick and physical charging around doing the running and helping Fab out would be a massive help and give him more freedom to develop, would also allow Thiago to rest too. As it is, with both him and Thiago in the middle it lacks that dynamic and is quite easy to expose. There are plenty of suitable candidates out there, but there’s no money.

12.) 06 Jan 2023 15:40:15
Ed25, it’s the way of the world these days. Patience is dead and everyone want success coming from the microwave rather than a step by step process. Blaming a kid for the failures of his own manager. Typical. I love Elliott and he is absolutely mint with the football technically with a brilliant first touch. That will get you far in football. He just needs time to hone his game. Constantly bearing a 19 yr old kid up for the failings of those much older than him is just a form of bullying, imo.

{Ed025's Note - i agree oli and see him as a future international, i just hope doesn,t get burned out and fall into the Tracy Austin trap mate..

13.) 06 Jan 2023 16:46:47
I'm not blaming Elliott, Ed0025 but he is part of the midfield. Of course we've been short of options and he has had to play in an out of form team. I think we need to hit some form and then maybe give him some minutes. We need the experienced players to get some results first.

{Ed025's Note - i dont know whether the current available midfielders have the skill set or gumption to improve your fortunes rigsby, i could be wrong but i dont hold much faith with what you have at your disposal mate..

14.) 06 Jan 2023 17:17:49
I can't disagree, Ed025 but we can't excuse Elliott, or any player, for playing in a poor midfield when they are part of it. That goes for the whole team. They win, lose and draw together.
Saying that, he, or any player, shouldn't be blamed or abused either; not that I've seen much abuse. He's shown some promise but I can't have us building a team around him because he has no engine.
If you play for Liverpool, or anyone, and you are old enough to be praised, you are old enough to be criticised.
If he isn't a midfielder, I don't know what his position will be.

{Ed025's Note - he has been overused for me rigsby and if he had better or more in-form players around him he could hold his own, its too early to write him off though mate..

15.) 06 Jan 2023 18:34:07
Is Elliot losing confidence? I’ve not seen this at all and to me he doesn’t normally let the team down when he plays. I think people need to accept this season of transition as we set up for the next 5+ years.

16.) 06 Jan 2023 20:27:53
For what it’s worth I agree with you Ed025 - Elliot has been overused this season - partly because of injuries, partly because Klopp is pushing Elliot’s development (like he did with Curtis last season) and partly because we don’t really have an established / mature naturally right sided midfielder.

Anyway, back to the fray ….

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19 Jul 2023 20:49:14
This move for Henderson tells us his price for putting aside his ‘ethics’. On one hand i understand it but I also wish it wasn’t a thing. I do wish we could talk about this stuff like grown ups rather than having a day to day morality and then a different set of morals when it comes to our club.

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09 Feb 2023 16:37:46
Lancaster, yeah I hear you. I hope that the PL really backs up the charges against City with actual punishment if they are found guilty. Maybe that will help. I just don’t want someone to come in and throw money around and us not learn from our mistakes….

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09 Feb 2023 13:43:24
I dunno if anyone else feels this way but the screw everyone else (take the oil money) as long as I get what I want (being able to outspend rival football teams) just leaves me hollow inside. If this is what fans want then why did they get so p. ed off with the ESL? I think the game as we know it will disappear and some sort of super league will happen unless we can make the game fairer, more meritocratic. My first game was at Prenton Park with my grandad, that memory means more to me that any number of Bellinghams coming into the club. I don’t want to lose that.

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08 Jan 2023 15:55:18
I think it is correct that the system we are trying to operate has broken down. Hendo, for me, was what made the right side click and at times Gini did the same for the left side. Elliot and Thiago are possibly (certainly in Thiago’s case) better footballers but they are nowhere near as good off the ball. Our play has become slower and slower, offering more chances to concede possession, we don't counter press as well as 5 or six other teams in the league, and have huge gaps both centrally and out wide which shouldn't happen.
if this was champ manager, id have nunez and salah up top, trent RM in a 4-4-f***ing-2. But what do i know.

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