02 Jun 2018 09:45:17
I said a week ago I didn't think Fekir would happen. I still hope it does happen but this is exactly what Lyon do when dealing with English clubs.

I hope we move on this time. We spent too long dwelling on Lemar, Virgil and Keita and ended up with only 1 of them for Half the season. On the contrary, Klopp took advice from the scouts when he couldn't get Brandt and we ended up with Salah!

The back up options aren't necessarily worse players. In my opinion we should move on so we can still get all of our business done before the world cup. Make Lyon an ultimatum. Fekir isn't the only attacking midfielder in Europe.

{Ed002's Note - There is nothing wrong with clubs looking to get the best price for their players - the Liverpool fans seem to think Lyon has done something wrong - and that is simple ignorance.}

1.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 09:59:19
Fekir is not even an ACM. Who are the back up options? Buy Ceballos and play him upfront? Lemar is more expensive than Fekir. Maddison is moving to Leicester? Dembele is a winger. Fekir is a Firmino and they are very hard to find! I am keeping my fingers and legs crossed for the rest of the day to get this done lol! Fekir is an excellent player and probably better than Kieta! Let’s hope we put up an acceptable bid to Lyon!

2.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 10:02:51
It seems odd that Fabinho was so out of the blue and fekir is so public. Maybe we will have eyes on someone else a little more privately.
Not denying we have interest but if it has stalled maybe we are working on something else rather than getting hung up!

3.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 10:03:15
Not that it matters but Bayern’s odd have been slashed on fekir going to them! I’d love him but won’t hold my breath on us getting him!

4.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 10:10:35
Firmane

I had that in my mind and has been asking about all
Players from Europe to Ed02 😂😂😂.

5.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 10:23:00
I sure hope so Firmane! Talisca seems openly available and is a very good attacking midfielder who can also play across a front 3. Or even Doucoure who played half of last season for Watford behind the forwards, and is pushing for a move.

Lyon don't want to sell and Fekir loves the club too much to force his way out in my opinion. So we should make Lyon a final offer and if they still won't sell, move on. They have a contract with Fekir and are well within their rights to refuse to sell. Sometimes you have to accept these things.

Harry, I really want us to sign Fekir and agree with you that he is a stellar player. But the window this year is very short and I'd rather we sign our 2nd or 3rd choice, than end up with nobody; again!

6.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 10:28:02
MK, isn't this what all good businesses do? Try and do what's best for them. In Lyon's case get the best price for their players. Just like we did with Phil.

7.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 10:15:46
Ed002, nowhere have I said Lyon are doing anything wrong. You've got my post all wrong. I've merely stated that this is what Lyon do with English clubs. They know we have more money so they try to exploit that. I have no doubt Liverpool do the same when Barcelona, PSG or Real Madrid come calling for our stars, knowing they are more wealthy.

My post was in fact the total opposite and I think you have misread it. I've criticised Liverpool for not moving on when a team doesn't want to sell at a price we can offer. Last summer we ended up with 3 centre backs until January, a light midfield all season, and no attacking midfielder after January. All because the club decided to throw all their eggs in one basket with Virgil, Keita and Lemar.

My point was simply that Salah was not first choice, and therefore Klopp should trust his scouts to find alternatives when his first picks are not for sale. Instead we are now in RBL and Southampton's bad books for the way we handled signing their players. I hope that makes it clearer. I'm certainly not blaming Lyon for doing exactly what we did with Coutinho.

{Ed002's Note - I really don't have any idea what you are talking about - this is nothing to do with any negotiating of price wehre they will be difficult - so nothing to do with "what they do to English clubs".

You maybe need to get over the arrogance of "We is Liverpool" and all of that BS. It is simply several clubs being interested in a player. It is the norm - no more and no less. There is nothing to over complicate, just another transfer and no reason to think there is anything special about it.}

8.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 10:46:52
Just business as usual. Player goes to the team that is a) paying his current employer the most and b) which is most suitable for him. Workings of a free market.

9.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 10:56:38
This is the well known SMOKESCREEN tactic being used by lfc! It HAS to be!

It’s been a while since we’ve heard that so obviously that’s what we’re doing 😂😂😂.

10.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 11:00:27
Why do people who come on to this site regularly still believe everything they read in the papers?

11.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 11:12:52
Iv started coming on here more for a laugh than anything else these days. 😂.

12.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 11:17:18
Fekir could have a great world cup possibly win it and get head lines along the way

Lyon will wait till after and try get more and more and that makes sense nobody will sell a top player before a world cup.

13.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 11:26:35
Flidby, it was the Editors of this site who informed us that Lyon ask for more money from English sides because of the additional money in the English game. So nothing to do with the papers mate. All the Eds have different sources though and I can't remember which Ed said it. Obviously not Ed002 though 😂

This isn't what I want to talk about anymore. I never meant this to turn into a thread about Lyon. This is the Liverpool page and my post was about Liverpool needing to move on when a deal isn't going to happen. Of course, the Fekir deal is not necessarily in that bracket yet. The window is barely open. I'm speculating based on how dragged out this saga has been already, because it is reminding me of the 3 sagas from last summer (NO, VVD and TL) ; none of whom were Liverpool players by August.

14.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 11:34:33
MK, I love you bro BUT what is with these posts of yours just throwing your hands up in frustration cos Fekir has not signed for us yet? It smacks of some kind of self-entitled attitude and lack of perspective, context and humility. What's wrong with Lyon getting the best deal they can for their player as Ed asked? You think we did not do Barcelona for Cou price-wise? If Klopp wants Fekir he will give himself every chance to get him and if we don't, we move on. What's with the the anxiety tantrums?

Calm down, man. You know FULL well that these types of transfers for big players are complicated and take time so why the bitterness and frustration? So cos Fekir has not signed yet we should move on to other targets? Really? Man, I don't know who this MK is BUT I want my old MK back, the one whose posts are very measured, thought-out and level-headed.

15.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 11:38:07
My apologies for misunderstanding your initial post MK.

16.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 11:44:58
MK
Doucoure is a glorified version of Wijnaldum ( had he scored goals, we wouldn’t be talking about any other B2B in Europe ) .
Fekir is a playmaker who has pace and sublime qualities on the ball. I think we need to prioritise this signing over any other attacker. Lyon will sell but at the right price.

17.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 11:53:17
The English transfer window is not shorter this season it has just opened earlier and will close earlier. Lyon are well within their rights to wait out for other teams to join the auction especially with a World Cup coming up. We were lucky last season to get Salah for his price just before the market blew up. Lyon are simply protecting their asset. If we want him that much then we simply wait, match the asking price and offer him a deal that would be too hard to turn down. If we then miss out so be it.

{Ed001's Note - it has not opened earlier. It always opens at the end of the season. Every World Cup year the calendar is moved forwards slightly, but that is all. The transfer window has been curtailed to make it shorter than usual.}

18.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 12:00:49
It’s absolutely baffling how many of you can’t consume the information in MKs post and realize what the post is about. He isn’t being bitter, he isn’t saying this transfer is special, he isn’t saying Lyon will hold out cos “we are Liverpool”, and he isn’t saying this transfer will or won’t happen.
He is just using it as an example and simply saying if clubs don’t want to sell there players or Liverpool feel the price is going to high or into a stalemate, that the club move on to other targets instead of spending too much time on one player and ending up with no one. Not that difficult to understand really.

19.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 12:06:06
Fully agree with Mk here 100 percent no point in messing around if Lyon wanna delay a deal then move on they are hoping he goes to the world cup and by some bit of magic he scores the winner in the final and he price increases by 20m
or on the other hand he could go to the world cup spend the duration on the bench on coming off the bench here and there
and his value would then not increase would it?
lets all remember he only probably going to the world cup coz Payet is injured so let's not make him out to be this superstar as he most definitely is not as of ye, a very good player but not as yet a world star.
good little player but not fussed if he does not come personally.

20.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 12:10:30
BRover, sorry mate but I think you've misread MK's post today.

21.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 12:12:12
Brover, You've not read anything on this thread other than Ed002's replies have you? Calm down? What have I said that is anything other than calm? I'm not frustrated at potentially missing Fekir. The whole point of my post was to ease the worries of the people who are. Nowhere have I said Lyon are doing anything wrong. Actually read my original post and all my replies, and then come back for a chat. Ed002 misinterpreted my post as a dig at Lyon, and you've just jumped on the bandwagon.

No worries Shayan mate. It's easy to misunderstand text. I just want all our business done before the World Cup so we can squeeze in some semblance of a pre-season before the club season starts!

Harry, wouldn't you say that Doucoure is everything we wanted Wijnaldum to be? Powerful, direct, scores goals, wins the ball back aggressively and high up the pitch etc. But also has the ability to play deeper and help shield the defence. I love Gini but I think he is mentally frail. He is atrocious away from home and looks too scared to express himself. If he was more brave on the ball, we'd have one of the best attacking midfielders in Europe, but he is playing within himself every single week.

22.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 12:18:43
I get your salah argument being 3rd/ 4th choice but we desperately needed a winger. In regards to a creative influence in the midfield / front 3 yes we need but not desperately. We have players for that we simply require an upgrade.

So in this sense and same with VVD if we can't get the man we want why move on straight away I'd prefer us to try get the deal done if not use the players we have maybe don't sell lallanna and then see how we do till January.

23.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 12:30:25
Jak, spot on mate. I was starting to think I had written something entirely different!

24.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 12:35:24
Fair counter argument that ShaneK. Good post mate.

Personally I think we need another attacking midfielder and to move Lallana on. When we lost Ox, our midfield looked a bit flat footed to me. Of course though, Keita may help resolve that issue. Definitely see your point though mate and thank you for disagreeing with class and presenting a good counter argument to my actual point.

25.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 12:39:33
MK
Yes but Klopp likes Wijnaldum ☺️. We can’t help that mate! I wouldn’t have touched him let alone buy him. Klopp is looking at a replacement for Coutinho and thank heavens he understand it! There are only handful of players that could replicate Phil ( except he doesn’t track back nonsense is what a few have in their hand ) . Fekir is definitely one, the other options are nothing like him. Most of them are glorified versions of Lallana.
Fekir will ease the burden from Keita’a shoulder ( the entire universe is pinning all the hopes on him atm and I little worried )

26.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 13:03:23
I have to agree with mk here, his post was a simple I hope lfc don't drag negotiations on with Lyon for fekir. I have 100% read on this website that Lyon are notorious hard to deal with when English clubs ask about players, it should be a simple case of contacting Lyon asking if fekir is available if so ask a price then agree to pay or not to pay and move on. If agree to pay simply set up the payment amounts and add-ons whatever else goes into transfer and discuss contact with player. If not then don't keep throwing low ball offers at them or tapping up the player and move on.

27.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 14:00:52
got to agree with MK, and Jak, why spend way too much time on a transfer, more so when it looks like it might not happen, move on to someone else, it might work out better anyway, I do think that we will have another big player in by next Friday evening .

28.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 10:47:00
You are confusing me Ed.
"There is nothing wrong with clubs looking to get the best price for their players"
"this is nothing to do with any negotiating of price where they will be difficult"
Surely that is a contradiction? They are either trying to get more money, or the stumbling block has nothing to do with price. It can't be both in my opinion.

I've not said "we are Liverpool", I've not accused Lyon of being in the wrong at all, and I've not suggested this transfer is special. All I've said Is that I don't want Liverpool ending up with nobody because we spent all summer chasing an impossible dream.

I'll just agree to disagree though mate. Nothing wrong with healthy debate and I respect your views as always, but I think you're debating opinions I don't even have!

{Ed002's Note - No they are not contradictory. There is no negotiation on price at the moment - none. There is no stumbling block over price. It is simply there being several club's interested and others may join them. There is no reason something can't be done at the right time for him to join Liverpool.

Clearly your initial statement "this is exactly what Lyon do when dealing with English clubs" is the issue. You don't seem to be keen to explain what that means.}

29.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 14:53:46
You'll have to ask the other Eds what they meant when they said it Ed002. This site is my only source. I apologise for the confusion though.

{Ed001's Note - no mate you are missing the point, you are not reading what Ed002 is saying. How can they be holding out for a bigger price from us when there have been no negotiations over price?}

30.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 15:17:26
Ultimately it's down to Fekir who he joins. If we can agree a price and he wants to come then great. If not we will move onto someone else. Liverpool do not have the right to automatically be chosen above other clubs and given priority. We have to earn the right to be chosen by the likes of Fekir. Klopp is obviously important with this, Ed002 doesn't like his behaviour in terms of how he approaches some players but hopefully now we are doing our business better than the last few years.

31.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 15:20:39
MK, I did read your post (TWICE) and you seem to be saying that if Lyon wanna play hardball we should move on. Whatever they do to English clubs is a moot point and by the way, Bayer Leverkusen do the EXACT same thing. My question is what were you expecting, exactly? That the transfer go thru withing 10 days or a week with no hassles? And so what if Lyon are trying to start a bidding war? Saints did the EXACT same thing with VVD and he rejected them all cos to him, it was LFC or basta and Saints took us to the cleaners.

Also, I'm sure you are aware how Klopp operates with these things and so if Fekir is who he really wants then, so be it and if he can get an alternative, he will as we did with Mo. This is nothing new. If Fekir is not keen to come to us then we move on and if we end up with no one, then so be it. Everyone knows how Klopp operates so if you are scared then I guess, that is your choice cos fear has always been a choice. It's that simple. Take care, my friend.

32.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 16:01:08
That makes sense Ed001. It wasn't clear but reading it back now I can sort of read between the lines and see it now.

Brover, you're simply putting words in my mouth and wasting my time.