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22 Aug 2017 16:01:04
Looks like Barcelona are plumbing the depths. SSN reporting that they are sueing Neymar for breach of contract. Yet they are trying to influence Coutinho to breach the contract he only just signed.

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22 Aug 2017 14:27:49
With Southampton wrapping up the deal for Wesley Hoedt according to Lazio's Sporting Director, who also stated that Pellegrino has guaranteed him first team football. Should this be considered a boost for our move for VVD or are they just upgrading Yoshida?

Also any more news on the following players leaving weather on loan or sold:

Bogdan
Flanno
Sakho
Moreno
Markovic
Brannagan

Cheers Eds!

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22 Aug 2017 20:51:51
Don't really want Moreno sold. He seems to have really upped his game and should be a good 2nd choice left back.

22 Aug 2017 14:25:20
Former Liverpool captain Ronnie Whelan has criticised the transfer business done by the club this summer
Whelan says: "Set against the business Manchester United and Manchester City have done, Liverpool and Jurgen Klopp look like amateurs.

"Worse, Ronald Koeman and Everton have been spending like they’ve found a money tree.

"He [Klopp] has some gaping holes in his squad and by the looks of things, no more money to spend unless they take Barcelona’s offer for Philippe Coutinho. ".

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22 Aug 2017 15:23:23
and your point is?

22 Aug 2017 14:56:45
Ronnie Whelan was a great player.

But he is clearly talking out his backside. We have had massive offers rejected for at least 2 players so there is plenty of money around.

He seems about as on the ball as a dead seal.

22 Aug 2017 16:11:25
Clearly the money is there or the offers for Keita wouldn't have been made or the approach for van Dijk. The problem is lack of quality alternatives.

22 Aug 2017 16:58:41
Waqas and what exactly was your point?

22 Aug 2017 17:52:19
Jayden you're so touchy when people disagree with your comment. Relax!

In fairness, I agree that your OP offered little - what point were you trying to make? I'm not so sure that city's business looks so great. They've spent a shed load therefore they've done better than us? Kyle walker, Danilo are both outrageously average and they really didn't need Bernardo silva when already have sterling, sane, de Bruyne. Gk remains to be seen.

22 Aug 2017 18:11:58
@Jayden, trying to understand what you are getting at. Ronnie Wheelan albeit a good player, as Redawn pointed out "is talking out of his rear end" on this matter. If you are scouting websites for posts that suit what you think, that's exactly what you are going to find. Finding something and understanding that is not in your comfort zone takes a bit of doing.

Having the highest net spend certainly didn't win it for City last year, or the year before. Finding players that suit you even if you are buying them for minimal amounts is better, I'd take Robertson's debut over a walker red card any day. We are three games into the season, with 2 wins and a draw, with a very good chance of making it to the champions league group stage (after facing a tough qualifying round opposition) the results are not half as bad as you lot are making them out to be. The performances need fine tuning I am sure we will sign a player or two to plug in the gaps and have a solid squad for the season to come.

Did ED01 do a match review for the Palace game?

22 Aug 2017 18:26:59
Waqas I've just checked my op again and I cannot see where I have said I agree with the comments. I have literally just shared what he has said to fellow LFC fans. Think you're jumping the gun a little throwing accusations and assumptions of what is in my comfort zone. Can you also point out in my comment where I have mentioned the results are bad as you are also making out. I'm glad you think highly enough of your own opinion that you can comment that a former professional of the sport is talking out of his rear end. I'm sure Ronnie would think highly of your qualified opinion.

22 Aug 2017 18:40:51
Sorry my bad, this is not an argument I wanna get into.

22 Aug 2017 18:57:04
No worries. I wasn't trying to get into an argument. Was just a bit of footie debate in my eyes. YNWA.

22 Aug 2017 12:55:08
Liverpool will not sign anyone or sell anyone because Edward's hasn't got a clue. Put a boy into a Man's job you get schools results.

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22 Aug 2017 13:18:34
Some schools come out with excellent results.

22 Aug 2017 13:28:30
Unfortunately we would be a failing comprehensive if that were the case.

22 Aug 2017 07:38:04
Hi eds. can you shed some light on why we haven't put an official bid in for vvd yet? It's claimed we was close to a deal for £50m yet we then got accused of tapped my up, we publicly apologised and withdrew interest. The premier League cleared us of any wrong doing. The player has put in a transfer request yet we still haven't put a bid in, why is this? Do you think we will put a bid in before it's too late?

{Ed001's Note - because FSG were forced to publicly withdraw interest on behalf of the club to avoid getting into trouble.}

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22 Aug 2017 10:30:38
It is dead in the water as soon as the apology was made.

22 Aug 2017 10:53:31
Once again Southampton say vvd won't be sold in this window (they won't sell to us anyway) so that puts that to bed.

22 Aug 2017 07:22:53
How the heck are PSG potentially getting away with spending over £400 million in this window?

Surely, even with sponsorship funds and the little extras they get, FFP cannot ignore them. Wages on top of this figure too!

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22 Aug 2017 09:43:10
Not LFC related but in reply this this post. Reports today are saying PSG are looking to take him initially onloan with them then paying the transfer fee next summer. Lucas Moara will go to Monaco as part of the deal.

22 Aug 2017 00:31:10
This is a message for Philip Coutinho. Philip if you read this site then please understand that the majority of fans appreciate your dream to play for Barcelona. For many reasons this hasn't happened but we still love you and want you back playing for our club. We have a great chance with you back in the team. Come back and play.
This is a come back and play campaign for Philip!
Come on you reds fans!

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22 Aug 2017 01:09:20
He needs to apologize first. Hanging Klopp out to dry to force a move to a club dirty as Barcelona demands a bare minimum of a heartfelt apology. And maybe he can donate the wages he was being paid while out with "the back problem" for a good cause.

22 Aug 2017 01:46:32
Haha!

22 Aug 2017 13:33:55
I'm afraid I ain't with you CJ Farmer-

1/ The absolute lies about his supposed poor treatment and his unhappiness with Klopp.

2/ The timing of transfer request hours before 1st game.

3/ Despite 150K p/ week The REFUSAL TO PLAY vital qualifiers and a game when we drop points to Watford. No doubt he will turn out for Brazil next week.

4/ All of the above done solely to make his employers position weaker and get maximum value at for a club who don't pay his wages and refuse to even offer a fraction of the up-front sum that might be acceptable.

He's not much better than Diego Costa in my eyes. He could have gone about it a lot differently.

When he finally decides to get on the pitch for us he will be playing only for the Brazil and Barcelona scouts and we'll have to do this whole dance again in 4 months.

I'd sell him for €80 mill straight up. Its not like losing Suarez, its not even like losing Alonso. I'd trust Klopp to find a better player with the money.

22 Aug 2017 16:15:20
I wouldn't sell for £80m as we'd be selling ourselves short. If Coutinho is prepared to apologise to Klopp and his team mates then that's fine, we move on. It's hardly as if he flew back to Brazil and said he wasn't coming back. Selling for £80m is under selling and giving Barcelona another player on the cheap.

21 Aug 2017 20:14:21
Some Brazilian paper called estadao reporting Phil only said he wants out because Barcelona forced him to, only said he never wants to play again for lfc because he was forced to by his agents

Looks like the PR campaign has officially started and his move is dead, he can still do one as far as I'm concerned.

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21 Aug 2017 20:57:38
Can he still do one if he dribbles his way through Jose's bus when it's parked at Anfield?

21 Aug 2017 22:46:49
Quite happy to believe what he's saying.
You think Barcelona and his agents wouldn't do why he's suggesting.

I'd love him to sack his agent. 👍.

22 Aug 2017 09:22:56
Eds is there in truth in the above regarding Coutinho's supposed comments? Cheers.

21 Aug 2017 13:39:55

Lovren or klavan?



(Leaving transfer talk to one side. )



For me Lovren appears to have the wobbles at the minute. Confidence appears low. Klav seems the better option out of the 2.

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21 Aug 2017 13:44:19

I'd put Gomez ahead of the 2 of them and he's hardly played there for us. In this case I'd rather go with the devil I don't know.

21 Aug 2017 13:47:09

Klavan lacks pace but a a better defender than reckless Lovren. Lovren makes 2 mistakes every game! One he gets away with it the other he takes a card or cost a goal! Klavan is playing for a wrong team! High line with Klavan or Lovren is a comical. Both doesn't fit in with liverpool playing style!

Klavan is a decent 4ty choice CB for the money he earns and what he brings. Lovren should continue his career at Southampton!

21 Aug 2017 13:53:44

Gomez ahead of Lovren and Klavan? lol.

21 Aug 2017 13:52:27

Neither.

21 Aug 2017 14:07:08

Why "lol"? Gomez has to be given his chance at some point, just like Carra was given. He's not going to develop out of nowhere, he needs regular game time.

21 Aug 2017 14:07:54

Klopp brought in Klavan so he obviously rates him and it's his high line tactic so he also believes he can play it.

Haven't seen it myself to be honest. All three CBs are poor and we have no idea about Gomez as he's barely kicked a ball for us.

If he starts with the untested Gomez it shows how poor two of the others really are when a kid, out for a year injured, who's barely kicked a ball for first team since gets on the field before them.

21 Aug 2017 14:12:19

Gomez is seen as full back cover imo.

21 Aug 2017 14:13:33

Mcgoveb



Klopp bought Klavan to play a handful of games a calendar year. 10 starts at best and most for cup completions. But we are in a situation where he starts more than Lovren!

You simply cannot play high line with slow centerbacks! No ways!

21 Aug 2017 14:15:22

Mcgoveb, Klopp also handed Lovren a 100,000 pounds a week contract. You can hardly say he prefers Klavan for that matter.

21 Aug 2017 15:23:15

The same people wanting Gomez to be given the opportunity are the same ones that will put him down if he doesn't set the world on fire after 2 games. If he's given a chance he needs at least 10 consecutive games to bed in. Otherwise it's just another pointless exercise.

{Ed001's Note - that's not true, I want Gomez to be given an opportunity! I would give him a full season at the very least personally.}

21 Aug 2017 15:42:26

Sorry Ed, probably a bit of a broad statement. I guess my point being I don't want people knocking him down after 2 games. It's takes a while to get match ready and given his injuries 10 games isn't probably long enough!

{Ed001's Note - I do agree with you mate.}

21 Aug 2017 15:47:47

ED01



is the thinking behind the interest in The Ox to play him as a right wing back (with TAA pushing for the position) and subsequently moving Joe Gomez into the CB position, if we don't bring in another CB in this window?



Regards.

{Ed001's Note - Gomez is cover for centre back anyway, with TAA fighting with Clyne for right back. Ox is for midfield and cover for the wide forward positions.}

21 Aug 2017 17:13:30

Gomez all the way, but with the supporters we have, he makes a couple of mistakes and he is hounded out the team like karius and his confidence knocked into last week.

21 Aug 2017 17:49:11

Just wait till TAA starts to make mistakes and the knives will be out for him too.

21 Aug 2017 19:01:18
Unlike you do with Milner Bingored.

21 Aug 2017 19:01:34
I don't know, maybe take out Lovren first.

21 Aug 2017 19:15:20
Harry/ Indian, sorry my point was a bit tongue in cheek, Klavan was bought even though we play a high line and he's ridiculously slow. Surely a faster 4th choice was a better option.
Klavan replacing a Lovren or Matip is just rotating three poor centre backs and praying they will become a top defensive duo. Never going to happen in my opinion. We are two top CB's away from challenging for the PL. I'd have Gomez and Matip as third and fourth choice.
Chances are (hopefully) we'll buy one this window and pair him with Matip and Lovren . Gomez getting cup matches. Think he's been out too long to throw back in straight away, they're protecting Ings so probably Gomez too.

{Ed001's Note - bit different comparing Ings to Gomez. Gomez has been back a year from the injury and had a full season of reserve footie. Ings has literally just come back and had one match. Gomez now needs to play his way back to full confidence by getting first team football.}

21 Aug 2017 20:25:34
Ed01 I understand that but Ings is older and a more seasoned campaigner with plenty of experience. I think we need to be very careful throwing another young player in straight away. Karius was vilified by fans and media and that withdrawal must have been a huge kicking for his confidence. Wouldn't like to see another player getting the same treatment. If he shows his worth in Cups and training and the other three are having their usual brain farts then that's when to bring him in but he'll have poor support from any of the current 3 and I think that's a huge chance to take. Different if he's partnering a top CB then he can be talked to on the pitch but the current three don't have that in their arsenal's. Just my opinion though mate. Thanks for the reply always appreciated.

{Ed001's Note - I understand what you are saying, but it is about time managers stopped taking any notice of the idiot fans and pundits. Letting a player work through the bad spells can make them mentally stronger.}

21 Aug 2017 20:38:10
Agreed, maybe too much mollycoddling going on in the game ok, baptism of fire and all that lol.

{Ed001's Note - I think so anyway. Get them off social media and concentrating on their game, while making sure they do more charity work to remind them how lucky they are and they will not be so bothered about a bit of being booed. They have everything far too easy these days.}

21 Aug 2017 12:23:39

Hey everyone, hope you all had a good weekend. I'd like to ask ed001 your opinion on Gerard houllier and his time at the club. Always seemed like a very gracious and talented man but it all went a bit pear shaped in the end. Always fascinating to read your insight as well as the other editors and posters on the site. Thank you for this site and all the hard work that goes into it.

{Ed001's Note - he was far from gracious, ask Thommo about how much credit he was given from Ged for covering while he was in hozzie! He hired crap coaches and every player went backwards under him. He was far too hands on and never let anyone have any freedom. Far too defensive and his obsession with appeasing the poison dwarf led to him forcing the far more talented Fowler out of the club.}

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21 Aug 2017 13:40:10

All in all then Ed your a big fan.

{Ed001's Note - actually quite like him as a bloke, big Liverpool fan but he was a terrible manager and it was a huge mistake by Moores to dick over Evans by bringing him in. Evans deserved far more respect than that prick Moores showed him.}

21 Aug 2017 14:01:03

In fairness Ed, he was more successful than Evans. He did the treble after all!

{Ed001's Note - he had a lot more backing than Evans did, so that is not fairness. If Evans had been allowed to buy the defenders he wanted, instead of the snide tit Moores telling him there was no money and then, in the next breath, tell him that he had bought the scummy prick Collywobbles though, Evans would have won things.}

21 Aug 2017 14:08:55

Fair enough, can't argue with that. Houlier never seemed the same manager after his illness. Made some terrible decisions.

21 Aug 2017 14:18:01

Thank you for the reply ed. I was a bit young during his reign so my opinion of him is probably based more on his comments since leaving the club and his cup successes. It is strange and a shame that he wasn't able to get the best out of a bunch of very talented players. Fowler, Berger and litmanen come to mind but I'm sure there were plenty more who could have contributed more if utilised correctly.

On his appointment, it was absolutely bizzare and massively disrespectful to Roy Evans to make him co-manager. Should have either stuck with him or let him go, not undermine him in that manner.

{Ed001's Note - you also have to remember his treatment of Anelka, Nicky was a lovely lad but made the mistake of asking questions about tactics. Houllier hated anyone having an opinion of their own. He only wanted yes men. So, despite a deal having been agreed to sign Anelka on a permanent deal (and he was not going to be on a big wage either), Houllier sent him packing.



His treatment of Litmanen was essentially the same, froze him out because Jari had the temerity to question his tactics of 10 behind the ball.}

21 Aug 2017 14:56:59

I didn't know that about Anelka or litmanen. Thanks for the response Ed. Informative as always. We could have had one heck of a side back then with the proper management and investment.

{Ed001's Note - welcome mate. It is a shame as Houllier is a genuine fan and a genuinely nice guy away from management.}

21 Aug 2017 15:05:12

C'mon where do you get an insight like this if your a true fan of lfc this site and the eds are priceless.

{Ed001's Note - thank you mate.}

21 Aug 2017 15:27:51

Litmanen was one of my favourite ever players and Houillers treatment of him was criminal.

{Ed001's Note - I can remember us all screaming at Houllier to bring him on but he would just not bother or bring him on for 5 seconds at the end, just to prove a point that he was the boss. When you get a player of that much quality, you play him.}

 


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