Liverpool Discussion posts 3

28 Apr 2024 10:37:37
Quick question regarding the Naby Keita signing.

Were the club more mindful of whom we were signing after the Naby disaster? And was Klopp giving less of a free rein when it came to choosing players? Did he ever have full control?

It's been suggested Slot won't have much input in new recruits, surely he'll want his own players?

Cheers
Drogie.

{Ed002's Note - Keita was a huge mistake and that was explained at the time. Clubs will always look to how suitable a player is and got it very wrong with Keita. Klopp always had an input but not full control. He pushed through some signings himself, like Karius and Nunez, but others were a joint decision.}

28 Apr 2024 11:25:56
Thanks Ed002.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Drogie.}

28 Apr 2024 19:13:39
Managers have enough on their plate without scouting too. Makes sense for input but not control.

28 Apr 2024 10:35:41
Does anyone else think that Anthony Taylor owes Salah big time for taking the media attention away from his terrible officiating yesterday.

Let me preface this firstly by saying that we didn’t drop points against West Ham because of the official that’s on our players and there performance but that shouldn’t detract from how bad this ref is.

For me the Cody Gakpo situation is a major F -up on his part and the wagons have been circled and some bull story being brought out that he was playing an advantage, this doesn’t stand up to scrutiny because the game footage clearly shows Taylor telling the keeper to play on waving away a free kick, Taylor blows the whistle when Gakpo is approaching and then Taylor tells the keeper to go down and calls on medics? This is straight out of Webbs playbook and I can’t wait for him to gaslight a nation live on Mic’d up with Michael Owen and tell us all that our eyes are lying to us!

Secondly there is the early challenge on MacAllister, now I’m on the fence if I want to see that as a red card offence as I don’t think it was particularly out of control more mistimed and didn’t appear reckless however Taylor was literally feet away and issued no card? This is a challenge being checked for a possible red card and Taylor either didn’t see what was right in front of him or didn’t think it was even a yellow….

{Ed025's Note - come on Dow-ney thats just papering over the cracks mate, we all get bad decisions against us but lets address the elephant in the room, the team is a shambles at the moment and the players and manager dont seem to be on the same page, blaming the referee for dropping points is just burying your head in the sand im afraid..

28 Apr 2024 11:28:24
With the challenge on Mac Allister, I'd be absolutely happy for that not to be a red.

Except Jones was sent off for the same tackle against Spurs. So which is it? Is that a red or not? Lack of consistency again.

28 Apr 2024 11:28:51
He didn't blame the official "Let me preface this firstly by saying that we didn’t drop points against West Ham because of the official that’s on our players and there performance but that shouldn’t detract from how bad this ref is"

{Ed025's Note - i know he threw a disclaimer in there Endo, but why mention it in the first place?..

28 Apr 2024 12:26:46
Def a talking point. Myself and kids sat there unable to work out what was going on and no commentator mentioned it. What’s your take on it ed025?

{Ed025's Note - if you mean the tackle on Macca i though it was a yellow all day WM, if you mean the Salah / Klopp incident then i thought Mo was bang out of order mate, all players should have respect for the manager and if they do have a problem it should be sorted behind closed doors, i personally dont think Mo is that type of person but he let his frustrations boil over and it was not a good look at all mate..

28 Apr 2024 12:41:14
Thanks ed025 agree with you on those. I mean when the ref waved play on when their goalkeepers foot hit the post from catching a corner, their goalkeeper rolled the ball out, Gakpo was about to score and the ref blew up and told the goalkeeper to go down. He wasn’t even injured.

{Ed025's Note - nothing surprises me any more with referees in this league WM, the standard is very poor mate..

28 Apr 2024 13:39:39
That is the same referee that the FA call England's very best and will go to Euro this year Ed25. If that is what they call their very best, than the bar is so low you can't even see it anymore.

{Ed025's Note - the standard is very low mfahmee and getting lower by the game mate imo..

28 Apr 2024 17:52:16
In terms of refereeing incompetence, we have an extremely competitive field in this country.

28 Apr 2024 09:47:21
Morning all,

Eds or anyone actually, The Times on BBC transfer rumours states Slot will be a Head Coach rather than our Manager.

I’m not asking if true, and everyone excuse my ignorance on this, but what are the differences between being a Manager and Head Coach please.

Many thanks.

{Ed002's Note - That was the main reason that Amorim and the club failed to agree. The coach has limited powers and will not be as involved in the transfer decisions.}

28 Apr 2024 11:02:59
More or less it means that slot will have an imput into the signings, like hunter+fallows, but the final say will be hughes? Would that be right ed2?

{Ed002's Note - Hughes will not veto anything the others agree on.}

28 Apr 2024 12:32:44
Thank you Ed002 for clearing that up, much appreciated ??.

28 Apr 2024 17:54:44
I’m not sure a collaborative approach is a bad thing. That’s the process that led us to sign Mane and Salah over Brandt and Gotze.

28 Apr 2024 10:02:46
I stand in awe of ed002 and his knowledge.
Liverpool fans, pundits, media, the pope and god all said Alonso would be the next liverpool manager. Everyone except the Oracle of this site who very early mentioned Arne Slot. Me in my infinite wisdom thought I knew better, never again will I doubt ed002.

28 Apr 2024 08:52:04
For a bit of fun I looked at the xg for and against for the entire season to see how many points we should have by now. I know statistics can be misleading and with world class goalie and world class strikers ? we should do slightly better than the xg. 80 points should be still right in the mix?.

28 Apr 2024 07:18:29
Banter: Mo Salah vs Klopp, what you guys think and whose side you on? I am on Kloop's side. Salah not been playing well.

28 Apr 2024 08:38:53
Klopp should have sent Salah back to his seat. Weather Salah has been playing good or bad doesn’t matter it’s all about respect. Am sure it’s not the first time this has happened but to do it before going on and in front of millions of people is just wrong it need to be done behind closed doors.

28 Apr 2024 08:54:02
Klopp has gone from pushing a peer mid game to arguing in public with our most high profile player. Clearly the emotive nature of failing to hit his targets and the realisation that it will all be over forevermore in a matter of days has got to him.
That said and in the context of a workplace per se you don't square up to your boss.
Anyway will all be irrelevant come the start of the new season as neither will be in situ. Sadly or otherwise.

28 Apr 2024 09:18:18
Think this is second time this season slight dispute between the two (was it earlier in the season when he was subbed early when chasing? ), on face of it tbh bit more being made than it is maybe? can side with both, salah’s form has been woeful (see how badly he played the ball behind nunez to break a decent chance) and we have played woeful for a large part of the season from what looks like tactical decisions.

Think calling Salah a primadonna is unfair - has consistently worked hard for the team and tracked back (doesn’t just goal poach or stroll around like a certain winger from the NW) . Chalk it up to frustration and hyper-competitiveness, imagine vast majority of athletes / managers / coaches who reach level they have are probably fairly combustible. Klopp deserves his legend status, but like with salah isn’t without criticism especially this season.

Not advocating throwing the baby out with the bath water - but maybe a sign in might be time for a new chapter for LFC without both?

Slightly venture off course, but did make me think shows how incredible what CR7 has managed to do for so long. Slightly contradictory as was a poacher - but from early twenties to mid 30s his stats hardly dipped, plus numerous occasions when needed produced miracles (hat trick for juv in second leg to take out A Madrid or hat trick against Spain at WC) . Added to that 16 years of double figures in leagues in Europe.

28 Apr 2024 09:19:04
TSM, this spat would have been brewing for some time. I can imagine what klopp protrays in front of media as fatherly fair figure and what he is in front of players especially when player interestbis in concern, can be very fustrating for players. There has to be outlet for players to vent their frustration, like 360 deg feedback.

But yes, Salah probably know next season he is gone and there is no repercussion with klopp and Liverpool.

But it indicates lack of channel for players to express frustration.

28 Apr 2024 10:42:26
How can we take aside without having a clue what happened? I’ll offer a take with and without speculation.

1-just based on what we saw, Mo is in the wrong. You leave that for in private

2-speculating - I think Mo has been upset all day. Whatever Klopp said to him has tipped him over the edge. Unless Klopp has said something insulting to Mo about him, his family or his dog, then there is no reason for that reaction other than Mo’s feelings. So again, he is in the wrong.

Finally, happy for Mo to go. I was a minor voice on here calling for him to be sold over extending his contract. Legend player for the club but have always wanted more in the game from him as our “star” player.

28 Apr 2024 10:48:33
Maybe it would of been ok if Salah actually came on and did something but it was the same Salah performance you come to expect these days - he just looks like he has no confidence to even try and beat a man - think Dom come on yesterday and beat like 2/ 3 West Ham players on the right edge of the box, don’t get me wrong nothing came about it but at least he backed himself to beat someone. I keep saying it hopefully now we are out of the title conversation we start playing nicer football, the players going probably know who they are so play the boys who are staying. Or even a F it mentally and go out how you came in with heavy metal first 20 minutes just all over teams if the older midfield could do it up until the last season I’m sure the younger midfield and front line can! Just want to be able to smile watching LFC again and not get angry with what seems a lack of want!

28 Apr 2024 12:32:34
Will be very interesting to see if he is picked again this season. I don’t think Klopp will hold a grudge but I don’t think Salah deserves to be in the starting 11 and he obviously can’t take being a sub so maybe that’s his last ever appearance for LFC. Bit if a shame if that’s the case.

{Ed025's Note - hopefully it will get sorted WM, in private i suspect with a groveling apology from Mo i would think mate..

28 Apr 2024 05:56:29
I am reading that Slot likes to play inverted fullbacks. Please god no. someone tell me I've got this wrong.
Alongside the bore off style of play a lack of offensive width has been our biggest issue.

28 Apr 2024 10:10:05
He has a tactical philosophy very similar to his good friend pep. Linders.

28 Apr 2024 10:28:40
No he doesn't.

28 Apr 2024 10:43:25
Westwood - Width wouldn’t be an issue if our wingers played wide and could dribble. Well Diaz can, the fullah on the other side however ?.

28 Apr 2024 16:26:40
As long as Trent never plays at right back again unless covering for injuries I am fine. Bradley should be first choice right back and Trent should play centre midfield.