14 Sep 2016 12:41:10
I was hoping to get Ed001's opinion if he is around.

i wanted to ask what you made of King Kennys second stint in charge?

the last trophy we won was under Kenny and the last league title. in my opinion depsite an 8th place finish he should have never been sacked. i don't know ho much of it was to do with suarez or if you are willing to comment on that side.

at the time i seem to rember us playing some fantastic football. wasnt comoli responsible for the transfers carroll, adam et al. when i speak to people about this period, they speak as though it was a resounding failure, something i think is wide of the mark. and plus everyone loved seeing him on the touchline again!

its important i say that i am extremely happy we have got Klopp. and think top 4 is nailed on!

a response would be appreciated.

{Ed001's Note - considering what came after, I don't think anyone could say we improved by getting rid of him, at least in the short term. I can understand why FSG made their decision, but I can't see his time as a failure and Kenny deserved better. More to the point, he deserved better from the fans and they did not deserve to have the King in charge. The modern day fan (not all but most) do not appreciate what that man did for us as a fanbase during the dark days of Hillsborough. He won us a trophy in his second stint. He deserved more time. Like I said at the time, he is too good for the modern day fan and that is why I didn't want him to have the job.}

1.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 13:19:45
Hey Ed, hope you are ok. Just re your comments about the fans not deserving Kenny, Do you think he got a lot of stick off the fans? certainly not from anyone around my generation (started watching as a kid when Keegan made his debut) and I wasn't aware of too much stick altogether to be honest.

{Ed001's Note - there was a lot of people calling for him to go. I couldn't understand how anyone could call for Dalglish to go, no matter what. That is one man who deserved to pick his own time to leave, even if he had won nothing. Hell I would not have been able to bring myself to call for his head if he had led us to successive relegations out of the league system! Having said that, there is no way he would have stayed unless he was taking us forward, he loves the club more than anything. He would never have outstayed his welcome.}

2.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 13:46:41
King kenny has been out of the game for too long to make a great job of it in the long run. He was brought in to steady the ship and a longer term solution should have been brought in at the end of that season. He was also hugely let down by the failings of damien comolli and co, which made it impossible for him to succeed the season after, but we will never know how much say he realistically had in it.

He wasnt great but he wasnt terrible, he came in to steady the ship in our darkest our like the legend he is, the people who failed were the club in the transfer market and for asking too much of a man who would never say no to helping us if we needed him.

3.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 13:30:11
I with you ed . Arsenal have that problem now don't there. Wenger deserve to go when he feels right. Under Fsg he's the only one who has won something. I'm 22 years old but I seen and been told by my dad about King kenny and he deserves respect.

{Ed001's Note - he is up there with Shanks and Paisley as genuine legends.}

4.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 13:59:10
Dalglish made a front 3 of Bellamy, Maxi and Kuyt all in their 30's look dangerous! He even got Torres and Meireles firing before they walked out.

I also believe that under him and largely helped by Clarke, we had our best defensive record in the last 7 or 8 years with Johnson, Skrtel, Carragher and Enrique!

The guy was sacked far too soon. I think ultimately he was judged on things out of his control. The Suarez saga which has be blamed primarily on Suarez and then the PR department. But also his transfer business which also is partially Comolli's fault.

Of his transfers Henderson is now captain and Suarez was our best player since Fowler. Bellamy was a very good short term signing as well. Downing, Adam, Coates, Carroll and Enrique let Kenny down unfortunately.

I would have loved Kenny to stay on though. I reckon we'd have won more than Rodgers haul of zero trophies, put it that way.

Hopefully Jurgen will bring us silverware. I'd honestly take a domestic cup/ Europa league win and a top half finish over just finishing in the top 4 every year. Trophies are what excite me. If we don't finish first in the league, I don't care where we come to be quite honest. Fabregas and Van Persie left Arsenal because they realised how embarrassing it is to compete to be the 4th best.

Thankfully, I think Klopp is a rare breed. I get the impression that he just wants to win every game as much as any other and then he'll just see where he ends up from it. The only way to be. Treat every game like a cup final and sure enough, you'll win trophies.

5.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 15:39:19
Couldn't agree more with you MK very well put.

6.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 14:44:50
despite not being old enough to have enjoyed kenny when he was playing or to have seen him manage during his 1st stint. knowing the ehings he has done for this club and its fans and for the families of the 96 i was shocked to hear people were unhappy with him in charge. he also had to deal with torres leaving along with others. suarez was still adjusting. he didn't have control over transfers and still took us to two cup finals and finished 8th. what did we do in Klopps first season very similair? i agree with the modern day fan argument, very short memories and very little patience.

7.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 14:51:03
Spot on ed001, never agreed more with comments posted on this site. We'll said fella👍.

{Ed001's Note - I remember we had similar convos about this at the time Waro. It is so difficult to think about how such a genuine legend was treated by the club and fans he has done so much for. You only have to look at the footage (I am sure there must be some online) of him at every single funeral he could possibly attend of the 96 and see his face get progressively more lined and strained due to it to see that he deserves special treatment. There are very few people that do, in my opinion, not even my favourite ever player (Fowler) does, but Kenny Dalglish deserves it. More than anyone, if you ask me.}

8.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 16:24:00
People forget what Kenny took over from Hodgson and where he got us to that season.
It was a remarkable 20ish games in the league.

{Ed001's Note - correct.}

9.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 17:08:12
I need to caveat this with the fact that if it were my choice I wouldn't have got rid of him but let's not pretend 11/ 12 was something it's not. We had two excellent cup runs but we had our worst league campaign in 50 years. If anyone else was in charge they would have been chased out of Liverpool. It says a lot about Liverpool's love of Kenny that it was even considered he stay on.

10.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 17:34:35
You're right Ed, KK is a true legend and hero for what he did post-Hillsborough, before you even mention what he was like as a player. Couldn't believe the news when I heard he got sacked, and as the ed points out what came after could not be described as an improvement.

{Ed001's Note - a close friend of the family worked at Anfield all her life, May was not in the offices or anything, she worked as a cleaner there for as long as anyone could remember. In fact I remember one piece on TV for a cup final build up showing her knocking over the silverware as she was trying to polish it for the cameras! The Dalglish's not just knew her by name etc, they used to take her to their house regularly for Sunday dinner after her husband died. That was the way Kenny was, he never saw her as just a cleaner, like so many would nowadays, she was as important a part of the Liverpool team as the players to him, even after she retired. That to me is something that says a lot about him, he valued everyone at the club and still does.}

11.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 17:56:35
As a "modern" fan, I didn't want Kenny to leave at the time. It's pretty inescapable that the league results weren't good, but we must've set some sort of modern record for hitting the post and spurning easy chances under Kenny.

We had one completely ridiculous game (I think against WBA) where we peppered their goal with shots for 70 minutes (and they weren't from 20 yards either, they were good chances) somehow failed to score, and then they ran up the other end and scored 2 from 2 shots in quick succession. It didn't happen to that extreme every game, obviously, and we did have a few poor performances, but it happened quite a lot that we'd have far more chances that the opposition and fail to pick up three points.

The quality of the attacking play in terms of movement, passing, tempo and interchange was as good as we've had in 20 years, right up to the point where it came to sticking in the net where we'd contrive to make a hash of it. We easily would've been top 4 with a Torres or a Sturridge in that side. Or an even an Owen.

My solution to that would've been buy a striker who didn't land himself with a 8 match suspension or wasn't a pony-tailed drunkard rather than offloading the manager who'd only had 16 months in charge, but alas.

There were also non-footballing issues of course.

12.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 18:27:34
Yes Ed, Kenny always put the club first, that's why he walked after the derby game, he felt he wasn't functioning properly for the club and made what must have been a hard decision to go, but as I say at the time he felt it had to be done, shame he didn't just have a break with a view to coming back but hey that's all if my auntie had balls stuff now isn't it.
I lost my nephew at Hillsborough, unfortunately his funeral wasnt one Kenny attended but I do remember he did attend a very high number of funerals which must have took a heavy toll, everyone knows how a single funeral can affect you never mind numerous funerals in quick succession.
Nothing but the utmost respect for the man never mind him being my No1 football hero of all time.

{Ed001's Note - that was what most people within the club wanted him to do, but a certain man in charge would not countenance a break for the manager, so that choice was never available to Kenny unfortunately.
Sorry about your nephew mate. It wasn't just attending funerals that he did though, he also organise the players to ensure at least one would be at every single one of the funerals to represent the club. That must have been just as hard on him as well, having to pick and choose which they went to and organise it after what had happened.
I agree with you, he is the ultimate football hero for me too.}

13.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 18:47:59
Kenny is one a dying breed. He lived and breathed the club. Even so far as picking up youngsters like Fowler to drive him to training.

His leaving in 91 started the decline we've never really recovered from.

Had the club let Ronnie Moran and Roy Evans take over for the rest of that season with Kenny coming back after a long break I'm convinced we'd have stayed in front of United for a lot longer.

{Ed001's Note - agreed.}

14.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 18:52:27
To be fair Suarez was a brilliant signing from a financial and tactical POV. Poor attitude from a professional season but his work rate and ability can't be questioned. If we could have kept Torres that winter and showed impetus to build our program a bit better. and then brought in Coutinho and bedded in Sterling it would have been a world class frontline (for a few seasons anyway) . Then again we probably wouldn't have got Sturridge from Chelsea and he was integral in our 2nd place finish a few years ago.

15.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 19:18:31
King kenny is exactly that a King. Total legend as a player manager and most of all man . Not sure if I can post references to other sites but the portrait of an icon piece written about him is a good read . Total legend should be knighted for what he did post hillsborough . Not that he cares a jot for personal accolades.

16.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 20:54:54
I'm guessing it was David Moores who you allude to Ed?

{Ed001's Note - I think so, I remember it as him, but I couldn't be 100% sure he was the man in charge at the time. I didn't want to name him in case it was just before he took over. I was just a kid then, so I am really stretching back in my memory.}

17.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 23:09:16
Wasn't it Noel White who effectively blocked Kenny's plan to take a sabbatical?

18.) 15 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 23:47:02
I'd have kenny back tomorrow.

No ifs or buts simply the best.

Fsg made a bad mistake .
The way they made him fly out to America to get the sack was horrible.

19.) 15 Sep 2016
15 Sep 2016 09:37:38
Whoever it was made a bad shout, Istanbul apart we could have hardly done any worse since. Makes you think how it would have been if Peter Robinson was still at the helm and Kenny did return after a short break, guess we'll never know.